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OCEELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTE
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>>335749089
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>When you find out the player character is Ocelote

Damn...
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>>335749559
do you have a single piece of evidence to support your claim
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>>335749648
Vaati told me, he works for From
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>>335749089
Oceiros was easy as shit but he was one of the coolest bosses in the game and arguably the most fun.
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>>335749089
literally broken boss

was not able to hit me once due to geometry and his hitboxes
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>>335749798
If they made the area a little bigger it would've been much harder. Half the time he's running into a wall and I'm looking at his ass.
And no, you aren't looking at every bosses ass so just dont.
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pshh ignorant slaves...
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>>335749779
>>335749648
>>335749559
you can see the fucking dragon holding the goddamn baby in the fucking cutscene
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>>335749950
ya he's a very poorly designed boss. I don't think he ever hits anyone, his attacks are designed to hit in front of him but everyone just spams under him.

Even the wolfdogs are harder than him.
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>>335750006
He's holding nothing you quack
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>>335750006
>implying that's not you from the past

Why do you think Untended Graves is the past?
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>>335750006
>you can see the fucking dragon holding the goddamn baby in the fucking cutscene

anon there's nothing there in the cutscene, that's literally the point. Even if there was a baby how the fuck does that connect to the main character dumb nigger
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>>335750129
nigga he quite obviously is cradling an imaginary child AKA Ocelotte for the entirety of phase 1 of his boss fight
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>>335750220
well then he wasn't holding a baby if it was imaginary was he
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>>335749798
I would actually say he's the only boss in the whole game I didn't like, he looks goofy and he spends half the fight running into walls flailing around. His rambling is great though, he's a cool character if a lousy a boss.
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>>335750048
to be fair he does seem like he's too old/weak to fight and was only forced to protect his invisible kid
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>>335750307
After Micolash and Ocieros, all I know now is that From needs to make more crazy, rambling bosses.
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>>335750220
What if the baby is just invisible like Priscilla?
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>>335750307
Personally I liked his design. But yeah the rambling absolutely made the fight.

It's a shame we know so little about him.
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>There are people who think the baby was imaginary
How fucking stupid can you get? You can hear the baby during the fight.
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>>335750768
that's just to be deep, there is no baby
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Why is he growing shit out of his back like master Willem?

Why is he guarding an invisible baby like mergos wet nurse?
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>>335750768
>there are people who think he was holding an invisible baby that dies even if you never hit it
>instead of a clearly magical being projecting his own insanity onto the battle
>or the crying just being part of the boss soundtrack modified

How do you faggots explain how the "dead" baby keeps crying in phase 2?
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>>335751009
Nigga THE defining trait of halfbreeds like that is invisibility. Don't be purposefully stupid.
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>>335749089
LIQUIDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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>>335750768
>there are people that can't understand anything beyond literal exposition
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>>335751009
No one said it died?
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>>335749089
Anyone else feel like he is just a dragon sif?
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>>335751150
What's the source of that? Just because Priscilla could do it doesn't mean it's a trait of half dragons. I could make myself invisible too by using Hidden Body.
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I thought he was seath's bastard or some shit
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>>335751150
Source?

An in-game source, not some shitty lore video, please.
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>>335751518
How about the fact that both of the halfbreed bosses go invisible during a fight. You seriously think it's a big coincidence and Oceiros has psychic baby scream powers? Use some critics, thinking skills
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>>335751818
>both of the halfbreed bosses
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>>335751818
Critical thinking, fuck autocorrect
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>>335751857
Priscilla and Ocelotte are both present in boss fights, and invisible. Just trying to leave out Yorshka who doesn't engage in combat
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>>335750624
>>335750768
>i killed an invisible baby
OH NOOOOOOO
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>>335751818
>>335752049
Maybe you should listen to your own advice. It's time you stop posting.
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Ocelote's mother is Gwynevere
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>>335749089
>>335749637
>still no good porn
RRRREEEEEEE
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>>335749089
Why does he look like the hybrid abomination from alien 4?
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>>335752049
You can't just use the theory you're arguing about as a fact when arguing. There is only one half breed dragon that canonically goes invisible and that's Priscilla.
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>>335752049
>Ocelotte was just invisible
>how do you know
>Because half-dragons all turn invisible
>where's your proof
>Ocelotte is invisible
Anon, please stop posting.
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>>335751818
Explain why I can go invisible then, if invisibility is a halfbreed trait.
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>>335750624
>>335750768
you can clearly hear him making the same crying noises as before while he's screaming during his second phase
there never was anything else in the boss room except oceiros
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>>335752129
I never told anyone to stop posting. If you honestly don't think the intention was an invisible half dragon baby being cradled you're probably a tad slow though. Or new to the series.
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Ocelotte was a reference to Mergo, not Priscilla.
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>>335750006
>>335750220
This. Ocelotte was clearly intended to be a part of this fight but was cut. You can even still lock on to Ocelotte separately from Oceiros as if he was actually fucking there, if that's not evident enough for you.

