>try to create a female character for a game
>realize she's a mary sue
why does this so easily happen?
Because Mary Sue only means "character I don't like".
Basically any time you want a character to get punched in the face 10 times, and along the story she gets punched in the face 9 times, you can call her a Mary Sue.
So any character who should get more shit according to you. So any character you dislike.
sauce? idk how to read cursive
>>335634781
Except that's bullshit.
There's loads of Mary Sue, master of everything, friend of everyone, flawless, yet tortured soul characters all over media.
>>335634508
>halfway making a female character
>realise she's either you with boobs or your waifu
This is why.
Because you struggle with creating characters that have depth.
>>335634508
>try to create male character for a game
>realize he's a gary stu
why does this so easily happen?
Just because a character is a mary sue doesnt automatically make them a bad character. Not that anyone on /v/ would know about that because they like to just blindly hate everything.
>>335634508
Trying too hard to make her empowered so the feminazis aren't butthurt, then realize what you've just made
>>335635635
Name good mary sue characters then. Mary sues are always bad, the problem is people being unable to identify what is and isn't actually one.
>>335634508
Because women are naturally unlikable shitstains so the only way to make them a decent main character is to make everyone inexplicably love them.
Zero from Drakengaard is actually a really good representaion of a non-Mary Sue because she's a visceral cunt the entire game and everyone fucking hates her.
>>335635635
>Just because a character is poorly written doesn't make them a bad character
Okay homo.
>video game protagonist
>mary sue
wow who would have thought
>>335635974
>Name good mary sue characters
Why, so you can be a cool contrarian kid and tell me how I'm wrong? Nah, fuck you. How about you explain to me why mary sues are always bad? And try not to use buzzwords while you're at it.
>>335635635
Isn't the entire point of calling a character a Mary Sue basically a short way of saying they are not compelling or interesting. A Mary Sue is a character that has no conflict and therefor there is no tension which is what typically makes things boring and uninteresting. If a character has to actually fight or overcome something then the character is not really a Mary Sue.
>>335634508
Realistically, it happens because people are more afraid to make females look bad. That is, while male characters can be cool they are also more likely to have flaws and get their asses kicked.
Meanwhile writers are often worried about making a female who has flaws since they are afraid that will upset SJWs. It's even more apparent in that people don't like seeing women get beat up, especially if it's by a guy, which leads to them coming across as invincible.
>>335635974
ur waifu :^)
>>335635613
It doesn't happen easily at all for me. I love creating flaws in male characters but I struggle with females. Unless it's a villain.
Like I can instantly imagine 100 ways to make a fat male interesting but noone likes a fat chick
Probably because I barely have any female friends and only brothers
>>335635132
It's a photoshopped picture of Alice Goodwin I think
>>335636265
There ways of using that type of character effectively. For comedic effect for example. Or maybe as a foil for the main character.Not every mary sue has to be a main character or anything like that.
>>335636421
you can't do it because you are sexist
>>335636421
You sound too autistic to be writing fiction. No offense. Unless you're like 14 years old I'd throw in the towel or stick to creepy pasta length stories.
>>335634508
Because you're a man
Only women know how to write good women characters
>>335636421
just apply your male flaws to female flaw, nigga.
impatient, selfish, meathead, vain, stupid... even innocence and too kind for her own good can be a flaw.
You decided the gender first.
Create a character and assign gender-neutral characteristics to them. THEN decide if its a girl.
>>335636245
Well, Mary sue characters leave little room for development in a story. Their presence centralises it into a character who is often uninteresting and at the same time unchangable who also, depending on the mood of the story, might carry a lot of unrealistic traits one would expect from their origin.
>>335636681
I don't think you can claim to know me from two badly written posts
>>335636573
That's not a Mary Sue, especially if it's a supporting/side character who you don't even know enough about to be able to call them that. Do you have any examples for the comedic application tho? Can't really think of anything so I have no idea how you could make that funny.
>>335636702
>Only women know how to write good women characters
:^)
>>335634508
Because why would you put a shitty woman into a video game? Men already struggle enough with shit tier women.. the last thing we need is realism in our video games too.
Like that bitch in The Division who becomes your commander. She's a total cunt and ruins the entire game.
