So, final thoughts?
Just like all of Nintendo's efforts recently, mediocre and not worth it. Subtract 2/10 points from every Nintendo game from now on and you'll see how the game actually rates.
>The SNES Puppets actually looked mean and vicious, foreshadowing the dark sci fi nature of the game
>0's Puppets are fucking Muppets.
>>335757164
Never played it but didnt look fun and is just worth a small meme chuckle
A damn good SHMUP.
Needed twice as many levels, but whats there is still pretty damn good.
>>335758080
Basically this, how the fuck they put in such few levels is beyond me. There better be some fucking dlc or something, there needs to be more.
>>335758326
I am surprised they didn't use the Amiibo to unblock secret levels.
It would be awesome using a Falco Amiibo to unlock like 5 Falco levels or something, it would also give a reason to make a Peppy and Slippy Amiibo
>Jim Sterling's fat hands cant grasp the controls
>Blames the game instead of his titanic girth.
>>335758794
>giving Jim Sterling any clicks
>>335758520
It would have been cool to have Amiibo skins for the arwing. IE using a Samus Amiibo would give you a Samus colored Arwing.
It came out a week ago.
>>335757164
I wanted Star Fox 64-2. I got Star Fox 64-2 with a co-op mode. I'm satisfied.
>>335759000
I would totally dig that, and as it is the Fox and Falco Amiibo are kind of useless, because if you beat the challenges you unlock the abilities without having to use the Amiibo at all. Granted they are still nice Amiibo but I was a little disappointing that they didn't do something unique like unlock levels or skins or something that is exclusive
>>335757164
Pretty great game. Delivered the sequel we needed and wanted.
>>335758520
I'd rather they didn't look levels behind amiibos, I'm ok with the amiibo bonuses they have now (Since I already had the Falco amiibo anyway).
This game is so close yet so far to what I wanted and more. The controls make this game amazing and the witty banter and branching paths are back (kinda), it just has an overwhelming lack of content. The levels feel like they go by way to quickly and there are few of them. YOU HEAR THAT NINTENDO I ACTUALLY WANT FUCKING DLC I WILL PAY YOU FOR MORE/LONGER LEVELS ITS ALL I FUCKING NEED
>>335759406
Even though it was more or less a remake.
>>335759467
Aside from the story and setting most of the levels play pretty differently, I wouldn't call it a remake
>>335758520
>Base game is incredibly short
>You know what would have been cool? If they locked large chunks of this small game behind physical DLC happy meals toys?
>Wouldn't that have been great?
Jesus christ.
Close, but no cigar.
>>335759251
theb you would be complaining because there's too much content locked on premium DLC plastic figurines.
>>335759000
Miyamoto mentioned something like that before the Retro and Black Arwing were revealed. Here's the article:
http://kotaku.com/shigeru-miyamoto-has-good-news-for-amiibo-skeptics-like-1714239554
>Miyamoto: “In terms of being able to unlock content, I don’t really want to go down that path. For this game, I think of it more as, for people who have the Amiibo, they’re going to get a little something extra and that’s how I’m planning on it with this game. So rather than actual abilities or things like that changing in the game, it would be like getting a different skin for the Arwing or something like that.”
>>335759467
Like all Nintendo sequels. Check Mario Galaxy 2, Metroids, Pikmins, whatever. Just a rehashed game with new mechanics but the very same story over and over.
>>335759636
>>335759732
you both make good points, I will not argue that I probably would complain about DLC behind Amiibo.
I guess I just wanted something unique from the Amiibo, maybe skins that aren't unlockable otherwise or something, nothing that affects the game or story just something that would be neat
I haven't had a chance to try Star Fox Guard yet, how is that ?
I have been enjoying Zero though and that's a great time
The Arwing firing sideways looks really stupid. I wish there was a Pro Controller mode. Then it would be nearly perfect.
>>335760161
I don't know if it would happen but I wouldn't be opposed to an update that allows for different control options, I know some people that want to play the game but can't because of physical disabilities making the gyro impossible for them. However I guess it undermines the gimmick Nintendo is trying to do with this game
>>335759923
maybe something less intrusive, just skins, really. Both arwings changes the way you play the game and one of them is hard mode. Having that locked behind a paywall would hurt the replayability once you 100% it and no hard mode is available. I totally get why they chose to include as unlockables too.