Regardless, that obviously won't stop the lorefag autists from spouting their own stupid ass theories.
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Am I Ocelotte?
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PUMP A RUM!
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>>335752134
Cool fanfiction.
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>>335752260
Because it isn't exclusive? The fuck kind of stupid thing to say is that. By that logic how the fuck are Gough and Seath BOTH blind?

>>335752212
>>335752227
Follow some simple logic here. As of the first game 100% of halfbreeds turned invisible. A relatively rare trait for enemies.

3 rolls around. It features a dragon boss holding a half dragon baby. This baby is being cradled by the dragon but can not be seen, but can be heard.
>Like Priscilla the halfbreed is invisible
>Oceiros is making baby noises the whole fight and doesn't realize the baby he is holding onto is weightless because he is super crazy
Feel free to think the second choice, but I'm gonna think you're stupid.
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>>335752281
You're truly terrible interpreting information.
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>>335752672
Divine Blessing description

Holy water blessed by the Queen of Lothric.

Fully restores HP and cures ailments.

The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, was initially revered as a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared.
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>>335752907
unnfff
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>>335753026
And why the fuck did you decide to just jump to the conclusion that The Queen of Lothric was Gwynevere, you fucking retard?
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>>335752854
But you still haven't proven that turning invisible is a halfbreed trait. You said it yourself, invisibility isn't exclusive.
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>>335753026
Is ocelotte Prince lothric's sister?
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Breaking news guys. There's actually an invisible choral inside every boss room fight. I know this because i hear them every time.
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>>335752498
You didn't notice the explosion of blue blood before his stage 2? Ocelotte gets fucking killed.
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Can someone tell me what level is good to stop at for pvp/coop? 60??
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>>335753147
Read DS1 divine blessing description
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>>335753258
I wonder how that invisible piano survived so long in the kiln
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>>335753372
The PvP metas seem to be 80 and 120
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>>335753372
60-125
Don't go over.
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Someone please fucking tell me how to get a higher poise. It's like non-existent in this fucking game and it's getting on my nerves how every little attack fucking stops everything that I'm doing
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>>335752049
What about the Kings Pets in Dark Souls 2?
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BAAAAAANEEEEE
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>>335749089
>Revolver Ocelot

Revolver Ocelot
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I had to summon an NPC to beat him. I was fine with all the other bosses but I just could not beat him by myself. I know I'm a shitter who needs to git gud.
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>>335753398

Yeah that plus she's already been the focus of some speculation regarding mothering a half-dragon baby.
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>>335753304
>You didn't notice the explosion of blue blood before his stage 2? Ocelotte gets fucking killed.

So why does Ocelotte continue to cry?
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What happened to the slut ware? There used to be at least 3 sets.
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>>335753738

Short answer, you can't, it's not in the game in the same form as previous Souls games.
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>>335754026
Honestly an oversight either way. Even if Oceiros is just crazy, why would he think Ocelotte is dead if he is still making the noise?
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>>335754125
That's so fucking stupid holy fuck.
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>>335754026
Because nigga is bleeding out on the ground

>>335754071
Dancer, Black Leather, Dragon ass, ???
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>>335754071
too provocative for the now fully normie fanbase of the souls series
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>>335754152
Because Ocelotte isn't there. Oceiros even asks him why he's hiding.
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>>335753754
I figured it was a part of all the enchantments sewn into the land by the priestesses since you need the priestess eye to pierce it.
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>>335754207
I'm talking about oppai and delicious and.
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Why did FROM decide to make Oceiros have a huge nutsack? A bait for scalies? What was the fucking idea behind that design decision?
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>they didn't find Ocelotte behind the illusory wall
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>>335754385

Oceiros was obsessed with producing the perfect heir, but his nuts were cursed.
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Did Oceiros eat Ocelotte?
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>>335754247
Then why is he cradling him at the beginning? Why does he get so angry that Ocelotte is hiding again?
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>>335754385
It's his gut anon...
It only looks like balls in his second phase
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post yfw Ocelotte is a boss in the DLC

also Ludleth too
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>>335754152
>>335754247
>Even if Oceiros is just crazy, why would he think Ocelotte is dead if he is still making the noise?