>>335634508
Because Mary Sue is virtually meaningless at this point.
>>335636946
>That's not a Mary Sue
Moving the goalposts now, senpai?
Theres 2 flaws that are pretty common among female characters tho.
1. Being a bossy bitch
2. Being an annoying cunt
>>335636813
Give me examples of characters who do what youre describing here.
>>335636967
>playing destiny:ubisoft edition
>caring about the story
for what fucking purpose
>>335636923
If you want to be a fiction writer and can't put two sentences together that can describe your problem well and you cant write female characters at all then you should not be a writer.
>>335637354
Mary Sue.
Here is a great test to see if a character is a Mary Sue
>is she Rey from the force awakens?
If not then no she is not a mary sue
>>335637485
Great. Thanks for proving youre just another worthless meme spouter.
>>335634508
What video game is this thread about?
>>335637221
What goalposts? And to where?
>>335636967
You mean Faye Lau? Is she even a character? In fact is anyone in The Division a character? All I know about here is that she's a New Yorker, a Division agent and has a younger sister who plays guitar. You know honestly I don't really want to talk about the game because I'm just gonna get pissed off. Fuck Ubisoft and fuck me for buying it. What a waste of money.
>>335637649
About character creation you dumb fuck
>>335636245
>How about you explain to me why mary sues are always bad?
Because in order to be called a Mary Sue, the character has to have irredeemably bad traits from a writing standpoint.
Originally, Mary Sues were, generally, an unabashed self insert. It's kinda changed now to mean a character that seems too idealized/unrealistic, but the idea remains the same. The author forgot that it's okay for a character to have faults and to not literally bend the Universe the character is in to make sure they always win.
There is no case where a Mary Sue character works better in place of an actual character.
Because female characters, like all characters, are most interesting when they actually have some flaws. Being completely perfect is boring.
>>335635974
Chuck Norris.
You probably don't know or don't spend time with women in real life so you can't write one with any depth.
Inb4 women are whores and have no depth, you can definitely tell when a writer knows how to write a feminine perspective or just relies on writing a dude with tits.
mary sue loses its meaning when you use it outside of fanfiction
>>335637698
wait, cant you refund ubishit game on steam?
>>335637967
enough depth for you here, fämälam
>>335637359
Luckily that doesn't apply to me
>>335634508
In America? Because every wymyn in fiction is a stronk, indypendynt wymyn who can literally do everything and knows anything with the help of nobody.
This is done so little girls will one day grow up with massively inflated egos and self-importance complexes. They will be utterly incapable of functioning self-sufficiently in the real world away from mommy & "mommy2" as they discover that the world won't simply hand everything over to them because they have, or feel they should have, a cunt.
"Wymyn" is actually a patriarchal concept to bring the next generation of women to heel. The Mary Sue writing of fictional wymyn is simply all part of the Grand Plan.
>There are no good mary sue characters
>>335634508
Is she sitting on a sybian? Her legs seem pretty widely spread out, and she seems to be holding onto something by her crotch.
Damn womanspreadders.
>>335637994
Isn't there like a 1 hour limit for a refund or something? In any case...I bought it on a console to play with friends. Needless to say none of us play it anymore even the guy that championed for everyone to get it. The only person I know who likes it barley played it since it keeps crashing and he's having some general PC issues.
Most vidya protagonists are Sues, you just don't notice it with men because you more easily project onto them.
>>335634508
>create a female character for a game
>realize that you have fallen in love with her
Every time
>>335634508
because male characters are allowed to be flawless
female characters get shit on for it more frequently
>>335635419
>realise she's either you with boobs or your waifu
>or both
>>335638212
lucky you're not self-important and egotistical at all
>>335638367
I wish I could say that with XCX, but they took away my ability to create my favorite boob size, and my firmware is too high to hack...
Why do people only whine about female mary sues? Probably around 90% of male characters in vidya could be considered mary sues. I never understood why female characters get all the shit for that "ultra special chosen one that everyone likes with no flaws or very superficial ones" is incredibly common. Dante and virtually every male JRPG protag ever fall under this
>>335638461
Luckily.
>>335634508
This is traced from porn.
>>335638559
>virtually every male JRPG protag ever fall under this
Name them.