A 7/10 that could've been 8/10 if it weren't for the cinematic bullshit and the controls.
Of course once you actually do get used to all that, you notice that there's a real lack of levels. Too much of the alternate routes are just cut missions or boss fights that could've been part of the previous mission (Like the Star Wolf duel after the Andrew chase). Speaking of boss fights, every boss being All-Range mode is a load of shit.
>>335760103
It's very good if you like tower defenses
>>335760560
I do like some Tower Defense every once in awhile, I will give it a try once I have some time
>No Krystal.
>>335760895
FUCK KRYSTAL
>>335760541
All bosses on SF64 were static or all range, except for the running golem and the train on Macbeth
All range:
- Corneria easy route
- both Wolf battles
- Mothership
- Satellite core
- Andross' Brain
- Robots on sector something (Y I guess)
- missiles on Sector Z
basically half of SF64 is all range bosses
>>335760895
is Krystal a nigger fox since she isn't apart of the red fox master race?
>>335760895
>No Krystal in Smash
>No Krystal in new Star Fox
Shit, is the WiiU the system we've wanted all along? A sad answer to the wish we've been asking, only to be forgotten on the wind as it is blown away in a salty desert?
>>335757164
should have been a continuation instead of a reimagining
should of had online multiplayer
should of had more levels
in it's current state it should not be $60
they gave the fans a true sequel to SF64 but did nothing to improve on the original except some gimicky bullshit
now hackurai has his excuse to never revive old series he hates, he can continue to make what he actually wants to (shitty """""games""""")
It's pretty alright.
>>335760895
We have Katt Munroe,
Would you play a remake of SF Adventure if it was Krystal only and most Star Fox references were taken out?You know, like it was originally supposed to be like if Sakurai hadn't intervened
>>335759000
Meanwhile in Ace Combat
It's fun. I honestly can't see how you don't have fun.
>>335757164
I think its fucking awesome.
Motion controls actually work well, fuck those who shit on them without playing the game for more than 5 minutes.
Final fight was somewhat challenging and there's a lot of quirky shit to keep old fans happy.
>>335761527
I'm going to get for this but I actually enjoyed Adventures. I think if it did have the Star Fox references removed it probably would have definitely been received much better. The game isn't bad but it really isn't a Star Fox game and only uses the name for the popularity bump and because Sakurai saw a fox was the main characters
>>335761527
Sakurai? It was Miyamoto that caused Adventures to happen. Sakurai was busy developing Melee.
>>335761206
>>335761527
>Sakurai
Am I being memed
>>335761578
Ha ha, holy shit what?
Is this for Assault Horizon Legacy?
>>335757164
Motion controls take some getting used to, but I like it.
>>335757164
How'd they pull it off?
>>335761952
>>335761982it was miyamoto, I can't tell japs apart
>>335757547
Star Fox isn't a dark series.
>>335761206
>Should of had
You should have paid attention in class, you illiterate fuck.
>>335757164
Best controls and visuals for the series. It's got a fair amount of content and a lot of replayability, but it lacks a bit on the levels. I'd say 7/10 (as in "good, would recommend to fans of the genre, but not amazing").
Make a sequel with more levels and make them new locations, and you've got a 9/10 or 10/10 game. Anyone who thinks the controls are bad is high as a kite.
I've been loving the game. I'm at 11 hours and have about twenty medals left to go. No idea how to get a few of them though and I'm still missing one hidden place.
I could look it up but I want to try to get everything myself.Still haven't even tough Guard yet.
>>335762606
>11 hours
BUT IT'S A 3 HOUR GAME, DIDN'T YOU HEAR!?
Fuck /v/. Glad to see some people still have taste, and are enjoying the game.
Its Kid Icarus Uprising all over again.
The Gyrowing had potential but it didn't quite work.
>>335763248
As someone who is still enjoying both games, Uprising has far more content. Zero is great, just a bit lacking even for SF. It's tied for best with SF64, though.
>>335762213
>Main
>4 hours
Yeah I guess that's about right
>Main + Extras
>4.5 hours
What?
>>335763554
Hopefully they use Zero as a new jumping off point for future games. And no more remakes.
>>335757164
Fantastic. A great shmup.
>>335763840
If they did make Zero 2, and it had more characters and levels, most of which should be new, it would be amazing.
