memes aside, what went right?
Design, gunplay, loot system. Some skills were cool as well.
Gaige
>very limited classes at release
>rest of the classes locked behind dlc
>/v/ loves it
This place sure has changed
>>335689017
No friends to play with
Nothing. 1 is a much better game.
the music
>>335689131
>loot system
Krieg
I like the art style, I feel like it got more chance to shine I'm this game
Other than that? Nothing
Torgue weapons were fun to use.
>>335689017
Gameplay.
All those classes, all those skills, all those little mechanics, all that gear.
Was fun to play with friends. That's about it.
>>335689017
Nothing
The series is shit as a whole
Better art style and more varied environments.
More varied enemies.
Better looking guns.
Weapon variety and leveling wasn't necessarily better though.
>>335689017
That feeling as after all that hard effort pounding a boss and he shoots his loot all over you and then you get to play around in it.
>>335689264
It launched with the same amount of classes as 1 and 1 didn't even get any extra characters.
Literally just Krieg. The only good thing about the game was a DLC character. That's how bad 2 was.
Melee zero was a very fun class. Needed more tough arenas though, raid bosses are spongy and not fun.
>>335689017
nothing. They stole this game visual style from some music video without crediting it. Game itself is a slogfest
It became successful for the same reason Division became successful, excluding tech.
>>335689383
What am I looking at here.
>>335689131
I love borderlands but loot system in 2 is garbage and so is the weapon balance.
ARs are useless and very few snipers are worth it amongst other things.
It was better than 2 in every single way, which makes it seem good looking back, but honestly it was just kind of dull
tales from the borderlands blew away the main series
>>335689017
Krieg
That's it
>>335689398
Ma psycho nigga
>>335689398
Came here to post this
>>335689017
I remember trying to enjoy it when it was "free" on PS+, it hardly felt like an online game people just came and left and most of the time I was doing quests alone.
Am I the only one who loves borderlands 1 but hates 2 and pre-memequel?
>>335689535
Whoops, missed one nigga
>>335689786
The loot system is shit, you get torrents of whites and greens from bosses and loot chests and if you want any decent guns you have to farm bosses and shit as they have pretty low drop rates. Just playing through the story normally I never felt like I got anything really cool or useful and that I was starved for upgrades constantly, not fun in that regard.
>>335690149
1 story was shit as fuck
>>335689383
I really like loot system tho
>>335689508
>sequel doesn't improve on the first game's features
doesn't justify it
>>335689017
inspiring the Pre-Sequel
>>335690269
>wahh you have to farm in an arpg?!
>why wont the vendors and low tier chests hand me end game loot!?
kys
>>335690271
who gives a fuck about the story
1 had guns that functioned as actual guns, not gay gimmicky shit, and you had stuff that was neat like proficiencies
not much desu. weapon feedback is garbage, and that is one of the most important aspect of an fps
You faggots better not support Gearbox when memelands 3 comes out
I am sick of their anti-consumer bullshit and you should be too.
>>335690454
here is your replay
>>335690601
What have they done that is anti-consumer?
Also Anthony "My wifes son" Burch is gone and the guy who wrote BL1 is the main writer now. So doubtful it'll have the title Memelands.
ITT i hate fun xD
>>335690271
Way better than the shitfest that was 2 or TPS.
>>335689017
nothing, it's a load of shit that sacrificed everything that made the first enjoyable
>>335689017
One of the best split screen games to play.
>>335690442
>bl2
>arpg
>bl2
>"endgame"
>>335689017
Can this be a Borderlands general too? Because I want to play BL1 splitscreen with my gf but local coop is dead on pc. What are my options?Or can someone tell me if Diablo3 has local coop on pc? She likes the original
>>335690734
They took Atari's money which was meant for Alien Colonial Marines, showed a bunch of awesome footage to the press/public (a completely different build/game), shat out Colonial Marines at full price, total bait and switch, and that budget went into Borderlands 2
Fuck them. I will never buy their shit again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88CvPKNl_xk
>i-i-i-i-i-i-i-its s-s-shit
>>335691010
>literally an action game
>literally has tons of rpg elements
>literally has bosses and areas you cant do until end game
>literally scales with level
Here is your (you)
>>335691098
>>335690770
I like these games but you need to kill yourself.
