So what will Platinum replace the Nintendo references with when Bayo 2 comes to the PS4?
>>335647059
>when Bayo 2 comes to the PS4?
>>335647059
i dont think you'll have to worry about that, op
They'll do what they did on the PC and just call it Devil May Cry.
Same thing they did with Bloodborne. We called it Dark Souls and called it a day.
>>335647190
Why is Jimmy Fallon always sweaty? He's not fat.
>>335647059
Kamiya please stop, it's embarrassing.
never ever, but if it did happen I'd want to see it come with a 60 FPS digital download of bayo 1 with the Peach costume replaced with a Ricky Bobby costume
Kawaii post, OP-chan!
never ever tho (though)!
>>335647059
Time to rev up those petitions bro
>>335647059
Probably some Crash Bandicoot references to hype up the reboot coming out soon
>when
>>335647059
They'll replace them with "no games" references
>>335647059
The same way you could play the first Mass Effect on PS3, an interactive comic.
>>335647059
NEVER
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>>335647059
>When Bayo 2 comes to the PS4
People are still salty about Bayonetta?
>>335647689
Maybe they got bored of Bloodborne and are finally comming out of the basementworks.
>>335647689
Yep. It was even worse than BB when it released.
>>335647283
worst post in the history of reddit
>>335647689
I can understand sony supporters being angry. After all, the Ps4 is supposed to have a monopoly on cinematic experiences. Someone coming in and taking their thunder isn't too pleasant.
>>335647689
Bayonetta caused as much salt as FF13 did when it came out on 360, hell Bayo may have even cause more.
>tfw Smash ensured Bayonetta will never go multiplat ever again
Parappa the Rapper, Ape Escape, Medievil, and Kat costumes
>>335647843
>Xenoblade's got more cutscene time than motherfucking MGS4
>>335647843
Don't ever compare the CURAYHZEE to "cinematic" bullshit you utter pleb
>>335647285
He seems like he's always nervous. Try and watch his show. He's constantly laughing because the idea of dead air terrifies him.
>>335648221
The image doesn't lie, anon. If I can't withstand TLOU's cinematic garbage despite the "hundreds of hours" of multiplayer it promises, you can imagine how much more grating it is with Bayonetta which is a shorter game.
> when Bayo 2 comes to the PS4?
Can you ask again?
>>335648180
Well it is an rpg
>>335648340
So? Super Mario RPG doesn't even have 1 hour of cutscenes, and yet it has more rewarding gameplay and less cinematics. I could say the same about the Paper Mario series too.
Story is cancer in video games. It's a tumor that should've been cut out years ago.
>>335648180
It's almost as if Xenoblade is an RPG that's over 40 hours long. RPGs having cutscenes. MAN THAT'S WILD.
>>335648435
Mario RPG is known for being a short rpg, hell the only RPG shorter I can think of is Skyrim
>>335648438
desu I've spent more time in roguelikes and they have almost zero story. Again, it's hardly an excuse.
>>335648561
Mario RPGs are known for brevity. They don't throw a bunch of filler at you (most of the time). That's what makes them better.
When you have a story latched onto your game, suddenly everything's gotta cater to it. You gotta do this random sidequest, take waifu bate out on a date, resolve this meaningless dispute, etc. None of it makes the game better. It's just something you wouldn't miss if you skipped it altogether.
>>335648583
And I'm sure you don't need music and graphics either because DF exists.
Fuck all of it, we need text adventures.
>>335648180
That's less than a quarter of the game in cutscenes compared to MGS4's being well over half the game in cutscenes.
>>335648775
Are you saying DF is a bad game? Because maybe if we didn't spend billions on orchestral OSTs and realistic 500 billion dollar graphics assets, maybe games wouldn't need to be hollywood blockbusters just to break even.
>yfw Sony strikes a deal with Nintendo for Bayo 2 in exchange for Bloodborne at 60FPS on NX with all the DLC and Zelda/Professor Layton costumes
>>335648905
No, but it's an example of a game being nothing, no music, no graphics.
Also, I really fucking doubt that Bayonetta or Xenoblade had very big budgets. Most RPGs do not. Final Fantasy is not the norm.
I dont even care what games go to what console, I just love to see the salt that comes when the deals are done
>>335649007
I don't do platform war faggotry so this is only a good thing
>>335647059
chain chomp to wrecking ball
>>335649131
>No, but it's an example of a game being nothing, no music, no graphics.
And it demonstrates how wonderful a game can be when someone focuses solely on the gameplay. No sex, no violence, no abundance of cinematics, no gimmicks, no celebrity voice actors. Just gameplay.
>Also, I really fucking doubt that Bayonetta or Xenoblade had very big budgets.
Is that why they're both 60 dollars each, when I can play a smaller 10 dollar game like Terraria and get 10 times the gameplay of both of them combined?
I'll never understand this meme that games NEED to have massive stories, or expensive assets, or need to be 60 dollars.
They're replace them with all of the memorable Playstation mascots like...
>>335649007
>From
>Optimization
>>335649441
Are you unironically comparing Bayonetta to Terraria? They're nothing alike.
>>335649691
If anyone could make them do it, it's Nintendo
![2010114-257px_victor_sullivan_render[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/T3xSSHB.png "2010114-257px_victor_sullivan_render[1].png")
>>335649630
>Bayo wearing a Sulley costume that's 2 sizes too small
Sign me up
>>335647059
>when Bayo 2 comes to the PS4?
>>335649697
I'm comparing 2 video games and their budgets and focuses. Being of different genres does little to hamper the argument.
One doesn't shove blatant, disgusting sex fanservice and pandering at me, doesn't shove cinematics in my face, has more gameplay, is better optimized, doesn't come latched with DRM, doesn't waste millions of dollars on graphics, and is all around a better example of what a video game should be.
>>335649773
I would love to see that much salt and asspain from bitterbutts but there is no way BB would be tossed around like that
If anything, it would be actual consistent 30FPS, not 60
>>335649897
>>335647059
>All these years later and still butthurt
It's still just as funny.