>>335763554
KI has some terrible pacing, you should be able to choose either flying or on foot and never both
KI could be a perfect shooter if there was no on-foot free levels
BARREL ROLL
>>335763879
>A great shmup.
You don't play many shmups do you boy
Picture this.
>be Nintendo
>sitting on this cool as fuck SF sequel
>don't bother releasing it
>years later, decide to make another
>some underling says "HAY, MAYBE WE SHOULD REMAKE THE UNRELEASED SNES GAME! You know, give it a purpose! It'll be easy!"
>Miyamoto all like "Nah. Let's rehash 64 for the nostalgia bux."
I will never not be mad about this wasted potential.
I DON'T GIVE AFUCK WHAT YOU PEOPLE SAY! ALL THE "all range mode" BOSS FIGHTS HAVE SHIT CAMERA AND ARE NO FUN!
>>335764427
>i am bad at controlling a game camera and wish to type this in caps so everyone can know.
ok.
>>335764757
I can play the game fine, even during all range mode sections. BUT, the boss fights are not fun at all and anyone who defends them are obviously delusional. If the cockpit view had more visibility, it'd be a way better experience...
It don't.
>>335764105
name better shmups then
Biggest flaw with the game is not having a dialogue through the TV option and an unmemorable OST.
The game feels... like there's a sense of scale issue. Everything seems way too BIG, and makes dogfights awkward. The camera locking in some All Range mode fights is a pain at times, too.
They came close to doing it right, but just missed the mark. Maybe the next one will be better. No motion controls, either.
>>335757164
It's ok.
>>335765907Truxton
>>335757164
10.5/12 of the main levels are fantastic (Fuck the Gyrowing) and the controls are fine. At its core SF0 is a great game.
The biggest problem with Zero is how most of its diverging paths lead to these short mini-missions instead of full-fledged levels. There's really only one or two paths in the game that really feel like a sequel to SF64. The mini-missions would have made great bonus levels or score attack scenarios, but they seem to just be in there to pad out the routes.
>>335757164
Star Wolf dogfights are 10/10
Motion controls are 0/10
Overall a sloppy and new Nintendo safe 6/10
>>335765907
StarFox 64
>>335757164
Tied with Assault.
>>335759871
Even OoT was essentially a 3d remake of Link to the Past.
>>335766678
Are you high?
>>335757164
It's great, but it just needs 2 or 3 more levels added to it.
Also, how in the fuck did they make a solar system and NOT add a fucking sun? I would have loved to see what they'd do with that Bioweapon boss from 64.
The landmaster and chicken walker are some of the worst controlling vehicles i've ever had the misfortune of handling
>>335763248
Zero is like if Uprising actually did end after killing Medusa.
>>335766215
This. It's not the controls that are bad. It's not the graphics or the gameplay. It's that they "cut" too much content from SF64 in this one. There are a lot of cool levels missing, a lot of bosses missing.
>yfw you really like Star Fox Zero, mainly because of the controls fun as hell and immersive
>every fucking eceleb and mainstream reviewer shits on the game just because of the controls
>every fucking retard who religiously follows any of them will regurgitate their exact opinions so they don't have to put in the effort in making their own
You know this brings up an interesting question, why does Western mainstream gaming condemn experimentation? Does this intolerance apply to Japan as well? I saw a Famitsu review that gave it a 35/40, but I couldn't find any other Japanese reviews.
Its okay but it needed more levels other fun goodies like multiplayer and stuff to add to reputability.
...and Krystal.
>>335760895
I know, it's awesome!
>>335757164
9/10 it's ok
>>335757164
It's funny but too short, just like The Force Unleashed 2. Too expensive for such a short game.
>>335764126
You can easily play SF2, it's not like just because it wasn't release officially it somehow never existed
You're worse than those Mother 3 fans that pretend that the game will 'never come to the US' when it takes less than 10 min on google to get it.
>>335762271
The FX game was moody. I really liked the tone of that game most, and that was with the simplest of graphics.
>>335760895
God bless.
>>335762218
Litteral retard then.
It's fine, we already knew from your post.
>>335768790
I'm just saying that they didn't have to make the plot a lazy 64 reboot when they could've based the new game on and/or remade 2.
>>335757164
If I can get 60 hours out of Pikmin 3's story then I can get my money's worth out of Zero.
I like it/10 could be better.