>>335635419
/thread
>>335638559
I see you haven't played world of warcraft
>>335638235
>Overconfident
>Dumb as shit
>His son ends up stronger than him (for a while)
>Horrible father
>Constantly late
Sure is Mary Sue, senpai.
>>335638630
Sauce?
>>335634508
Mary Sue has become a meaningless phrase due to how sloppily it is used. In this context I am guessing Mary Sue is something superficial as "attractive" or "competent." This is completely dumb as shit.
A real Mary Sue is a narrative black hole where the entire setting distorts itself for her in irrational ways.
A literal Mary Sue is an author self insert for blatant wish fulfillment.
>>335634508
Take a hard look at the average male protagonist in a videogame. There's a good chance that they're a mary sue.
>>335638235
Goku has a pretty big flaw though, he's naive and always expects the best of people. It almost got him killed with Freeza and almost doomed the whole world with Cell
>>335638747
yet he doesnt change his trait, only his power level.
>>335638747
those are either endearing traits or fan projection
>>335638747
>always wins
>is the strongest forever
>everyone likes him
>even the guys who hate him respect him
Mary Sue as fuck, senpai.
The fuck is a Mary Sue?
>>335634508
>create male character
>make him a girl
>make Grey DeLisle voice her
That's fucking it. Instant waifu of the decade.
>>335638931
>Goku has a pretty big flaw though, he's naive and always expects the best of people
That's the kind of 'flaw' a mary sue would have
>>335634508
Because you're a bad writer. That's all. You simply lack practice.
>>335637354
>>Name good mary sue characters
>Why, so you can be a cool contrarian kid and tell me how I'm wrong?
Remember this? Pretty dickass move to demand the same thing you asked not to do from me.
Anyhow, ther's that chick from twilight, you could argue many fairytale pincesses fit the bill, >>335637562 is also correct and I say this as someone who barely cares about SW. If you want vidya, they often do this to some self-inserts, see FE or Persona 4, many SE characters, KH being a big offender, Thrall after WoW, Kerringan.Some of them may be subjective.
I'm not >>335637485
by the way.
>>335636946
What about swagamoto from sakamoto desuga? Dude's basically perfect as fuck for the sake of comedy
>>335639042
It's a character with similar qualities to Mary Sue, the main character of the infamous Star Trek fanfic where a young ensign is loved by all the crew and outperforms all the main characters in all areas.
>>335638747
Also forgot
>Dies a few times
>>335639034
Oh like you wouldn't show a healthy level of respect towards a dude who could blow the planet up at any given moment but hold back only because that's where he keeps most of his stuff.
>>335638235
>Dragon Ball
>Good characters
Goku is the same character he was in Dragon Ball, he is likeable but he is not really well written
>>335639126
I think for that to be a Mary Sue traits people would in fact always have to be best when dealing with Goku without him even putting any effort into it. If his assumption is ever wrong and he ends up paying the price for making it directly or indirectly I don't think that's a Mary Sue trait anymore.
>>335639328
Sadly I have no idea who that is. And I don't think I can understand a character after a quick google search.
>>335635974
Lara Croft.
>>335639248
uh Rey isn't a mary sue
>but my EU said [insert force technique here] would be impossible to do with no training
>>335638969
His stupidity has pissed fans off on more than one occasion, I am sure.
>>335639034
>always wins
After dying a few times, yeah. Or training for a year. Not to mention a few dozen wishes.
>is the strongest forever
Didn't he get his ass kicked royally in the battle of the Gods movie?
>everyone likes him
Everyone like Frieza? Or do you mean his friends? Piccolo isn't exactly thrilled with the guy, he's just a shotacon for his kid. Most of the people on his friends list just appreciate how strong a fighter he is.
>even the guys who hate him respect him
Who? Frieza doesn't respect shit. Dr Gero certainly didn't respect him.
>>335634781
Nice b8
>>335634508
Because you are currently too concerned about making a strong female character. Try to let that concern go.
>>335635635
The whole definition of a mary sue is that they're too perfect. That's automatically a bad thing.
