>this is considered a RPG
>character with predetermined voice, appearance, backstory, morals with no actual role playing
Why is this allowed? When did the RPG become a loose term for swords and dragons
you play the role of the main character on his quest to so whatever the fuck he does
>>335538938
RPG are supposed to be playing your own role with your own character, you can't play the role of a predetermined character
>>335538827
>>335539147
Just because there are no character creation does not mean it is not a role playing game
You are playing the role of the witcher geralt. Your decisions and consequences are what matter. There are many choices to be made in that game.
Think of skyrim, you have character creation but only have 2 decisions in the whole game, who you go into the keep with at the beginning and stormcloak or imperial
>>335539147
>RPG are supposed to be playing your own role with your own character
Literally self-inserting
>>335539147
No. DnD even has pre made characters. RPG doesn't strictly mean self insert.
>>335539952
Yes
Fuck right off
>I can't be a retarded self insert that's actually nothing like me because he is a perfect specimen of suave and athletic prowess
Fucking pathetic
Call of Duty is my favorite RPG because you play the role of America
>>335539147
>supposed to be
>>335540089
>wiki
>>335538827
Ages ago.
deus ex and planescape torment have basically the same thing and yet people consider them two of the best RPGs ever made
>>335538827
Witcher feels more like a really good action adventure to me to be honest and I love the game to death fixing to start another run.
>>335538827
>>character with predetermined voice, appearance, backstory, morals with no actual role playing
Wow, you just described most RPG's OP. congrats.
>>335538827
>character with predetermined voice, appearance, backstory
This is the exact and only reason I can never play the Witcher games.
Not siding with anyone here, but what game isn't an RPG then? every game you play you take the role of something
>>335539147
>I don't understand the essence of role playing
HAHAHAHA fucking retard. The sad part is you're probably part of the majority.
>>335538827
>role playing as geralt isn't an rpg
nigger wut?
so you are saying every fucking rpg has to be a create a nigger game? fuck off you fucking butthurt faggot. it's 2016 and you're still getting shat on by how great witcher tree is. eat my hairy ass boy
>>335543034
That is true becaue rpg is a very blanket term. However in a videogame sense when peole think rpg they think of certain features that have become commo ly associated with the genre
>>335542424
>wiki is bad
The website is edited more thoroughly than your textbooks m8
>>335539147
You're fucking retarded.
All final fantasy aren't RPGs now.
>>335538827
the first two fallouts weren't rpgs then
also
>morals
you didn't even play the game you shithead
>>335540089
>in which players assume the roles of characters
It says nothing about pre-made characters you bumbling retard.
>>335543651
All JRPGs aren't RPGs
>>335543253
Help me understand the essence
>PS:T is not an RPG
kek
a game in which players take on the roles of imaginary characters who engage in adventures, typically in a particular computerized fantasy setting overseen by a referee.
>>335539952
Yes, and?
>>335542572
At least those games gave you a lot of control over your character's development. You can't turn Geralt into a sorcerer, for instance.
>>335538827
You dont even know what a fucking RPG is even if i put it right in your fucking face nigger.
Jesus fucking christ i am sure that even half of /v/ dont know about what a RPG game is.
>>335542856
Most JRPGs, perhaps. WRPGs are usually different.
>>335538827
This guy is such a Mary Sue it's disgusting
>>335543749
and it says nothing about self inserts so I guess they just mean general characters
you fucking colossal dumbass
>>335545425
>I have no idea what a Mary Sue is so I'll just use it like a moron
Thanks for showing us all you're a dipshit.
>>335538827
you dont have to self insert in every RPG you play, you faggot.
>>335538827
"RPG" in video game terms just means a gameplay emphasis on character statistics, separate from player skill.
Game genres are not the literal meaning of their name. Almost any game could be considered "action" or "adventure," but those terms are used to denote specific gameplay elements.
>>335538827
To be fair, it's more of an ARPG but the action is complete ass.
If you want a comfy open world with some nice quest lines, it's pretty good.
>>335545758
>complete ass
its passable. not great
>>335545954
>its passable
Barely.
Ciri controls a lot better, but is completely limited.
There has never been a real video RPG.
>>335546197
ciri is also a magic mary sue.
>>335545490
Doom is my favorite RPG because Doomguy is such a badass.
>>335546316
Morrowind
New Vegas
>>335539874
By your definition Mario is an RPG where I take the role of turtle stomping plumber
>>335546316
D&d you dumb fuck
>>335546597
Okay, maybe NWN because it's basically just a DM engine.