>>335690454
>proficiencies
I wasn't really a fan of those.
>>335691090
People were expecting that game to be anything but garbage in the first place?
And wasn't it Sega's money, not Atari?
>>335689017
Fuck Gearbox and fuck Randy Pitchford.
>>335691090
>the actual game looks different from the demo they showed
>basically like every other game at e3
If they fix at least a few problems BL3 will probably be pretty good.
>Make assault riffles suck less
>Separate pistols and revolvers
>Make enemy HP/damage scaling not spiral out of control
>More interesting skills
>>335691259
Shit, I confused Atari with Sega, they're both irrelevant anyways so I was close at least
>>335691286
The AI was fucking broken (meanwhile they showed that the AI was totally advanced and awesome). The game was unplayable at release, meanwhile all this shit that they showed off looked awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk3aruZIZyo
>>335691519
>(meanwhile they showed that the AI was totally advanced and awesome)
I know this might blow your mind, but a lot of E3 presentations are scripted as fuck.
>>335691187
>shooters are now action games
>no stats, no dialogue choices, one active ability "tons of rpg elements"
>bl2
>endgame
>reloading the same are to kill the same guy over and over again for a decent gun is really fun instead of naturally getting upgrades as you progress
>vendors selling nothing but shit the entire game is good design
>chests containing nothing but shit is rewarding
>>335691808
Have you never played Diablo? Because Borderlands is literally just a mediocre FPS + mediocre Diablo clone. What you seem to be expecting is a completely different kind of game together.
>>335689017
Pretty much everything. The game was actually really good.
The shooting felt solid. Enemy mobs were often very intense. The drop rate for loot and gear was spot on. The loot and gear was actually good. And pretty much all the character classes were fun. While there a lot of annoying fetch quest stuff, it wasn't terrible. Borderlands 2 walked the edge.
Borderlands the PreSequel messed up cause the missions were horrible and a lot of the character classes weren't fun.
>>335691513
>>Make assault riffles suck less
What? Vladof and Atlas ARs in BL1/2 were amazing.
>>Separate pistols and revolvers
They are. They even have different ammo. Repeater pistol and revolver.
>>Make enemy HP/damage scaling not spiral out of control
It doesn't if you have the proper gear. Of course stuff is going to take ages to kill and kill you instantly if you are undergeared for whatever area you are in.
>>More interesting skills
There are tons of builds for each class. All revolving around different skills.
>>335691808
>shooters arent action games!
>BAR arent stats!
>proficiency isnt a stat!
>passives which augment your active isnt an rpg element!
>complaining about farming to get the god roll gear, just like in every other arpg
>vendors literally can sell legendaries
>chests can literally give you pearls and legendaries, but that isnt rewarding!
>literally a dlc where you open hundreds of chests where you get tons of gear isnt rewarding
Pleb that hasn't even played the game and basis his opinion off autists on the internet detected.
>>335689131
>Design
In what respect? The PS2-tier graphics? The jerky unnatural animations? The horribly paced cutscenes with god awful sound design? The completely unbalanced classes? The horrible writing?
>Gunplay
Borderlands has, and probably always will have, some of the least interesting and samey gunplay of any game series. Within a certain category of gun, say handguns, all the weapons you'll get feel exactly the same to use.
>Loot system
Getting 99.9% useless garbage is not a good loot system, and all you could do was sell the useless shit you got but since money was also totally superfluous that money didn't matter. At least some games that give you a shit ton of garbage loot let you break it down into upgrade materials or have their currency actually do something meaningful in game.
>tfw got last achievement this year
>tfw cant find any reason to play anymore
>had game always installed since launch
only reason i can play MP to give weapons to people
>>335692265
In BL1 yes
In BL2 even Vladof just flat out doesn't have enough damage per bullet a lot of the time to keep up with other weapon types, especially with how fast they chew through ammo. You can get lucky with good drops of course or get some good shit like the Ogre but they have a higher trash:good ratio than other weapon types.
What are even the memes in BL2?
>>335689017
gunplay, design and co-op It's fun as fuck with friends.
