Now that almost 1 month has passed. Can we all agree?
DaS > BB > DeS > DaS3 > DaS2
DLCs (so far)
Old Hunters > AotA > Crowns
we can sure agree that the whole series is good and it makes perfect sense that everyone would have different favorites
can we agree these threads are fucking stupid?
>>335678353
DS2(SotFS)>DS>DS1>DS3
>retards thinking BB is part of the souls series
DeS = DaS > DaS3 >>>> DaS2: SotFS > DaS2
Any other opinion is pretty much idiocy.
>>335678640
NOOOOOOOOOOO
>>335678353
I still don't understand people who unironically place Das so high.
It's like you selectively forgot how bad some of the boss fights were.
>>335679349
The whole series is uneven. The games are better than the sum of their parts.
BB > DeS > DaS > DaS 3 > DaS 2
As long as you have 2 last I'm okay with your personal ranking.
>>335678353
DaS2>DaS1>DeS
Haven't played Bloodborne or DaS3 yet.
>>335679349
It has the best lore, best characters, best OST, and the second best atmosphere
>>335679465
Is BB worth buying a PS4 if you already have a gaming PC?
never had a ps3 so never got to play des
ds1 > bb (very close to first) > ds3 (very close second) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>ds2
aota > crowns > toh
>>335679590
>Best OST
That's debatable.
>>335678353
>unfinished mess is the best
No.
BB = DS3 > DeS = DS1 >>> DS2 Ivory King >>> rest of DS2
>>335679602
imagine ds3 is bb (basically is just slightly slower combat) without parrying pistols, shields, and quickstep. i wouldn't spend x amount of dollars to play one game and not touch the system again.
No
BB>DS>DS2SotFS>DS3>DS2
>>335679602
BB is great but I wouldn't recommend getting a PS4 only for one game, do some research first and find other games that you might like.
>>335679602
just fucking buy a PS4 from bestbuy, open it, beat bloodborne, and return the ps4 in 30 days.
DS3 > BB >DS1 > DS2
Just ignore any other opinion as it's biased and wrong
>>335679883
oops
BB>DS2:SotFS>DS:PtDE>DeS>DS>DS3>DS2
>>335679590
best lore? no, both demon's souls and bloodborne have better lore, dark souls lore is shlocky as fuck
best characters? fair enough
best OST? no way, bloodborne destroys it
BB > DaS > DeS > DaS 3 > DaS 2
>>335680043
demon's souls isn't even in there, and dark souls is stale as fuck at this point
here's the real answer
BB > DeS > DaS > DaS3 = DaS2
>>335679590
>Best OST
Subjective. Imo BB has the best boss music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3bityYL1G8
>>335678353
Does the lock on camera get better from DaS1? I've finally installed the game and am giving it my first run through now and it's really the only complaint I have.
Honestly, this game controls so similarly to OoT I can't help but draw the z-targeting comparison and Zelda really did have the better camera logic for locking on.
Also thinking about rebinding to have a shoulder button for locking on. Good idea or bad?
DS1 > DS3 > DeS > DS2
DaS>DaS3=BB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DaS2
BB = DS > DS3 > DS2 > DeS
I went back and watched some DeS gameplay today, it was shit:
>dodge window is extremely forgiving
>gimmickey bosses akin to Bed of Chaos and Yhorm the Giant (not to mention "hit my weak point" Adjudicator)
>Shrine of Storms 2-4
DeS = DaS1 > BB > DaS3 > DaS2
Come at me brevs
>>335678815
DS2(SotFS)>DS1>DS3>DS
>>335678353
I agree with games but not dlc. DS2 has top tier dls despite game itself being shit.
>>335678353
>Can we all agree?
No retard, where exactly do you think you are?
>putting ds1 or even des above ds3
nostalgia goggles
Opinion>Opinion>Opinion>Opinion>Opinion
>>335680305
DeS gets a pass on all of that because muh sony exclusive and hipster cred
>>335680305
>gimmicky bosses are a bad thing
>"gameplay" in souls games amounts to "combat and bosses"
yeah okay dumb shit, go back to your dark souls 2 fight club
>>335680362
DLCs had the same pacing issue for the most part but some great bosses and vastly improved level design
>>335680390
DeS has the best level design by far.