>>335650103
Consider this: for every "cinematic experience" like TLOU or Bayonetta, I can easily list a better, non-cinematic game, even if it's of a different genre.
>>335649897
You can tell Terraria doesn't waste money on graphics because it stole assets from games like Final Fantasy.
>>335649897
One of the games has a reason to play after 5 minutes.
I'll even give you a hint.It's not fucking Terraria.
>>335650427
>>335647059
You do realize that Nintendo now has full publishing rights to Bayonetta games? Sega still owns the IP and could likely have her make cameos in non-Nintendo system games, but there will never be another Bayonetta game for a non-Nintendo system ever.
>>335649897
Bro I agree with you and we appear to have similar taste, but you're a bit off the deep end
>>335650563
They have full publishing rights to Bayonetta 2.
Nothing about Bayonetta 3.
>YFW Bayonetta 3 is an Xbone exclusive
>Bayonetta 4 is a PS4K exclusive
>Bayonetta 5 is a PC exclusive
>Bayonetta 6 goes back to Nintendo for an NX exclusive
>Bayonetta becomes the industry's town bicycle
>>335650658
No anon, cutscenes and graphics are the LITERAL DEVIL and TRUE VIDEO GAMES (TM) have NEITHER
>>335650446
>>335650462
>>335650484
>>335650764
>it's wrong to like a game that doesn't spend millions of voice acting and having the main character strip in an obnoxiously long cutscene
Literally no better than wanting games to be cinematic novels that pander to tumblr.
>>335650658
I'm afraid I don't get the hype around Bayonetta, or Devil May Cry. See, because I'm over 18, I don't instantly upvote a game because it has boobs in it. The gameplay bored me, so no amount of sexy fanservice could redeem it. Shoot, it'd be the equivalent of liking Undertale "for the story" or liking Uncharted "for the story".
>>335649897
>disgusting sex fanservice and pandering
There are a few suggestive shots in each game that reach campy levels of silliness, calm down
>cinematics
Are cinematics inherently bad now?
>has more gameplay
This is incredibly vague, but either way Bayo has a pretty deep combo system for only using two main attack buttons, not even counting the different weapon permutations along with equipment slots. I don't think it's exactly lacking in the "gameplay" department
>is better optimized
I've seen the framerate dip in Bayonetta a couple of times, usually when I use Pillow Talk to kill like 15 of the little angels at once. I hardly think this is a game-breaking experience
>doesn't come latched with DRM
How? It's not always-online, there's no verification shit, you can buy the game used, what fucking DRM are you referring to?
>doesn't waste millions of dollars on graphics
Is a good-looking game inherently bad too?
>and is all around a better example of what a video game should be
Well that's just like, your opinion man.
>>335650743
>back to NX
>Implying it wont be a Microsoft phone exclusive.
>>335650856
No one's saying you're wrong to enjoy less graphically intensive, story-light games, but you're saying it's wrong to enjoy games with any cutscenes whatsoever
>>335650856
>I'm over 18, therefor mature, I play a 2D Minecraft clone with sprites stolen from games and is popular with children
Autism.
>>335650952
>Microsoft phone
>Implying it won't be a HTC Vibe 2 exclusive
>You can finally be Bayonetta
>>335650856
>>335650880
>There are a few suggestive shots in each game that reach campy levels of silliness, calm down
See, I find that to be the equivalent of "pretending to be retarded". The game is still using them, so it's just as bad as if it was being genuine.
>Are cinematics inherently bad now?
I'm playing a video game, and I'm pretty sure video games should be interactive. Watching 2-3 hours of cutscenes doesn't fit that, and for 60 dollars I shouldn't have to be skipping scenes left and right just to get to the gameplay. What happened to light games like Contra, where the story was almost an afterthought?
>but either way Bayo has a pretty deep combo system
And? Terraria does that times ten, even in a 2D environment. No sex or gimmicks or quick time events or flashy "action finishers" either. Something the first Bayo was super guilty of.
>I've seen the framerate dip in Bayonetta a couple of times,
I'm sorry, but isn't the WiiU's strongpoint that it sacrifices super realsitic graphics for better optimization? This is kind of unacceptable for a full price game.
>what fucking DRM are you referring to?
I'm referring to console DRM. The kind that says I'm not allowed to mod the game, customize it, use my own UI, use my own controller, chnage the resolution, force change the framerate, stuff like that. Alot of these things are necessities for someone like me.
>Is a good-looking game inherently bad too?
If you're spending a sizable budget on it, then yes.
>>335650856
I thought of writing a response, but I can't keep up the charade.
I'm just going to join >>335651172 and post pictures of people laughing.
>>335649897
>>335650978
>>335651172
>but you're saying it's wrong to enjoy games with any cutscenes whatsoever
I'm not saying that. I'm just asking why games need massive stories with overinflated budgets and voice acting and cringeworthy dialogue. Does any game need more than maybe a half hour of cinematics, an hour at the very very most?
Like, you could've gone the Metroid Prime route and had any and all story hidden as scannable lore. You could've gone the Pac man/Mega Man route and had the story in an online instruction manual. You could've gone the DOTA2 route and have most of the story in comic form. At no point did you need to waste all that money ingame, and waste my time skipping the scenes.
>>335647285
Because he knows he is a hack and not funny at all
>>335651278
>>335649441
>Terraria
You can play Korean MMOs for free. Why would you ever pay for a Korean MMO without the cute girls, other players or third dimension?
>>335647689
yeah
>>335651496
I know right, games shouldn't have evolved at all since the 8bit era.
And MOBAs an shitty 2D Minecraft clones with stolen assets are the things we should make all games after.
>>335647059
I dont know how they gonna do that when nintendo funded platinum for it. Nintendo owns the rights.