>>335639556
Basically he could pull of any shit he want, all people love him, anyone who hate him turns to love him
I.e. the whole class is panicking because there's a bee, the girls ran out of class, the boys get naked because moving black colour agitate the bee, then sakamoto fight the bee with a needle and put away the bee out without killing the bee
Should've mention it's animu is currently airing
>>335634508
>these-17-incredible-wonder-woman-cosplayers-will-explode-your-brain
This is literally a WW costume shopped on to porn.
Because flaws in male characters are something to be overcome, they're there as potential and a possibility of hidden depths. Meanwhile, female characters become disgusting when given flaws because we all know women aren't into evolving unless a man is making them do it.
Your female character is a liar, stupid or immoral? Well, she's going to stay that way to the end unless you pull a very artificial and unrealistic looking development.
>>335640228
Or if she gets laid
>>335640228
hello /r9k/
>>335640228
/thread
>>335639631
Didn't she pilot the falcon through insanely dangerous circumstances despite having never piloted a ship before?
Didn't she beat Kylo Ren at mind-raping despite never having done it before that very minute?
And at a lightsaber duel despite never having even handled a similar weapon before?
And I honestly forget but I don't even think she has a single moment of conflict in the movie. Maybe she was scared of visions for a while?
>>335640451
Kylo Ren knocked her unconscious like twice
>>335634508
Is this character Mary Sue or Gary Stu?
>>335640451
The Force is a helluva drug, at least that's the only reason why she pulled off the lightsaber duel. She trusted it and it trusted her back right in that tight little ewok
>>335634508
Because they're written by men
>>335640451
>And at a lightsaber duel despite never having even handled a similar weapon before?
She does seem to be good with some sort of staff weapon so I guess that's something.
>>335640648
I'm pretty sure it's just once. And I guess before he does so he kind of beats her in a fight, sort of. Which makes her turning the tables on him all the more surprising, especially since nothing has really changed. I guess she embraced the Force. And since it's space magic you ain't gotta explain shit.
Whatever I think all Star Wars is just gonna feel like fan-fiction now.
>>335636569
It's Jordan Carver. Jesus, get your cow tits names correct.
>>335640648
But he didn't kill her either time, make her his jedi mind-trick meat-puppet, or just bone her as she lay unconscious.
Face it: She's the epitome of Mary Sue.
>>335639907
Well yeah, that's more or less a parody of a Mary Sue character. It's ironic.
>>335640975
that's wrong and he's right though
>>335639585
Only the old Lara, not the imposter currently masquerading herself as Lara.
>>335634508
A Mary Sue is only such if she does not interact with her world in a realistic way but instead the world responds to her in accordance with the authors arbitrary desires. So I doubt that you are creating a Mary Sue.
>>335639034
>always wins
You fucked up bro
>>335640026
im fine with that
>>335635974
Gerard of riviera.
>>335641374
well, gary stu, but you get the point.
>>335634508
Cus female protagonists aren't allowed to have flaws in popular media without outraging everyone
>>335640451
The fact Leia runs up and hugs Rey over Chuui should tell you what Rey is.
A filthy Mery Sue.
Is Bigy Wolf or Bloody Mary from TWUU Mary sues
>>335634508
Because depicting a woman failing shows weakness which is a trope that's been used for ages.
This is why when people write shit, they shouldn't worry appealing to current social justice trends, it ruins writing.
>le mary sue
Name 5 male protags that arent garys stues
Protip: you cant, if they werent gary stues and mary sues, games would be boring
>>335641374
Geralt fails quite a lot though. Especially in TW2.
Trying to fuck both Yen and Triss ruins 3 as well.
In fact, I think the first game is the only one where he succeeds pretty much all the time except the start
>>335642139
Kirby
Mario
Link
Kenshiro
Master Chief
>>335640648
That makes it even more ridiculous. Kylo Ren goes from literally stopping her body from even being able to move, to losing a lightsaber duel to her.
Jesus Christ, Luke never even fought Darth Vader in the first Star Wars movie. And in the second, he got his ass beat. It took 3 movies before he was even strong enough to best Darth Vader, and he had to fuel it with anger.
But here we have a properly trained sith that has such insane force powers he's stopping plasma bolts in midair, and he's bested by 'just discovering her powers' Ren.
Holy fucking shit.