>>335680371
fan service 3 the unnecessary direct sequel is the best dude!
>>335680371
DS1 to this day is the only one that feels like a proper adventure where you get lost into a strange hostile land because no instant fast-travel or level-up ladies.
DS3 has top tier bosses and levels but it's just not the same.
>>335680371
Dark Souls 3 is garbage
Easiest
Linearest
Ng+ is nonexistent, doesn't even feel harder unless it's scaling to your level cause it feel's just as easy to me. Not even any new mobs or anything just +rings
No cool npc's besides siegward which is a rehash and barely and dialogue for anybody, Exploration is shit and loot is shit
>>335680371
You're right but what can I do if they came out first? I'm pretty much burnt out on souls games at this point, of course I wasn't going to get the same experience as with DeS and fucking DaS1 which were just fucking phenomenal when I started
Bloodborne is honestly my favorite, I absolutely loved the Victorian horror theme going on. Upper Cathedral Ward actually managed to scare me on more than one occasion.
>>335680440
>DeS has the best level design by far.
no it doesn't, it just has a more interesting and consistent design philosophy which makes the level design an important element of gameplay because the encounters are designed in tandem with it
but most people here don't understand that and think dark souls is all about running around and i-frame dodging in duels against humanoids
>>335680520
>DS1 to this day is the only one that feels like a proper adventure where you get lost into a strange hostile land because no instant fast-travel or level-up ladies.
why should this be the metric for success?
>>335679131
>Any other opinion is pretty much idiocy.
literally killyourself
>>335680305
I personally loved the more "puzzle" style bosses. Figuring out the method/weakness to exploit. I dunno, to each their own
>>335680529
>Linearest
I want this meme to end. The levels are bigger and easier to get lost into than ever.
>>335680395
But DS2 is garbage, that's why I put it right before DeS.
>>335680529
BB is more linear yet gets a pass. Then again linearity has nothing to do with game quality in general, but you're just a retard
>>335679131
Where's BB?
>>335680594
That's why its the best bruv
>>335680642
Because I really liked that aspect of it. It made it unique.
It's my opinion.
>>335680692
He probably doesn't own a ps4
>>335680378
>Opinion better than Opinion
Get a load of this memester
Crowns > Old Hunters > AotA
AotA was great but too short.
>>335679834
how the fuck can you not mention trick weapons? Trick weapons blow DaS3's arsenal out of the fucking water.
>>335680691
>BB is more linear yet gets a pass.
Oh I wonder why
>>335680732
fuck you then
this thread is full of sonyggers only here to force the bb is the best meme
>>335680569
It's strange to me that so many people are unable to enjoy the games for what they are
Like you must have overrated DeS and DS1 pretty hugely in your mind if you were let down by DS3. I barely finished BB and the old hunters before playing DS3 and I was still impressed by it
>>335680737
>Dark Souls vanilla above SoTFS
>without Artorias to redeem it
Trying too hard to fit in/10
BB>DaS3>DaS>DeS>Das2
>>335680807
no, fuck YOU
>>335680802
because it's significantly shorter and tighter I'd say
DaS>BB>DeS=DaS2>DaS3
>>335680229
So is that a no? I'd love to pick up the next games in the series once I finish this but it'd be nice to know if the lock on improves. You know, to know what I'm looking forward to?
>>335680843
I wasn't let down by DS3, just cant enjoy it as much as DeS and DaS1 which were extremely fresh games to me. Pick up DaS2/3/BB and I just run around like a retard because I'm already used to this fresh dank from soft type of game. while DeS, and to a lower extent DaS1, felt extremely exciting.
I have no problem admitting that if say, DaS3 came out first I would have probably enjoyed it more, heck, goes true even for DaS2
>>335678353
Bloodborne is best though.
