Is the Beat'em up Genre over?
>>335708560
Don't die, thread. Is there anything along these lines on PC/PS3? How is the Yakuza series? etc.
>it's an "enemies who always try and stay just above/below you so you can't hit them" episode
>>335708560
It was a boring one button gameplay only worth it in coop
>>335708560
Is dragon's crown considered a beat em up?
play the StreetsOfRage:Remake
so good sega tried to shut it down with legal jewery
>>335708560
ITT: its 1996
>>335708560
I don't get why Dynasty Warrior-type games are considered a different genre from Beat'em ups.
Double Dragon Neon was a great game
Shame the dev cant code for shit and online multiplayer didnt work.
>>335709824
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>>335708560
>Is the Beat'em up Genre over?
Not exactly but its not over saturated either, like most games are. That is actually a good thing, may have a chance for some good games.
>>335708560
Not really, though its not super common either. Traditional beat em ups have come out over the past few years. Dragon's Crown being one of the more notable.
The genre as a whole has mostly evolved into games like Devil May Cry and Bayonetta though.
>>335710563
That's like asking "Why lawnmowers are considered different from scissors because they both cut, right?"
That said, "hack and slash" is the dumbest genre description ever. Just because you're not punching someone in the face doesn't make a game stop being a beat 'em up.
>>335710806
>evolved
>bayonetta
Fuck off, Kamiya.
>>335708560
It was over when Devil May Cry was released, that's what the modern beat 'em up is.
People who insist on calling those games "hack 'n' slash" can go fuck themselves. DMC, MGR:R, NG, Splatterhouse 2010, Golden Axe 2008, etc., etc. are all beat 'em ups.
>>335710361
Judt checked that remake out looks well made, still has the classif feel.
I would love a Comix zone remake
>>335710806
>evolved into games like Devil May Cry and Bayonetta
They are hack n slashs not beat um ups.
Likr God of war or ninja gaiden, hack n slashes
>>335708560
What about Bam Ham?
>>335708560
>>335710217
>fake 2.5D camera view
>>335711704
>>335711282
They're neither of those.
Natsume just announced a Western release of the latest River City Ransom, for what it's worth. Something to look forward to. That Streets of Rage 2 3DS port is pretty great as well.
>>335712912
>latest
Get your facts straight before shitposting
Theres a bunch of goofy chinese and korean beat em up games. Mostly mmo. Mostly grindy p2w.
>>335712912
For PC?
>>335713084
I wonder what china and korea would be like if they made games you don't have to grind in.
>>335711282
>They are hack n slashs not beat um ups.
Can you describe what the difference is?
>>335714468
According to that anon, it probably is that in one genre you use swords to hack and slash stuff, and in the other you don't.
That anon is full of shit though.
DFO is very much alive.
>>335715139
Thats what I thought too. As far as my understanding goes, they're pretty much the same type of game just in one game you use weapons and the other you don't. Which is a kinda dumb distinction.
>>335714468
Weapons really.
Dmc, Bayonetta, mgs risibg, ninja gaiden and gow are all hack n slashes.
Really we dont have many modern beat um ups anymore, but the definition is hand to hand melee combat.
A quick Google search would explain for you
>>335715139
>That anon is full of shit though.
>never played a beat um up game
>>335710976
This. They just evolved differently when they went 3D. Still the same genre.
>>335716024
So God Hand is a beat em up, and Golden Axe is a hack n slash?
You're a retard.
>>335713003
Oh piss off. Sorry I don't memorize every little detail of video game news. I just read about it in passing a few days ago. Is it not the newest game in the series?
>>335713114
3DS
Will Mother Russia bleeds ever come out
River City Ransom: Underground is coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXoaIHtGgmQ
They got the rights to use Abobo as well.
>>335716205
>God Hand
Beat um up
>golden axe side scrolling beat um up/ hack n slash
Thats how they are defined by genre so yeah.....retard
>>335716871
>shit rap in the video
It's already garbage.
>>335716024
Honestly, thats a pretty retarded separation of genre when functionally they perform the same.
>>335708560
i'm playing Double Dragon Neon and getting my ass kicked. It's kinda slow, dodging is lame, I should just be able to hold L and keep ducking instead of it being a quick duck. I have to press it and a direction each time I want roll. Also the whip bitches are too hard to dodge
>>335718803
Im not the one who define genres but like music, a little difference is how its defined.
