Dark Souls Lore thread
Anyone who actually believes this guy isnt a fraud is retarded.
He is literally the Soulfeeder mentioned in the Skull ring he drops.
Its why he is burnt.
>>335660854
i may be small, but i will fraud a colossus
>>335660854
meh
dude must be pretty bored considering i didnt talk to him to get any shit weapons
>>335661178
But he needs to Feed anon.
>>335660854
He killed the soulfeeder
So what exactly is up with there being two (or three if you count Kiln) Firelink shrines?
>>335661670
Then why doesnt he fit his throne? Everyone else had a throne to fit them (Lothrics was made for when hes older as it was Lorian size)
He isnt Ludleth. He is the Soulfeeder, who likely killed Ludleth and ate his soul.
How can he run so fast when he doesn't have legs?
He crown too big for he gotdam hed
>>335661893
I don't know what that ring is or what it's description is, but does it matter who he is or not? He does exactly what you need him to do.
>>335660854
He's the Demon's Souls protagonist from the bad ending where said protagonist is consumed with a hunger for souls. Hence his dead Maiden in Black firekeeper in Untended Graves.
>>335661893
cause he has no fucking legs and tells you he tried to ignite himself and was burned down to the pathetic form you now see.
No legs, scrawny, failed to link the fire, meaning he isnt what he used to look like.
>>335661893
On this note, does the Legion just share a seat? There's at least three of them, somebody's gonna be sitting bitch.
>>335661893
Does Yhorm fit his throne? And Lud was raised as a lord of cinder just like lothric, but instead of hiding he's doing his duty.
He clerly know how to turn souls into items so why is it odd that he turned the soulfeeder into a ring?
>>335662036
>Hence his dead Maiden in Black firekeeper in Untended Graves.
Where in the untended graves? I just defeated the champion
>>335661893
>everyone else had a throne that fit them
>one of them seats a 10-headed 'skull'
>one of them a giant would sit on that couldn't even fit in the building itself
wew lad
>>335662286
Behind an illusory wall where the miracle trainer sits.
>>335662286
You know that wall that Irina of Carim sits up against? It's an illusory wall in Untended Grave's Firelink Shrine/Nexus. Behind that illusory wall is a small room with a dead firekeeper in it. Loot the pair of eyes from her and talk to Ludleth.
>>335662070
When does he say he used to be big? He only says his legs were charred off. But the Soulfeeder is also said to have been burnt.
He also says he succeeded in linking the flame.
>>335662163
Only one of the legion can link the flame. They all dont.
>>335662292
Yhorms Throne is literally an exact copy of that in his room, that he was sitting on when you walk in. Wew m8
Could this be a dwarf?
>>335660854
why does this matter again? he delivers as advertised
>>335662624
>Yhorms Throne is literally an exact copy of that in his room, that he was sitting on when you walk in. Wew m8
Except much smaller, you dumb asshole
that pilgrim dude just randomly dead when I came back to firelink shrine
should I be scared?
>>335661738
I think it's due to the parallel worlds bullshit. The castles diorama in the background of the kiln directly references this.
>>335662624
>Yhorms Throne is literally an exact copy of that in his room, that he was sitting on when you walk in. Wew m8
yeah you might wanna go check that yourself
>>335662934
No, it isnt. Its literally an exact copy. Maybe actually look for once.
>>335661332
Ah-ha thout returned
>>335660854
>give him bad ass souls for weapons
We're literally feeding him souls. Maybe thats how he gets powerful enough to be a cinder
>>335663054
Messages in Firelink Shrine also show up in Untended Graves and vice versa. They're also in the same area in the bonfire teleport menu.
Personally, I think it was Ludleth's world. Somehow we got through without the use of phantoms.
Does it really matter who he is if he serves the purpose as a cinder?
>>335663372
nah but it's cool to think about.
>>335660854
Is he Mexican?
He looks like one.
>>335662280
But he needs the transposing kiln to covert souls into items
So if you literally beat all the cinder lords in the game, what the hell is the DLC for?
Lore tread? Fine. Answer me this. Where do you think is the MC of dark souls 2? With scholar of the first sinner we know he could have taken a different pact but yet we haven't see him
>>335663602
Final boss has that DaS2 magic spam.
>>335663592
Meeting pre-corruption Dancer and pre-Profaned Flame Sulyvahn
A-HA, THOUST RETURNED
>>335663592
Saving Gwyndolin and getting that boypussy for a reward.
>>335663041
Did you see a woman beside him? If not cure your hollowing by giving the firekeeper soul to the firekeeper.
Skull ring description:
>One of Courland's transposed wonders. Derived from the soul of a Soulfeeder.
>Easier to be detected by enemies.
>The Soulfeeder was a beast that insatiably absorbed souls to feed its own power. Even after its accursed corpse was burned, it is said that the pungent stench of souls left the air permanently stained."
Wow so he was just like the player? The ring explains just how powerleveling in the game turns you into a monster. And when Ludleth set himself on fire to be a lord of cinder, its stench remains on his body. I don't see how this makes him a bad person at all.
>>335663592
This doesn't make much sense. You killed the four niggers in DaSII, and the DLCs brought something new to the table
>>335660854
>>335661893read the Transposing Kiln descriptionHe is the last boss>you gave him the Kiln LOL
>>335663602
Neither bearer or Aldia will be mentioned again.
