All right, this is the new Pokemon gimmick for Gen VII.
Pokemon now ventures into the waters of more traditional JRPGs and now has different versions of the same creature.
They aren't new Pokemon, but simply pallet-swaps with a new typing and slightly modified moveset. For example, Ice-typed Charizard's level-up moves might be something like:
>- Scratch
>- Air Slash
>- Freeze Dry
>- Growl
>- Blizzard
>- Powder Snow
>- Dragon Claw
>- Haze
>- Dragon Claw
>7 Powder Snow
>10 Haze
>17 Dragon Rage
>21 Scary Face
>28 Ice Fang
>32 Icy Wind
>36 Wing Attack
>41 Slash
>47 Ice Beam
>56 Frost Breath
>62 Ice Punch
>71 Blizzard
>77 Sheer Cold
And there wouldn't be a limit necessarily to the amount of alt's any given Pokemon could have, some may have no alt's, but I think it would simply add a fun spin to the game, like if you needed an Ice-type, but your favorite Pokemon is Charizard, well here you go. A perfect addition to your team, or whatever.
Thoughts? What does /v/ think? /vp/ is too bogged down with starter leak cancer right now to have any actual discussion >>>/vp/26105590
mates...
>>335881286
That'd be hella crazy and would completely fuck up Smogon as we know it.
SoundsFUCKING AWESOME
>>335883272
Yeah, fuck it. The meta would be interesting as fuck, wouldn't it? Fuck smogon. Let it all hang out.
>>335883272
bump?
Sounds kinda retarded I gotta say
Why does it have dragon claw twice in its level 1 set?
I just want more variety in pokemon color. A type change would be crazy.
Also its pretty much confirmed there will be new pokemon.
>Let's make the Pokemon literally Digimon
yeah, how about we don't
>>335883567
But Digimon is good
>>335883619
You're confusing "has good waifus" with "has good gameplay".
>>335881286
>inb4 Mega Rayquaza gets buffed
>>335883506
>>335883567
name downsides
protip:(You)
>>335881286
What, you mean keep the stat distributions, but change the typing and moveset? Sounds like a clusterfuck. That's like, what, 600+ Pokemon and 10+ types, so over 6000+ combos
>>335883706
No, a Pokemon might only have 1 alternate, or none, or a few. Charizard may only have an Ice alternate. Hopefully all mon wouldn't be arbitrarily given dozens of alternate typings, that would be really cancerous.
But the pallet swaps would be fresh as fuck.
Most retarded thing I've read on /v/ this month.
>>335883510
Whoops, I think one of those should be Shadow Claw I think.
>>335883824
Seems completely within the realm of something fun and reasonable that could possibly happen.
>>335884025
No.
>you caught a fire ponyta!
>pokédex entry talks about its fire mane
>you caught an ice ponyta!
>...
What would be the point of this anyway?
I think alternate types would be retarded because Pokemon essentially are dictated by their typing already, so you'd basically just be making a new Pokemon with the same skin which seems completely unnecessary and honestly lazy.
I'd actually be all for alternate color palettes found in the wild though, like 2-6 variations per poke. Would actually give more incentive to collect and would give players the ability to customize teams even further.
>>335883817
Feels kind of arbitrary. I mean, forms and mega evos accomplish similar things to what you're suggesting. Maybe if it was suuuper sparing, and in a way that made sense
Like, you wouldn't find an Ice Charizard cause that goes against it's theme, but you could bump into a crystal Onix or some shit
>>335883817
I'd be fine with it if they had some different ability options where appropriate
Like fire omastar getting flame body instead of swift swim and so on
>>335883817
What would be the point? A Charizard with just ice moves and no fire moves is essentially a new Pokemon. Why not just make a new Pokemon? I would rather have 100 new ones instead of 400-600 alternates of existing ones.
>>335884278
Me too I guess, but
>why not both?
