>can't upgrade armor
Buy why?
>>335727971
Why would you? Armor stats are irrelevant, wear sets that look good.
>>335727971
what's so fun about farming titanite?
Upgrading your armor was never a viable thing to do. Literally the only stat on armor that matters is how much it weighs.
Cus armor doesn't matter anyways cus lolnopoise
>>335728187
>farming titanite
>in DaS3
Titanite literally rains down on you in 3.
Infusion Gems are the real suffering.
>>335727971
So that you don't have to waste titanite on armour.
Also, on related note does this game still have poise? I seem to get 1-hit staggered even if I use heavier sets.
how does poise even work on this game? shitass dagger hits can stagger you no matter how much armor you got, even during moves that have some hyperarmor to it
>>335728498
No poise
It seems like they forgot to activate it
>>335728498
With full Smough's and a Wolf Ring (40 someodd poise) you can take one or two small hits as long as you're moving., but if you're standing still you will ALWAYS be staggered.
Hyper armor works real well, though.
>>335728498
They literally removed Poise in the last second
>>335727971
Considering they came back to Percentage-based damage reduction I guess they think you shouldn't be able to upgrade armor.
Of course that means heavy armor is worth jack shit but even then you can spam rolling if you're under 70%
Also zero poise. You can fucking stunlock HAVEL with two spear hits.
>poise is in the game
>it's just not turned on
Why. How. What serious of events led to this fucking stupidity?
Why does everyone want to pretend that making your favorite armor better is a useless mechanic?
>>335729184
>>335728979
Poise works, it's just set to a weird percentile. You have to get over 40 someodd before you can even take one hit. Which means full Smough/Wolf or Iron Flesh.
>>335727971
I'm just glad no one made fun of me for "Buy why" yet.
>>335729184
>WE NEED TO BE MORE LIKE BLOODBORNE
In all honesty I wouldn't mind if heavy armor really did have decent enough damage reduction.
>>335728408
this
I have like 45 titanite shards and can't do fucking anything with them because my longsword is already +6
>>335727971
I just bought this game but I've read that an update is coming out in about an hour which will require the servers to be shut down for a few hours? Is this true? If so, I'll just wait until tomorrow.
>>335727971
>Don't have to spend literal hours farming titanite to have a hope in hell of doing well in either PvE or PvP
Thank fuck.
>>335729184
From told their Janitor to turn it on before he went home but he seems to have forgotten
>>335729313
You can get up over 50% reduction in heavy armor. Quityerbitchin.
because its demon's souls 2 and in des you could not upgrade them
>>335729514
Huh, really? I was rocking the Cathedral knight set for a long time and it never semed to climb higher than 30%
Is Vitality worth investing in?
>>335729821
Yes? It always is unless your running a mage build or something.
>>335729265
>poise works
>it's just fucking useless
I bet they just wanted to kill the legend.
>Last souls/soulslike game by from software
End me now
Because armor is meaningless and From rushed this game.
Poise literally does nothing. Damage reduced by armor is next to nothing. Just stack health and chug estus, just like Bloodborne!
>>335730041
>Last souls
Yeah
>Last soulslike
Never confirmed. I wouldn't be surprised if Bloodborne 2 is being made as we speak.
>>335730285
>Bloodborne 2
no chance.
>>335730285
Bloodborne 2 or something like it is likely, but Miyazaki won't be at the helm. He's already confirmed he's working on a new, unrelated IP.
>Invade
>Shitter with phantom range
>Invade
>Shitter with phantom range
>Invade
>Shitter with phantom range
>Invade
>Shitter with phantom range
>Invade
>Shitter with phantom range
>>335730508
>new, unrelated IP.
Now I'm pretty hyped - hopefully we'll get another interesting setting.
>>335729790
With Iron Flesh you can get to over 70%. Fun!
Of course, you'll be over 100% equip load effectively, so that blows.
>bought DS3 on release
>roommate bought a PS4 and BB on the same day
>I've been playing BB a lot more than DS3
I still want to play DS3, but BB is better
>>335729367
Weren't you going to do that anyway for weaponry? It's an upgrade material, you're going to use it for upgrading.
>>335730041
How are you not tired of Soulslike games?
>>335730596
Its a new IP or a new armored core game. He worked on 3 and wanted to do more.
>>335730285
Interview with IGN he said there will be no such thing. They are stepping away from the concept.
Maybe contractual they could do something.
>>335730836
Can't help it man, these are close to the perfect game.