>>335545710
>"RPG" in video game terms just means a gameplay emphasis on character statistics, separate from player skill.
You are as stupid as hime then you double nigger.
With your logic, The Division is a fucking RPG.
>>335546316
Morrowind
Ultima VII
Gothic 2
New Vegas
Witcher series
If you mean autistic D&D, Baulder Gate
>>335547421
Dont people actually consider in an RPG? I wouldnt know. Even from the very first trailer I couldnt give a shit about it
How's the enemy variety in Witcher 3?
>>335548087
Pretty good, most enemies require somewhat different tactics. Fighting a werewolf is completely different than fighting a group of drowners, for instance
>>335543959
Not him, but the essence is taking up the role of a character and existing in an imagined world as that character. None of that implies that the character is something you make up entirely on your own, or that it's not role-playing if the character is pre-made (so long as you still ultimately take up the role and "become" them).
>>335546571
What decisions in Mario have a influence on story or characters?
>It's a game where you roleplay as a character
Why is this allowed? When did RPG become a loose term for roleplaying game?
>>335545305
And you can't turn JC Denton into a sorcerer either.
>>335542424
When the fuck is this meme going to die
Where the fuck do you get your information, the encyclopedia?
>>335539147
>you can't play the role of a predetermined character
Oh man, D&D players are going to be devastated to learn they've been doing it wrong since the game was invented.
>>335549116
You know what I meant.
>>335538827
Yeah I can't get into these games because Geralt is fucking boring.
>>335549802
>wanting to pretend to be a sorcerer in a videogame when you can just be one in real life
Retards, everyone.
>>335540413
No, it's a fighting game because you fight the axis powers of WWII
>>335549802
If you meant that you can't be a thing where it makes no sense to be that thing, then yeah I know what you meant.
>>335545151
>>335539993
Role playing as yourself with hero powers is not really that amazing.
>>335539952
>>335539993
>>335545151
>to be a rpg you have to self-insert
That's not fucking roleplaying you faggots
If you're just playing yourself how the fuck are you playing a role?
Go to any fucking tabletop RPG group and try to make a self-insert to see if you don't get your shit slapped right out.
>>335546571
>>335543871
>JRPGs aren't RPGs
>Japanese role-playing games aren't role-playing games
Okay then retard
>>335546483
>>335547561
>predetermined stories
>no dungeon master/storyteller/game master
>single player
these are not real RPGs either. They are electronic "choose your own adventure" at best.
There are no true RPGs in video games because they cannot be done by a computer. Not yet at least.
So you faggots should just stop trying to argue what is and what isn't a real RPG. None of them are.
>>335551286
Tabletop simulator.
Suck my dick.
>>335551286
Some of them are. They're like RPG with a bad DM that has thought out 3 to 5 ways of how things can end up and punished a player for trying something out of the box.
>single player
You can do solo campaigns.
>>335550629
If your argument is "It wouldn't make sense for Geralt to be a sorcerer because his established character is a swordsman alchemist", well, that's the whole issue here - that The Witcher is considered an RPG even though it lacks a lot of things RPGs usually have, like choosing your character class.
>>335551286
maybe the children should goto bed
>>335551584
JC Denton is a augmented soldier. You can't be diplomat, you can't be a trader and you can't be anything else. Therefore it's not a RPG.
Having a predetermined character is not a deal breaker for RPGs. Let's take a game with character creation and you download a completed character build with written backstory from the internet. Does that game stop being an RPG because of that?
>>335551649
too bad they'll keep autistically arguing about what is and isn't an RPG, despite knowing that the discussion is pointless since they're all wrong.
>>335551913
>stop discussing video game stuff
Arguing over the definition of what is a true RPG ends up pretty stupid because it's such a broad genre with elements that got picked up and adopted by non-RPGs. Most people would probably say something like having a choice in the hand of how your character develops through story and statistics, but plenty of games we don't consider RPGs have these things. Either way, the only real RPGs are tabletops, and video games won't get to the full level that a real RPG can reach. The Witcher is a RPG series , just one that got its gameplay elements diluted as the series progressed and turned far more action focused. Having a hand in how Geralt develops is what makes it a RPG, even if he does have a template. Same can go for any classic RPG that people drool over but criticize Witcher for not being RPG enough.
>plenty of games we don't consider RPGs have these things
like?
>>335551584
You choose your character class within the purview of Geralt's innate abilities. That's not all that unusual. If I'm playing an RPG as a Fighter most systems don't allow me to do something outside of their class. Granted I tend to favor systems that allow for a lot of flexibility, but if you've played D&D you've had the same thing happen to you, just after character creation.