For me really the pace of a game is the real thing, while arkham are beat um up/puzzle games, ass Creed are hack n slash/stealth/parkor game, where the combat works very similar.
I always think gow or ninja gaiden combat speed is hack n slash.
Arkham combat speed is beat um up
>>335718803
It's retarded because it's not true, that anon is an idiot.
Hack 'n' slash games are Gauntlet, Diablo, Sacred, etc.
Devil May Cry and the like ARE NOT HACK 'N' SLASH. Hack 'n' slash has never meant "Just a beat 'em up but with weapons" but for some reason there are still retards who insist it does.
Maybe, and that's a big maybe, you could argue musou games are close enough to the principles of hack 'n' slash that you could classify them as such but definitely not DMC style games, they are just beat 'em ups with some mechanics borrowed from platformers and fighting games.
>>335719750
But steam says that DMC and Killer is Dead are Hack n Slash, so you are a liar anon, very very bad.
>>335719994
Actually, they call them "hack and slash", not "hack 'n' slash". It's the term the retards invented rather than just admitting they didn't know what a hack 'n' slash was.
Punch club.
>>335719750
Devil May Cry and the like are hack n slash. Hack n slash games are fast paced combat focused with weapons.
Like dmc, God of war and ninja gaiden.
Just wiki these games ffs, they will be classed action/adventure/hack n slash games
Idk what the original gauntles was classed as but diablo is an isomectric action, rpg, hack n slash to my knowledge
Ive never played them, not my type of games.
Nor are hack n slashes tbqh
Double Dragon 30th Anniversary reboot when?
>>335720336
Genres are and have changed over the generations, as I was a kid Street fighter was called a beat um up, it wasnt until fighting games defined their own genre that they were classified as fighting games over beat um ups.
Same with hack and slash games, over beat um ups, the latter being the more hand to hand weapon based 3D games of the last few generations.
>>335721935
>beat um ups
>um
>>335721342
Even disregarding using Wiki as a source of info, its not uncommon for games to be listed by improper genre. There have been many games classified as MMOs for instance that were nothing more than just four player online games like PSO for instance.
More than beat-em-ups themselves I miss that lighthearted take on tough streets they had going on. Going out into the streets and kicking the shit out of mohawked punks, dominatrixes and pro wrestlers is something that never got old for me.
>>335708560
>Beat-'em-ups
>Not belt-scrollers.
>>335722247
>grammar nazi for informal abbreviations
Ohhh i'm sorry
"Em"
>>335722282
There is no harm in using wiki as a starting point of brief info. Especially on conversations like this.
Wiki is user based, assuming a lot of these popular games wiki pages are done by Dev or publishers pr and/or marketing team.
Also genres and classifications are informal really, just as with most artistic media. The classification and genres are created by critics and journalists.
For an example most people class hitman games as stealth/action games, where most hardcore hitman fans would class them as puzzle games.
They are both genres in realty, well a mix of both
>>335722960
Anon you seem disproportionately bent out of shape about this
>>335708560
It peaked with Streets of Rage Remake. Nobody should be passing this amazing game up
>>335723924
>>335710361
>Unbalanced fan-game
>Good
It's not even the best SOR game.
>>335724135
spotted the SEGA shill
i didnt know they had jews in japan
>>335711608
yes but then they ruined it by making 80 games, instead of different heroes.
>>335725272
I'm more of a Capcom guy when it comes to belt-scrollers, but that's besides the point. I wasn't really that impressed by SOR Trilogy and I get the impression most of its praise comes from the fact it was pulled off from the interwebz upon its release than anything else.
>>335725787
your impression is mistaken, its great
try it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0T8NdU0u3U
>>335726169
I played it and I wasn't impressed. Then again, I think SOR as a series is a bit overrated.
>>335715327
This. Every thread this.
>hurr beatemups r ded
>3rd most profitable online game in the world is a beatemup
>>335726983
How can DFO be the third most profitbable game? Didn't it already die once and change hands a few times?
>>335708560
Am I objectively correct in saying that Double Dragon Advance is the best game in the series?
>>335727181
DFO is huge in Asia, almost as big as WoW. It isn't as successful in the West but it's still going strong.