>>335680843
part of the appeal of des and das1 is that they were fresh and dark souls 3 is anything but fresh
it's stale as fuck and although demon's souls used to be my favorite the souls series has been retroactively tainted by too many samey and unnecessary sequels, so now I prefer bloodborne
>>335680797
Trick weapons are just two weapons in one. Straight sword + UGS. Straight sword + hammer. It's nothing special but it's flashy and impresses idiots I guess
Crowns should be the best simply because it managed to redeem the shitshow that was vanilla DaS2 into something actually really fucking good. Also the settings were fucking fantastic.
>>335680123
Truth. But for me BB=DaS.
all this samefagging
>>335679349
DeS bosses are much worse, so I don't understand why people usually rank it first or second. It gets points for being the first and establishing the formula, but other than decent level design and good atmosphere, it has little going for it when compared to the later games - especially when compared to BB and 3.
BB>DaS>DaS3>DeS>>>Scholar>DS2
BB does nearly everything better than the other games. Only thing I found lacking was the aesthetics of the levels feeling samey after a few hours, also the saw cleaver being way too good for a starting weapon. DaS only ranks so high because of it's excellent DLC and for having the only good use of depth of field in a game to date, it adds so much to the game's atmosphere it's unbelievable. DaS3 has so-so levels (aesthetically speaking) filled with mostly good enemies and fair challenges, but suffers from neglecting some of the things from BB and 2 which would've made the game better (trick weapons, step-dodging when locked on, actual differences in NG+ from 2) and currently piss-poor weapon balance. DeS is good but generally outclassed by the others at this point, and DaS2 is mostly just absolute mediocrity.
>>335681000
"style only impresses idiots"
ok
>>335680229
>>335680968
I think the lock on in DaS2 was worse, and in DaS3 it seems to go off randomly
>>335680985
That's pretty funny because BB is extremely similar to souls and only offers "freshness" in setting
DeS > DkS3 > BB > DkS2 > DkS
>>335678815
says the retard who put DS2 at the top when it deserves the bottom
>>335680797
all it does is make the short version longer with slower attacks. the ones that transform into entirely different weapons like the great hammer/short sword combo suck dick because the heavy variant is too slow for bb combat.
non-fanboy opinion from someone who has played all games and actually loves the series:
DaS 3 => BB > DaS > DeS >> DaS 2
AotA => Old Hunters > Crowns
>>335681053
>also the saw cleaver being way too good for a starting weapon
All the starting weapons are way too good, even threaded cane which is really fucking good if you're doing a DEX build.
>>335680305
There's nothing wrong with "gimmick" bosses. They can be fun and interesting and a solid way of diversifying a game if they're done right. Bed of Chaos is an example of a boss done wrong.
Also people dickride DaS1 far too much. Half the bosses in the game are either boring or just straight suck (Bed of Chaos, Ceaseless Discharge, Four Kings, Gaping Dragon, Iron Golem, Pinwheel, Moonlight Butterfly, and all the demon fights are fucking trash. Decon's of the deep are more fun than any of these guys) and a solid chunk of the areas near the end game just feel incomplete. Interconnected areas don't really add much to most players and getting a teleport so late was largely a waste of time.
I loved DaS1 but it's a super flawed game that everyone on this board looks at with rose tinted glasses. Never played DeS or BB so I can't really comment there.
>>335680229
You don't hold down the button to lock on, you just tap it.
>>335681134
objectively correct
>>335681061
Ah well. I'm pretty used to it as it is right now so no big deal. Thanks for the reply.
Really am enjoying what I've played so far. If I wasn't so out of it right now I'd be playing.
>>335681000
Yeah, and you get like triple the moveset vs any of DaS3's weapons. Even the most mundane weapons in BB are way more interesting to use than 90% of the weapons in DaS3.
My personal opinion.
DaS1, BB, DaS3, DeS, DaS2.
I played DeS after playing DaS1 since I didn't have a PS3 at the time. I did enjoy it though but have found more fun in the ones previous in my ranking.
DaS2. I'm not on the bandwagon that it is a bad game, I still enjoyed it but didn't give me the wow factor that Dark Souls gave to me, the graphic downgrade from the alpha footage obviously being a major part in it.