>>335546415
>reading comprehension
>>335551843
>bioware fuckhead teaching someone about rpgs
lawdy
>>335539147
>millenials
>>335538827
>When did the RPG become a loose term for swords and dragons
Like 20 years ago
>people think you can role play as Geralt because you can pick his girlfriend and change outcome of sidequests which have no effect on Geralt's character development, alignment,etc that doesn't already happen as part of the main plot
>>335551262
Not him but many JRPGs to me don't feel like RPGs at all. They feel like "Statistical increment games" in which your numbers go up but you don't really have control over the core of your character nor do you have control over the story.
In the Witcher you can define what type of Witcher to role play as with your skills and personality, all while having control over the story.
That makes it more of an RPG to me than say Final Fantasy.
>>335548885
Well I could get the fire flower
orNot
>>335551062
I'm sorry, are you trying to prove my point for me?thank you
>>335553613
>on Geralt's character development, alignment,etc that doesn't already happen as part of the main plot
Newsflash: You don't get to do that in any "mainstream" RPG anymore. You are forced to play a good guy in DAI. You are forced to be a good guy in FO4.
That's not getting into "RPGs" like what Tell-Tale offers. Face it, this is what passes for role-playing these days. It's not specific to Witcher you retarded redditor.
>>335548885
too jomp or not too jompsomeone post the comic
>>335553617
>In the Witcher you can define what type of Witcher to role play as with your skills and personality, all while having control over the story.
First off, most jrpgs give you more control over your skills, build,etc than Witcher does. Second many let you shape your character's personality with dialogue choices, even if they don't alter the plot.
Third, I never felt like my choices meant shit in Witcher other than branching off in 2 to do the second chapter from the other cities/camps point of view. And again, that sort of choice exists in jrpgs aswell e.g Radiata Stories.
I don't care how butthurt this makes /v/, but Witcher is about as deep an rpg as Mass Effect.
>>335554145
yeah witcher 3 doesn't have much depth at all, still better than any JRPG to exist though
>>335554063
>Face it, this is what passes for role-playing these days.
So it's jrpg. Thanks.
>>335538827
A year after release, and these "i don't like these games, therefore everything is wrong with it" threads still persist. Shows how big of an impact it truly had.
>>335554217
Well that's like your opinion man
>>335554145
Not trying to spark an argument or anything but care to name some more examples of complex jrpgs that fit my definition?
I'm genuinely curious as my experience with the genre makes me believe they all lack depth and consist of turn-base bore-fests that lack any defining trait of an "RPG".
>>335554145
>First off, most jrpgs give you more control over your skills, build,etc than Witcher does
How?
>Second many let you shape your character's personality with dialogue choices, even if they don't alter the plot.
No they don't. And even if they did then that means they're useless.
>Third, I never felt like my choices meant shit in Witcher other than branching off in 2 to do the second chapter from the other cities/camps point of view
Well you're retarded than since a quick Google search will show you the differences.
Face it weeb JRPG's aren't RPGs. They're action-adventure games.
>>335554063
Well, then CD Projekt needs to stop being hailed as the savior of hardcore RPGs.
>>335554429
Not really. Do your own research.
>>335554436
>How?
Even casual mainstream jrpgs like FF7's materia shits on the wticher with build/skill setups.
>They're action-adventure games.
That's exactly what the witcher is.
>>335554528
They kind of are though, let's be honest. Name a recent RPG as good as Witcher 3. It has no competition.
>>335554528
They're not. They're hailed as those guys who made some great games. Sorry if you're too autistic about superficial labels to see that.
>>335538827
In terms of story choices, which witcher is the best?
I really liked Witcher 1's choice system.
>>335554635
I thought they were held as the guys giving free DLC, oh wait, they don't do that anymore.
>>335554528
>savior of hardcore RPGs.
Literally never heard this ever said about them. People like CDPR because they are a pretty good game studio compared to the shit we get now, and they like Witcher, not because they're some hardcore RPG devs.
>>335554346
I like the guys who make Witcher threads and shitpost about how irrelevant the game is, while they make threads about it daily. The irony of it all.
>>335554635
They haven't made one single good game.
>>335539147
RPG means you have a role and you play it
>>335554710
>Literally never heard this ever said about them.
So this is literally your first day on /v/
>>335554728
Wow, you convinced me.
>>335554836
I love it when people who post their opinion act like someone doing the exact same thing with the exact same arrogance is "wrong" because they disagree.