I just want to adventure and kill monsters and explore in a fantasy world. There are only a handfull of games that have the gameplay I want.
I don't understand the people having trouble with longsword R1 spammers.
Been invading in Irithyll with a black knight greatsword. If some idiot starts spamming R1 at me I get hit a maximum of 2 times before I roll out, then they get shitfucked in 2 hits.
Where is all the "longsword spam is unbalanced" shit coming from?
>>335729267
You almost made it, anon. You almost had a successful thread without being a fag, but then you kucked yourself
>>335731052
Its when you have 3 spammers its annoying
1v1 SS's are meh
>>335731052
It's the easy and strong, they can stagger you with 2 hits if you are low on poise.
But yeah just roll in time or parry.
>>335731052
I always try to parry them, it's pretty satisfying if it works, it's especially easy with the dark sword.
>just tried respeccing to torturer-like build with notched whip, wheel greatshield and 40 luck
>cant get anyone to bleed at all
>try switching to grave twin swords with light roll
>same fucking thing
>get rekt because no damage or armor
So what the fuck is the point of bleed?
>>335727971
Because armor doesn't matter. As long as you ha e some type of armor in each slot you get the same flat damage reduction regardless of the stats on the armor pieces.
>>335729331
>I have like 45 titanite shards
I got 99 + whatever is in my box.
>>335729331
no +15 in DS3? what the hell
>>335731685
Using a Carthas Rouge? Seemed to be the only for bleed to work for me.
>>335731685
I'm pretty sure luck affects bleed.
>>335732149
>>335729331
I generally get bored of builds quite easily so I find myself making +10 of lots of different shields/weapons and so I run out of titanite rather easily.
But with dreamcatchers ashes, and more souls than I know what to do with, its not much of a problem.
Except slabs. Fuck that shit.
>>335732401
I would if I could buff weapons with infusions. But no fun allowed, it seems. I have bleed infuse on them all
>>335732459
It does, but doent seem to be doing much to help. My weapons are at ~50 bleed damage and I still cant get it to trigger
>>335731034
Well that's fair. Tell you the truth, I love Souls games too. I'm just sick of all the bullshit
>>335729265
I get staggered by 2 fucking rapier hits in smough armor and the damage reduction is only slightly better than the fucking sorcerer robe
It's fucking useless
>>335730747
Yeah, but now I have to do it a whole lot less. Having only one/two things to upgrade compared to six/seven things is an improvement.
>>335732754
From what I have seen, you really have to commit to a bleed build. To get it so you can bleed people out within 1 to 3 hits you pretty much need to level up Luck to 40.
Just wear the lightest armor you can and use flynn's ring, like everyone else
>>335732291
Its been +10 since DaS2.
Weapon level also factors into matchmaking now.
>>335733215
Flynn's ring is shit unless I am missing some sort of stupid detail.
>>335733061
Poise works like Dark Souls 2. Unless you are literally stacking huge poise which will only make you take like 1 hit from a light weapon without stagger, you will be staggered on hit by pretty much everything. Poise gives you hyper armor while attacking. While it's a bit more useful than it was in 2 it fucking sucks that it isn't like 1. Apparently there is poise from Dark Souls 1 but they turned it off for some fucking reason. shit is retarded as fuck
>>335733446
It's ok when you wear the lightest gears in the game.
You get a decent AR boost, there are not a lot of useful rings so better get dem damages
>>335733090
>you pretty much need to level up Luck to 40.
I did exactly that. Plus I bleed infused the notched whip. I tried the corvian scythe too, but with hollow infusion. That was probably the most successful.
>>335733783
Try the Warden Twinblades. The spin attack is basically a bizillion hits.
>>335733783
>get Twinaxes
>slap some Carthus Rogue on them
>spin2win
Bleed is ez.
>>335733918
Yeah they work well enough but theyre really easy to outrange and combo break because no HA. But I probably need to just get good with them.
>>335728150
>Armor stats are irrelevant
Do you not know what damage absorption is or something?
>>335728150
This. I was very disappointed equip load was a thing again. Just fucks over fashion.
>>335733994
How long do weapon buffs last this time around? This seems like a good idra if Rouge is affected by luck.
But the downside is i cant infuse them in that case
>>335734052
The spin attack is best when you use it to catch incoming rolls Nice tracking an a radial hitbox works pretty well.