>>335647916
>>335647689
>>335647820
Nothing will surpass the madness when MGS Collection was released on 360
Shitposters plus MGSfags is the worst combination
>>335651756
>>335651712
>>335651428
>>335651364
>>335651172
>>335651837
I'm just saying. We need more games like Terraria and Shovel Knight and less Undertale and Gone Home. Can't we at least agree there? You can hate Terraria all you want, there's plenty of good indie games with pretty much zero story. But would you rather take the alternative of some "progressive" narrative visual novel, or pretentious hollywood cinematic experience?
>>335648705
SPM has like 20 minutes of intro cutscenes that you have to repeat should you dare to pick the ''no I don't want to save the world'' option.
>>335651930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EJ_QarIUqI
>>335651930
If I had to pick between those two groups and only those two groups, then yes.
The former wins.
However everything other than Shovel Knight can go fuck off if I had a say in specifics.
I want games with some effort put into them.
>>335651981
Yeah, I was kind of on the fence of including SPM. It's a little too heavy handed and poorly made when compared to previous Mario RPGs.
>>335651930
No, for real though, Terraria is the worst of the autism simulator genre. Even Minecraft is better because it at least has exploration. Terraria's worldgen is always the same except for a coinflip whether you get the "corruption" or the "crimson." You should not be holding that garbage up as an exemplar of story-light gameplay.
t. someone who doesn't like Platinum games
>>335651930
Gone Home is ENTIRELY gameplay. Isn't that what you want? The story is found by exploring and examining items.
>>335652126
>>335652071
Alrighty then. Fair enough. Then how about I make some other recommendations, besides Terraria? Pic related, my pics for best games of 2014.
You can see how they compare in comparison to Bayonetta and TLOU and the other highly shilled games.
>>335651930
>>335651910
There really wasn't that much ass mad over that.
>>335647689
>>335652218
There IS no real gameplay, though. You're literally walking down a corridor, no challenge, no difficulty, no scaling levels. The game is Metroid Prime gone horribly, horribly wrong.
>>335652237
>this guy again
>>335652237
Alright, I'm starting to think this isn't a big joke.
>>335652237
PCfat, butthurt former SEGA fanboy?
>>335651910
I barely even remember that, goes to show how little assmad there was.
It's nothing compared to FFXIII being confirmed to have a 360 version.
>>335652481
>>335652460
>>335652454
What? I recommended games other than Terraria. Is that not what you wanted?
>>335652237
>RPGs with lots of cutscenes at the top
>MOMS GONNA FREAK the rougelike
#wow #woah
>>335649773
The hell? Why would you think that? Have you forgotten that not even Starfox Zero with its N64 graphics could run at 60?
>>335652237
>SK that high
>Transistor that high
>Dong Freeze and Bayonetta 2 that low
>Titanfall sharing a spot with ORAS and ESO
>Goat Simulator even being mentioned
lmao
>>335652723
Grimrock and Divinity are manageable for 2 reasons: less than 1 hour of cinematics each, and I can mod them to have no story at all. If Bayo let me mod, or any console game for that matter, they would get much more lenience.
>>335652783
>SK deserves it for being a highly polished game
>Transistor had a neat battle system
>both were weak iterations that relied on hype and sex and memes (expand dong for example). Gameplay was a little on the casual side)
>all of them were cashins without any soul or effort put in
>I thought it was a neat little simulator,but not worth the money
What's the problem here?
>>335647059
She would look super cute in boyish clothing, like a nathan drake adventurer outfit, or bald and tatted up like kratos.
Or maybe dressed like bloodborne guy.
>>335653015
>I am so fucking autistic, a game is only good if I can gut it until it is anemic
No fucking wonder you like 2D Minecraft clones with stolen assets.
Wonderful 101>Bayonetta 2.
>>335653419
>wanting to skip the boring story and loading screens associated with them is "autistic"
Maybe I just want to get to the gameplay better. But I guess thats silly, right? Who plays video games for the gameplay?
>>335653671
That's probably why you enjoy a 2D Minecraft clone instead of an action game or a game DKCTF.
>>335652272
>I WANT TO KICK A DOLPHIN IN ITS VAGINA HARD
never gets old
>>335653015
>SK deserves it for being a highly polished game
Polished, sure, but it isn't even the best platformer on your list.
>Transistor
>A neat battle system
Turn() makes the entire game into a fucking joke, it was easy enough without it. Nothing else it does is exactly revolutionary.
>both were weak iterations that relied on hype and sex and memes (expand dong for example). Gameplay was a little on the casual side)
>I have literally never played Tropical Freeze or Bayonetta: The Post
I guess you must have missed the part where reviewers slammed Tropical Freeze for being too hard for them. I guess you also must have missed out on the fact that both games actually have hard modes for people who think they're hot shit at the game (you aren't)
>all of them were cashins without any soul or effort put in
It still had more going for it than either of the other two - new setting, unique mechanics to set itself apart from traditional shooters, big stompy robots, etc.
>I thought it was a neat little simulator,but not worth the money
Goat Simulator was supposed to be a mockery of the current state of the industry and how devs would release unfinished, minimally viable products riddled with bugs and other game-breaking issues, and then people ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT.
>>335652237
>Hyrule Warriors
>Bad
Motherfucker its one of the best Musou games of all time.
>>335653823
>Shovel Knight
>2d Minecraft clone
hatever you say.
>>335654053
Were you born this retarded, or did you have to work at it?
>>335654053
Terraria.
You're not exactly explaining why it's a good game outside of IT AIN'T GOT NO CUTSCENES.
And Shovel Knight is great, but better than a game like Bayonetta or even the games it was influenced by? Not really.
NEVER EVER
>>335653862
>Polished, sure, but it isn't even the best platformer on your list.
It's probably the only one that isn't lumped with DRM, lets' me use my controller of choice, and lets me mod it as I please. No uncomfortable WiiU controllers being forced on me, or PS4 facebook buttons to worry about.
>Turn() makes the entire game into a fucking joke, it was easy enough without it. Nothing else it does is exactly revolutionary.
Replayability is pretty easy, I'll admit. It's why it's not my GOTY, just a mere contender.
>I guess you must have missed the part where reviewers slammed Tropical Freeze for being too hard for them.