>>335548701
>not playing with Combat Evolved 2.0 mod so you can't just chuck down dozens of potions and roll around like a retard
I heartily recommend it, try it.
It's a point and click adventure.
>>335554935
I love it when people fish for (You)s by attacking games with universal acclaim.
>>335554776
Is it your first day you obvious shitposter? Please show me where there was a big consensus that CDPR are hardcore RPG saviours.
>>335554704
>gives 16 pieces of DLC for free
>sells expansions because that much content for free is a fucking dumb business idea
>hurrrrr I thought they gave away DLC fur freee
Why did I even bother responding.
>>335555049
>Why did I even bother responding.
because you saw a chance to glorify a company you think likes you. Pretty dumb thing to do.
>>335554528
No one has ever heralded them as this, nice strawman faggot. Witcher has always used whack a mole combat. They get praised for their no-DRM policy, dark atmosphere/story, and being anti-SJW.
>>335555034
But anon, we the actual gamers are confused by it's supposed acclaim. It's a video game with really, really bad gameplay. How is it deserving of acclaim when it fails to do what games are supposed to? I'm sure it'd of been a great film or TV series though.
>>335554776
Show me a screen cap you faggot. /v/ sucked their dick for being a PC only company that put out games with amazing graphics, never for their hardcore RPG elements.
>>335555049
>actually denying that cdprdrones weren't constantly spewing their "saviour of pc/rpg gaming" crap for months
Shill, shitposter, newfriend, I don't care what you are, but you are full of shit either way.
>>335555196
>we the actual gamers
Go choke on a bag of dicks.
>>335554776
We all know you're a regular on reddit TheBull94, no need to expose your newfag ways.
>>335555280
I've seen those savior comments around PoE or DivOS, maybe a bit of Wasteland 2, but not at all around Witcher.
>>335555196
>we the actual gamers
>>335555280
But you were the only one who's posted Witcher threads for the last couple months faggot. You even bring it up in threads about games not related to it.
>>335555414
So newfriend it is then.
>>335555441
>But you were the only one who's posted Witcher threads
Oh it's where you accuse me of being some boogeyman to avoid admitting you are full of shit. Dragon Age sucks, I didn't even play Inquisition.
>>335555280
>The shitposter who still can't stop whining about Witcher accusing others
Not only are you a known redditor you are literally the only one who keeps CDPR on /v/'s front page.
>>335555280
>>335555445
>has nothing to prove it
>Y-y-ou're all shills and newfags
Great damage control. Only newfag or shitposter here is you.
>>335555565
see>>335555542
You are as pathetic as the idiot posting those threads.
>>335555157
Well, then it's a shame things are so bad that that's all it takes.
>>335555542
>Accuses people of being shills
>You're making up a boogeyman!
I call like I see em faggot. You can kill yourself now.
>>335555196
>we the actual gamers
I don't say this very often, but seriously go back to fucking Reddit.
You play the role as Geralt and there's stat based management for his skills that you can adapt to your liking.
Also, I personally associate RPGs with having a certain threshold of world interactivity, of which the Witcher 3 has.
>>335554710
If it were an irrelevant game, noone would care to make these threads or defend the game, so it does show something.
>>335538827
Anon nowadays rpg mean fps/tps with too much focus on cinematic story and skilltrees. Others are called cod/gow clones.
>>335555624
Only sad one here is you. So desperate for the glory days when you got 500+ replies. They're gone now. But you've got no life outside of shitposting about Witcher so you'll still be here desperately trying to recreate them.
>>335555728
>>335555302
>>335555440
>Gamers don't have to be your audience!
>Gamers are over!
Congratulations /v/, you did it. Have your complimentary male ally badge.
>>335555196
>Us gamers
I'm shocked how long it took to expose you as a redditor
>>335555913
>Un-ironically calling yourself a gamer
Might as well just identify as a faggot
>>335555961
>>335555847
>>335555565
>>335555441
>i go around the internet saving screencaps of people saying mean things about a video game I like
I think /v/ hates SJWs so much because they are just fucking like you.
>>335555913
>>335556085
>Uh oh, I got called out for my obvious Reddit-tier posting
>Better throw some Gamergate shit to derail the thread!
Please leave /v/, people like you are really ruining this place.
>>335556085
>DELETE THESE
K E K
E
K
>>335556085
>STOP IT, STOP IT RIGHT NOW
Are you crying little cuck?
>>335556283
No, just once again sighing at the display of idiocy from fanboys. Oh well.
>>335556406
>No, just once again sighing at the display of idiocy from fanboys. Oh well.