All in all, Dark Souls 1, I still see myself going back to and trying something different, I'll be playing Dark Souls 3 for awhile now so opinion may change once patches and balances come in. I do love Bloodborne for a different approach, but it does have a lack of something that I can't put my finger on.
Demon's souls, I came late to the party, I did enjoy it, but I just wasn't as into it that I might've been had the community been bustling. I remember getting home from work one night after reading that the Old Monk could be a player character rather than an AI boss and waiting almost two-three hours hoping for it and it never happened.
DLC's, well, I played DaS1 on PC originally and I loved AotA, Bloodborne's was great and DaS2's made up for alot of lost ground.
Take it how you will, but I enjoyed all of them.
>>335678353
what is wrong with that moon
>>335680362
>DS2 has top tier dls
they're slightly better than the base game was
they're still poor, compared to the other games
>>335681067
>fast paced combat
>better, more fluent combat
>bosses you had to dodge and learn their attack patterns rather than turtling with your ultra greatshield, same with enemies.
>chalice dungeons
the only way they're similar is the "lol so hard xd" meme
DaS=BB>DeS >>> DaS3 >>> DaS2
DLCs equally elevated the games in my opinion but I guess Old Hunters>PtDE>>Crowns
>>335681189
Or you could just use several weapons and achieve the same effect
>>335678353
You have shit taste there.
kys
DS2>DS1>DeS>>>>>>>>>>>dog shit>>>>>>>>>your mum>DS3>>>>>>>>>>cancer>>>>>>>>BB
>>335681158
All Souls games have flaws. DeS has shittiest boss fights in the series but I still rate it for the level design and its still my favourite
>>335681182
Have fun lad
>>335681229
DS2 dlc has the second best dragon fight in the series, but they still somehow failed to improve that fucked up pacing the main game had
>>335680079
I can't remember a single song in bb. Bb is on par with ds3s soundtrack with how forgettable they both are. Des and das1 are the only ones you could argue are the best in that regard
>>335681053
it has a lot going for it
it's fresh, it has the best plot and tightest themes in the series, it has the best waifu, the structure of the game is the best in the series, the encounters are the most consistently high quality, the gimmick bosses are GOOD
>>335681067
and the setting is the biggest victory of the game, so yeah, that's why it's fresh
I didn't play demon souls but here goes:
DS>BB>DS2>>>>>DS3
Besides BB, the series got worse with each release
>>335680305
Because DeS was before the whole SOULS ARE HARD BRO, LMAO meme started. It's challenging the first time you play it, but it's never hard.
And DeS still has the best atmosphere in Souls games, even better than BB.
>>335681337
The combat is extremely similar. Being faster paced doesn't make it revolutionary. There's also no reason to turtle behind a greatshield if you don't enjoy it, it's just there as an option.
>chalice dungeons
one thing no one is going to miss from BB
>>335681337
Going for turtle in DeS rewarded you with handsome king allant. Or firelurker to a lesser extent
>>335681386
the goal of music in bloodborne isn't that you put it on your ipod, it's to accompany bosses which it does better than any other game in the series
>>335681348
It's not the same effect at all. Switching between weapons in DaS3 isn't as seamless and can fuck your equip load if you want to use several different heavy weapons. BB weapons also have special moves when transitioning between forms that you don't get in DaS3.
>>335681398
that's not freshness. That's the same game with a different coat of paint
DeS>DS2>BB>DS1>DS3
SK>OIK=AotA>IK ??? ToH
>>335681357
>PCuck confirmed
>>335681474
>It's challenging the first time you play it, but it's never hard.
new game+ at pure black m8.
>>335681337
BB is the exact same combat as souls, but now with a focus on speed and executing parries. You're like one of those morons who tries to argue that Monster Hunter combat is nothing like Souls combat.
>>335681218
DaS2 isn't a bad game, I can agree there. Most morons here can only form opinions around hyperbole and go either in one extreme or another, and after the MatthewMatosis video dropped a lot of opinions started to shift.
It's a flawed game that's weaker than 1 and has noteworthy issues, but it's not bad.
