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you're late
>>335343381
NO ONE IS LATE
We tabletop games now. MMORPG? What the fuck is that
What are we mad about now?
>>335343323
>tfw grew up poor in the shitty part of Europe
>only knew people were playing wow, never knew what retail was like, only shit cracked servers
>big fan of warcraft so i got mad jelly of people that played it
>finally can afford to play it in 2016, buy wod and play for a few days
goddamn what a piece of shit game, i feel bad for buying wod
>>335343323
What is this? The hell is a world quest?
>>335344475
weekly quests with a new name
>>335344189
your reward for playing is to be able to not play
So you need to spend a huge amount of resources if you want to skip one quest and you can only use this ability once per week?
>>335345009
Yes, and /v/ will act like it's the end of WoW. They'll look for any reason to hate it.
>>335343323
is every class hall going to have this tree or will it be different for each class?
>>335344991
>Can skip 1 quest every 3 days
Oh boy
>>335345574
Different for each class except everyones final one is the same (ability to equip an addition world legendary)
all i ever wanted are completing quests instantly
>Arcane Armaments (Tier 5) - You can place a work order for Champion armaments and equipment.
So followers, garrison missions AND follower upgrade gear.
WoD 2.0
>Blizzdrones pay $15 a month to not play a game
lmao desu
>>335346450
Kinda like me and the TV-license.
>>335346004
No, many ones are the same. Check mmo-champion.com for the complete list.
>>335346245
>garrison
>GARRISON
Fuck this, I'm out.
>>335348769
N-No Anon you idiot it's not the garrison system with a new coat of paint, y-y-you're just a hater! T-The game is better off without people like you!
>>335348294
>tfw my flatmates pissed their pants and bought one out of fear and I had to pay 1/3 and they didn't even bring a TV to uni and expected me to fucking provide a TV for the living room and I did and no one fucking used it so I put a smaller TV in there and took mine in my room and they bitched at me
Fucking povvo cunts. Living on my own next time.thanks for listening
>>335348769
>Garrison
Um excuse me it's the ORDER HALL. You aren't doing garrison missions with followers while setting up garrison work orders.
You're doing ORDER HALL MISSIONS with your CHAMPIONS while settings up ORDER HALL WORK ORDERS.
>>335346245
>b-b-but it's not just Garrisons!
>It's a totally different system!
>It just uses Resources, Upgrading followers, time gates, the same rewards, the same interface, and the same core concept of offline progression and hard time gates that cannot be bypassed!I miss Isle of Thunder
>>335348954
>Flatmates
More like flASSHOLES. Bet they still ask their parents for money every once in a while out of bad economy management and bad habits.
>guys its slightly different from garrisons so its not garrisons calm down
Doesn't matter how different it is. The point is people clearly don't want this menu management shit in an mmo.
The class hall being a quest hub is fine but all this champion, resources and menu garbage need to just be removed. Blizzard clearly worked hard on this interface and are just pissed people don't like it
>>335349102
>Isle of Thunder
Is this supposed to be irony? Because that island was time gated as well.
>>335349116
one of my housemates gets £5k off her dad and still gets full student loan because she's briandead.
The other ones not as bad but he can be a solid cunt when it comes to house issues.
Never live with anyone you haven't already lived with.
>>335349206
It was, but it was presented better and, onmce the time gate was over for the server, it was over forever for everyone, you didn't have to sit through FOUIRTEEN FUCKING DAY research times on EVERY FUCKING ALT before you could even consider raiding.
>Everybody hates Garrisons
>Blizzard brings them back
>Everybody hates Versatility
>Blizzard keeps it
>Fire Mages all love Combustion
>Blizzard removes it
Fuck Blizzard.
>>335349216
>one of my housemates gets £5k off her dad
>£5k
>5-fucking thousand-britbongdollaridoo
And I felt like a fucking ashole getting 500 SEK every second or third month from my grandma while living here in Tokyo. And I don't even need them, but she insists.
>>335349396
Activision-Blizzard*
And yeah, they have no clue what their fans want these days. YOU THINK YOU DO.
>>335349131
It's an easy time gate Skinner box that keeps people on the hook. It's the trappings of a mobile game like clash Royale with the microtransaction being a flat monthly. It's pretty disgusting how transparent it is.
>>335349396
>removes combustion
what
jesus christ do they know no bounds?