DaS2 fucked up the lore, and i hope they just leave it like that.
>>335660854
He never really lies about it, does he? I mean, the back of his chair says Ludleth, the Exiled. I assume he was exiled for eating so many fucking souls, and then burnt as a lord of cinder for it.
>>335663340
I think its in the past, just because Iudex doesnt drop a Soul, because you already got it when you kill Champion Gundyr
>>335663602
He might have just taken Vendrick's cure for hollowing and left, as the Faraam Armor's description said he went beyond death. He's probably just chilling with Aldia somewhere.
>>335663540
Which he mentions he had access to before they were lost. I think he says there were even multiple.
>>335663592
I hope the DLC has an "Arena" Where 30 something people can come in, watch fights and even participate. You can bet souls and there would even be special arena weapons and armor.
It wouldn't even kill PVP spots because that would still serve for people that are looking for something more simple.
>>335663602
hes sitting on his throne for all eternity, bored as fuck
>>335663789
how did it fuck up the lore?
>>335663887
Because he didn't like it! It's bad!
>>335663708
>>335663185
Why does he talk like this?
No one else does.
>>335663789
>DaS2 fucked up the lore
DS2 has some top tier shit like Vendrick. To throw it all out is simply a waste.
>>335663783
>Give to Ludleth, Lord of Cinder
>mfw
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>335663592
Hopefully a londor dlc and one for the desert of Carthus. I like deserts, they look nice.
>>335663783
>he doesnt know what a Kiln is
>>335663592
If it's like any Souls DLC ever it's going to be 'side-mission' content that's ancillary to your main quest but still revealing and story-related.
Is the soulfeeder supposed to be referencing something other than the item description?
>>335664000
>I like deserts, they look nice.
Are you autstic?
>>335663789
No bruh Aldia is obviously the modern Aldrich and he ate the Dark Souls 2 main character. That or the Dark Souls 2 main character is now the pontiff.
You should compare his final boss form in DaS2.
>>335664000
>Desert DLC
>Invisible Sand Devils that never drop agro in the first area
>They can enter boss areas
>>335660854
DLC is going to have a fight with him in his prime. He's the only lord we don't fight.
>>335663783
what in that description implies that?
also, last boss sucked, didnt have all the build up gwyn did, even with nashandra you'd have suspicions of who would be the final boss
>>335664050
Not that guy, but why don't you leave him the F-CK alone?!
>>335663789
>aldia is mentioned by name in the Japanese version Soul Geyser
>>335664115
who asked you???
back the fuck off?!
>>335664105
>>335664105
>Give to Ludleth, Lord of Cinder
I dunno anon you tell me
>>335664000
But there is sand everywhere!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzp0TSjl6o
What's he asking forgiveness for?
I assume eating all those fucking souls to become a Lord of Cinder.
>>335664197
You do realize all the Lords are called Lords of Cinder, right?
When you use an ember you even enter "Lords of Cinder" mode.
>>335664197
I'll tell you you're a fucking retard that doesn't know what the last boss is actually named or how you fight multiple lords of cinder in the game.
>>335664208
And its coarse and rough and it gets everywhere!
>>335664050
What is autistic about a chill ass desert? I love the look of the sand dunes in the distance with maybe a chill oasis with sum trees. It looks nice as fuck dude.
If only we could throw all the niggers out of the deserts irl
>>335663825
But why can you just waltz in there? No teleporting or anything
>>335664074
>after bonewheel skeletons what can we do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltvLo2vNls0
>>335664197
clearly I'm missing something, but dont you know that he's a lord of cinder the moment you speak with him?
>>335664074
So almost like the snow unicorns from DS2. I would almost rage.
>>335663952
Because he's from Courland and nobody else is. Besides, he's old as fuck.
>>335664365
That's the concept I was going for by trying to one up them in a way.
Now in Sand Version.
>>335664273
>>335664302
>>335664343fine I just thought I was right, but I'm not. I will leave in shame
>>335664303
Not like you, Anon~
>>335664338
Time is fucked up with the flame burning low. The abyss is known to do that, evidenced by the DS1 DLC
Side note, these rivers and street number captchas are gonna make me break my monitor. Theyre driving me insane
>>335662624
>When does he say he used to be big?
I don't think you should be in Dark Souls lore thread if you are unable to take things not literally.
He said he linked the fire, he postponed the fucking end of the world.
After a deed like that even king of midgets could call himself a colossus.
>>335663887
If they aknowledge it, they will have to retcon a lot of stuff.
Explain how the throne of want is supposed to be the first flame, it makes no sense unless DaS2 takes place after 3, which is not the case.
>>335663953
It has some cool stuff that works on it's own, but not in the series.
Honestly playing all 3, 2 feels like it's another game alla Bloodborne with it's own universe.
>>335663592
Time travel again where you meet and beat the Lords of Cinder before they were burned and were actual threats.
>>335660854
What's his relationship with the champ Gundyr? Did he reverse Gundyr's world to the state where Gundyr might make it to the first flame?
>>335664562
I feel that DS2 offers an important bridging between DS1 and DS3, showing that efforts have been made to try stop the cycle.
>>335664138
So is Vendrick, as king of want.
And the Nashandra painting, and some items.
Just to please some fans.