>loses the shitposting war
>tries to sound like he was the rational one here
>*tips fedora* tier comment
I think you're better off making another account on Reddit and shitposting there TheBull94. It's painfully obvious you don't even bother to change up your tactics or try to mask it.
>>335547421
it is though
So I'm playing Hearts of Stone and am currently at the wedding. Does it get better? I was told it was easily better than the Baron questline but right now it's boring as fuck.
>>335557034
Yes.
>>335556082
I don't see the connection
>>335556675
And there it is, the final ironic sad shitpost where he has convinced himself he got back at some shitposter who wasn't even here. I'm sure if he was though he'd be very happy to know you constantly think about him day and night. You see kid, shitposters like him have won when dickheads like you ruin your own threads and he doesn't have to lift a finger.
>>335538827
ITT: neo /v/ kiddies brought up thinking their cancerous railroaded D&D campaigns are actually roleplay despite there being no roleplay
go to RPG codex if you want a real discussion not this cesspool of underage angst and top tier faggotry by pathetic individuals who spend more time on an imgboard than playing video games
>>335557303
RPG Codex isn't much better than /v/. Don't pretend their posting quality is any better except they have more elitism and a far stronger preference for 90s cRPGs.
>>335557301
>STOP MAKING FUN OF ME
Literally on suicide watch
>>335558394
So you weren't good at killing yourself or something?
>>335539147
>spot the millenial
Truly a great generation.
>>335539147
>>335538827
Not all RPGs have character creators, your underage is showing. Post less lurk more
>started playing The Witcher 3 literally hours ago
>tfw when it was barely an RPG
>tfw when it's open world dynamics are exactly the same as those of Goat MMO Simulator
The actual game was okay though, gameplay and writing was just painfully average and generic.
>>335539993
>>335545151
Self-inserters are the unpaid, less talented, and less educated version of Stephanie Meyer of videogames.
>>335558726
how does it compare to the first two?i liked the first one's writing
>>335549116
>JC can remotely detonate explosives just after they have been fired by the enemy
>JC can generate flying drones out of thin air that detonate with emp shocks
>JC can literally regenerate lost body-parts with nanomachines
How is that not sorcery?
>>335553617
>JRPGs
>>335538827
>When did the RPG become a loose term for swords and dragons
This has been the case in here ever since weebs took over the board after Bioware imploded.
>>335558848
It's nothing like the first, it's like an open-world and dumbed down version of the second. Writing is solid if you just want more of the same.
>>335558848
The writing in 3 is great, that guy's a fag.
1 uses a lot of storylines from the books, its sort of a theme park of stories already told. Witcher 3 is all original writing and has more than a handful of memorable stories that are told well.
You shouldn't take too seriously the opinion of someone who's played the game for like 30 minutes and hasn't reached any of the big stories.
>>335538827
>It's a how to make a thread with fuckloads of replies episode
>>335539147
I agree with you. In a perfect world we would be able to create our own characters an experience a world that reflects that characters uniqueness. We would have stories that branch out not only based on our decisions but our characters race/appearance/attributes. But this isn't a perfect world. It still doesn't take away from the witcher 3 being a damn good role playing game where you play the role of geralt.
>>335558918
This is becoming more and more apparent to me.
>The Witcher starts pandering to the SJW audience
>suddenly /v/ starts hating the series
You guys are the most predictable faggots in the world.
This is an RPG, kids.
>>335539147
It seems like Skyrim was your first RPG
Please stop posting shit. Lurk moar
>This entire thread.
>>335559221
Witcher 1 had a brown skinned guy, Azar Javed. Witcher 1 also had homosexuals. So did Witcher 2. Witcher 3 had a brown guy in it and homosexuals.
It's one shitposter from Reddit spamming for (You)'s.
>>335559221
Witcher has been getting shitposted off /v/ since a year before 3 even came out.
Largely a lot of the hate on this board comes from buttbothered Bethesda and Bioware fans.
>>335559221
>The Witcher starts pandering to the SJW audience
What?
>>335559273
Skyrim is at least a RPG unlike TW3.
>>335559319
EA doesn't pay for shills for Bioware games anymore, they have completely given up on them.
>>335553023
>>335558597
Stop this shit, chances are you're both under the age of 36.
>>335559435
You'd be surprised, although the paid shills are on to other projects there are legitimately people who think Bethesda or Bioware have honor they need to defend against CDPR, who insulted them so harshly by actually putting effort in their game.
I mean there are still Bioware/Bethesda /vg/ generals.