>>335349396
>fire Mages love combustion
What? Are you retarded? No, no Fire Mage likes being a DoT based spec, and the change of combustion back to its old glory and the refocusing of Fire Mage back on BIG DICK PB CRITS is one of the best things about Legion period
>>335349430
>they have no clue what their fans want these days
Oh they know very well what they want. The problem is the game is led by 2 egos the since of the galaxy, who will never let anyone else direct their design, because they are perfect and all their ideas are just as perfect as them.
You'll shut the fuck up and like whatever Alex "You have 10 days" Afrasiabi likes
>>335349493
>referring to any part of Legion as "best" unless it's best at being a piece of shit
Pathetic.
>>335349557
>>referring to any part of Legion as "best" unless it's best at being a piece of shit
Argument can be added to any game in existence if you're gonna be cynical. But I'm not gonna defend some of the decisions in Legion.
>people actually had any hope for Legion
WoW players are the biggest cucks in video games.
How many times have you fags been cheated? Almost on a yearly basis now. Things won't change if you keep buying garbage.
That Nost petition might be annoying when its spammed but at least its WoWcucks finally doing at least something to stand up for themselves
This whole "well maybe next time" attitude people have with expansions needs to end
>>335349414
I'd say 80% of the people I've met really get a ton of help off their parents, but will bitch about not having money or not getting anything.
I haven't had anything from my family throughout my degree and idgaf, considering I'm an adult.Don't feel bad about getting money of your mormor, she loves you and wants you to be happy
>>335349557
Oh fuck off, Jackie 4Chan, spewing /v/ approved opinions, outside of the Garrisons 2.0, Legion looks fucking great.
>>335349627
>Argument can be added to any game in existence
You might be able to doesn't mean it would be right, at least when it comes to Legion it is. What a piece of shit.
>>335349481
They've completely gutted Fire. Combustion is being turned into a generic 3 minute CD that increases your crit by 100% for 15 seconds.
>>335349493
Combustion has been a mainstay of Fire since day 1 Vanilla and it's one of the only unique abilities remaining in the game. Legion Fire is a travesty, it's literally the same gameplay as current Frost and it's disgusting. There is no defense for what Blizzard is doing to Fire in Legion.
Fire as it is right now is almost perfect. Shift a little of the Pyroblast damage off the DoT and into the spell itself and there's no problem with it at all.
>BLIZZARD'LL FIX EVERYTHING, JUST YOU WAIT AND SEEYou think they will,but they won't.
>>335349675
Like I said, if you want to be cynical. And I also didn't want to defend some of the decisions in Legion either.
But I'm kinda fed up with the "disregard opinions because I think this game is complete shit with no redeeming values".
>>335349708
>Combustion is being turned into a generic 3 minute CD that increases your crit by 100% for 15 seconds.
Sounds great, about time Fire goes back to what it originally was, before you played the game, and not the limped wristed DoT faggot spec it is now.
>>335349782
Yeah well us, the playerbase are fed up getting served pieces of shit every fucking time. I'm actually missing crap like ToT now.
>Hire D3 team to work on WoW
>Get D3
Did they think because the D3 team helped save Destiny that this shit would fly?
Dead on arrival.
Even HE betrays us
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqXKm8_yd64
Do we have a list of the traitors yet?
>Asmongold
>BellularGaming
>Nixxiom
>Pat the NES punk
>JonTron
>HayvenGames
>Sodapoppin
>HeelvsBabyface
>Athene
>Boogie
>WowCrendor
We only have Preach and the official forums left, Blizzbros.. why the FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
WHY THE FUCK DO THEY ALL KEEP SHITTING ON BLIZZ?! CAN'T THEY SEE HOW GREAT WOD AND LEGION ARE
>>335349708
>Combustion is being turned into a generic 3 minute CD that increases your crit by 100% for 15 seconds.
You mean it's being reverted from when they tried to make Fire a DoT spec and being turned back into what it was from Day 1?
The only problem with Fire in Legion atm is the Living Bomb spread mechanic, because they wanted to make it like HOTS Kael bomb, but forgot that bomb only lasts a few seconds before exploding and spreading, not a third of a fucking minute.
If you want a DoT class, go play fucking Affliction lock, I want old, fun, Incidental DoT fire back,and it looks like I'm fucking getting it and you're eating shit.
Jesus, Garrisons 2.0 confirmed
Gonna be fun watching the Blizzcucks go through the five stages again
>hey chef how about we take that idiot that made everybody hate diablo and put him on WoW I mean they'll buy everything
Good going Blizzard
>>335349819
I know what you mean. Been playing since vanilla and even if wotlk was my favorite expansion, it started going downhill from there trying to keep players by making everything easily accessible. Just look at their subscription numbers from cataclysm and onwards.