Hopefully they'll leave it like that.
The game says it's a cycle but, at this point they are running out of people to burn it seems.
>>335664526
What in the fuck are you talking about? The post I replied to said the fire shrunk him
>No legs, scrawny, failed to link the fire, meaning he isnt what he used to look like.
Where does he ever say he isnt what he used to look like. He says to look at his burnt off legs, thats it. Even with legs the throne is still massivly to big for him.
Also Linking the fire doesnt make you fucking deformed. It literally burns you into ash.
>>335664709
>being this buttmad about DS2 being canon.
wew lad
>>335661178
this shit
>barely any dex weapons
>if it's some agile weapon, it's infused with magic or some shit
>can't infuse weapons with Sharp gems
'least you forged me Havel's Ring you old bastard
>>335664237
>His tone when he says "I am a Lord"
Somebody tried to murder him in the past, yet he didnt just die (or go hollow) and he's dreaming of it. Who and why though? His firekeeper saw his betrayal (ending the flame/not linking it), maybe it was her?
>Forgive me please
Probably asks forgiveness for betraying his cycle and ending the fire (or failing to link it) and or murdering his firekeeper.
>I am not to blame
Maybe he got manipulated by Kaathe into doing what he did and he realised it a bit too late.
The reason he didnt fuck off like the others Lords of Cinder is regret for not fulfilling his duty.
Now about him get burned. Maybe he ultimately tried to link the fire but it was too late? Idk if it's relevant but if you choose to link the fire at the end there is no big wooosh like in DS1, your dude just starts burning up and then sits down (almost in disappointment). Maybe you are too late aswell and thats what happened to Lud too? Idk about that but I'm almost certain that dark firelink is in Lud's cycle where he failed to link the flame.
![dark_souls_3_yhorm[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/P1zQi2i.png "dark_souls_3_yhorm[1].png")
I'm just going to post some of my lore musings: I'm not espousing I'm any sort of expert, but I have some ideas.
Here's my shit on Yhorm.
>Yhorm the Giant is a Dark souls 2 Giant. He just isn't "Hollowed": Giants Hollow via their bodies becoming contorted, emaciated and developing that characteristic hole in their face before they slowly develop into those elder trees and die.
>Yhorm is a direct descendant from the Giant King from Dark Souls 2.
>Yhorm came to the profaned capital before it was known as the "profaned" capital in order to loot and pillage it's exorbitant wealth, which he was able to do quite effortlessly; absolutely fucking devastating the capitals knights, guards and king.
>Yhorm however was BEGGED by the common folk to lead them as a lord and king as they recognized his strength, but also thought that he couldn't be crueler than their previous demented God/Human leaders. They were pleased to find that Yhorm was as just and fair as he was physically powerful.
>Eventually however it came time for Yhorm to link the fire and he did so willingly and became a lord of cinder, but a giant had never before linked the fires and his fire instead turned into the profaned flame we know today: it burned so brightly and massive that it consumed all of Yhorm's kingdom.
>In an attempt to protect and shield his people from the profaned flame; Yhorm opened his throne room to the public to shelter them from the fire, but the profaned flame burned only HUMANS and every single one of Yhorm's subjects ended up burning alive.
>Yhorm flees from his responsibility as lord of cinder due to his personal failures causing him to lose faith in his title and credibility.
>>335664726
Also each cycle seems to last less and less.
>>335664889
Did we ever discover a answer to this or is it just doomed to eventually fade?
>>335660854
I played dark souls 3 at 4k on a 50inch and it looked nowhere near this clear
>>335664856
Au contraire.
I'm happy they aknowledge so little about it.
Like
"Yeah it happened, and a bunch of people has linked the fire since then, but we'll just mention it vaguely"
>>335664881
Good fiction.
I've heard the hollow giant idea, but they must not hollow like humans because the Giants in das2 are an effective, coherent army, unlike the mindless human hollows.
>>335664879
He specifically says he linked the flame, of his own accord, even when he knows you've given the firekeeper the eyes and encourages you to make your choice for yourself, whether to link it or let it fade. Considering how upfront he is about it there's no reason to think he didn't link the fire.
Not to mention there's another dream he has where he's screaming about how much being burned hurts. Dude totally linked the fire when he became a lord. We know becoming a lord takes a lot of strength/souls, we know he drops the skull ring and could transpose souls, even if he isn't the beast mentioned on the ring he probably did some mean shit to get enough power to become a lord, hence the begging for forgiveness.
ITT
from devs come to v asking for lore suggestions
>>335664881
do you have anything on him and siegward?
>>335664881
The profaned flame was not made by him linking the flame, it existed before. There is an axe (elenora I think its named) that talks about some witches that fucked shit up and left happy.
They probably made the flame and he had to stand as a vanguard against it or some shit. Maybe he thought linking the fire would help?
Also the fire feeds on humanity, he is a giant, thus it fed on his subjects.
Not sure if this is canon but, It is now in my head.
Well done anon, I liked it.
>>335665062
I feel the same. I'm glad they put in some of the best sets from 2 back in. Thats all I really wanted. Some more weapons from 2 would have been cool too.
I really didn't pay attention to the lore, I judge characters by how they speak. The way he talks about becoming a colossus made me hate his guts. Anyone who speaks of becoming a colossus sounds like the person I don't want to become a colossus. Sounded narcissistic and self-aggrandizing, a bit like a certain someone else in my life.