>>335559593
Bioware games used to have 24/7 generals in /v/. It was a very beloved developer until everything started going wrong circa 2011.
And while the last two Witcher games have great production values but they don't have basic elements that Bethesda and Bioware usually have.
>>335543034
Puzzle games
>>335543034
>Not siding with anyone here, but what game isn't an RPG then? every game you play you take the role of something
We had this debate ages ago when people were saying stupid shit like "Zelda is a RPG".
People just cannot accept the fact that The Witcher series are just action-adventure games.
>>335558918
You again?
>>335559221
Welcome to the fucking show
>>335560047
Right looks so much more imaginative. Why can't westerncucks into imagination?
Good goy! CDPR is your friend. We care for the hardcore PC gamer. Please buy our expansion pack as we downgrade it further for consoles while bastardizing the story for tumblr.
>>335559785
None of that really matters, only an autistic child would put down a developer out of loyalty to a company that has shown it cares more for money than their own audience, or even, in general. Even if Bethesda and Bioware weren't crooked, disgusting companies, it doesn't really have anything to do with how people should perceive TW3.
>>335560018
Even if they are, it has RPG elements. The argument over "accepting" anything is simply semantics, because believe it or not you aren't as right and people aren't as wrong as you tell yourself it all is in your head.
For instance, Crusader Kings is a Grand-Strategy and Mountain Blade is an RPG, but I don't play either of these games for those aspects of the gameplay.
>>335560047
>shitty Bethesda customization
>being able to recreate real people
>dialogue choices are so vague Shepard might say something completely different
>direct control over dialogue choices
>literally a cookie-cutter Mary Sue
>not following standard tropes
Maybe is time to stop apologizing for this shitty modern RPGs.
>>335538827
RPG is literally a reference to any level of gameplay that involves stats and the increase of them with experience.
choices within gameplay are optional, but recommended.
The "role" has very little to do with story or self-inserting your own OC. It's all about character progression on some level (which is where the term "RPG elements" comes from.)
Otherwise, Life is Strange would be a fucking RPG. No Man's Sky would be a fucking RPG.
>>335560047
I like how that pic doesn't just reverse things, and simply acknowledges the merits of both styles. I appreciate the unique traits of both JRPGs and WRPGs, though I'll admit that I tend to favor WRPGs.
>>335560274
Bioware is not corrupted because of their own internal policy but rather because they are tied to EA which constantly forces them into stupid choices and rushed development times.
And Bethesda gives their fans exactly what they want.
>>335560127
>sparkly rainbow edgy OC-level characters with a tragic backstory
>imaginative
A 12 year old on Deviantart could do a better job at character design
Explain to me how Witcher 3 is an RPG but Ass Creed isn't.
That's right, you can't. Since this trash game is a literal Ass Creed copypaste.
>>335554429
Mainline Shin Megami Tensei is probably the best I can think of off the top of my head. As far as blank slate characters where your choices affect the story go.
It is an RPG, but a pretty damn bad one.
>>335558534
I bet that reply sounded real badass in your head kid.
>>335560274
>Even if they are, it has RPG elements.
Having RPG elements is not the same as being a proper RPG game.
>>335560404
A 12 year old seems more competent than western devs then, who can only shit out the same boring "stoic middle-aged guy" trope over and over again.
>>335560208
So wait, they're not actually releasing the REDkit modding tools? That pic is a little unclear.
>>335560312
>RPG is literally a reference to any level of gameplay that involves stats and the increase of them with experience
So Devil May Cry 3 is a RPG then?
>>335560520
Hack and slash with RPG elements.
>>335560493
They're not. Because they're selling DLC now instead.
Good goy, enjoy your based CDPR that cares for PC gaming more than Ubisoft and EA.
>>335538827
You're playing the role of Geralt you fucking retard.
>>335560378
>Bethesda gives their fans exactly what they want.
They must not want much if they simply want more of the Bully engine. I think the reception of Fallout 4 implies different
>>335560472
>>335560416
What exactly is a proper RPG game? All video game RPGs suffer a core problem of linearity in storytelling, which is what RPGs are really about from inception. Here's the definition of a role-playing game.
>Both authors and major publishers of tabletop role-playing games consider them to be a form of interactive and collaborative storytelling.[2][10][11]
All video game RPGs suffer this issue, which then infers the problem that; if you act like a pedantic little faggot enough you could essentially say that no video game RPG has ever been an RPG.
Which is stupid, and for petty people who need to find more constructive uses of their time.
>>335538827
Just like every jrpg.