I want something like Inazuma Eleven's Miximax, where you can take one character's "essence" and use it to give another character a stat boost and carry over one move or skill, with a visual change of swapped palettes. Certain combos would completely change how the character looks into a more proper fusion and offer moves or skills neither could normally get.
>>335884459
That sounds like a total fucking overhaul of what Pokemon is desu.
>>335884329
Because considering the minute amount of new content GF inserts into new generations as it stands now, wanting both would be going from a pipe dream to something nigh impossible.
Also creating alternate typings of existing Pokemon would just be withdrawing potential territory for new Pokemon ideas. Outside of Kyruem we don't have an "ice dragon" but making an ice Charizard would be basically taking that idea off the table anyways.
>>335884505
Not really. Basically fusions.
>>335884194
>>335884168
It seems like they experimented with the idea of cosmetic variations a bit in XY with furfrou and the floette line
Technically they did it earlier with deerling but that might have just been a tie in with the seasons
But it's GF we're talking about so never ever
>>335884782
Yeah, I don't even know why I made this thread.
>>335884782
Well even before that we've had Spinda. Gen6 also had regional Vivillions.
It would be neat if every Pokemon had 2-6 color variations, some regions being more inclined to have certain ones in the wild or even exclusive to promote trading.
>>335884884
Don't feel bad, the series has so much lost potential the ability to live vicariously through our fanciful ideas is cathartic if anything.
>>335884782
Back in the GSC days they said something they wanted to do in the future was lots of little differences with Pokemon once handhelds had the tech, with visible differences in size and a large variety of shades of their color. So you and your friend both have a Pikachu, and one's more of a saffron yellow and the other's more of a dandelion, one's a little taller, one's a little more stout.
Of course, none of that's come to fruition.
>>335881286
What's with these Pokémon tm threads? Don't you have containment board?
>>335884969
If we go even further back, there were the color variations in stadium, which were apparently a result of how you nicknamed them
I always wondered about that as a kid
>>335885113
The board has been leaking recently.
>>335881286
step 1
>invert type with its weakness
step 2
>charizard would become water/ice, with every other pokemon follwoing suit
i think it'd be reallyFUN
>>335885113
They've become so inundated with shitty fake leaks that they'll spill over to try and find discussion elsewhere
Some of the especially cancerous /vg/ threads have the same problem
>>335885023
There's the Spindas mentioned above, and I think there was a special Pichu with a notched-ear in one of the later games. But this was when they were still sprite-based
3d-modelling the differences sounds like a bitch
This is fucking stupid.
>>335885336
I don't know how anything works, but I imagine it would actually be easier to make it work in 3D. Since with sprites you'd have to put a lot more effort in to not make it just look like a poor rescale.
>>335885336
I don't know what the hell they were thinking with spiky eared pichu
From what I remember it could only be obtained through an event, couldn't evolve, couldn't leave the copy of HGSS it was found in, couldn't be bred since it was stuck as a baby, and had no other redeeming qualities beyond being a living collectible
Wait aren't the "leaks" just people shit posting on /vp/ anyways?
>>335885701
Yeah.
>>335885694
>TFW I still have the spiky-eared Pichu
I'm never starting a new game on that cartridge.
>>335881286
More like
>More mega evolutions
>Less gyms
>More gimmicky side shit
>Less legendaries
Watch, there will be 3 new legendaries and that'll be it, full retail price please.
>>335883702
Would detract from the identity of some pokemon, and it would also only be limited to a few hand selected ones, like the Mega evolutions, and I hate that.
If they add something like this, it should be for every pokemon, not only for token legendaries, starters, two dozen random pokemon and lucario. But that is almost guaranteed to be what would happen.
>>335885896
Why would you want more legendaries? There's too many legendaries as it is. Less is good.
>>335883553
>New pokemon game in a new gen that isn't a remake
>New pokemon confirmed
Not too much of a stretch really
>>335885896
>gimmicky side shit a bad thing
The only praise people ever seem to give individual games is for gimmicky side shit.