>>335641929
Wait, what exactly is a trope? Women failing at something? What the fuck am I reading
EASY WAY TO NOT MAKE MARY SUE CHARACTERS:
>give them undesirable traits
>make them fail at things before they succeed
>give other characters the spotlight every once in a while
>don't make other characters blindly love said character
>>335642494
>comparing kylo to darth vader when literally the entire point of the character is that he's only a shadow of him
>properly trained sith
brah come on
>>335642139
Max Payne from Max Payne
Protag from Bully
Yuri from Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Laharl from Disgaea
Claude from Star Ocean 2 is an outright piece of shit.
>>335642750
Kylo is fucking strong though. He can stop a laser blast in mid air and take a crossbow to the face
>>335642738
>make them fail at things before they succeed
no that's a mary sue quality too
see
>>335642494
>>335641921
Bigby, probably not since most of fable town distrust and hate him and a silver bullet can fuck him up quite easily.
I don't think Bloody Mary is either.
>>335642139
John Marston/Bigby Wolf/Max Payne/Cole Phelps/The guy from Mafia 1
>>335642797
>Protag from Bully
Pls Jimmy wasn't a mary sue he was more of an anti hero then anything.
>>335642750
Properly trained compared to Ren, rather. Who has absolutely none.
>mary sue
I can't remember the last time I saw this used correctly on 4chan. Every damn time it turns out someone is just saying "character I don't like".
>>335643002
Except you know the clear implications of JJ copying KOTOR with Rey and Luke.
Wonder Woman xRobin
>>335642920
The guy is asking for examples of character that aren't Gary Stus.
>>335643036
Then READ the thread
>>335642845
>>335641921
>Never even given so much as a pity fuck from Snow White for all that bullshit.
Man's a hero, not a sue
>>335643036
It's being used for 'character that wins' rather than it's proper usage.
>>335642139
Luigi
Junpei
Solid Snake
Kite
Geralt
>>335643247
Actually, they get married in the comics.
>>335643110
So, the vision sequence of her being left on the desert planet when she was a little girl is a false memory or something? Because she's pretty fucking young to have gotten any lightsaber lessons.
>>335643002
The only thing she does that's impressive is beating Ren in a sword fight, but it's never established that you need force training to wield a lightsaber and she clearly has experience with melee weapons so whatever.
>>335643036
Ciri is a god damned Mary Sue
>create a character
>make them gary stu as fuck
>a walking homage to one of your favorite bands
>have alternate versions of your wife always fighting for your attention
>people are absolutely fine with this
Daisuke you absolute madman
>>335643429
Still not even a slap on the ass Inna game
>Mary Sue discussion
This is basically a stealth Star Wars thread so I'll bite.
Mary Sue's are not bad. Without them most stories wouldn't even happen. It's like people complaining about coincidences in movies.
>>335643492
>The only thing she does that's impressive is beating Ren in a sword fight
And beating him at his mindrape game.
And piloting the falcon through a derelict star destroyer to escape a pair of TIE fighters.
And being better at repairing the falcon than the person who relied on it for his living for several years.
>>335643523
That isn't necessarily a bad thing.
>>335643627
Yeah, that's true.
Hope he gets something if/when season 2 is released.
>>335643831
Most movies shouldn't even happen.
>>335634508
>women is competent
>holy shit she's such mary sue
>guy is competent
>so based i want him to fuck me in the ass without lube
/v/ in a nut shell
>>335643989
This. Why are they forcing so much Walking Dead bs when we need more Fables
>>335643895
It's the first time learning she was force sensitive, he was clearly caught off guard. She was also familiar with the environment and the vehicle. And she's more familiar with the most recent modifications than Han Solo, hardly surprising since Han hadn't seen the thing in like a decade while Rey apparently worked on the thing.
>>335643831
>Without them most stories wouldn't even happen.
Most stories don't have mary sue's anon.
We postin WW in here? I got some stuff to dump
>>335644086
Capable women terrify /v/.
>>335640528
How do I report this poster?
>>335644583
Please do, I want to fap
>>335644447
working on it is not the same as piloting. that's like saying that the dish washer at a restaurant is just as qualified as the cook
>>335644676
Press Alt + F4
>>335635974
Sol Badguy is literally a mary sue self insert and people like him
>>335642139
Artyom from Metro 2033
JC Denton
The Culter from EYE
Abe from Oddworld games
Brad from LISA
>>335644754
Dude. I know that's window close, faggot.