Ocelotte was probably in the room, and Oceiros went bonkers in the second phase because he was barely holding back his insanity throughout the first. He went from barely-contained rage at his own child hiding from him, to actual rage at his own child hiding from him.
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>>335754385
They probably intended for it to be grotesque/horrifying
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>>335754578

also naked Ornstein
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>>335754578
Nah he is there just invisible like Priscilla
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WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF OCEIROS AND PRISCILLA FUCKED.
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>>335754543
>he's holding his stomach for the first phase
>some weird shit in his body is acting like a uterus keeping Ocelotte alive
>Ocelotte is still crying
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>>335754596
I'm pretty sure this is the real answer. The reason we hear Ocelotte crying isn't because he's invisible, but because he's hiding somewhere in the vicinity. By the end of the boss battle he's already gone.
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>>335754596
pretty sure he goes crazy because you are cutting his guts open
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>>335754385
>>335754478
>>335754543
>>335754574
>>335754729
>THAT BULGE IS OCELOTTE
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>>335754596
>This little shit is playing hide and seek for the fifth time today
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>>335753026
Well fuck me sideways. I really shouldn't skip descriptions even for basic items.
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>>335749950
>>335750048
>the boss never hit me

Are you two actually retarded or you playing some weird broken version of the game?
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>>335754760
>pretty sure he goes crazy because you are cutting his guts open

That's what I'm saying.

You attacking him is what shattered whatever composure Oceiros had left.
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>implying Ocelotte could be killed by getting slammed into the ground even as a baby

ignorant slaves
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>>335754729
That's some bloodborne level horror right there
I love it
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Friendly reminder that Gwynevere is behind everything bad happening and she'll be the final boss of the DLC.
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>>335754760
Why does he scream for Ocelotte to stop hiding then? Is Ocelotte his code word for painkillers?
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>>335754574
This nutfriend gets it

So who/what is this thing anyways? I could barely pay attention to what he was saying on my first playthrough and my 2nd character isnt that far yet. He's Seath's half-dragon bastard child who happens to be completely insane and thinks he has a baby?
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>>335754982
>Why does he scream for Ocelotte to stop hiding then?

He's literally insane, his obsession with finding Ocelotte is the only thing he has left.

And the more you hit him, the angrier he gets until he is forced to realize his own son ran away from him.
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>>335754830
His sperm never left his testicles and grew into a baby?
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>>335754071
DLC
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>>335755101
see
>>335754543
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>>335755101
That's why you have to masturbate frequently
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>>335754963
I was really hoping it would be Patches' fault and him being the Pygmy
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>>335755056
No, he's the father of the Twin Princes and basically the next step to Big Hat Logan's quest end. Evolved himself to emulate Seathe.
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>>335754963
>>335752134
>>335753026

The Sun Princess Ring suggests Gwynevere was able to escape Anor Londo and become a loving mother to several children.

The Queen of Lothric is probably a daughter of Gwynevere, not Gwynevere herself, just like the Dancer was a daughter of Gwynevere since she came from "the old royalty" and her soul gives a Gwynevere spell.
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>>335754729
>>335754830
oh shit
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For some reason all the dragonfucking autists in these games always make me laugh. I bet Oceiros fapped to drawings of dragons fucking horse-drawn carriages.
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>>335754963
>>335754963

I'd really like to meet Gwynevere and have it turn out that she's an evil toxic bitch
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>>335754830
>>335755101

GUYS.

THE QUEEN OF LOTHRIC LITERALLY GAVE BIRTH T OCELOTTE.