>>335664879
Read all the descriptions on Gundyr's stuff plus the Estus ring. Dark firelink is the cycle where Gundyr woke up late because the bell didn't ring and the fire had already faded. Then you come along after wandering into the past, fuck him up, and he ends up impaled on the coiled sword waiting to test a new ashen champion, which ended up being you in the present at the start of the game.
Why the fuck you manage to time travel through an illusory wall is anyone's guess.
>>335665103
Its funny, because its true.
>>335665205
You don't time travel from an illusory wall, you time travel every time you leave Firelink Shrine.
>>335664687
From what I get Champ gundyr is the original and real one who failed his task. The iudex version you fight is either an illusion or a corrupted version.
>>335665103
But Nips don't even know /v/ exists.
I just killed horace.
If I tell Anri will that fuck up the Usurp questline? I want that ring if possible...
>>335665081
>Not to mention there's another dream he has where he's screaming about how much being burned hurts.
This could be him remembering being burnt alive as the Soulfeeder...
>>335664963
It's doomed to fade, just like someday embers will create a big flame again.
Mankind is literally fightning against the nature of the universe.
>>335663592
going back to a previous age where the giants of das2 fucked shit up in "lordran"
>>335665205
I guess it was just for you to get a glimpse of a time when the fire is out, given the complete darkness of everything outside the untended graves.
Also the whole thing just reminds me of the Hunter's Workshop/Hunter's Dream parallel. Hell the dead firekeeper echoes the lifeless doll.
>>335665103
If anything they'd go to 2chan
>>335665414
What? DaS2 wasn't set in Lordran.
>>335665205
>Why the fuck you manage to time travel through an illusory wall is anyone's guess
That got me too.
>Fuck, what should we do about the hole in the wall that leads to a dark past devoid of light and hope?
>just put an illusion over it, its almost time for break
>>335665287
How does one pronounce Iudex?
I thought it said Ludex for the longest time until I took a good look at it the other day.
>>335663592
Saving Priscilla from Aldrich.
Finding the rest of the Lothric royal family, including the Heavenly Daughter Gertrude.
>>335665307
don't tell her about horice and she'll give you the ring in the church when you find her
>>335663789
>Neither bearer or Aldia will be mentioned again.
Bearer's mentioned on the Faraam armor.
And he's either one of the forms of the Soul of Cinder or he fucked off somewhere to enjoy his complete immortality.
>>335665150
Lucatiel's sword has even the same moveset, that was neat.
>>335665496
E-you-dex
>>335665282
That doesn't make much sense. I mean sure, something is obviously weird about both Firelink Shrines, but there's got to be some kinda of time fuckery happening with both of them considering the Dark Sigil eclipse can be seen in every zone once it happens except those two, and is only seen at the Firelink Shrine that exists just outside of the Kiln of the First Flame.
It also makes me wonder how the fuck anyone besides you could travel to and from Firelink.
>>335665496
It's latin if I recall
>>335665496
Sude Dex
>>335665584
Sweet. Thanks.
![2593017-0453763975-lFhVJ[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zyFDJIU.jpg "2593017-0453763975-lFhVJ[1].jpg")
>>335665070
>I've heard the hollow giant idea, but they must not hollow like humans because the Giants in das2 are an effective, coherent army, unlike the mindless human hollows.
Giants are unlike Gods or Humans; they arose from the great trees that supported the world in the time of mists and dragons and even to this day continue to be the platforms that support the world.
Giants never truly "hollow" in the sense that they never become mindless hollows and their spirits remain INDOMITABLE; they never forgive, they never forget. Drangleic fought the Giant king and his people for almost 4 generations and day in and day simply because the Giants refused to stop fighting even as they twisted into the shapes we see them as in Dark Souls 2.
When beings hollow in Dark souls they return back to what they were before fire was introduced: Humans turn into hollows and Giants turn back into Trees.
This ties in with Yhorm as even though he denied his lordship of cinders: He remained at his throne with the remains of his subjects and waited for a champion to best him who would be able to do what he could not.
>>335665106
>do you have anything on him and siegward?
Yhorm was a friend of Seigward; simple as that.
Yhorm gave Seigward and his own subjects the storm rulers in an act of solidarity so that they wouldn't fear him as those two swords were capable of quiet effortlessly killing him.
I can only imagine that Seigward made a promise to Yhorm that if he ever faltered from his Duty that Seigward would personally come back to the profaned capital and KILL Yhorm to collect his remains and so forth.
>>335664305
Arabs live in the desert. All the niggers live in either jungles or Detroit.
>>335665307
You can tell her. I told her in multiple playthroughs, she puts a little monument to him down there and moves on to Irithyll.
>>335665287
Is there any explanation on why I, ashen one, defeat champ Gundyr though? To ensure stable time loop like Last Giant/Giant Lord stuff? Or mercy kill? Or just wanting for that soulbux?
>>335665476
dude come on, use your head. theres a gaint tree in das3, so the giants where obviously there at some point. the anus face giants are alot smarter than anor londo giants. they are capable of using spells, they have ships, and arent slaves. i just think it would be cool to see the gaints trying to conquer lordran in a previous cycle
>>335665731
The issue with that is Giant Souls are just really big chunks of humanity.