>>335349908
Preach doesn't want to take a side and only focuses on WoW raiding. Not WoW as a fun game.
>>335349908
>YA BOY ASMONGOLD
Mememan, opinion discarded
>Nixxiom
Nelf DK RPer who plays on yurop servers, opinion discarded
>JonTron
ECH
>Boogie
Literally makes a living by whining, opinion discarded
>All those literally whos
kek
>CrendorHe's allowed to have his opinion and I respect his life choices but expected better of him
>>335349858
>Did they think because the D3 team helped save Destiny that this shit would fly?
It's has nothing to do with D3 team saving anything.
The matter is all about maximizing WoW RNG. If you can inject D3 level RNG in to every aspect of WoW, you have a recipe to keep people grinding for years.
>>335349908
i love watching lazy peon's videos hes pretty awesome
>>335343323
i genuinely wonder how they fill FIX all this shit in expansion after legion
>here is your asbringer for entire 10 levels, after that you can change it to superior green
>>335350000
>Just look at their subscription numbers from cataclysm
You mean the expansion that lost nearly no sub and maintained the highest sub numbers in the history of WoW?
Yeah, okay, I'm looking at it, what am I supposed to be seeing here, Quadnon?
>>335350105
Yeah he's one of the few MMO channels I bother watching all the content from. I think it helps that he's not a little SJW cucked bitch, even calls things faggots all the time and yet somehow never gets shit for it.
>>335349931
>How to spot someone who isn't crit softcapped
>>335350051
Preach is a balding guy in his late 30s who makes a living on making videos about a dying game. I don't blame him for his "opinions" but he clearly isn't honest about them. If you want honest Preach, go back to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rd0-zVIBVo
It's from a time when he wasn't depending on choking on Blizzdick and say what he actually felt.
>>335350070
>If you can inject D3 level RNG in to every aspect of WoW, you have a recipe to keep people grinding for years.
didn't D3 bleed players after launch despite all the free content updates and it being one of the best selling games of all time? Sure its the kind of game where you can come and go as you please with seasons, but that game doesn't have a high concurrent number of players.
>>335343323
People here really try to make ant hills into mountains, especially with Blizzard.
>>335350128
You're getting Cata and WotLK subs confused. Cata bled out 2m subs.
>>335350052
>but expected better of him
Like what?
>>335349216
>live with three others
>two never tidy up
>the third buys things she wants and tries to get the whole house to pay for them because it's "for the house"
Fuck you Sara. That new TV is for you and you know it you fucking cunt.
>>335350285
>that WoD rise and fall
They could have avoided this
>>335350251
>didn't D3 bleed players after launch
Considering it managed to be a top quarterly earner in Q2 2015 and Q4 2014, and also become a 10th highest selling game of all time (with more than 50% of its sales coming well after launch) no, not really.
>>335350128
Do you want me to buy you some new glasses, you retard?
>>335350262
This. People are just looking for stuff to be outraged about, and are picking the wrong stuff that blizzard are doing
>>335349651
>N-NO THE NEW EXPANSION WILL BE JUST LIKE BURNING CRUSADE I SWEAR!!!
>>335349979
Nah that ain't it, Wilson was shifted away from D3 to wow. Besides Chilton the legion team is made up of their failures and new blood, while Kaplan and the A team are on overwatch. Wow is now their sustainable project built to generate as much money as possible while doing the least amount of work or investment. Less raids, dungeons,quests,factions, and bgs, but more content like garrisons,daily hubs,time gated rep grinds and weekly quests, and the biggest of them all expansion long legendary (artifact) grinds. WoW has gone full 100%skinner box
>>335350229
I saw a recent video of him comparing raid progression in TBC was great and in WoD is a piece of shit, and that you have no content to do
>>335345238
It's not about liking or disliking it. It's inherently uninteresting to the majority demographic that's interested in MMOs.
>>335343323
CITIZENS OF DARLARAN RAISE YOUR EYES TO THE WORLD MAP ABOVE AND OBSERVE.
Wonder if Rhonins Ghost just appears on the world map, nukes the enemies and vanishes.
I dont even have the capacity to be surprised or disappointed at actiblizz anymore
>>335350370
People bought it and release was shaky. People started coming back when they nerfed difficulties, added MP level and paragon. RoS was the one that made it explode in sales.
>>335350229
I think he was honest in his statements about Nostralius, as he was arguing from information he had at the time. In lieu of all those ex WoW devs coming out about server costs and how Oldschool RS is run on a 3 man skeleton crew, the only real valid counter argument hes made about nost is the fact that the unwashed masses will flock to the server expecting content, or updates of some kind.