HE IS NOT "INSIDE" OCEIROS.
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>>335755306
I'd really like to meet Gwynevere and she is player sized
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>>335755346
see
>>335754543
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>>335755426
As long as her b00biez don't scale, we're good.
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>>335755426
pleb
l
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WHY DOES ROSARIA HAVE CUM IN HER HAIR
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>>335755513
>As long as her b00biez don't scale, we're good.

We've seen Gwynevere standing up and kinda reasonably sized in a statue in Anor Londo.

Her boobs are still impressive.
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what if Ocelot was Seath?
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>>335752134
But Gwynevere is already banging flame god Flann.
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>>335755571
Leonhard is using his Pale Tongues for something different
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>>335755571
because youre a stupid fucking spongebob poster i'd guess
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>>335755614
That relationship burned out.
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>>335755306
>I'd really like to meet Gwynevere and have it turn out that she's an evil toxic bitch

Everything suggests Gwynevere is the ultimate Ara Ara~ adorable mother.

>>335755614

Not to mention the Sun Princess Ring suggests her story "ended" with becoming a wife to Flann and a mother to many, many children.
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>>335755694
>being a squidward
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>>335755694
spongeposting is best -posting
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>>335755591
This takes place way after das1 though
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>>335755732
Rings can get retconned like the ring of the first son
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>>335755732
After what happened to Gwyndolin, I don't believe that there is going to be anything adorable in DS3 DLC, unless it's death, decay and disease.
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what if Ocelot was Solaire?
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>>335755728

Gwynevere had a lot of children, anon.

When in doubt it's best to assume it's a daughter of Gwynevere, like the Dancer or Rosaria.
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>>335755875
Do you see Doc and the DeLorean anywhere in any DaS? No? Then why the hell would a child exist eons before his parents?
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>>335755859
>Rings can get retconned like the ring of the first son

But the Ring of the Sun Princess is literally in Dark Souls 3 and says she ended up a mother and wife.

Besides, the only part of the Ring of the First Sun that was retconned is him being banished for losing the Annals of History.
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New Londo, Manus 2.0 and the serpents better be in the dlc
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>>335755873
>After what happened to Gwyndolin, I don't believe that there is going to be anything adorable in DS3 DLC, unless it's death, decay and disease.

Dark Souls 3 DLC better fucking have the Bearer of the Curse and Aldia.
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>>335755694
(you)
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>>335756014
TIME IS CONVULUTED IN LORDRAN SO YOU CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG YOU F-F-FUCK
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>>335756014
The flow of time is convoluted.

Anyway, Ocelotte is clearly Patches in disguise.
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>>335756014
Time is le convoluted xD
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>>335749089

I really dont know why /v/ jacks off to this guy and le champ.

Both were boring in all aspects of gameplay, design, and lore.
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>>335756092
>wanting even MORE rehashing in DaS3
holy shit just play Dark Souls 1
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>>335756014
No doubt the usual time in Lothric is convoluted nonsense.

Same with the lands of the lords converging on Lothric on all that rubbish.

Gwyndolin even survived our encounter in DS1 somehow, only to be devoured later by Aldrich.

Anything is possible with this shit setting.
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what if Ocelotte was Flamelurker?
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>>335756192
Ocelotte is using Chameleon and is pretending to be a statue in the Cemetary of Ash.

If you miss him within .7 seconds of starting the game, you miss The Ocelot Questline until you buy Dark Souls 3 again.
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What if Ocelotte was working for The Patriots
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>>335756312
>Gwyndolin even survived our encounter in DS1 somehow, only to be devoured later by Aldrich.
Gwyndolin is an avoidable boss in DaS1.
Nito isn't though, and he got devoured by Aldrich.
It's reasonable to assume that Aldrich could have consumed their remains.
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>>335752049
What is circular reasoning? What is begging the question?
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What if Ocelotte shrunk down and became Ocelittle
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>>335756238
Kill yourself nigger
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what if Ocelotte is a feeling?
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I thought it was just Ocerios making the baby noises because he's fucking insane and wants to believe the baby is still around.
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>>335752854
Dont accuse people of being stupid when you don't even understand the basics of argument, you fucking chump.
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>>335756473
Pretty irrelevant if you had kept reading the chain.
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What if Ocelotte was a girl?
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>>335756546
Oceless*
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>>335756578
What if Ocelotte is more than a feeling?
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>>335756590
Ad hominem is the basis of argument as you are demonstrating?
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>>335756653
She'd be pretty good in bed.
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>>335756653