Reviewers had a hard time beating Firewatch and Undertale. That doesn't make the games themselves hard. It just means reviewers are video game-illiterate.
>new setting, unique mechanics to set itself apart from traditional shooters, big stompy robots, etc.
And yet no singleplayer, loads of burdensome and broken DLC, DRM that restricted any meaningful online play, robots which were weak as paper, and so on.
>people ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT.
That's why it's so low on the list.
>>335653897
Musou games are pretty casual, and their reliance on "waifus" and "sexy girls" made me hate it more. i play video games for a challenge, not glorified porn.
>>335654324
Terraria isn't casual?
>>335654212
>>335654240
Why are you still talking about Terraria? You said you didn't like it, so I decided to try giving you other games that you'd like. ones that, in your words, didn't "rip assets" or whatever. I'm trying to work with you, even if I disagree with your thoughts about Terraria.
>And Shovel Knight is great, but better than a game like Bayonetta or even the games it was influenced by? Not really.
>Smaller budget, free content, less cinematics, less sex pandering, less junk. More focus on gameplay.
Yes, I would say it's better.
>>335654415
Expert Mode would argue that.
>>335654530
Anon, are you uncomfortable with sexuality?
Were you abused as a child, or witness abuse?
You can talk to us Anon, we'll understand.
>>335654678
I'm uncomfortable paying money for glorified porn, when I can get it for free on the internet.
I know alot of people love paying for stuff that used to be freely available(PSN and Xbox Live online services, for example) but it's not something I enjoy doing. You can understand, right?
Why don't people just get every console so they don't have to worry about exclusives?
We're quite a few years into the new gen. Being poor isnt excuse. Saving 1 dollar every day since the 3DS came out, or even the WiiU when it was announced, would have been enough to own all consoles and games for each by now.
>>335654845
Yet you are perfectly content with playing games like Divinity, which are glorified picture books or Terraria, which is like legos.
Both of which, I'm sure you own already. Why even pay for videogames when fun can be had for free?
>>335654324
>It's probably the only one that isn't lumped with DRM
Again with this meme - show me where the "DRM" is on your other platformers other than "y-you can't mod them!" or "I have to buy a console for it!"
>Wii U controller is uncomfortable
Ha
>That doesn't make the games themselves hard. It just means reviewers are video game-illiterate.
Yeah, you definitely haven't played it.
>didn't even address the point about Hard Mode
lmao
>And yet no singleplayer, loads of burdensome and broken DLC, DRM that restricted any meaningful online play, robots which were weak as paper, and so on.
I didn't say it was perfect, hell, I didn't even say it was good, I said it was BETTER than the other two. ESO is an ordinary MMO that's only noteworthy for being Elder Scrolls, and ORAS is Hoenn: Somehow Worse edition. Titanfall is better than both.
>That's why it's so low on the list.
The fact you put it on the list at all means you missed the intention behind it, and probably even paid money for that sort of thing.
>>335647459
>>335653015
>>both were weak iterations that relied on hype and sex and memes (expand dong for example).
ah yes all those official TF ads with expand dong memes on them despite being an E rated game.
Posting on a neverever thread
>>335653015
>>335655292
He's got you there buddy
>>335654949
What's wrong with legos?
>>335655002
>Again with this meme - show me where the "DRM" is on your other platformers other than "y-you can't mod them!" or "I have to buy a console for it!"
How is that not the very definition of DRM? Imagine if every game you ever liked forced you to install steam to play it. Or made you install origin. Wouldn't that be unfair, or outright restrictive?
>Yeah, you definitely haven't played it.
Is this the "le git gud" argument from the Souls fanbase? Because truth be told, everyone thinks their game is super hard core. Infact, you used game journos "slamming DK for being too hard" yet they gave Bayonetta a 91 on metacritic. So I guess it was easy for them, if we're going by your logic?
>Titanfall is better than both.
Being a shooter on a console just kind of ruins any other "positive advantages" that it may have had. It's restrictive and hurtful for the consumer's basic rights to be comfortable and allowed options.
>The fact you put it on the list at all means you missed the intention behind it
So.... if I hate it, that means I've missed the point?
>>335647285
probably the cocaine
>>335655292
>ah yes all those official TF ads with expand dong memes on them despite being an E rated game.
Think of it like how people hate Undertale for being a "meme game" because the fans made memes like Papyrus and his spaghetti, and Sans and le bad time puns. The fans marketing the game on imageboards with that kind of meme pandering gets really annoying.
>>335655517
The post in question said the game relied on ''memes''. It has nothing to do with shit that's been posted here since years before TF was even announced.
>>335655712
Yes, it relied on memes to sell. Why do you think people want games like Firewatch and Undertale to be banned from /v/? Because the marketing is see-through as all heck, and the "memes" made from the games are clearly meant to advertise it on various image boards. It's specifically why advertising is not allowed on /v/, as per global rules.
>>335655439
So essentially, your hissy fit boils down to:
>game I want isn't available on PC
>devs/companies refuse to make game available on all platforms
>I will cry about it and call it shit
Can't help but notice that everything console exclusive ranks as a 5 or below, regardless of quality, reviews, general consensus, etc. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore it for the sake of discussion, but this pretty much confirms that your anger comes from a serious case of sour grapes.
I pray your autism doesn't seep into the rest of your life for your own sake. 'Night buddy.
>>335655871
>Yes, it relied on memes to sell.
How can it rely on memes to sell when none of its marketing included said memes?
>Why do you think people want games like Firewatch and Undertale to be banned from /v/?
Because their fanbase is annoying.
> and the "memes" made from the games are clearly meant to advertise it on various image boards
Honey, you're deluded if you think Undertale needs /v/ of all things to sell when not only did it already come out half a year ago but the fact that there's much larger communities spreading the popularity like, you know, Youtube.
What's next, you're gonna say that people posting Solaire images are secretly Dark Souls marketers?