This is “Dark Soul,” the famous protagonist of the hit franchise, Dark Souls! known for his famous quotes: “everything is darkest before the soul” and “every soul has its dark”
>>335665751
sandniggers is just another kind of nigger.
>>335665114
>Also the fire feeds on humanity, he is a giant, thus it fed on his subjects.
OOOOOHHHH, SHIT THAT MAKES SENSE NOW.
THAT MAKES A LOT OF FUCKING SENSE.
MAYBE YHORM COULDN'T 'TRULY' FEED OR LINK THE FIRE BECAUSE HE'S A GIANT AND LACKS HUMANITY, BUT HE CARRIED IT WITH HIM LIKE A TORCH AND UNKNOWINGLY BURNED ALIVE ALL OF HIS SUBJECTS.
>>335663592
one DLC will probably be Aldia calling you a nitwit and then the bearer of the curse will appear with the emerald herald and they'll laugh at how much of a nitwit you are
then the other DLC will be Ornstein's beach party where you go to the beach to find Ornstein in a loincloth and he's like "oh right you killed every possible candidate that could link the flame, good job nitwit"
>>335665881
Action figure when?
>>335665937
See nigga, I smarts.
>>335665881
This is what happens when you wear armor based on stats.
Who is the Lautrec of Dark Souls 3?
>>335666046
There is no lautrec.
Only guy that I have seen people guess is him, Eygon is actually one of the more friendly guys if you keep on his good side.
>>335666046
Leonhard.
>>335666046
Guy you help who fucks you over?
Leonhard I guess, you even invade his ass.
>>335663592
Probably not plausible, but I'd like to see Vinheim or Oolacile
>>335666046
Rosaria dude with that plague doctor mask.
>>335663870
>Souls netcode
>Anything even near 30 people at once
Nah mang.
>>335666046
Leonhard.
>>335665817
Drangleic is directly referenced in DaS3 as being a far away land. Use YOUR head.
>>335665804
, Champion Gundyr, "was greeted by a shrine without fire, and a bell that would not toll." The boss in the area actually called Firelink Shrine is Iudyx Gundyr, who "was bested by an unknown warrior. He then became sheath to a coilder sword in the hopes that someday, the first flame would be linked once more."
Since we find Iudyx dead with a sword in him, but the Champion was already alive, we can surmise that he was impaled by the coiled sword after being beaten by you in the Untended Graves. Therefore, this dark area is in the past, and Firelink Shrine is in the present. Since time is warped due to the Curse, you are able to revisit this previous time.
Also, the items you get here aren't in the "light" Graves because you already took them. Similarly, Iudex is the only boss in the game without a soul, because you already took his soul when you defeated Champion Gundyr.
The biggest difference between DS3 and the other ones is you start in Lothric, you arent magically transported there. You are awoken as a Lord of Cinder.
>>335666123
Leonhard is a bro though. He does not impede your progress or remove a bonfire at all.
>>335666175
You could swing at the air once and backstab three people
Cheapest place to buy DS3?
>>335666187
the giants has ships you fucking moron, and theres a giant tree in the fire link shrine
use
your
head
you
dumb
faggot
>>335666273
thepiratebay.sx
>>335666273
KAT
>First DLC shows what the Queen of Lothric is up to and illuminates just what exactly the "angels" were; will end up just being the Primordial Serpents if the statues are any clue
>Second DLC finally gets around to explaining the sludge dragon parasites and we put our boot on whatever is crawling out of the Abyss for the last time
>Last DLC shows how the cycle of light and dark finally ends; the Ashen One somehow unites the two, light and dark, in an eternal twilight where they are an unlimited source of soul energy by becoming the Old One, who just needs to wake up every so often to collect souls before going back into hibernation
>>335666340
>>335666358
Hows the multi compared to DS2 and 1? Would I miss out a lot if I never really summoned for either game? I kinda liked DS2's invasions (I was a bellbro and a ratfag for a while).
>>335666279
>Reading comprehension
That means Dark Souls 2 is not in Lordran you stupid faggot, which was the original point.
>>335666382
Only 2 dlc's negro.
>>335666382
Why would the angels not be the fat knights with actual angel wings at the top of lothric castle? I mean I know we have those serpent statues too but fuck.
>>335666189
So the present Firelink is like Anor Londo tier of illusion? Why is DaS2 hag still there?
>>335666445
Squish the first two together. They sounded short enough to be fused anyways.
>>335666382
>who just needs to wake up every so often to collect souls before going back into hibernation
I know you want to link it to DeS but this is already what the champions of ash in DaS3 do, aside from going back to sleep.
>>335666408
like dark souls 2 there are a ton more npc summons. in fact some of them can teach you new gestures.
>>335666438
I didnt say it was you dipshit, what the fuck is wrong with you? i said "lordran" refrencing fucking lothric
pull your head out of your ass
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>>335664881
>>335665937
Another one of my musings; not as controversial as the last I don't think, but I'd like to share it regardless.
>Champion Gundyr is a human; a champion undead or lord of cinder much akin or exactly like what the player is. He was one anyway.
>Champion Gundyr however came "too late" to save the world and by the time he arrived at HIS firelink shrine the first fire had already faded and an age of darkness had already begun- consuming the world in darkness and ending flame.