>>335681337
bloodbourne actually suffered from being too similar to souls.
it didn't need a stamina system, for starters.
just nerf dodging, that was too good, and make it so combos aren't infinite.
blam, it would just be better. stamina barely mattered anyways, it only served to stop your relentless R1 spamming with the infinite combo.
>>335681564
>he thinks the minute-to-minute gameplay of souls games is the appeal of souls games
Lol.
>>335678353
>Can we all agree?
No
DeS > DaS 2 > DaS 1 > DaS 3
No BB because no PS4
>>335681504
of course the combat is fucking similar it was made by the same developer dip shit. the entire game is going to be fucking similar but BB improved on a lot. you play ds2 you get clunky, unresponsive combat with shit fucking hitboxes and you move over to BB and get seamless, fluent combat. the lack of shields completely changes the game so you can't be a turtle and always have to be aggressive. chalice dungeons allow you to continue to kill bosses and explore areas when you've explored and beaten everything else.
>>335681549
Des and Das were able to do both. Bb gets it way too easy since all it had to do was be better than ds2 and it still failed at that in some regards
>>335681657
DaS2 is ok they just never knew when to stop throwing enemies at you so a lot of people hate it for that.
It has great animations tho
>>335681660
They should have just made it a full on "character action" game. Unsure why they still stuck so close to the whole Souls formulae.
DeS > DaS > DaS3 > DaS2 > BB
>>335681776
ok, there was no need to type all these angry words to tell me you essentially agree with me though
>>335681776
DS2 has great hitboxes at 112 agi, yeah its not an excuse just thought I'd mention it
>>335681660
>>335681657
trying to tell me the game was too similar to the souls games is fucking retarded because they're made by the same developer. i don't even know what the fuck monster hunter is we're not talking about that.
>>335681053
Adding to this, why the fuck did they remove all of the unique crit animations from DS2? I don't want to see the same 2 animations copy and pasted for every fucking weapon again like how it was in 1. Fucks sake.
>>335678815
It's just as much ofa DaS game as DeS is, fagge
>>335681882
>DS2 has great hitboxes at 112 agi
I am playing with 4 ADP and the hitboxes are still fine.
>>335678353
DaS3 > BB > DeS > DaS > DaS2
Level design is the biggest factor for me, gameplay is a close second
DaS3 = DaS > Das2 > DeS > BB
the reason DeS is so low is honestly how easy the game is the majority of the bosses are pushovers despite looking cool. But it also has great atmosphere. As for BB besides faster combat and Cathulu atmosphere the lack of build variety kills any replayability for me.
>>335682021
Maybe. I just went with ADP from the start so I never really got to notice. But one too many times enemies put their spears right by my character's helmet and missed because it didn't touch the model so I'm not gonna buy into the poor hitboxes meme entirely but dodging did get a lot of space with high ADP
>>335681905
Platinum made Bayonetta, MGR, and the Wonderful 101, and all of those games are drastically different. Being from the same company is no fucking excuse, From has also made the Armored Core games, they know how to do shit beyond souls games.
Honestly, the stamina system only really works well with shields.
>>335682135
>I just went with ADP from the start
A pretty useless stat if you ask me.
DS3>DS1>DS2
never played the other.
>>335682191
Vanquish too bruv
>>335682324
Not really, I was rushing through the game and could use the improved dodging
>>335682021
>>335682135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FIAKaPktr8&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVTXeuHrjvE
DaS2 for sure has Hitbox issues. It's not present for all enemies but it's definitely there.
>>335681952
I feel like from wanted to distance itself from ds2 so it forgot all the good things it did. Best co-op, best build diversity, best pvp, best character creation, and gave the most choices for locations right off the bat so you could get the weapons and armor you wanted right away
>>335682084
this fami
>>335682191
and treyarch make call of duty games and fucking spiderman games whats your point? the point of bloodborne was to cash in on the souls series style of game and give the ps4 something exclusive while offering something that wasn't the same hide behind the shield then get two hits in. i don't know how the stamina system only works for shields because if you had unlimited stamina you'd stunlock everything into oblivion and you wouldn't stop moving. i know we're talking about video games but swinging your arm and hopping from side to side must be tiring.
>>335682387
Why dodge when you can instakill enemies or have them pinned?