There really are some daft people who play this game.There is no IQ requirement for having access to the internet either.
>>335348954
>living in Europe
>>335350229
top kek he shits on blizzard all the fucking time
>>335350538
Better than Asia.
>>335350515
>There really are some daft people who play this game
Sure there are, how else could you explain the 3 million people still subbed to this steaming pile of shit.
>>335350515
>Oldschool RS is run on a 3 man skeleton crew
OSRS had its team significantly expanded because it was making so much money. They've got 3 code monkeys now, and 11 people working on it in total.
Ash is a legit Wizard though. some of the shit he does with the game is incredible.
>>335350285Look at the spots where Dungeon finder, Raid finder, and CRZ were implemented.
you're welcome.
>>335350610
Chinks with their choose any amount of time subs.
>>335350445
>Nah that ain't it, Wilson was shifted away from D3 to wow.
They also moved Don Vu, Diablo 3's Legendary item designer to WoW as well as John Yang, Diablo's lead designer.
World of Diablocraft: RNG Grinding Edition
Guys why cant we just move on
Why do we all still care about this shit 10 years later
>>335350637
>OSRS had its team significantly expanded because it was making so much money
DELETE THIS
NOBODY WANTS TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR OLD CONTENT
BLIZZARD SAID SO
>Blizzard wants yearly expansions
>every expansion since after Wrath has been slap dash and lacking content
This game basically became Everquest. Everyone who's still hoping for a Burning Crusade level expansion needs to give up.
TBC is something that will never happen again
>>335350573
IDK, living in Russia could be neat.
>Jontron speaks out about Nost
>Shows off how much of a fucking uneducated retard he is
>Hasn't played since Wrath and thinks his opinion holds any weight whatsoever
>Didn't even play MoP, one of the best expansions
>Thinks he can rightly criticize WoW despite not having played retail in years
It was embarrassing to watch.
>>335350637
>OSRS had its team significantly expanded because it was making so much money.
>>335350751
>Didn't even play MoP, one of the best expansions
This (you) is on the house, cuck
>>335350751
>MoP
>one of the best expansions
>>335350750
Russia is part european.
>>335349908
When ATHEEEEEEEEEEEEENE the BEST PALADIN IN DA WOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD says the current state of the game is shit, you know what's up.
>>335350751
KYS
>>335343323
Thank god I dropped WoW at the start of Cataclysm, everything went downhill after you killed Arthas and they started catering to normalfags with dungeom/raid finder and nerfing anything that proposed a challenge.
>>335350713
Y-YEAH YOU TELL EM'
BLIZZARD WOULD NEVER BETRAY THE FANS
>>335350798
It had the most enjoyable starting zone. Rest of the expansion was meh.
>>335349396
>versatility
Nobody has the prerogative to diss it with main-stat stacking being a thing. It's also the best stat for a bunch of specs because it's that x% damage that we used to get from talents.
>>335350781
>>335350798
>People who didn't play MoP
It's always so easy to find which ones you are.
>>335350897
I didn't like MoP at all, felt too chaotic, crowded with mobs.
>>335350445
>Wow is now their sustainable project built to generate as much money as possible while doing the least amount of work or investment. Less raids, dungeons,quests,factions, and bgs, but more content like garrisons,daily hubs,time gated rep grinds and weekly quests, and the biggest of them all expansion long legendary (artifact) grinds
If this was really the case, they'd probably love the people asking for legacy servers, not reject them.
Legacy servers don't need any active content development at all outside bug fixing, no new content at all to make, just gross profit minus negligible server costs.
>>335350681
>people who had no clue what made D2 so great fuck it up
>now the same people are on WoD/Legion and have no clue what made vanilla/BC so great
I wonder how Legion will turn out :^)
>content that allows you to skip content
Blizzard fags will defend this.
>>335350713
>>335350876
YOU GUYS KEEP PREACHING, THESE FAGS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY WANT
>>335350729
>been awake for two days and some change
>can't sleep because of reasons
>thought that thumbnail was a picture of an alien standing on the beach
>>335350853
>>335350798
>>335350781
Not him, but there were 3 things wrong with MoP.
1. Putting raid gear and important enchants behind reps/dailies causing players to burn out in 5.0
2. Pandas
3. 14 months of SoO.
This 1 raid tier a year shit is getting stale blizz.
>>335350946
Making yearly expansions and less content in them prints them more money than hosting a old school server that a small niche crowd would pay to play.