>Champion Gundyr however was not "alone" he had the old shrine maiden and he encountered YOU the player.
>Not knowing any better Gundyr assumed by your power that you were either an invader or someone who could potentially be used to create a new "flame"- one of those tiny embers subsisting in the darkness.
>You fight and defeat Gundyr (if not you then perhaps the Swords Master who was also stubbornly alive and in search of lost blades and enemies to test his skill). Dejected and demoralized Gundyr does not wish to be a "threat" to anyone when he becomes hollow and instead prompts himself up as a "challenge" for any upcoming champions.
>He kills himself via impaling and pinning himself down with a coiled sword used to holster bonfires before he lets the abyss take him; reasoning one day a champion will pull the blade, defeat him and create a new bonfire in a new age of fire.
>>335666438
>Reading comprehension
Fucking kek, using a word you aren't using yourself. The dude was saying the giants we saw IN DaS2 went to Lordran. We didn't see it happen, but it's part of 2's story. Fucking think for a second, you imbecile.
>>335665547
Priscilla is fine. Heavenly Daughter Gertrude is where you get the Divine Pillars of Light miracle, she dead as fuck.
>>335666382queen of lothric is gwynevere
>>335662783
Because he's just so fucking nice, it totally ruins the emo atmosphere of the game.
It HAS to be a trick, and he HAS to be evil. There's no other fucking reason to taint my fave game with a Mister Rogers wannabe.
What I think Ludleth is all about:
Ludleth was involved in betraying the Firekeeper and whoever was to link the fire at some point in time. He stabbed them in the back and ensured the fire was not linked.
After seeing the age of dark and watching the firekeeper be ripped apart by whatever the darkness brought, he willed himself into a Lord of Cinder and somehow split into an alternate reality where he linked the flame.
He was 'exiled' from his own Age of Darkness into a reality where the flame was linked but he did not belong. He made it so the firekeeper and yourself are prisoners of his Firelink Shrink.
The same Firekeeper dies over and over again because he has her soul and he doesn't want you to show her the eyes of the original firekeeper because it would reveal the horrors of the dark he created and the betrayal that he brought about.
He's the original evil that is trying to make it right. He was probably tricked by snakes and shit too.
>>335666805
Probably, but item description says she just disappears again. Gwynevere is always just running away somewhere. Maybe we'll get to see what she's up to.
>>335666696
>>Champion Gundyr however came "too late" to save the world and by the time he arrived at HIS firelink shrine the first fire had already faded and an age of darkness had already begun- consuming the world in darkness and ending flame.
Wrong already. The Shrine Handmaiden in Dark Firelink says "the bell has NOT YET tolled", therefore the Fire is not yet faded.
>>335666843
He's dead and tired, he can't really give a shit anymore and simply supports you even through the betrayal.
>>335666696
>Sword Master uses chaos blade whenever you summon him
>You take the chaos blade from the past
>He uses uchi in the present firelink instead
>>335666147
>but I'd like to see Oolacile
You already did, anon.
>>335666907
Have you ever seen the player character and Gywnevere in the same room? Think about it.
>>335666935
>You are Shiva of the East
Literal pottery.
>>335666910
His armor says the bell wouldn't toll, meaning it should have.
>>335666884
Well, Kaathe tries to trick you too via proxy. The londor niggers are Kaathe followers. Yuria is like one of their 3 archbishops or whatever that answers to Kaathe.
>>335666643
>all those gestures i missed on my first playthrough
Which is terrible because "by my sword" is the coolest way to say hello that I've seen yet.
>game has multiple universes with their own fires that need linking
I know nothing you do matters, but parallel universes just make the nothing that you do not matter even more.
God I fucking hate parallel universe bullshit.
Who's this?
>My DeS waifu has to share a name with the conniving whore in DS3
>>335667159
Generic dead Astoran knight.
>>335665103
More like Vaati trying to get video ideas.
>>335664881
He's literally not a DS2 giant as he has an actual face and not just a hole. The only DS2 giant in 3 is the tree outside Firelink.
>>335667134
But first, we need to talk about parallel universes.
>>335667134
Yeah, multiple universes and shit like that just cancers it all up. Nothing really matters anymore because you can just universehop etc.
>>335667192
Your DeS waifu was shit used damaged goods anyway. Probably couldn't even feel a thing if both of you tried.
>>335667159
Call back to Oscar. Nobody of significance in 3.
>>335667159
Protagonist from DaS, pretty sure. Same armor as him at least so there's that. Would be weird if you could loot an Estus Flash off him. For two reasons 1) he gave his away and 2) what the fuck would you do with two Estus Flashs?
wait, so is untended graves in the past or future?
because champion makes me think past, but seed of a giant tree makes me think future
For what purpose?
>>335667386
The Present, Firelink is the future.
>>335667390
Ghost hands can't fuck with you then.
>>335665205
How does the fire get relinked once it's properly faded?
I thought that was supposed to be the end of it.
>>335667390
prevents you getting cursed by the book hands
>>335667390
So you can't read the superspooky evil books and get cursed.
>>335667386
Past.
Iudex Gundyr is Champion Gundyr that the Ashen One impaled in his first life.
>>335667390
It's cum.
>>335667390
Stops bookhands from cursing you.
Looks cool as fuck.
>>335667450
>How does the fire get relinked once it's properly faded?