>>335734151
Neglible is what they are
>Summon for Dancers earlier than you're supposed to
>Phantom walks through the fog, rolls in to the sword and gets oneshot
>All fucking THREE of them do this.
Well time to HOMEWARD FUCKING BONE out because this fight is just fucking tedious.
>>335734151
Damage absorption is not worth it
You get like 40% with full smough armor + ring of steel protection
You can get 20 easily with light gears, which is good enough
Heavy armor is not worth it, spending points in equip load is not worth it
>>335734261
>He didn't go faith
Miracles are so fucking convenient
>>335734192
You can infuse them with hollow.
>>335734371
I dont believe you can buff infused weapons. Correct me if im wrong
>>335734476
It will still work with hollow not sure about heavy, raw, sharp or quality infusion.
>>335734636
Holy fuck, if youre right thats a game changer. Well time to buy 100k souls worth of rouge
Thanks anon.
Why are the whips in DS3 so useless compared to DS2?
>>335734476
>>335734738
I think you can buff weapons that just do physical. So as long as you're not giving it an extra damage type or poison/bleed, it's alright.
I'm annoyed that I can't even infuse the Butcher Knife, because it has the "special effect" of giving you a tiny amount of health back when you use the dumb R2 attack.
>>335727971
I agree OP that is bullshit.
Also upgrading shields should upgrade their resistances. Like maybe I want that stamina regen one to have 100% physical.
>>335728797
stop making shit up, poise doesn't do anything other than maybe affect roll recovery stagger.
!
I fucked up the NPC quests bad, does it all reset on NG?
>>335729514
full havels plus steel plate only gives you like 40-45%, quit making shit up.
>>335735128
Because no old whip power stance
>>335735128
>that spell isn't the weapon art for the bident that it looks exactly like
why
>>335735128
Because it says on the description "never intended for use in combat." Having a weapon exist in the game doesn't mean it has to be viable.
>>335734259
>45% damage reduction is neglible
In what world?
>>335734319
The Northener armor (warrior starter armor) sits around 12.5%, the sorcerer set has around 4.5% while full havel will have 35% (not counting any ring)
Only a fool/casual console peasant would dim armor stats to be irrelevant. Someone who value looks and will get shit similar to a sorcerer set will straight up have 520 less effective hp than a dude wearing havel with a steel ring. (if we consider 27vig/1khp + ember to be the norm)
I know console casuals aren't good at math but it's really not that complicated
>>335735278
oh wow it actually closes? I thought they just made it revert to it's closed state
>>335735380
Fuck you. If its usable, it should be viable.
>>335735416
I frames are good enough in DS3, just don't get hit and armor is useless
>>335735485
it isin pve
>>335735416
>Ignoring the heavy stat investment required to wear full havels and fast roll
K
>>335735380
Hey, it was fun in DS2
>>335734160
The good thing is that there's no reason to fast roll since it's barely better. With a fap ring, which you're bound to use anyway, you can equip most armor with base vitality of most classes.
>>335728408
They drop so much fucking unnecessary upgrade mats that exploring doesnt feel worth it. I knew that 90% of the time exploring would only net me another bunch of crafting mats that I stopped needing 10 hours ago.
It's honestly my biggest issue with the game.
because just like dark souls 2, they are continuing to casualize and ruin this franchise for us hardcore fans. fromsoft is dying & this game is proof
>>335735548
This
With 50 Vita, ring of favor + havel ring i can't even wear havel + havel greatshied + no weapon without fat rolling
>>335735693
>fromsoft is dying
They just signed a 6 game contract with sony, I don't think they're dying
>>335735693
>fromsoft is dying & this game is proof
FROM is fine, its the series is stagnating. There's only so many times you can re-use the same formula before it needs a break.
Fortunately they seem intent on pressing on with new, non-Souls projects now that 3 is out.
>>335730554
Sounds like you just have terrible internet bruh
>>335729331
>mfw I have +500 both titanite shards and large titanite from farming those silver knights for the Darkmoon blade
I'm not complaining. I can sell em too.
>>335728408
REFINEMENT GEMS WHEN FUGI used my only one on a zweihander on a quality build, shit's real nice I just want more
PVP invasions are so stacked against the invaders but the nu-lloyd's make it more bearable.
>>335735548
Can you use these stats to get any other type of defence? Nope.
Also, I'm not ignoring anything, it's not a discussion about point efficiency and character building. It's a discussion about what armor actually does in the game.
People who can't math say it doesn't do anything but it actually does.