>>335692265
>What? Vladof and Atlas ARs in BL1/2 were amazing.
In BL1 they're fine. In BL2 you're way more likely to get a garbage AR than a usable one due to their often low damage and accuracy. Especially from things without unique effects.
>They are. They even have different ammo. Repeater pistol and revolver.
Not in BL2.
>It doesn't if you have the proper gear.
Have you even played BL2 past NG+? Fuck off, shit gets retarded and Slag being absolutely mandatory to do normal damage is also retarded
>There are tons of builds for each class. All revolving around different skills.
And a lot of them are +5% [stat] or "Kill thing for temporary buff"
In BL3 I'd really like them to integrate some sort of gun respec system that way if I find a fun gun I like I don't have to trade it in for a boring gun that does more damage due to scaling
>>335689017
fun game. damn shame all the cheating and gun editing killed random pugging.
>>335691907
In Diablo you have a bit more to worry about than "shotgun or pistol" when it comes to stats and builds and you have a lot more in terms of abilities than shoot, grenade and 1 cooldown ability, maybe if you consider BL2 an incredibly watered down Diablo in that regard.
Diablo was also a lot better with giving out upgrades as you progressed, which is my contention with BL2 (especially when compared to BL1). I'm not expecting oranges and purples around every corner, but you can't seriously think that the vendor constantly being packed with nothing but whites even in the item of the day and the loot chests having whites and greens constantly is any fun either.
>>335689017
It is actually fun to have some RPG mechanics in a shooter. Drop the backwards progression (you can headshot enemies at level 2 but at level 36 you have to headshot them with 5 full mags) and we'll talk.
The atmosphere was good, they made some beautiful areas. Music is good when it's not battle music.
Reboot it though. The comedy is awful. I mean Margaret Cho meets Kathy Griffin bad. Tiny Tina and Claptrap are possibly the worst characters ever voiced. The plots areweak and need a better hook than the vault.
Better gun types and less trash drops. If everything is dropping garbage give me more inventory space right from the start. Go back to letting you focus on weapon types.
Basically BL needs to be in better hands than Gearbox.
>>335692265
>posts screenshot evidence of the game constantly throwing up crappy loot and how that is unfun bullshit
>y-you haven't even played!
>>335692583
I think it's important that the games make you try out new weapons. Often I reluctantly switch to a new weapon but end up liking it more when I've gotten used to it.
brehs
why did TPS have to be so bland?
i cant even be fucked to get all the achievements
everything except the loot system.
everything in 2 was 1 step ahead of 1, but the loot system was like 20 steps back, and totally outweighed all the other improvements.
It's a shame, I really, really wanted to like 2 and it doess have a lot to like. Would kill for a mod that makes the unique/legendary drop mechanics work like they did in 1
>>335689131
>implying
>>335689017
It got super popular, so /v/ had to start pretending to hate it.My only real flaw with it is that it's a bit slow paced.
>>335692582
I don't think the ARs in BL2 are necessarily bad. Just outclassed by guns like Sandhawk and Herald.
OP+8 with 180K BAR, slag is not needed. Don't spec like shit and you will be fine.
>>335692803
>opens up lowest tier chest and shows vendors scaled to level 29 from the beginning of the game
>literally played the game once only to level 34
>i-i-i-i-i played it!
>>335692265
>shooters are shooters
>a couple of weapon stats is comparable to the stats of any real rpg worth its salt
>a couple of passives to your one active ability is comparable to the plethora of abilities you get in any real rpg
>farming instead of getting upgrades as you progress is good design for anything not an mmo
>vendors constantly sell nothing but whites to the point blue may as well be legendary status
>chests also pulling this same shit
>having to pay real money for a chance at good items
Just terrible.
>>335692823
Those "new weapons" happen to be reskins of your old weapons except with a slightly different effect tho
>>335693138
I think there's a fair variety.
>>335689131
>design
What a baseless complement.
>gunplay
Cone spread randomization is an awful mechnic on an already shallow gameplay setup (shooting). It's not as if the game has interesting mobility or multiple skills per character.
>loot system
Exponential stats per level is 0/10.. The purple elemental that modifies damage is also a really uninteresting meta.