>>335757164
>no amazon foxy girl/10
>>335762271
it's fairly dark
the start of the game is that your dad's was murdered
takes place during war time
lots of implied death
bosses send out a final message before being incinerated
it's pretty dark, maybe not by 90's standards but by today's standards it's 10x darker than most video games.
Post Krystal
Dogshit. Like everything Nintendo has been doing lately. Hopefully they make one whole new game before they finally go under.
>>335766678
this is a gross generalization
the main thing ALTTP had in common was certain songs in its soundtrack, everything else was original.
>>335757164
It could have been considered a good game 10 years ago.
>>335761206
>in it's current state it should not be $60
It isn't.
>>335767361
>needs 2 or 3 more levels
that's why there's a second game packed with it
>>335757164
It's ok 7/10. I enjoyed it. Needs more levels and content though
>>335767864
Which was pretty satisfying until there. KI is overly long to be honest, I'd cut at least 5-6 levels.
>>335758520
Someone should print this, frame it and label it as "The cancer killing videogames"
>>335758520
>Locking levels behind amiboo
Dear God no
>>335768789
that's why it costs $50 and comes with a second game if you decide to buy the physical release for $60
>>335758326
The cynic in me says there are going to be DLC levels announced at E3 for the real ending.
Also
>Running from andross
>He turns around while he's distracted by James
>You can do a turnaround and blow him up
>it doesn't change anything
Why include it?
>>335763835
I unlocked and completed every stage in 3 hours 40 minutes.
After that all you got is completionist work with medals, scores, and running through arcade.
>>335768617
The Completionist was praising Zero to high heaven
>>335770534
you get a medal and mission accomplished instead of complete
>>335768624
Why Krystal? Why not Faye and Miyu?
>>335770732
you can do the same with the 64 if you are skilled enough. ~50min average per route.
but yeah, even though it has enough replayability, people still shit on it (see 3DS reviews) saying "it's too short".
>>335770865
The medals are really shit.
>>335770825
That was one person, I'm talking the general mainstream public consensus on the game.
>>335770954
But Star Fox 64 doesn't have a Gyrowing section. Or the chicken walker. Or forced gyro aiming.
>>335757164
No enough levels. All-range to on-rails ratio is too high. Gyrowing was clearly a mistake that was only kept in because it was already finished.
>>335770954
I know, the person I was responding to just seemed a bit confused over Main+Extras barely being longer than the Main game.
>>335757164
This is the nostalgia-fag in me talking but I enjoyed it a lot. One of the things that made me the most giddy was when I heard the "good luck" before every level.
Game was fun, the stages were very pretty but I do feel like it should've been longer. On top of that, really and truly, my only gripe were that the motion controls were forced and not too fun to use. If they made it optional I'd give it a 10/10 for sure.
>>335770951
This please.
Also I want pigma to become it's own villain again and panther to return
>>335770951
Because Miyu got turned into Katt, although I wouldn't mind seeing either of them included
>>335770732
wow
so you say it really is a Star Fox game, huh
>>335761752
>40fps dips and framedrops
>Awesome
>In a arcade game
no
>>335770951
Cause I want her to finally come back, like the king k rool fags that want him to come back.
I'm the original guy you (You'd) btw. I grew up with the cube, despite playing 64 and snes first. maybe that's why i'm attached somewhat.
It had potential but WAY TOO FUCKING SHORT
10 HOURS
100% THE GAME
IT TOOK ME YEARS TO GET ALL MEDALS ON 64, LET ALONE ON EXPERT. I CLOCKED IN AT LEAST TWICE AS MANY HOURS IN ADVENTURE AND ASSAULT.
Half the medals arent even challenging to get and are downright stupid, like letting the flying worm loop around a vine or shooting an asteroid
>>335757164
It's okay but way too short. Should have had online leaderboards.
>>335759871
The only Metroids with the same story are 1 and Super.
>>335771298
>muh games must run at 60fps straight to be any gud
Bravo platinum
You've managed to make the worst escort mission in the past decade
In a game series that used to be valued for its replayability
fuck
youuuuuuuuuuu
>Sector Omega
>Hype on-rails speed section
>Lasts 2 minutes
Why couldn't they make more of that?
>>335761206
>Says "should have" properly in the first sentence
>Proceeds to say "should of" for the rest of the post
>Implying Sakurai had fucking anything to do with this
Is this what they call "master bait"?
>>335771558
I liked it.