>>335727539
It might as well be. It's pretty much all the best elements from 1, 2 and Super rolled into one.
someone mentioned it above and I agree that arkham combat games are the modern version of beat em ups
Imagine a world where people actually bought Die Hard Arcade instead of Fighting Force. At the very least, the genre would've lasted a few more years.
>>335729026
only if you turn off all the casualized elements in the options
then it's like a really meh beat em up with exploration crap attached
>>335708560
Give me Dragons Crown for PC and I'm back in.
>>335729026
lolno, too much handholding, story bullshit and focus on counter crap
Last games that I remember trying to implement a "modern" version of a beat em up are Spikeout and MK Shaolin Monks. Urban Reign and Spartan Total Warrior also deserve a mention. I don't think the combo autist Devil May Cry games or other single-player focused games like God of War or Splatterhouse really capture the essence of the genre either. Beat em ups were always designed around bro-op. Sengoku Basara is fucking awesome, but not quite like it either.
>>335729026
Nope. There's no crowd control, there's no proper grabs, the positioning does not matter, enemies pose no threat other than being able to break your combo, it's all just really simple timing.
What do you do once perfection is achieved?
>>335729861
>Beat em ups were always designed around bro-op.
>can hit each other
>if there's no friendly damage then strategic positioning and varied movesets become mostly irrelevant
>no co-op moves in most games
>second player is often more dangerous than your enemies
>games become much more difficult
Co-op in these games always felt like an afterthought 2bh.
So where do CURAZHY games play into this beat-em-up/hack-n'-slash debacle? Games like DMC, Kingdom Hearts, MGR, Wonderful 101?
>>335729861
Oh, and of course the combat in Yakuza is pretty cool too. But that game is more like an ARPG with beat em up combat.
>>335730254
It pretty much was. The only reason Double Dragon had co-op was because Technos thought Renegade could've been more profitable if two persons were playing at the same time.
Best beat 'em up to come out in 15 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhqZ2tMHqVc
Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden, God Of War, Metal Gear Rising, Darksiders, Nier 2. I'd say the genre is doing pretty okay OP.
>>335727539
Probably, although I like Super quite a bit, the soundtrack is dynamite. Then II on NES
>>335730264
They are beat em ups but a very different kind that focuses more on execution-heavy combos, expressive play and complicated boss fights rather than things like crowd control and positioning. They're great but in their own ways. God Hand is the only one that feels like an old school beat em up while still keeping some of that cuhrayzee appeal.
>>335710976
Hmm, never thought of it this way anon.. Thanks.
I'd still love some COOP beat em up. Closest I cam think of is that Platinum Turtles game.
>>335730254
The main appeal of them was playing them with your bro. I remember spending huge amounts of time with my younger brother playing Dynasty Warriors for the same reason. The fact that the games didn't/did have all that crap you mentioned is just because your mind is sullied by the modern idea that games need to be over-designed and have faggot shit like tag team moves to have a certain appeal. In this case co-op, which is always a bit competitive and not about teamwork.
>>335729136
This is one of the few games that I don't mind the QTE in
>>335716343
I ask myself this every month.
So what are the games that define the genre and than a fan must play?
>>335710315
The RPG elements ruin it.
Why does everything have to have stats and levels nowadays?
>>335730907
>The main appeal of them was playing them with your bro.
To whom? I enjoyed playing Streets of Rage 2 with my friends as much as the next guy but it was a very shallow experience. I only truly started appreciating the genre when playing it alone and seeing all the depth it offers under that simplistic surface. It's like saying that arcade games were designed for credit feeding just because most people played them that way.
>>335729861
>>335729861
>Spikeout and MK Shaolin Monks
Actually I forgot all about The Red Star and Spyborgs
>>335726983
It's an MMORPG with light beat 'em up elements. Doesn't count.
>>335731079
I'd say Double Dragon Advance, Final Fight, Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, Streets of Rage 2, Guardians, Violent Storm.
>>335731290
Final Fight Streetwise
>>335731235
>To whom?
To everyone else. Normal people don't care about that "depth" you keep going on about (not that I don't)
No one talk about this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7wABpMF1S8
>>335708560
HOPEFULLY.
>>335731705
It was. Why does nobody read the thread before they post now?
And why does it look graphically less impressive than Streets of Rage? For fuck's sake.
>>335731198
Stats and levels give players a sense of progression. Both in terms of allowing them to get more powerful without having to get any better at the game, and from the visible existence of the treadmill itself.