How did the First Flame burst into existence in the first place?
>>335667446
>>335667506
>>335667473
Really? I thought it was a good disguise to lurk in archive.
>>335665647
The firelink shrines are illusions created by gwyndolin and crew to hopefully stop the cycle of the Lord's of cynder, the first one failed and is the dark firelink shrine, the warrior that failed is the "champion" and the second illusion has you fight an illusion of him to prove your worth as a potential usurper of the flame.
This is why the version of him you kill doesn't drop a soul, it's why the intended graves are named "untended" because they were abandoned by the remaining weakened gods, and why the firekeepers eyes had slivers and evidence of betrayal.
>>335667390
No kinkshame please
>>335666937
Oh right, I don't know how the fuck I forgot about that
>>335667550
How did the Big Bang happen? Pretty much the same question.
>>335667134
I don't think it's multiple realities just time overlapping. there are times where the fire has gone out
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>>335666696
Here is another one that involves everyone's favorite character Gwyndolin: This one is more "speculative", so feel free to take or leave it.
>Gwyndolin survived the events of Dark souls 1. Gwyndolin not only survived, but remained and subsisted as the last remaining god of anor londo and the surrounding land.
>With Gwyndolin the only remaining God he did what he thought was best as soon as the fire had been relinked: he guided the humans, rebuilt anor londo and reintroduced the humans to his own doctored miracles that were meant to replicate the miracles of his father Gwyn. Quite possible with the help of one of the serpents (Framptf?)
>Gwyndolin grew powerful, but ultimately could not truly replicate the splendor his father had created: Gwyndolin's influenced spread a constant and eternal "nightfall" over anor londo turning it into the cold tundra of the boreal valley and the miracles Gwyndolin spread in his father's name were.. "lacking" that certain GROSS INCANDESCENTS.>Gwyndolin may have been possibly able to briefly bring back his sister(?) Gwynevere(?) but king Ocerius turned into a freaky dragon? I'm not 100% sure about this part.
>Gwyndolin however became aware of the "meta" from the linking of the fire and established the court of cinders/the lord of cinders title in order to groom and produce worthy heirs and an established stock of humans/giants/whoever who could and WOULD keep the flame constantly lit over generations.
>This however eventually falls apart due to Aldritch's growing influence in the clergy- culminating in Gwyndolin's usurpation via vore.
>>335663680
Why does getting corrupted make you grow big?
>>335665307
enjoy being a kaathe cuck
>>335667081
The complicating factor there is that the Londorians don't want you to simply bring in the age of dark - they want you to steal the flame, to usurp it. Not the age of man (dark) or age of fire (gods) but the age of hollows.
If not for her saying she's failed Kaathe if she is killed would figure they are playing for a rebellion against Kaathe and the dorkwraiths.
>>335667510
>first life
now i'm really confused
>>335665205
Speaking of time travel if you buy something from the hag in the dark fierlink shrine the item disappears from her inventory in the normal shrine
>>335666801
The miracle was just written by Gertrude, it's not made of her soul or anything. Priscilla may not be fine, either. I know people have been fond of saying Aldricht never got to her and only dreamed of her etc., but we see some stuff reminiscent of the Painted World in the actual world which may make us want to think twice.
>Corvian scythe
>The Mistress of the Painted World is said to wield a great scythe herself.
It's wielded by those fucked up bird people things, the same item description calls them "heretics", we know heretical things were kept in the Painted World and that there were fucked up bird people living there since we fought them in DaS1. The scythes also have a bleed effect similar to lifehunt scythe's.
>Aldrich's Doll
Using a doll to get past Irithyll's barrier is exactly how you got entry into the Painted World in the first place.
>Yorshka
Priscilla was kept in the Painted World because she was a crossbreed. Why would Yorshka not also be kept there for the same reason? Yorshka also knows about the Darkmoons, Gwyn, and other shit from the good ol' age of fire, so it's not like she's so young she came after all of that. I think she must have been in the Painted World at some point, and either left or was forced out.
>Irithyll and Anor Londo in general
This one is really a stretch but they are snowy as fuck and we know Anor Londo wasn't like that at all in DaS1 so maybe, if some or all of the Painted World did leak out, it also had this effect.
Basically, my idea is that the Painted World got fucked up somewhere along the way of Anor Londo converging with the realms of other Lords of Cinder, or the Pontiff fucking everything up, or things in general just shitting the bed because the fire is fading.
And now things from the Painted World have been forced out. Maybe it happened naturally when the painting was fucked, maybe Aldrich/Pontiff found the Painting and tried to get to Priscilla, either way I don't think she's perfectly alright.
>>335667659
I'll leave most of that.
>>335666539
Because the jolly fat knights worship and serve the Angels, the golds are just the top tier members.
>>335667694
Like the Lords of Cinder, we are hollowed. We cannot die due to the curse.
The first cutscene shows us coming out of a casket, meaning we lived in Lothric before the event of DS3.
>>335667693
Nah, Kaathe tried the "not linking the flame" before. I think he figured you needed to stomp that shit out to truly have an age of dark. Thats why they groom the black holes in you, to suck the flame dry and stamp that shit out.
You become a king for it though, better than a pile of ashes imo.
>>335667450
Give the firekeeper eyes and she says even in the dark there will still be embers that may give rise to a new age of fire.