>>335656040
I'm not crying at all, anon. I'm merely judging a game by its objective quality. And consoles just don't offer quality that much. It's mostly cashing in on hype. Pretty much every game hyped up as the next exclusive is the "goat simulator" of their respective console. They do alot of shady things, like day 1 DLC and region locking and removing content from online, and people buy it! So I think it's my perogative as a paying customer to at least point out the issue here.
>>335656224
>How can it rely on memes to sell when none of its marketing included said memes?
Marketing on /v/ relied on it. Again, same as Undertale and FNAF.
>Because their fanbase is annoying.
Is this a proper reason to have the games banned? Because any fanbase can look bad if you say they are.
>What's next, you're gonna say that people posting Solaire images are secretly Dark Souls marketers?
The several hundred thousand catalogued threads of Solaire and "why haven't you bought Dark Souls yet" discussions would make any reasonable person suspicious.
>>335656489
I'm pretty sure the guy who guts games to near nothing is not reasonable.
>>335656587
>guts the games to near nothing
I'm only cutting the story elements that I deem excessive. If a game is nothing without its story, then what does that say?
>>335656489
But goat simulator did none of those thing
>BB thread
>Fucking sonnyggers, shill!, le flamewar bait, report report
>Obvious flamewar shit thread for a literally who game (yeah real embarrassing PCucks try harder)
>le never ever
Kys reported every single one of you
>>335656489
>Marketing on /v/ relied on it.
Nice job moving the goalpost. Now it's not the game but ''the marketing on /v/'', and it's caused by those secret marketers using memes that have been used for years before TF was even announced. Nothing about this makes the game ''rely'' on memes when even its own marketers don't even remotely talk about it at all and all you have is speculation.
>Is this a proper reason to have the games banned?
We're not arguing the validity of the reason.
>The several hundred thousand catalogued threads of Solaire and "why haven't you bought Dark Souls yet" discussions would make any reasonable person suspicious.
Holy shit you're for real.
I guess the people posting variants of ''RIP AND TEAR'' are Doom marketers even though it's been used years before Doom 4 was even hinted at? People using the ''could mozart be alive?'' meme are Mario marketers. People using the ''ehreeh'' forest temple thing are Zelda marketers. People making sanic drawings and saying ''gotta go fast'' are Sega marketers.
What else is there, mr tinfoil hat?
>>335656941
>Now it's not the game but ''the marketing on /v/'', and it's caused by those secret marketers using memes that have been used for years before TF was even announced
Those are your words, anon. Why else do you think /v/ complains about marketers every other thread? Are you gonna deny that Bethesda didn't at least hire some people to make Todd Howard a meme, so more people would buy Fallout 4 in the hype? Or the console warring that results in people buying consoles either out of spite, or whatever. You think that isn't orchestrated by clever marketers? I'm just saying, i've been around the chans for a decade, I know what I'm seeing pretty clearly.
>those examples
I guess you've never heard of someone advertising their youtube channels? Most of your memes were made by well known youtubers like Emptyhero. You think he doesn't want more traffic to his channel?
Metal Gear Movie put it best: memes are some of the most intriguing ways of influencing people's attitudes. Look at this thread for example. Someone clearly baiting by saying that Bayonetta will come to Ps4, and all the people who replied. Could it be a Bayonetta fan stealthfully trying to stir discussion? An idort shitposting? Or amaybe someone who doesn't understand licensing contracts? Either way, you don't know. That's the power of anonymity on 4chins, and could be used for powerful marketing forces.
>>335649897
>100 hours of mining and shallow retarded combat vs 100 hours of pure skill based deep combat.
You keep doing you, you gameplay evangelist.
>>335657536
>console game with almost 3 hours of cutscenes
>skill and/or deep combat
Yes, clicking a button to watch Bayonetta strip in a cutscene is very hard.
>>335647059
Don't care if I'm a faggot for saying this but I absolutely hate the fact that Bayo2 is a fucking WiiShit exclusive.
Fuck Nintendo and fuck their shit gimmick systems. I want Bayo2 on an actual system that real adults play
You fags can post your NEBER EBER meme's I don't give a fuck
>>335647059
its almost like you want to disappointed
>>335647059
>when Bayo 2 comes to the PS4?
Oh is this thread , AGAIN
>Sony games already on pc
feels god lad , every console is getting kuked hard.
>>335651278
Bayo's deep combo system, Terraria does times 10, everyone. Of all the games with cutscenes you could have picked, you chose one with some of the deepest game mechanics out there. You dun goof'd.
>>335647059
Sorry OP, Bayonetta's a Nintendo princess now.
>>335657836
wow, that is... I don't even...
Are you saying that console games are incapable of being deep?
>>335658323
>you chose one with some of the deepest game mechanics out there
Who says this, exactly? The game journalists who slammed Donkey Kong for being hard, yet their opinions are still relevant? The people on /v/ who have a tendency to be contrarian just for the heck of it?
I'm curious as to who, as a trustworthy source, would say that Bayonetta is perfect and immune to criticism.
>>335658367
PC games can be casual too, but there are far more "fairweather fans" on consoles. I mean no offense, of course, but for every weak indie PC title like Undertale, """"games"""" like The Order 1886 are shilled to death and come out en masse. And of course the ever-popular Halo and Bloodborne titles, which pride themselves on being accessible to newcomers.
>>335653446
W101 is a goddamn 13/10 and its flaws bring it down to 10/10.
>gayonetta
>>335652218
>Gone Home is ENTIRELY gameplay.
Zoe Quinn please go.
>>335658702
So, you do not deny saying that all console games are casual, not deep and not even comparable to PC games.
I deduct this by the fact that not only you did not say it isn't true, but you also gave an dickish explanation about how they being casual is ok because there are other casual games on PC, using one of the worst games in recent memory as an example on how it is ok to be casual.