>>335735734
Drop the shield and now you can! tadaaa! The shield is super fucking heavy and who the fuck would wear a blocking shield anyway? Can't you just roll or parry with a cestus?
>>335735885
It's impossible to break the Havel greatshield's guard and the running attack is fast as fuck
>>335735876
>REFINEMENT GEMS WHEN FUG
You can farm more once you get to Lothric Castle.
Took me about 30-40 minutes to get 2 with 200ish item discovery.
>>335735693
>fromsoft is dying
they've been alive BEFORE they got popular since before you started to crap your pants.
>>335735693
I never once bothered upgrading armor in any of the previous souls gamesexcept that one time I made a giant dad. It was just a waste of titanite shards and either required you to sacrifice your weapon variety or waste time grinding
Are weapon stance shields or parry shields better in PVP?
>>335728150
>getting hit
>>335735485
Nah. Just because I can get naked and punch bosses to death, or equip a tiny shield and smack them with it, doesn't mean it should be as good as someone who actually picked good armor and weapons. Even DaS2 had the ladle, but only an idiot would cry that their ladle build doesn't stand up against real builds.
>>335735565
It is, and I think really weird weapons and powerstancing has a really fun appeal, but I can also respect them deciding that a leather whip simply shouldn't be a very effective weapon in combat.
>>335735885
If armor requires a stat investment in order to utilize, at a worse return than post 27 vig, then it is worthless.
>>335736061
i would imagine it greatly depends on whether the weapon you pair it with has a skill worth using
>>335736108
not now steve
>waaaah can't pvp now because I have no poise!
You know it's not just YOU who has no poise right? No one has it. Just because you can't adjust to a new meta you start bitching. Programing mistake or not, you should bank on just copy+paste your exact combat style through 5 games.
>>335736061
Weapon stance with Farron's. They never see it coming.
>>335727971
You only had to type 5 words yet you still managed to fuck one of them up.
>>335735992
Then just equip the catarina set which just has slightless worse stats and weight much less, which will allow you to equip the Havel shield without having to fatroll.
Again, it's not complicated. The stats are very simple and you can easily figure out the best options.
>>335736234
If there was poise in this game, it would make straight sword faggotry a fucking nightmare.
>>335736343
But i want to look cool
looks like some one hasnt figured out the new stat pages
>>335731685
More info on build?
Does anyone know if having a ng+ ring counts towards the trophy for owning all the rings? I really don't want to grind covenants.
>>335736148
That's a really stupid statement, there are many more parameters to take into account.
>>335736425
It's all good man, I have nothing against people who want to play doll, just don't blindly follow that stupid "armour stats don't matter" trend.
Here, have an icecream, it's on me.
>>335736923
Yes.
>>335735459
You can also hear it closing, too. I feel this game has a lot of neat details that seems new for someone who didn't play Bloodborne, Like Leonhard applauding you when you get the Orb
>>335735885
>Drop the shield and now you can! tadaaa! The shield is super fucking heavy and who the fuck would wear a blocking shield anyway? Can't you just roll or parry with a cestus?
why would you wear armor when you can just roll or parry?
>>335736995
Brilliant, thanks man.
for reference, full havels along with steel plate +2, weighs 55.2 units. along with ring of favor +2 and havel's +2 this brings me to 74.something% load at 27 vitality. if you want to use the dragon tooth and the greatshield you need nearly 55 vit, but that was with the +1 havel's and favor.
>>335735485
so use the broken straight sword for pvp
>>335737125
i'll add that 55 vit got you to 99.2 equip load, so i'm not sure if you'd ever be fast rolling.
>>335736983
Nice argument. The fact is that armor is not worth investing in. Feel free to optimize your equip load, but to invest in wearing heavier armor is worsening your build. And the difference between unoptimized vs optimized armor at base Vit is negligible.
>>335737047
Because it's a free damage mitigation that stacks upon all the others and don't impair your ability to deal damage, contrary to shields which force you to use weapons with 1 hand, lower your mobility and stamina regen.
They're a tradeoff and a bad one imo when they don't have the parry ability.
Any other stupid question?
>>335737407
> free damage mitigation that stacks upon all the others and don't impair your ability to deal damage
applies to shields
>lower your mobility and stamina regen
>They're a tradeoff and a bad one imo
applies to heavy armor
>>335735693
This game is infinitely better and less casual than Ds2. This is a true sequel to Ds1
whips aren't great but if you learn to use them they can be real deadly, people never know how to fight whip users. YOU NEED the weapon skill though, the whip truly shines through it's weapon skill
it hits multiple times quickly before a long ranged attack that does really nice damage and saps enemies stamina.