Not sure if that's still possible if you usurp the flame instead of letting it fade, though. That seems like it'd make you a Lord similar to Gwyn/Nito/Witch, just of dark rather than fire.
>>335663592
Londor dlc. you get armor types like yuria and instead of a shield you get a shooting device. they should call it bloodborne 2
>>335667887
Hollowing has been cured by DaS3. That's why you don't turn into beef jerky when you die. the Ashen one is an effigy created from the Ashes of lords past. Ash Unfit even to be Cinder. Your character was never a human to begin with.
So Nameless King is pretty much confirmed for being Gwyn's Son, isnt he? This BTFO of Solaire lovers.
>>335668037
>never a human
Then why do you start with the dark sigil?
>>335668085
>>335668085
>This BTFO of Solaire lovers.
Nah. He may not be Gwyns son but he still makes it to the kiln of the first flame. That is more significant to me.
>>335667791
She's alive happy and safe
>I have her dagger
God what I did still haunts me
>>335666987
MOAR LIEK SHIVA THE DECEASED
>>335668085
MFW my retarded friend won't let go of the "Solaire theory" lmao.
>>335668085
Yep. Everything about him, from visual design to his own item descriptions to the descriptions of other items found there like Ornstein's set pretty much confirm it.
>>335668102
You don't, you have to receive it from the the Pilgrim guy.
>>335660854
The Dark souls world is the same as Earth, our 'world' is just one iteration of the age of fire
Ludleth is an undead from a long time ago in our time and eventually links the flame after the undead curse spreads and society collapses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland
>>335668157
Well yeah I should have specified that it blows the fuck out of Solaire is Gwyn's son head cannon nerds. Solaire is still a pretty cool guy.
>>335668189
Sorry, I meant the darksign. Also the description
>Carriers of the Darksign are reborn after death, and eventually lose their minds, turn Hollow.
>>335668189
Nah, thats the dark sigil you dumbfuck. You do start with the darksign. Play the god damn game instead of going on /v/ shitposting.
>>335668189
He meant the darksign.
I hope some of the DLC shines some light on the untended gravesno pun intendedand what the whole deal there is. All theories seem just like speculation based on almost nothing right now
>>335667390
*inserts dick*
>>335668408
I'd like to see more of Londor, too. Maybe a dark-themed DLC again?
Although I think what really needs more clarification is the deep.
>>335668085
Solaire's armour and equipment in DaS1 BTFO'd that theory to begin with.
>>335667791
It says they kept Gertrude in a lofty cell in the Archives. You find the body and the miracle which she wrote inside a cell with feathers everywhere. The body is Gertrude.
I don't think the Painted World 'leaked out' either so much as information of it and what was in it spread, creating the heretics who somehow turned themselves into crow freaks who were obsessed with the Painted World and Priscilla both.
Yorshka isn't kept in the Painted World because the building and the painting as well are gone, so they instead just kept her at the top of an 'inaccessible' tower. Plus, she speaks fondly of Gwyndolin who - I would imagine seeing as he gave her her chime and all - didn't really mind a crossbreed as much as Gwyn would have, since I imagine Priscilla was drawn into the PW when Anor Londo was still populated, so I doubt she'd have a reason to be so depressed and lonely as to get sucked into the painting too.
Chances are that the painted world is safer than ever now since the actual entryway to get inside is gone forever.
So is one of the DLCs going to reveal to us the fate of my dear beloved Ocelotte?
>>335665205
My issue with that is that red eyes is implied to be the sign of bad case of abyss infection.
And I don't think it's something you can get better from. Which means it doesn't make sense that Gundyr was fully corrupted in the past, but less so in the "present".
>>335667791
What I find weird about the bird people (Corvians?) is that you find them in several places. Road of Sacrifices, Farron Keep, Grand Archives/Lothric Castle, that one in Ithryll, and even in the Untended Graves. What exactly are they?
>>335668408
Also I'd like to see DLC based on more Cathedral of the Deep style inquisitions like the one in the Undead Settlement. That was Berserk as fuck and was so rad.
>>335667134
Parallel universes/timelines would make a lot of sense given the nature the soul series. My personal theory is that the First Flame maintains a near infinite amount of timelines. Each timeline that links the fire just adds more time to the First Flame to exist, however for each timeline that links the fire there are two ore more where the chosen undead either gives up or rejects it. As less and less undead link the fire, the First Flame will eventually die out leaving only the Dark.
>>335668542
yes. raped and murdered. potentially simultaneously or in reverse order.
>>335668486
the deep is just the abyss as interpreted by the church of sulyvahn
>>335668527
>Building housing the painting collapses
>Painting is fucked up
>Painted World is fucked up
Yeah, much safer.
>>335668542
Stillbirth happened from dragon fuckery.
>>335668527
>You find the body and the miracle which she wrote inside a cell with feathers everywhere
I think it should be mentioned that the side of the Twin's room where Lothric is for the first half of the fight is covered in feathers.
>>335668564
he's definitely not "less" corrupted in the present, don't forget he turns into akira at the end of the fight.
So did anybody bother looking down while they were in untended graves? What the fuck is that glowing splotch underneath dark firelink? Is firelink the nexus?
>>335667390
>tag:gangbang, bukkake, skeleton, rape