>>335560470
That is a genuine question
>>335560481
>who can only shit out the same boring "stoic middle-aged guy" trope over and over again.
I am not gonna deny that's a very common character type but it's not like there is no variety. Especially when character customization is way more common in WRPGs.
>>335560591
By that logic, literally every game ever made is an RPG.
>>335560545
>Hack and slash with RPG elements.You just described The Witcher 3 there.
>>335560481
But Geralt tells shitty jokes and is basically the only sane person. Him being stotic is a meme.
>>335560681
Duh.
>>335560595
In practical terms, RPG is when the player is given the freedom of managing stats, classes, gear and so on. Under these conditions, Witcher 3 comes out fairly barebones as an RPG, more in line with what Ass Creed is.
>>335538827
Have you played a game called Final Fantasy? It even has less RPG elements than The Witcher and it's considered one of the best RPGs ever.
>>335560582
Well damn. That's a fucking dick move. I remember people talking about how they could dethrone Bethesda if the mod tools were good, and then they do this.
>>335560582
Their DLC at least can be called fucking expansion. I can protect as those damn ARE expansions, not DLC.
>>335538827
>>335539147
>Planescape Torment isn't an RPG anymore
Almost every RPG gives a fair amount of backstory on your character that would likely influence your morality and most have some level of predetermined appearance. In Fallout, you're a vault dweller. In Fallout 2, you're a tribal. In New Vegas, you're a courier. In Baldur's Gate, you're Gorion's Ward. In Oblivion, you're a prisoner. In NWN2/MOTB, you're a harborman and even have friends and a foster father you talk to. In VTMB, you're the kind of guy willing to have kinky sex with a creepy ass vampire in a shitty motel. Even DnD has premade characters, tables for generating characters by random rolls, and old-school rules have you play a character around the stats you roll and will restrict classes if your roll is bad for them or bad in general.
You can argue that Geralt is too predetermined and it negatively affects the game, but it doesn't, by any means, make the game not an RPG.
>>335560791
>In practical terms, RPG is when the player is given the freedom of managing stats, classes, gear and so on
Are you fucking stupid? You just READ the definition of an RPG.
Get with the fucking program kid, come on. Holy shit, its not difficult when you're already being spoonfed.
By the way, there are a bajillion different RPG systems in the world in how combat is done and whether there are stats and if they are managed.
>>335560595
>I think the reception of Fallout 4 implies different
Fallout 4 sold more copied in a single day than The Witcher 3 will ever sell.
Critics stopped being representative of the gaming community many years ago.
>>335560768
You can be stoic and still have fun.
>>335538827
>character creation is necessary for role playing
>implying you can't play the role of an existing character
>>335560874
Yeah I am sure the reception of people who bought the game doesn't mean much either.
>>335560595
>What exactly is a proper RPG game?
>>335560824
Those people were delusional and where the fuck have you been? This was known since last year. The reason is because apparently REDEngine3 uses middleware that CDPR can't license, if I understood the reply on the Polish forums.
>>335538827
anon-kun
>>335560824
They did it because Redkit for W2 was pretty much forgotten before even year passed. Almost no mods so they decided to don't waste a time on bunch of guys that make remodels and mechanics changes (tools for that were released if I remember, but not real Redkit)
>>335547421
>With your logic, The Division is a fucking RPG.
My friend basically says it's an MMORPG so I believe it.
>>335560809
>Have you played a game called Final Fantasy? It even has less RPG elements than The Witcher
No it doesn't.
>it's considered one of the best RPGs ever.
Only my delusional weebs.
>>335560932
>predetermined selection of races
woooooooowww
>>335560915
literally every single game is an rpg if you put it that way
>>335561009
It pretty much is. A shared-open shooter is just a roundabout way of calling it a MMOFPS.
>>335560312
This guy gets it. "Role" in Role-Playing Game genre doesn't equal theatrical role where a person becomes someone else for some time. "Role" in RPGs reference to the role of your character or characters within boundaries of a game. What can they do, what they can't, what are their pros and cons, their capabilities and functionality within game's system, and when all of these things develop and change over time with influence from player's actions and decisions then that game is an RPG. Not because you "make choices in dialogues" but becuase your choice form the role of your proteges.
>>335560856
>You can argue that Geralt is too predetermined
You just argued that very well.
But he is not just predetermined, you have absolutely no influence on his character.
>mfw Dragon's Dogma has better gameplay and is more of an RPG than this dudebro bait game
I wonder when devs will stop using RPG as an excuse for shit gameplay.