>>335644741
>food analogy
I'd trust a dishwasher who has observed a professional chef and knows where all the equipment and ingredients in the restaurant are more than a McDonald's burgerflipper put in the same environment and told to cook the house special.
female protag story time
>>335640528
I was waiting for someone to post it.
>>335644929
When you enter 4Chan it injects a special script into your browser settings.
It disables the Alt + F4 close and replaces it with the report button. No lie, there was a shit storm about it on /g/ a few weeks ago.
>>335640752
There is a much worse offender in that game
>>335634508
The term mary sue applies to someone who is inserted into a story that isnt theres and has the world suddenly revolve around them. If it makes sense for your character to be powerful then do it
>>335644946
why are superheroines so fucking bad at putting on their clothes
like not even regular women have this problem
>>335644447
>he was clearly caught off guard
I'd be caught off guard too if someone I effortlessly force-powered unconscious two hours earlier was able to not only block my mental advances but to then invade my own mind, too.
>She was also familiar with the environment and the vehicle
The only familiarity that would matter is familiarity with actually piloting the thing, but nope she had a bumpy start and then was rolling like the best pilot in the galaxy in under a minute.
Fair enough on the repair, though. She at least explains she has experience with that, but it seems like it should be a solution Han Solo should have thought of himself instead of yet another moment of Ren having to prove how awesome she is.
>>335634508
Because they don't try to make female characters actually interesting or badass like males, or at least they're bad at it if they do. The female warriors have generic tomboy personalities and they act ultra serious, or they are either incredibly ditzy/sexy. There's no female character who says badass and memorable lines and has the combination of a cool outfit. The closest to that I can think of is Bayonetta, but she's hardly as popular.
>Stop lewding me!
>>335645094
Why would you trust either of them? Are you a retard?
>>335645323
>I'm literally touching myself to wonder woman right now
>>335645323
>Stop lewding me!
>Posts the sexiest version of wonder woman
>>335645313
>Generic tomboys
Fight me you shit taste faggot
>Ultra serious
This is true and a problem.
>>335645313
Bitch from Perfect Dark and The Major are cool
>>335645323
>tumblr
>>335645608
>>335645523
>>335645446
>>335645373
>>335645291
>>335645207
> Batwoman
Has a comic ever had a such drastic drop in quality before or since?
>>335645403
I mean if it were a life or death decision, I'd put my money on the dishwasher. Rey is the dishwasher, the TIE pilots are the burgerflippers. Plus it's not like Luke didn't blow up the galaxy's greatest weapon in a vehicle he never piloted before, so evidently force sensitivity imparts some intuition in these matters.
>>335640451
Reminder that Luke Skywalker got his ass kicked by 2 random sand people despite being literally the second coming.
Look senpai, it is easy to create a non-sue female character. A beautiful female character can still have character flaws, study more complex characters in literature and other media, then take different qualities and craft one proper.
It's like writing with physics, each positive trait has negative traits and repercussions associated with it depending on how that trait is expressed. equal and opposite reaction and all that.
>>335642494
Don't bother, people will refuse to admit the truth that Force Awakens is some terrible feminist pandering attempt to capture the hunger games audience to their dying breath.
>>335645791
The art was half the reason I read it.
>>335640451
anakin was the best podracer ever when he was a fucking child star wars protags have always been bs
>>335645960
That was Luuke, bro. Even then, Luke was a farmboy with a comfortable life. Rey had a hard life and learned how to defend herself.
>>335645518
>little girl wonder woman
>the sexiest
you jest
>>335642139
Every character in The Last of Us.
Every character in Metal Gear.
Every character in Silent Hill.
Every character in Uncharted.
Every character in Max Payne.
>>335634508
because creators are afraid to give female characters flaws because people will call them sexist, forgetting that flaws are what make characters interesting
>>335646094
sup /tv/
wonder woman in jla war was hot
>>335645518
> sexiest version of wonder woman
Umm... No.