Devs use this as a cheap way of getting people into games.
>>335731705
All the hitstop and screenshake bothers me far more than it should. It's like indie devs don't know how to make games feel good to play without it. Might be ok otherwise though.
>>335731705
there's no way my mom will let me play this
>>335732104
I'll try to convince her for you tonight ;)
>>335731705
Release game, baguette.
>>335731869
Streets of rage looks dated as fuck.
It's braindead and repetitive as fuck, but I had fun.
I really liked the idea of having multiple lanes instead of punching through someone's feet and doing no damage.
>>335731990
There has to be a balance. Without it your attacks feel floaty and weak. The trailer probably amped up the shake too btw.
>>335732278
lol, dated like I dated your mom? Faggot.
>>335732204
it's two tokens now, not one
>>335732446
It's entirely possible to make hits feel powerful with the animations, enemy reactions and sound effects alone without relying on cheap things like that. Plenty of arcade games did just that. Wouldn't mind if it was like in The Punisher, though.
>>335732687
No, just dated. Much like your jokes, comebacks, tastes, and sense of style and artistic direction.
>>335732687
>>335732387
Does this run better on the PC
>>335732963
>Artistic direction
ya blew it
>>335733117
Yeah it looks better. Look at that bland as fuck background and character models on the right.
>>335733117
left looks a lot better
the right looks like a $2 cell phone game
>>335710563
>I don't get why Dynasty Warrior-type games are considered a different genre from Beat'em ups.
It's just an evolution of the genre.
Hack and slash is derived from beat em ups like beat em ups were derived from fightan games.
>>335733356
Show me your two dollar mobile game.
>>335719750
Diablo is not hack'n'slash. These opinions should be disregarded as idiotic.
>>335733117
Is that an Atari Lynx port on the left?
>>335733614
You just did
>>335733692
Nice try baguette but your game looks trash
>>335733726
So nothing then. Sorry, I can't compare nothing.
>>335733964
That was a serious question, I remember watching a longplay of it and for the record, I thought it was pretty neat.
>>335733117
Right still looks better.
>>335733649
Hack 'n' slash is a style of RPG campaigns.
>>335734095
>gradient filters
>the club logo is just a Photoshop graphic downscaled and passed off as pixelart
>blur on sprites
M8 if you want a high-res aesthetic then that's fine but you have to be consistent, maybe hire an artist who can do high-res animations. If you're shit at drawing and colouring, sprites won't hide it and filters won't hide it either.
>>335734095
>poster on the left
БANE?
>>335734095
It's called an allegory you autist
It was over nearly 2 decades ago.
>>335734603
Buy a dictionary, /v/ermin.
>>335734779
suck my dick choke on it
They were a shallow, button-mashy, rehashed genre.
Yeah, you could memorize every enemy spawn player and become god at it, but what's the point? They don't even have any interesting scoring systems (like shmups) or fighting styles (like versus fighting games). People only remember them because they were fun time-wasters to play with buddies.
>>335734891
Wrong board for hookups, faggot.
fun games are fun
https://youtu.be/CIeoNdBZ8FI
>>335735104
>implying it's only about memorizing enemy spawn points
Also does it have to be a fucking competition? It's not like you have to choose between shmups or beat em ups, you can play them both. If you want single player melee combat then old school beat em ups are the best genre for it easily.
>>335735104
>People only remember them because they were fun time-wasters to play with buddies.
All vidya games are fun time-wasters, anon.
>>335732387
Do yourself a favor and play Guardian Heroes, it's faster and tougher with a whole bunch of story path branches. Code of Princess was suppose to it's successor but it unfortunately turned out to be a lite-version. Also the OST is ridiculous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBTkqv6GsRk
Who Ninja Warriors Again here?
>>335735104
most games after final fight try to make the combat more varied past pressing A multiple times.
knights of the round had a block mechanic that really changed how you should play.
later games had special moves or variable combos, different ways to attack, stuff like that.
Best Beat em up theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeAkONI7T2c
>>335723924
SoRR has balance issues out the ass.
>>335736539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC-B3Q0cRrY
now and forever
>>335736626
YES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPfALxJoY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWBf7Ncd8UE
>>335736626
don't forget best elevator theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZFloT80zWc
I played some of this at PAX East: http://lobowithshotguns.com/
The art was really good but the gameplay was not. Hopefully it will improve.