I'm using the Witch's Locks, it took a while to learn how to fight properly with it, especially considering how good powerstancing whips was in 2,. But now I love my whip and am wrecking people consistently in PVP.
you can follow up a dodge roll witha qucik nice ranged attack, this is also one of your best tools due to how fast and ranged it is.
I personalyl use the Witch's Locks with a pyromancer build so I can wreck anyone trying to use the havel's greatshield meta
>implying your stoneskin and greatshield can save you from 40 int/fth fire damage faget,
>>335737125
Vitality seems like a such a novelty stat, pretty much there for fashion souls+decent rolls but otherwise it seems like a massive waste when I could be pumping vigor, endurance and an attack stat.
>>335737339
>Nice argument
Not my fault if you can't read a few posts above buddy.
>the difference at base Vit is negligible.
Feel free to think having up to 520 less/more effective life is negligible, if you refuse to use your brain and appeal to reason when shown the math I can't do anything for you.
>>335737746
Do you even play the game or something? If you're using a shield you're not using 2h on your weapon, that's less damage. Heavy armor don't slow your stamina regen at all. Like, never. Even when you're above 70%.
>>335737976
>Ever playing a male pyromancer
>LaughingWitchesOfIzalith.jpg
>>335737746
it actually does slow stamina regen above 70%. you would know this if you ever tried to wear heavy armor.
>>335738237
Your 520 health example is using full Havels. Which requires Vit. Which is objectively an inferior stat choice. It appears you can't even follow your own posts. Congrats.
>>335738251
>Bring Quelana tome to Cornyx
>Says only a woman could use this
>Give it to a woman
>She can easily teach it to a man
I don't get it
Is it written in some kind of ancient womanspeak?
Is chaos witch pyromancies mansplaining-proof?
Quelana herself could teach men, why can't her book instruct a man?
>>335727971
Upgrading armor in Dark Souls 1 was tedious and ruined the games balance, and made armor hard to compare on top of that.
Making armor have fixed stats and not being upgradeable was a good decision. One of the few good ones they made with this games mechanics.
>>335738251
>Not cosplaying Laurentius
>>335738003
>endurance
"yay I went from 102 stamina to 104, horray!"
Meanwhile it doesn't change the number of hits you can do without stopping and if it did it wouldn't matter because who the fuck spam in pvp and who needs more than 15 endurance to rape the pve content?
>>335738476
>gives you 520 more health
>"objectively inferior stat"
Are you stupid or something?
You can also just equip a catarina and you'll have a much better return for a minimal vit investment (which is what you should do anyway until they fix poise)
>>335738353
No it doesn't
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Stamina
" Unlike Dark Souls 2, Stamina regeneration does not increase when equipment load is under 50%. I tested it with a stopwatch, and with 97 Stamina it takes exactly 2.5 seconds to regenerate regardless of equipment load."
I'm getting tired of discussing with scrubs, you're all reddit-tier, I'm out.
>>335739153
It require roughly 50 levels for those 500. A terrible choice, otherwise people would be maxing vig. The fact is a point in Vit gets you less health than a post 27 point in vig, which no one does either.
>>335727971
I don't see a point in upgrading armor really. A weapon feels more "personal" than armor so upgrading is more logical with weapons.
>>335739153
you can quote that shitty wiki all you want, but it's often wrong. stamina regen is slower when you're fatrolling.
literally go test this out yourself
>>335727971
If the game doesnt want you getting hit, why even have armor that reduces physical damage at all? Why even play this when BB is more focused around dodging and avoiding and does so way better?
This bothers me as well, though thinking on it I suppose it doesnt actually matter.
I just want to wear the Knight starting armor for the whole game to be honest.
>>335735568
FAP ring? I'm casual sorry
>>335735575
>>335728408
But I want to play with every weapon. It's hard getting everything to +9 and +10
>>335742297
ring of favour and protection, it's just ring of favour in this game
>>335727971
I went to buy this game yesterday, Wow that might possibly be the shittiest box art I've seen in a long time.
So fucking ugly.
>>335742204
you can do that with base vitality, and it's probably your best bet, anything heavier really isn't worth the point investment unless you like how it looks.
>>335742365
>>335730041
Prepare for DS4 by an internal NB team (B team)