>>335682628
bb>ds3
>>335682084
>the lack of build variety kills any replayability for me
>puts DaS3 first
Lmao, even DeS has better build variety and more replayability than DaS3
>>335682412
>gave the most choices for locations right off the bat
You only have the forest of the giants and heide's, the gutter is locked behind the cat ring and that place that leads to the executioner chariot is locked behind licia, and the N64 woods you can't access until much later for whatever reason.
Meanwhile DeS has 5 areas avaliable from the start and DaS has 4.
>>335682770
Dark Souls 3 > Bloodborne
>>335682476
My point being that From played it too safe with BB to really make it a different game. The whole point I'm getting to is that BB is similar to souls.
>>335682862
guess you got me beat i dont have a ps3 and didnt play demons souls
DS3 > BB > DaS > DeS > SOTFS
DLCs
Crowns > Old Hunters > AotA
>>335682881
And it's similar enough to make it really obvious to see how much better it is.
Because as "safe" as it is, it ultimately perfects the Souls formula without being chained to Souls conventions.
>>335678353
>DaS2 DLC
The concepts in them would be great if DaS1 didn't already exist and have a pre established lore.
I'll just say the worst thing DaS2 did on a whole was make it so that both choices didn't matter and were possibly canon within certain time eras? It was the most copout answer possible after a game like DaS1 with the possible exception of doing the inverse where both choices matter.
It would have been far riskier and more rewarding to make it so that we were living in the after effects of one catastrophic choice and see where that leads us. Rather than jacking off every player and making them feel like they matter when they don't.
>>335682862
>He bought DaS 2 twice
For fuck's sake anon.
If DS3 wasn't riddled with performance issues I would rank it higher than DS1.
I liked all of the games equally so far (except DS3 right now with the frameshitting) so Demon's=DS1=DS2>DS3(until latch for framerate)
Bloodborne is the lowest because sub 30fps.
>>335683023
i did too it was only $25 for sotfs last christmas
>>335683023
SOTFS >>>>>>>>>> Vanilla DS2
>>335682959
Such humility and honesty... I'm not used to seeing it on /v/.
I surrender.
>>335682825
>the gutter is locked behind the cat ring and that place that leads to the executioner chariot is locked behind licia
20 minutes into the game you can have both so lets not pretend that DaS2 had less paths.All you have to do is kill the Dragonrider and you will have the souls to the ring and the NPC to open the path + another path that leads to the pirate's den.
So that is...let me see...5 paths 20 minutes into the game?You can say it is 6 if you count the gutter and the graves as different path options from the pit.
>>335682975
>it ultimately perfects the Souls formula
Taking away half the elements isn't perfecting anything.
The fact that a few weapons are far above anything else doesn't help either. Also, stamina recovers so fast it almost loses its point. And Blood Vials are a worse alternative to a better solution that came before. The multiplayer elements are very weak. I could go on and on.
>>335678640
Yes. We can agree on that.
Also can we agree that if someone really wants to grade games then it's only via his subjective opinion and it's stupid to make "can we all agree" threads?
>>335678353
Das3 > DaS > Des > DaS2
haven't played bloodborne yet
>>335682862
>PS3
>PS4
>Xbox One
No love for 360 or PC...
>>335683531
The X1 version of DS2 is fine.
In fact, even the X1 version of DS3 is fine. The differences are hardly noticeable, though they could have rendered the overlap for the menus in 1080 and I doubt that would have been a problem.
>>335682825
Care to explain how? Considering the fact that pyromacy and hexes are in DaS3 and not in demons not to mention all the infusions. Also that was pointed at BB not DeS.
>>335683052
Not sure what system you are referring to but DaS had its fair share of performance problems DaS3 on PC however haven't had a single issue. Can't really say anything regarding the console version as I haven't played it.
>>335678353
>people unironically think DeS hasn't been improved on by every other Souls with the exception of 2
Farm in Bolitaria for 10 minutes, never have to worry about health again. 10/10 game design.
>>335684627
The way each archstone has its own resource type is very good game design.
The healing system is the one that doesn't entirely work