>>335771156
What basis are you taking? There is a lot of wrong data in HLTB for now, just saying
IGN and some other review I read (can't remember) stated main + extras are something between 15-17h
>>335771558
Finding and shooting the drones off of the MOVING Great Fox is just the worst.
And they had the nerve to copy/paste the stage so you do it all again, and just added in a little boss fight at the end.
>>335769614
So 10/10 then?
>>335761982
>>335771708
>Implying the next Star Fox game won't be a Kamiya/Sakurai collaboration.
>>335771046
So there are differences between both contrary to /v/ opinion? My nigga
>>335771784
7/10
>>335771820
>Implying either will be alive when they decide to give Star Fox another chance
>>335771784
7.2/10
>>335771820
I don't want shota shit in Star Fox
>A team comprising of mostly just one person made GOTY 2015
>Star Fox is shorter than said game, and is horribly mediocre
They're just not fucking trying. Fuck you, Nintendo.
>>335771784
Krystal is indeed a 10
>>335771901
>I don't want shota shit in Star Fox
What shota?
>>335771875
>Implying Sakurai isn't immortal
>>335772043
A 10 out of a 100
I like Krystal
>>335771875
When will this meme end?
I bet it sold well enough for a NX greenlight.
>>335764126
What did you think Command was?
>>335772298
With Krystal included?
>>335771581
I saw that in the trailer and it hyped me the fuck up. Those could have been great segments.
>>335771826
I was hoping that critics shitting on the game just needed to git gud...but no. They were right this time around. Zero is really...eh. Not bad, just kind of mediocre. Would be enjoyably bland if the controls weren't so forced.
>>335761108
Yeah, but at least SF64 didn't had terrible controls
>>335772451
Yeah most likely.
>>335772435The one I didn't play.
>>335757164
It's fun, but it could have been so much more, especially after they hyped it so much.
My main issue is, it looks very dull and lifeless even with all the action on screen.
And for a Platinum-collab there is a criminal lack of unlocks and extras.
No problem with the controls, just practice, there's a training option right in the main menu.
>>335761108
On-Rails:
- Corneria hard route
- Asteroid Field boss
- Aquas Boss
- Area 6 boss
- Sector X boss
- Titania boss
- Macbeth Boxx
- Andross first form
- Zoness boss
- Solar boss
Less than half.
>>335758520
Kill yourself ASAP
>>335757164
Very enjoyable game with a good control scheme if you put in the time to learn it. Just wish there were more stages.
>>335770951
What makes those two better than Krystal? In all honesty begging for Miyu and Fay should be considered to be just as autistic as begging for Krystal.
its a reboot of a remake, that already had a remake, but with pointless gimmicks that go against the very nature of the game.
4/10, less content, more filler and worse gameplay/controls than the game its supposed to be a reboot of
>>335757164
Better then I expected, casuals shitting on motion controls are making this "bad".
>>335757164
Not bad, could have been way better though.
Hopefully it managed to delay the death of the series.
>>335769614
nice art
>>335768617
Experiment as much as you like with a new series. Starfox fans expect more, enhanced Starfox. I think Zero is less immersive because the Arwing can now shoot sideways and it's really weird.
>>335757164
Fucked up the controls for no reason, should have either stuck to Lylat Wars/Starfox 64 style or had left stick control vehicle, right stick control aiming. Would have been so much more fun that way.
The new vehicles are annoying as hell because they turn the game from a SHUMP into an adventure game. It's like they had two seperate ideas for a Starfox game, one based on the SNES/N64 games and one on the free-roaming adventure ones and tried to combine them. IT DOESN'T WORK.
It just doesn't have the spark that made Starfox on the SNES and Lylat Wars on the N64 so replayable, though it was alright while it lasted.
>>335777649
>one based on the SNES/N64 games and one on the free-roaming adventure ones
In other words Star Fox 2?
>>335761108
>- both Wolf battles
>- missiles on Sector Z
These aren't bosses.
>>335777921
yes they are
Just like every Nintendo game that came out after Tropical Freeze.
Okay, but is either the same damn game as we had 10 years ago, a remake, or a simplified version of an older franchise that shits on what made it good in the first place.
They had such a good middle section for the Wii U's lifespan but they've lost it now. Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2 and Tropical Freeze will still go down as the best games of the gen though, at least for anyone that played them.
Mediocre.