>>335561027
Not him, but best RPG ever made, I mean in your opinion. Just asking.
>>335538938
Like in every other game right?
>>335560582
>They're not. Because they're selling DLC now instead.
You mean the DLC that's longer than most games? It's a fucking expansion.
>>335560520
>>335560545
I think this illustrates an enormous problem with /v/ and their narrow definition of what an RPG should be.
"RPG elements" play a huge role in just about every major title out there, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It makes you strive for a personal goal while you play, and rewards you for your efforts by giving you useful and/or exciting capabilities you didn't have before, keeping the experience fresh on some level.
Besides, this isn't new. Literally every video game, EVERY VIDEO GAME IN EXISTENCE, can trace it's roots. from health to damage to defensive measures, back to Dungeons and Dragons and the way numbers are used in gameplay. Don't believe me? Check out any ini file or other kind of document that can be edited on notepad (or sometimes not, when a developer smugly feels like they got it right and the game cannot be played any way other than the way they intended) and you will find values on just about everything in-game; enemy HP, weapon damage, range, etc.
Trying to separate the term "RPG" from other genres is an exercise in almost comedic stupidity; RPGs are the reason video games exist, and no matter what genre you are playing, on some level, you can find familiar bits and pieces that dictate gameplay that find it's roots in one of the oldest RPGs in existence.
>>335539147
>source: me
reminder
>>335561038
But he's right. PS:T and Alpha Protocol both restrict you with a set character with a set backstory. You get more freedom with both, but you can not change some basic truths about them. Like being straight for example.
You do get more freedom with both than with Geralt however, but moving forward CDPR seems set to let people self-insert with custom PCs.
Role playing game is a game where you play a role, which may or may not be completely customized by you. You are expected to ADAPT to the role and in no way should you always be spoon-fed a blank sheet character so that you can "immerse" yourself. If you are so stupid that you can't empathize with a fantasy character who is not a carbon copy of your own fantasy then it's not the game's fault.
In fact, blank sheet characters result in bland stories, lack of complicated relationship and depth in general. Many of the great "WRPG"s in fact have many predetermined traits. In Baldur's Gate you can't ever abandon your identity as the Baalspawn and you have a full childhood story written and handed to you. It's 100% fine how TW3 did it.
>>335561032
>has never played M&B and has no idea of what he is talking about
>>335560932
Mountain Blade is a very good game but lets be real that it tells a very weak story, which makes it kind of weak as an RPG.
I mean I can create my own dynasty in Paradox games, set my own borders and flags and statistics for my leader; go on to conquer the world AND have more political intrigue along the way - but its not an RPG at the end of the day.
>>335560948
I haven't followed any news about Witcher 3 because I still haven't played the first two and I wanted to avoid possible spoilers. I only heard talk about the Witcher mod tools in Skyrim mod communities, when they talked about the limitations of the Creation Kit and how the REDkit might prove to be a superior alternative.
>>335561164
>>335561103
>Mfw people try to claim DD is anything but a meme game
I sure loved killing bandits and goblins over and over while doing the same damn fetch/kill/escort quests in the most boring setting ever. Nice try shill. DAI is a better game.
>>335561027
>no it doesn't
The Witcher allows you to to choose how you approach and end some of the narrative and questlines.
Final Fantasy let's you choose yes or no to continue the story with a very very few (maybe 2 or 3 in an entire game) dialogue choices that have zero consequence.
FF is a really shitty RPG and it's an even shittier video game because the combat is always so goddamn shallow.
>>335561103
>mfw Dragon's Dogma has better gameplay and is more of an RPG than this dudebro bait game
Too bad it's insanely repetitive and the plot sucks hairy troll balls.
Although gameplay is indeed very good.
>>335561273
Just pirate them faggot, not like CDPR even needs the money now.
>>335561257
>Story is most important in RPG
Read that post and /thread it. >>335560312
>>335538827
Well it cant be an ARPG, its combat is too shit.
>>335561303
the only reason people praise dragons dogma is because its relatively unknown, its a mediocre game and essentially skyrim with flashier combat
Can't make the gameplay good? Just call it an RPG! The masses will eat that shit up confusing the shitty combat for RPG mechanics. GOTY inbound folks.
>>335561219
>le reddit le anime reaction
Only one redditor here and it's not me.
>>335561387
So is ME1's but that's the only real RPG Bioware has made in decades.
>>335561027
Delusional weebs and gaming journalists both dickride Final Fantasy (especially older FFs) hard. Go to the catalog and you'll see at least one Final Fantasy circkejerk thread at all times.