I WANT TO FUCK THAT GIRL.
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>>335756551
Why don't you? Some of us want actual new content, not rehashed nostalgia pandering trash.
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>>335756807
>>335756792
guys stop being problematic.
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>>335755246
Gwynevere was already out of Anor Londo in DaS1
She's an illusion.
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What if Ocelotte is his weapon?
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what if we're all Ocelotte and we're dreaming that we're people living in a "real" world?
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>>335750006
>Normal speculation that makes for good lore
Ocieros is crazy and there's no baby

>Fucking retarded Soulsfag explanation
The baby is invisible because Priscilla could do it too. Even though the baby was already invisible when we entered the room and we hadn't been noticed yet.
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>>335756717
Then I'll begin dreaming.
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>>335757271
What is with Soulfags as reading too much into shit?
I remember some fag tried to prove back in DaS1 that Havel was planning to kill the god of Anor Londo because there is an occult club near his things.
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>>335757126
What if he uses his own fucking infant child as a weapon?
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It's Mergo all over again.
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>>335757271
>Even though the baby was already invisible when we entered the room and we hadn't been noticed yet.

The baby was hiding from Oceiros because Ocelotte is terrified of him.
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>>335757271
I just find the idea of Oceiros constantly crying like a baby, even while talking in a completely separate voice, too silly. The invisibility thing at least would make it a reference to the first game, which is what the game is filled with.
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>>335749876
>>335749637
CUTE!!
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>>335757445
That why he is crying.
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What if Oreos is nameless kings dad?
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>message blocks from opening door

FUCKING please stop fucking putting messages in front of doors i fucking beg of you holy shit you retards that do this shit are the lowest IQ of the worst kind you boogar eating ass picking finger smelling monkies.

Holy fuck
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>>335757570
That's Gwyn.
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>>335757656

what if it's the other way around
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>>335757620
Literally
press
Y/Triangle
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>>335757726
That's retarded.
You're retarded.
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>>335749089
>post yfw when you realised that Ocelotte is Yorshka
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>>335758063
If this was true it would make Yorshka a trap which I guess is possible considering fucking Gwyndolin was raising her.
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What if Ocelotte is Havel?
And the reason he hates dragons is because his dad's a scalie.
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WHY CANT THE WHITE BRANCHES DISGUISE YOU AS A SUMMON SIGN?
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i think Ocerios was inside of the boss (the boss being Ocelote)

His name was literally Ocerios, the Consumed King

Ocerios was in control of Ocelote for the first phase, but as his health began to wither he receded in order for Ocelote to take over, that being the reason why the first phase isn't as savage as the second

if you take a while in the first phase he says "what could you, the son of a dragon, possibly fear?" then the beast finally awakens
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>>335758580
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>>335749089
SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE
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>>335758063
>more fan canon bullshit
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>>335750624

You might be on to something. This might be work of an enemy stand.
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>>335756631
Insisting you're right over and over doesn't actually make you right, bud.
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I think Ocellotte is the PC. If you think about it, its the one that makes the most sense.
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>>335758961
K
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>>335756546

silly smug loli
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>>335759013
I think Ocelotte is the gameboy. If you think about it, its the one that makes the most sense.
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>>335759013
I don't know which posts are joking anymore.
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>>335759013
Make sense of THIS, you pestiferous caitiff.
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>>335759238
PC can transform into a dragon humanoid.
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>>335759413
Chosen Undead confirmed as Ocelot
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>>335750139
yes because the ashen one is born as a full grown adult in the middle of a fucking graveyard
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>>335759413
What button do I press on mine to do that?
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>>335759413
So could loads of guys. All those dead dragon guys at the peak used the stones.
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I think Ocelotte is a faggot
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guys guys you know the worm from smouldering lake is... solaire!!
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>>335759578
But they are dead. The only one alive and the only one there is the PC, which is Ocelotte.
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>>335759827
I actually like this one. Not that I think it's true, but it's neat headcanon
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if u hold down and b when ur fighting pontiff sullyvhan u unlock the real gwyn as a character and he's solaire
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>>335759886
And Hawkwood. Who also wants to be a dragon.
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>>335755246
>dancer is the daughter of gwenyvere
not this shitty fan fic again
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>>335760047
he reject wolf blood, be a godlyke abyss watcher for be a skeletal dragon kek
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>>335750048