>>335736539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk1ZsTYLDKU
>>335733125
I didn't know there was a PC version. Welp, time to sell those steam cards.
>>335737546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl9Nz-X4M68
>Yakuza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5523wIfvTEo&index=5&list=PLHIg0uDVJMVxqmJDqLe8HNYBc2RDdujoN
>>335708560
scott pilgrim needs to come to steam
>>335736382
I like the original too.
I bought Streets of Fury EX on steam just 3 hours ago.
It's worth it.
>>335738178
None of my local arcades ever carried it. Wish I could experience the three monitor display and Daddy Mulk.
>>335737198
>http://lobowithshotguns.com/
I don't hate the art style, but it looks under-animated in their videos. Also if that grain effect is in the actual game that should go away.
All of these horrid effects people add to 2d games gives me cancer. You have people adding screen curvature, scan lines, chromatic aberration, film grain, and all kinds of other terrible shit.
>>335738465
Bob Lennon was my absolute favorite character in that game until I found out he's a french youtuber and he actually enjoys dressing like that.
>no new run & gun shooties
>no new beat them ups
>no new shumps
>no new (non-meme) platformers
Why must all good things come to an end?
>>335738679
Yeah it is a bit under-animated, I agree. I think the grain effect is used due to the Grindhouse reference. I don't mind it, but an option to turn it off would be good.
Post your PTSD
>>335738817
>no new shumps
Pay more attention to recent releases you fag. Raiden V just came out recently, for christ's sake.
>>335730319
RENEGADE
>>335736016
What it say?
>>335736579
sure it does sega
i really liked cadillacs and dinosaurs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCHNdexxKxQ
>>335739994
Just gameplay information and tips.
>>335721565
I want the woman who did art for DD2: The Revenge to come back.
She also did a manga about what I can surmise to be about a space caveman with a gigantic fucking axe.The name of it is GALO.Yes, seriously, and it came out years before that fucking video.
>>335738817
Run and Gun is what hurts the most. Shumups and bumumps get an occasional indy or online game.
>>335740923
>tfw Isao "Oyaji" Abe and Syun "Kobekko" Nishigaki will never do music again
>>335744206
That's because nobody can get that shit right anymore.
I think the hardest thing to do with them is getting the balance between enemy/boss HP and player weapons just right. You don't want either the bosses or weapons to be too weak and you don't want shit to take too long either, or it becomes boring and predictable.
Pic related, what a great looking sack of shit, and a colossal pain in the ass to play through.
Even though, on a technical level, it has more gameplay to it than Metal Slug, it is insanely less refined, to the point where I think the entire team that worked on it, pretty much said "let's not fuck this up ever again" when working on the first MS.
In before some asshole says cuphead. No, that's pretty much just a shmup. Especially with the absolute dogshit weapon variety.
>>335743013
Last time I looked Kazumi Kakizaki up, she was doing some educational war manga for a series of anthologies.
>>335744785
I hate bullet sponge way of boss balancing, and you reminded me of how unimaginative the current wave of devs are.
>>335745007
Fuck yeah, that's the one!
>>335745210
Exactly.
Speaking of which, holy fuck was Gunstorm 2 bad about this shit.
Even worse is that your default peashooter was absolute rancid shit, even for run and gun standards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9X_Cueygz0
>oh... perfect.
Dragons Crown was the last good one and the devs confirmed they will never do another Western release because of the amount of people who bitched about tits.
>>335735397
I like how your character's look changes as you progress, you start out with pleb gear and end up in full plate. Kind of a neat touch from a beat'em up for that time
>>335739193
Raiden V is a Xone "exclusive"
>>335746123
but they are putting out odin sphere again.
and it has just as much tits
>>335708560
No, but like most genres, it's been forgotten by the industry and so you need to rely on smaller/indie developers to continue it. And like most genres, it's a fair bit different than back in the 90s.
Most people just aren't interested in buying a 30 minute game which anyone can sit down and complete without too much difficulty.
>>335738620
>>335716294
Not him but River City Ransom isn't a series. The two previous River City Ransom games were both localizations of Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari. The newest one coming out in Japan in a little over a month is Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari SP, another remake.
The one being localized is the Kunio-Kun game that came out about 3 years ago.
>>335747042