An RPG should be more than damage and health stats, and a shooter should be more than Aim and Shoot: The Game.
>>335689383
>that damage scaling over just a few levels
>>335692265
>BAR arent stats!
They're not, really. Name me one other game that has multiple stats but only gives you a randomly chosen subset of them to choose from when you're able to increase one.
>proficiency isnt a stat!
It's not even in BL2.
>complaining about farming to get the god roll gear, just like in every other arpg
It's not about getting perfect rolls, it's about getting the fucking gear period.
>vendors literally can sell legendaries
The probabilities of legendaries showing up in BL2 vendors is absurdly low, whereas they were a rare but existent option for the items of the day in BL1.
>chests can literally give you pearls and legendaries, but that isnt rewarding!
You seem to keep mixing points from both games when the main issues people have are with the second one. From what I recall, pearls in BL2 were never possible to get from chests, only from loot midgets and certain DLC bosses.
>literally a dlc where you open hundreds of chests where you get tons of gear isnt rewarding
Not as much as you might think since you have to spend a good chunk of currency on said chests to make them anything other than the standard shit, unlike in Knoxx.
>>335693454
torgue vendors always have oranges and one of the best oranges in the game DPUH
>>335693972
Only Torgue legendaries, and it's also DLC. The problem is unchanged in the base game and other DLCs.
>>335694246
borderlands 2 is one of the few games where DLC is done right
more story mode, more raid bosses, more weapons
>wam bam island music
fucking based
>>335689764
stop.
Who Maya here ?
What's your build/gear ?
I'm level 60 and I know about the memehawk but I have no idea what shield to get in endgame. Right now I have all my level50legendaries (Slagga, Unkempt Harold, Hellfire) but I'm starting to feel the scaling
Krieg and Gaige
>>335693454
>The probabilities of legendaries showing up in BL2 vendors is absurdly low, whereas they were a rare but existent option for the items of the day in BL1.
the funny part is, that farming vendors is the fastest way of getting good gear
>>335695874
You've been feeling the scaling since level 52 dude.
>>335695874
fire sandhawk and bee
>>335689017
the entire game was meh but 2 player was nice
krieg was fucking great
uhhh the bosses are all shit "lol we all have AOE attacks" not fun
>when a white pistol on UVMH is better than your orange raifu
>>335689017
The art is pretty good, everything else is shit.
>>335690442
The fact that you can *EASILY* dupe items in this game kills any and all motivation for me to farm. Seriously, whats the point?
>>335696765
Well 2bh I only feel like I literally can't get farther if I keep the same weapons. I rely on slag + poison cloud to get kills, it's starting to be ridiculous
decent soundtrack, i like jesper kyd
the game felt like mmo-tier busywork. my friend and i had no interest in returning to it. it doesn't outright suck, its just that at the end of an 1.5 hour session, i'm fully ready for it to be over, and the thought of returning to it is never very strong. the gameplay feels a bit flat. it doesn't feel like a world, the objectives are always "go here, kill this". never "sneak in here" or any true objective related stuff. the environments feel static.
>>335695874
I like the Antagonist. Bee is also good
>>335689017
I liked the music, the visuals, and the gameplay itself was pretty fun, I played the whole thing coop and enjoyed it
>>335697020
you can cheat in any game
why play
fuck games
>>335698959
there were 0 preventative measures stopping people from going online and getting god weapon dupes.
the easiest way to achieve something is the way most people will do things. Dev team couldn't be assed to fix simple exploits.
>axton
>maya
>zero
>krieg
>snow levels look nice
>skill tree is ok
>those bandits that had the small heads and level up upon killing something
things wrong
>writing outside of handsome jack is awful
>bl1 player characters are painful to listen to outside of brick but even he becomes awful in the end
>no end game on
>ng+ is really boring
>>335690149
I liked 1 and was looking forward to 2, hated 2, and when went I back to play B1, I couldn't figure out why I ever liked it.
>>335691519
>Shit, I confused Atari with Sega, they're both irrelevant anyways so I was close at least
Not even close. You could try researching a topic before you try to talk about it.
>>335691691
You're also a fucktard. They even got sued because they ripped off SEGA.