I have played terraria for well over 70 hours, and bayoneta for more than 50, I can tell you that there is absolutely no challenge in terraria. There is no deep combat, no meaningful combat strategy or tactic or any way to make combos. The hardest part of terraria is grinding, and boy o boy you need to grind to beat that game. From finding the right materials (with random drops I must add unless its a mineral) to building bridges to just be able to fight, finding hearts to gain more life to spell books to have magic. The most complex battle tactic you could employ is putting blocks arround you so monsters won't reach while you kill them.
And that is just one problem it has. Meanwhile I have spent 50 hours playing Bayonetta and still haven't been able to master real combos to the point of executing them flawlessly . You cry about the cutscenes like there is no skip button and say that you want your favorite controller even if the wii U have tons of controller options (and personally the pro controller is by far the best controller I have ever used).
Now, to address the bigger issue: Console games have been for quite some time way deeper than must PC games. Where do you think most fighters come from? Two genres have always been deeper in PC, FPS and RTS.
Then you cry about modding? the companies that allow their games to be modded are generally the ones that releases the most broken games unless they are indie. The vast majority of companies won't let you touch their code.
>>335659759
>Terraria isn't challenging
That's fine if you don't think it is. It's not for everyone
>I grinded
WHOA. Hold on there mate. Now you're talking crazy. You do know there's ways to progress without ever once digging a hole, right? That's what fishing was made for, as was overworld exploration. Have you touched the game post-1.3?
>Meanwhile I have spent 50 hours playing Bayonetta and still haven't been able to master real combos
If the game was actually hard enough to require expert combos to beat, maybe you'd have a point. But my experience of the game was basically "I'm button mashing, but I'm not dying. Gee, what challenge".
I guess I don't care about epic gamer scores or trophies or whatsoever, so I have no incentive to use the more complicated combos.
>say that you want your favorite controller even if the wii U have tons of controller options
Can I use a keyboard and mouse? If not, then the options are lacking.
>Where do you think most fighters come from?
And which platforms out there let you use any and all control schemes for those fighters? Can I play Pokken with a Steel Battalion controller? Can I play Street Fighter 5 on a console using a modified Sega Dreamcast controller? Can I use a keyboard and mouse there too?
>the companies that allow their games to be modded are generally the ones that releases the most broken games unless they are indie.
I'll take broken to DRM, because the former will at least get better. Whereas the latter stays forever.
>>335647565
got any more Metal Slug reaction images?
>>335657918
That's a large number of words to say ''I don't give a fuck''
>>335660215
>That's fine if you don't think it is. It's not for everyone
You got the wrong idea, I didn't say I didn't like it, I say it is shallow, your answer is just wrong.
>>I grinded
I never said I grinded, and waiting over a year to get one update that allows to partially circumvent a great issue of the game is not the meaning of a grat game by a long shot.
>I guess I don't care about epic gamer scores or trophies or whatsoever, so I have no incentive to use the more complicated combos.
Then the game is not for you, see, I used your answer against you, but I did it correctly. That by no means mean the game is shallow, just that you don't like it, and that is fine, what is not fine is you judging it as an objectively bad game just because of it.
>Can I use a keyboard and mouse? If not, then the options are lacking
you are right, it does not have your controller of choice, but so the PC lacks the ability to use other controllers, like the game pad (or wii u tablet), that doesn't make the PC worst, just a diferent option. An option superior in some genres, as I mentioned before, but not the absolute best.
>Can I play Pokken with a Steel Battalion controller?
See pic related? My point stands, you don't need every controller to play a game, and if you think a game absolutely needs such weird controllers to be played then maybe they are not for you, because normal fighting sticks are available in all modern consoles.
>I'll take broken to DRM, because the former will at least get better. Whereas the latter stays forever.
So you ONLY buy games from gog, desura or old retail games (which most likely still have keys and programs like gamespy)? apart from of course a couple of indies that sell the games in their page.
I hate DRM as much as the next guy, in fact I tend to not buy games even if I want them depending on ho hard is the DRM, but the vast majority have DRM. And I for one prefer non intrusive DRM than gamebreaking bugs.
>>335657918
Slow down, i can only harvest so much tears before the tanks are full
>>335661286
>You got the wrong idea, I didn't say I didn't like it, I say it is shallow, your answer is just wrong.
And who are you to say that? According to your earlier posts, popularity dictated that Bayonetta was good because alot of people liked it. The same is true of Terraria, so by default your argument is invalid.
>I never said I grinded, and waiting over a year to get one update
Because Terraria hasn't had countless updates that put tons of content into the game? Even before fishing?
>That by no means mean the game is shallow,
Who are you to indicate whether a game is shallow?
>but so the PC lacks the ability to use other controllers, like the game pad (or wii u tablet),
Um.... but that's completely wrong. The WiiU gamepad is perfectly compatible with the PC. A quick tutorial if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICarhfik-HQ&feature=youtu.be
So again the PC comes out on top here thanks to its near infinite options.
>My point stands, you don't need every controller to play a game,
But the option should still be open to me. Am I not paying for your product, therefore I should be allowed to alter it as I please? A certain court case between Nintendo and Game Genie from the 1990s would argue in my favor.
>So you ONLY buy games from gog, desura or old retail games
I love having those options. Even if I use steam, I want versions off of steam so I can play them whenever. Infact, even Undertale lets you download it directly from the developer. No DRM necessary.
>And I for one prefer non intrusive DRM than gamebreaking bugs.
Yes, but we all know that the DRM we're discussing right now is far from "non-intrusive".
>>335661981
>And who are you to say that? According to your earlier posts, popularity dictated that Bayonetta was good because alot of people liked it
please point at those posts, my first one was this >>335658367 so feel free to quote where I said bayo was good for being liked.
>Because Terraria hasn't had countless updates that put tons of content into the game? Even before fishing?
Adding some items and a couple of enemies is not something that fixes a game, terraria is shallow to the point that your only defense is "they added more content!" and not "the game is not shallow as you say because of ______" or "the battle system is deep because you can____"
>Who are you to indicate whether a game is shallow?
As I already said, I used this points:
-there is no strategy while battling
-there is no tactics other than kite
-the only objective is to defeat boses (which requires battling) and building (which requires grinding and nothing else.)