>>335645992
Glory from Shadowrun Dragonfall is the best female character ever
>>335636946
The muscular guy from Full Metal Alchemist got a lot of jokes about his physique, and add far as I watched he was powerful to boot
>>335646334
>[Blank] Snake
>not Sue as a motherfucker
Jesus Christ dude
>>335645861
>Rey is the dishwasher, the TIE pilots are the burgerflippers
TIE pilots aren't burgerflippers. They're chefs. maybe not master chefs, but actual chefs, because they've trained for years to do this shit.
>Plus it's not like Luke didn't blow up the galaxy's greatest weapon in a vehicle he never piloted before
Only difference being that he's actually had pilots training that they bring up in the movie.
>>335635937
Wish this was first post so I could call FPBP.
This is the correct answer. It's safer to design a Sue than a female character who gets called flat or lifeless. It's tryhard cancer born from pandering to SJWs and femshits.
>>335646208
The point stands though, they are Stus/Sues
Which isn't really a bad thing since I don't care for conflict or deep psychology when it comes to action series.
>>335646430
He got the shit beaten out of him by his sister.
>>335646534
>TIE pilots aren't burgerflippers.
come on anon, they're literally disposable
>>335646430
His sister beats the shit out of him.
>>335646534
A New Hope needs to be stricken from the records too. It has a literal farmboy who just got his shit pushed in by literal sand niggers taking out FULLY TRAINED TIE PILOTS in a gunner's seat.
Fucking Gary Stu bullshit.
>>335646208
And Anakin was a fucking shitstain of a character in a horrible movie, what's your point?
Wonder Woman isn't interesting.
Wonder Woman was never interesting.
>>335646597
>It's safer to design a Sue
How many vidya mary sues are there? Let alone protags.
>>335646667
That was planned. Armstrong didn't even use alchemy in that fight.
>>335634508
depends what your definition of mary sue is
if you're a real edgelord faggot, anyone who doesn't have severe emotional problems is a mary sue.
>>335646769
That you should ignore everything except for the original trilogy.
>>335646870
YES GET IN THE SHOWER.
>>335646724
The farmboy was a trained and talented pilot. It was outright stated multiple times throughout the damned movie.
>>335637580
lol this bitch is so mad
>>335646724
All he was doing was shooting. He has experience with firing lasers at shit.
They used to fire at womp rats, after all.
>>335647008
Driving the Chevy pickup out into rural farm country to take pot shots at nutria totally makes you qualified as an ace tank pilot. Yep.
>It's okay because the movie talks about Luke being good
>It's not okay because the movie shows Rey being good
Literally retarded.
>>335647047
>xoxo
did they really do this shit in the 40s
>>335646419
In gaming it's pretty hard to find female characters that aren't mary sues. The writing teams just aren't on the same level as other forms of media for the most part, but it will get there eventually I'm sure. If you look at other media though there are plenty of good examples of a well developed female character.
Sorcerer's Stone Herminone is a good example of non-Mary Sue
>>335647203
Yes.
>>335647196
He's actually trained in piloting a star ship. He even meets up with one of his childhood buddies who joined the rebellion - they were both training to be pilots when they were younger.
And yes that's a lot better than someone piloting a star ship for the first time with no training and then being the fantastic at it.
>>335646094
I totally agree, that is why I refused to watch it in theaters. Just torrented that shitshow, I was so disappointed, as expected. sjws ruin everything.
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>>335639585
Lara wasn't really a Mary Sue, since the entire plot of most of the games was that she was a thieving asshole.
>>335636421
I bet you don't pick grill characters in video games.
>>335647196
No, it was quite clearly stated that he passed the test to get into the space airforce and an ace pilot in the rebellion, his bro, vouched for his skill as a pilot.
And they clearly state the ship that he piloted and shot womp rats with, works just like the rebels ships.
>>335643319
it's = it is
its = possessive form
>>335634508
Because women are literally perfect and if you say otherwise you are a cis shitlord :^)
>he didn't fantasize about Wonder Woman taking advantage of him as a kid
fag
>>335646010
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>>335647223
> Mfw I just realized Kate and Maggie are still together in a fucking Elseworlds comic
God dammit.
>>335647490
You can stop now.
batwoman has all but killed the thread.
>>335644583
sauce?