>>335884168
>Opponent is about to send out Charizard
>Game informs the opponent of this
>Better send out a water type
>Oh but he bluffed me, it's actually an ice charizard
And of course the flip side of things
>It might be an ice charizard, better send out a fire type to deal with things
>Lol jk it's a regular charizard
The metagame would change completely.
>>335886407
"Oh no a charizard"
>still stealth rocked to death.
>>335886407
It would change to complete shit honestly. The meta relies on having the players rely on some amount of predictability and counter picking. Giving every Pokemon even 1 alternate is effectively doubling the roster.
Not like the meta is super well balanced as is, it would be a mess in this case.
>>335886543
You'd still have that, it'd just be more poker styled bluffing than straight up guessing. Intelligent guessing is honestly boring to watch, it'd be much more entertaining to see players trick their opponents into misplaying.
>>335886407
>Shift battle style in multiplayer
>>335881286
Being 100% chill right now; this doesn't sound like pokemon at all. This might work as a rom hack, but for me at least, pokemon is about putting in the time to know exactly what each PokEmon is capable of so that when you go to compete, you can be confident that you have made the right team choices.
This sounds best implemented as a multiplayer enabled rom-hack, not as a main-line pokemon title. Not that I wouldn't play it, but that I think it strays too much from what pokemon is about thematically.
>>335886407
I can't remember the last time I left the battle style on shift
>>335886906
It's always on Shift when I'm grinding.
The only feature Pokemon needs is the ability to marry your Pokemon.
>>335887043
This tbqh family
>>335887043
Hey man, don't forget the ability to go on a honeymoon with your pokemon.
>>335887458
And the ability to impregnate them ortake it in the butt.
>people saying this is a shit idea
>CTRL+F "Delta"
>no results
What the fuck? Nobody knows this has been a thing for quite a while now?
>>335883669
Cyber Sleuth is better than the majority of Pokemon games. This coming from someone who has been playing Pokemon since '98 and never touched (or watched) anything Digimon before Cyber Sleuth.
>>335887545
No one cares about the tcg
Why the fuck did you make this thread here, if you've already made one in /vp/?
Faggot.
>>335887710
Is says why in the OP, you fucking dimwit.
>>335887590
This.
>>335887812
No that isn't a fucking reason dipshit. In that thread, there is not one single mention of anything related to 'leaks' at all. There is actual discussion in that thread. And it's not bogged down at all. This thread had the same amount of replies that the one in /vp/ has.
There was literally no point in making the same thread twice, unless you are a loner faggot who has no friends and thinks his 'unique' idea is something worth discussing.
Faggot.
>>335881286
I think your obvious love for palette swaps is blinding you.
First of all, what's the point?
Why not just make another pokémon?
Also, since you're apparently struggling to find a single downside, here's a couple.
Pokémons are not necessarily color coded in relation to their type.
This system would change that, but make it confusing as to what type are the original versions.
Is Luxray Dark/Water?
This matters because the meta revolves around being able to know what type you're against and what you should do accordingly to that.
With that system, we'd need to have color coded Deltas, which would look really tacky, or more subtle and natural looking - but more ambiguous - palettes, thus forcing you to learn every single one for each pokémon.
Thematically, the pokémons are designed around their types.
Consequently, very few pokémon would look good with another type, especially in the case of single-typed pokémons.
It'd also be a slippery slope as it'd encourage the future designs to be more polyvalent and bland.
Last one before I go, think about the breeding shenanigans that would ensue.
Unless you forbid deltas from breeding which would make no sense, this would completely fuck up the move pool as everyone could learn a shitload of new egg moves directly or indirectly.
All in all, it would take a LOT of work to design decent and thoughtful Deltas, then balance them so they don't completely fuck up the game, just for the sake of variety.
Meanwhile, they could just make new Pokémons and achieve just that.
>>335888497
You're making sense.I do really just love pallet-swaps.
>>335887590
>Cyber Sleuth
great taste