>The WiiU gamepad is perfectly compatible with the PC.
I stand corrected then, now to find how to use it, as you know, only the wii u have it integrated, and before you say Cemo, let me quite their gomepage:
>Cemu is not intended for general use yet.
>But the option should still be open to me. Am I not paying for your product, therefore I should be allowed to alter it as I please?
Not really no, I guess what you mean is to modify for personal use, then yes, you should, but court is a case by case scenario, so that doesn't really prove anything, And just because you could, doesn't really mean you should, so my point stands, a game designed with a control scheme in mind is generally better when played with that specific controller, and programing a game to be compatible with every controller is not something profitable, that would make you fall in one pit you hate, which is "wasting money in unnecessary things like story, graphics and sound."
>>335661981
>I love having those options
so do I, but as I said, the vast majority are not available free DRM, which is a reality we must accept.
>Yes, but we all know that the DRM we're discussing right now is far from "non-intrusive".
I'm sorry, yes, consoles are expensive, but are far less intrusive than steam, with all the fact that they banning you means nothing while steam banning you means you lost your games. Someone hacking your steam account means you lost everything while hacking a console not only does little and is incredibly hard but also is easy to circumvent.
>>335662878
Are you forgetting the hundred post saying that Bayo is "Deep" because people said it was?
>Adding some items and a couple of enemies
How about the reworking of the entire combat system? The complete overhaul of how worlds are generated? The entire equipment management system and inner workings of game mechanics? Those aren't noteworthy updates?
>As I already said, I used this points:
I could easily say that Bayonetta is guilty of all of these things. The combo system is superfluous and not even that necessary against 99% of bosses, and you can just button mash to victory. I don't see a single difference.
>I stand corrected then, now to find how to use it, as you know, only the wii u have it integrated, and before you say Cemo, let me quite their gomepage:
So you didn't see the youtube vid I linked? or the comments below the vid which has updated links to the software?
>a game designed with a control scheme in mind is generally better when played with that specific controller,
That's what they said about the original Doom, all the way back in the 1990's on DOSbox. Then a genius altered the gameplay with KBM controls, and it was history from there.
>and programing a game to be compatible with every controller is not something profitable, that would make you fall in one pit you hate, which is "wasting money in unnecessary things like story, graphics and sound."
I would argue that how you directly control the game is far more necessary to the gameplay than pretty excessive graphics, or a story which you can just skip.
>>335663085
>so do I, but as I said, the vast majority are not available free DRM, which is a reality we must accept.
As a paying customer, I don't have to accept jack squat. Competitors offer me better choices, so it's a non-issue.
>with all the fact that they banning you means nothing while steam banning you means you lost your games
Except that most console companies will brick your console and you lose all online games.
>>335663085
>Someone hacking your steam account means you lost everything while hacking a console not only does little and is incredibly hard but also is easy to circumvent.
Remind me, which company left their users credit accounts in NOTEPAD? "Easy to circumvent" he says.
I'd also like to add that, should I want to play a game like The Witcher or Undertale, I can go without steam entirely. That means no pay2play subscription fees, no region locking, no scummy miiverse/facebook intergration pushed without my consent. So it's a much better deal if you ask me.
>>335647059
>Bayo 2 comes to the PS4?
>>335663362
>Are you forgetting the hundred post saying that Bayo is "Deep" because people said it was?
but that wasn't me, was it? I never defended bayo as being good because it was famous, so using it as an argument is useless
>How about the reworking of the entire combat system? The complete overhaul of how worlds are generated? The entire equipment management system and inner workings of game mechanics? Those aren't noteworthy updates?
They where because they added to what the game was, a fun little way to distract yourself, not because they made the combat or the building deeper in any way or form. It is a shallow game, and that is not bad, just going around saying is deeper than a game meant to be deep is plain wrong. All the updates (even 1.3) are not enough by a long shot to make that game deep.
>I could easily say that Bayonetta is guilty of all of these things. The combo system is superfluous and not even that necessary against 99% of bosses, and you can just button mash to victory. I don't see a single difference.
>which is wrong starting by the fact that it is there, something that is not in terraria. Then adding to that fact that there is score, extra bosses and difficulty increase to the point that getting hit twice kills you doesn't mean the game is not deep, just that you didn't play it long enough because, as you yourself said "I guess I don't care about epic gamer scores or trophies or whatsoever"
>So you didn't see the youtube vid I linked? or the comments below the vid which has updated links to the software?
My point is that even if it is compatible is useless as you cant play any games on it as it is intended, with two screens at the same time. Because the only games that do that are for Wii U
cont.
>>335663978
>but that wasn't me, was it? I never defended bayo as being good because it was famous, so using it as an argument is useless
If those aren't your posts, then that argument will be for another day.
>not because they made the combat or the building deeper in any way or form
I'm pretty sure the entire point of 1.2 and 1.3 was to give depth to exploration and the array of new items and combat options should at least give something to even the most anti-terraria person.
>Then adding to that fact that there is score,
OH BOY AN ARBITRARY NUMBER. Because that's what I want to see in a video game, right? Something akin to achievements and gamer scores.
>My point is that even if it is compatible is useless as you cant play any games on it as it is intended,
That wasn't your point though.
>but so the PC lacks the ability to use other controllers, like the game pad (or wii u tablet),
Even if it isn't exactly 100%, it still surpassed your expectation. So why shouldn't I believe that 2nd screen use won't follow?
>>335663362
>That's what they said about the original Doom, all the way back in the 1990's on DOSbox. Then a genius altered the gameplay with KBM controls, and it was history from there.
Innovation does not come from a vacuum, the mouse is cheap, easy to integrate and was already becoming a standard, it was just a matter of time, meanwhile, huge, expensive and cumbersome controllers will not end in that spot.