He gave me the most trouble outside nameless king

Trying to get the npc through for his quest and he kept running

Though someone told me to keep close and he went down after that.
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>>335760526
Whats weird is that Hawkwood drops his shield and goes back to fighting the abyss watcher way just so he can become a dragon, what the hell. Him being summonable for oceiros did make a lot of sense though
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>>335750624
>halfbreeds can go invisible

oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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>>335760328
she is giant, big ass, old royalty, dancer backwards = recnad is latin for "sun daughter", explain this
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>>335759886
>>335759413
>>335759013
That... actually makes sense.
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When I first entered the boss room I thought ocelot was a poorly translated version of oceiros, and that oceiros was the one making the crying sounds while the manly voice was his memories or a ghost or something. Kinda like how Gough is supposed to be pronounced "go" but the voice actor said "goff" instead.
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>>335751150
Oceiros isn't a dragon though. His child wouldn't be a half breed.
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>>335756221
The champ excels in all those areas except for maybe design since he looks kind of boring
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>>335757620

>Retard calling others retards

How amusing
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>>335749089
Ignorant slaves, how quickly you forget
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>>335761224
Technically neither was Seathe.
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>>335761760
Seathe just had birth defects, he was still a dragon.
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>>335753258
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>>335761849
Nope, both 2 and 3 refer to him as a drake. He was a mutation from the dragons, which is what a drake is considered in Dark Souls.
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>>335757620
monkeys*
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>>335759827
its not though
its just a sandworm from a distant land theres many of them. read item descriptions more
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>>335762050
Well heres lore clearly calling him a dragon
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/moonlight-greatsword
Now find some lore calling him a drake and we have a good and true inconsistency.
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>>335762240
What item descriptions say there are more and it's from a distant land? The bug pellets just say it was driven into the catacombs.

Enlighten me.
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>>335762301
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Moonlight+Greatsword
Like I said, 2 and 3 refer to him as a drake.
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I'm glad Ornstein is still alive.
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>>335762646
He most certainly isn't. The nameless king killed him when Ornstein tried to face him. This is literally undeniable.
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>>335762240
sarcasm, that was a long, controvertial and stupid lore discussion on reddit who faggots bring here
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>>335762772
or maybe he just took his armour off to follow the path of the dragon
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>>335753304
He makes more of those explosions
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>>335762894
>the dragonslayer betrayed all his beliefs and went and became a fucking dragon
no anon
he's fucking dead
the nameless king fucked him up
he's DEAD
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>>335762646
Nigga, he tried to duel Gwyns son and got wrecked
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NK did the same thing, why not his apprentice?
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>>335762301
>>335762608

Also the Old Paledrake soul from DS2 which clearly reference Seath (considering the 3 others are old witch, old dead one and old king)
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>>335763031
nameless king slew dragons aswell before his change of heart
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>>335763192
Nameless king betrayed gwyn for the dragons literally thousands of years ago. Why would the Dragonslayer only JUST change his mind, after killing basically all the dragons? Isn't it a bit fucking late?

No, its more likely the two (whom hold polar opposite views) fought, and the NK won because he's the fucking NK.
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>>335763031
>>335762772

Nameless King fought an illusionstein.
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>>335763192
I'm pretty sure we'd see Ornstein at Archdragon peak if NK didn't kill him

And either way NK went hollow so it's not like Ornstein could have made peace with him or anything
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>>335751009

The game seem to be leading you in two directions regarding the baby.

Theory 1: The baby is real, but it is invisible (Priscilla could turn invisible). You also hear a baby crying throughout the first half of the fight and when he enters his second stage he seem to kill the baby by smashing it on the floor.

Theory 2: Yorshka is Ocelotte. The baby was taken by Gwyndolin when shit went down on Lothric and raised to believe that he was her brother and Gywn was her father.
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>>335763443
I can imagine Ornstein ruling over a utopian country comprised entirely of Ornstein illusions, which he sometimes sends out into the world to mess with people who think he died.
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>>335763463
We do. He's NK's mount.
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>>335763724
Ocelotte is a boy.
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>>335758580
Sounds like it could work.
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