>I would argue that how you directly control the game is far more necessary to the gameplay than pretty excessive graphics, or a story which you can just skip.
you see, there are several problems with that mindset. First that is not true, as a game developer might find a specific controller to be the best for his artistic vision and design the game around it, making it impossible to develop correctly for other controllers. Then there is the fact that there are way to many peripherals that almost nobody have, so wasting time and money into adding them is just wrong from a business stand point.
>As a paying customer, I don't have to accept jack squat. Competitors offer me better choices, so it's a non-issue.
that's good, when Nintendo, sony or windows competitors offer their IPs without their consoles I'll be sure to buy them.
>Except that most console companies will brick your console and you lose all online games.
citation please, messing around with a firmware is not an easy thing and is definitely not a company counter measure against people banned.
>>335663482
Than sony yes, and only because of that, but if I'm not wrong it happened to steam to but they tried to keep it quite, don't take my word for it though.
>>335664437
>I'm pretty sure the entire point of 1.2 and 1.3 was to give depth to exploration and the array of new items and combat options
yes, again, that doesn't make it deep, just ads more things to do.
>OH BOY AN ARBITRARY NUMBER. Because that's what I want to see in a video game, right? Something akin to achievements and gamer scores.
That is like, your opinion, man. This argument is akin to "stop liking what I don't like"
>That wasn't your point though.
it became such after I stood corrected
>Even if it isn't exactly 100%, it still surpassed your expectation. So why shouldn't I believe that 2nd screen use won't follow?
is not about the future, everything can be implemented in the future, is about now. Now you cant use your favorite control scheme so you disregard the game, same thing is happening here.
>>335664472
>Innovation does not come from a vacuum, the mouse is cheap, easy to integrate and was already becoming a standard, it was just a matter of time, meanwhile, huge, expensive and cumbersome controllers will not end in that spot.
That's what they also said about controller compatibility in the modern age. Something also disproven. Even if the devs don't have time to mod support in, a freely moddable game will let me do it myself. All that's needed is the freedom to do so.
>First that is not true, as a game developer might find a specific controller to be the best for his artistic vision
If he's letting his "Artistic vision" get in the way of comfortable controller use, and adaptability, then chances are he's making a flop.
>Then there is the fact that there are way to many peripherals that almost nobody have, so wasting time and money into adding them is just wrong from a business stand point.
Again, an openly moddable game wouldn't make this a problem, as the consumer could just add in support themselves. Just as they do with custom UIs.
>that's good, when Nintendo, sony or windows competitors offer their IPs without their consoles I'll be sure to buy them.
They do it all the time via emulation, or competitors releasing similar IPs.
>messing around with a firmware is not an easy thing
Sure, if you don't know a thing about computers.
>but if I'm not wrong it happened to steam
You're referring to the christmas fiasco, which occurred due to high traffic on their servers. The only real incident was that people say others profile pages. Several steps of security were thankfully in place to prevent any damage or stolen info from occurring. It was a mistake and a stupid one at that, but it was far from the negligence I've experienced on consoles.
>>335647059
Took capcom 15 years to release REmake and RE 0 on a non nintendo platform, so by that time Probably PS5 references
>>335664678
>yes, again, that doesn't make it deep, just ads more things to do.
And how does that not make it deep? It's not just adding filler sidequests. It's revamping the entire game and how you progress.
>That is like, your opinion, man. This argument is akin to "stop liking what I don't like"
It's more akin to "I fail to see how gamer scores and epic online leaderboards make a game deep".
>is not about the future, everything can be implemented in the future, is about now. Now you cant use your favorite control scheme so you disregard the game, same thing is happening here.
My problem is that I'm being restricted. As a paying customer,that's a no-no.
>>335664847
Basically, this. IF it will ever happen, it will take a long ass time. And they will probably have to remove all Nintendo references from the game as well.
>>335647059
Years later, Bayonetta still brings the salt. I love it.
>>335664781
Well, I'm tired now and that post is full of mostly opinions ("Artistic vision I dont like? probably a flop", "moding is easy, even more if it's about reverse engineering the firmware", "companies release their games via emulators in other platforms"). So I'm going to bed.
>And how does that not make it deep? It's not just adding filler sidequests. It's revamping the entire game and how you progress.
combat is still shallow and so is building, adding more features to play with is not making it deep, you just have a lot of things to do that require 0 skill.
>It's more akin to "I fail to see how gamer scores and epic online leaderboards make a game deep"
ok then "stop liking what I don't understand" is it better? or do you want the whole chemical explanation about how the brain works?
> My problem is that I'm being restricted. As a paying customer,that's a no-no.
Yes, and so is every PC gaming for not integrating a second screen to use with the Wii U tablet.
You are just full of opinions and that is why the other anons just disregarded you.
>this fucking autist derailment
Good thread.
>>335665250
>combat is still shallow and so is building,
Say that to expert mode which actually changes enemy AI, instead of most games where they just get an HP increase.
>ok then "stop liking what I don't understand" is it better?
Did I ask you to stop liking it? No. And I didn't ask you to like Terraria instead. So I'm not sure what you're saying with your implication.
>Yes, and so is every PC gaming for not integrating a second screen to use with the Wii U tablet.
It's the gamepad's fault mostly. IF I want a second screen, I have several peripherals that allow me that freedom. Not to mention I can just hook up a second screen, I can hook up an ipad, I can hook up my TV, etc.
With this many workarounds and for zero hassle, I'd say the PC isn't restrictive at all. Meanwhile, still no dedicated or private servers for Smash Brothers or Splatoon.
>>335665250
>You are just full of opinions and that is why the other anons just disregarded you.
Is there an anon on this board who isn't full of opinions? Like, can someone prove, objectively, that Bayonetta is better than Terraria, or that Platinum is better than Naughty Dog, or anything? What are we, but cesspools of opinions, right?
You people are worse than pcucks. You talk about them with le never ever, but just look at this
>>335647689
More like people are still false flagging about Bayonetta to get replies.
>>335652272
I just gotta know how many of these people actually played the first game and aren't just parroting.
>>335647356
>with a Ricky Bobby costume
Fucking kek, one of the funnier things to come out of shitting on the PS3.