Just wait. Legacy servers WILL happen.
Once they feel like they can't shit out any more expansions they'll have to milk the playerbase somehow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq-HwvYjLLg
>>335343323
Its the lowest tier reward given for the world quest. They're done in three tiers.
>>335351034
>This 1 raid tier a year shit is getting stale blizz
Next time it will be different, goy. To make sure of that we are charging 10 bucks more
>>335351061
>Small niche
Uh huh
>>335351034
>year of ICC
>year of DS
>year of SoO
>year of HFC
I'm starting to see a pattern
>>335349627
>>335349658
>game has the same content problems as ever
>it'll be neat!
>>335350946
Maybe in the future but they have legion to shill, nobody would buy it if legacy servers hit. Subs are down and they are nearing a new xpac release. Why do you think they killed nost? Its early enough out that most player outrage will die down and normies will go back to being clueless
>>335351061
>that a small niche crowd would pay to play.
Yeah they said the exact same about ORS. It's played more than the modern version now.
>>335351016
PETITION MASTER DISGRACE AM I RIGHT?
N-NEVER EVER!
>>335351146
More than a year of SoO and HFC. Siege was 14 months, HFC is going to be 15.
>>335351178
Where did I say it would be neat?
>>335351034
>1. Putting raid gear and important enchants behind reps/dailies causing players to burn out in 5.0
Previous expansions did this as well.
>2. Pandas
Kill yourself you fucking faggot, not even real criticism.
>3. 14 months of SoO.
Wrath and Cata also had a long drought.
>>335351140
Nost the biggest private server ever at its peak only had 100k active players and that's counting everyone from every region in the world that was playing on two free to play servers.
>>335351181
>nobody would buy it if legacy servers hit.
I assume you missed the 3 million people still playing modern WoW happily, who will still buy Legion.
The majority of the people wanting Legacy aren't subbed anymore, they want legacy BECAUSE modern WoW is shit. That's not a conflict of demographic, that's added subs when non-subbed players return for legacy.
>>335351034
one raid a year keeps the goyim in fear
>>335350814
vlad pls
>>335351112
Basically this
The ability that completes a world quest only works on the smaller quests, not the more challenging and rewarding quests.
>>335343323
>every day a World of Warcraft thread with 500 replays and a ton of addicts
You fuckers are going to buy the game anyways, even if you are trying to deny it. It's a symptom of addiction.
>>335351207
>It's played more than the modern version now
It's probably what Blizzard fears the most. Why the fuck would anybody play WoD/Legion if they could play Classic/BC instead?
It makes perfect sense for them to not set up Legacy realms.
>>335351251
>Vanilla was the only time WoW ever had a fast, consistent, health patch turnover rate that justified paying $15/month for.
Blizzard is no longer going into the games development with the mentality of wanting to make an rpg
Now they go into development with wanting to make sure that everything is balanced, everything is accessible and treat the entire game like its some kind of product/esport.
This game was made by a bunch of fags who played EQ and wanted to make their own version. Even back in 2004 this game was normie tier in terms of accessibility and there's nothing wrong with that.
Seeing how most people react to Vanilla now shows how badly the main demographics attention span has fallen
>>335343323
>talent trees with those comfy as fuck backgrounds removed to dumb down the game
>they eventually backpedal on talent trees and now they're back with artifacts
>they use the old comfy backgrounds for garrison 2.0 uis
It's like adding insult to injury.
>>335351291
You clearly can't think like a businessman, why take the risk? You dropped from 10 million to 3 in a year. Eliminate all other threats regardless of their reason.
They're killing WOW.
On purpose.
Legion is going to be the last major expansion, after legion they're going to leave a skeleton crew to periodically update the game.
Right now they're focusing on their big new IP, overwatch, because overwatch is the first real chance they've had to do anything new in 17 years, activision blizzard has pretty much dropped the hammer, every single game blizzard has released in the passed 6 years has been a conglomerate wide failure, while yes its raking in blizzard millions if not billions, the costs per year for blizzard and acti-blizzard alone is costing significantly more then what the CEO's believe the company is worth, and is why Vivindi Game's is trying to sell off blizzard in their prime stock value.
However with WOW chronicle they're essentially gathering all the internal lore data for old fags like us.
And with their new Traveler series theyre setting up the next generation to be involved with the series as well.
The question is, after legion, are we getting WC4 or WOW2?
>>335346245
Okay it's better than Garrisons because you go and do missions and other players are in it but holy shit why do they want to bring it back? No one found it fun. I swear they're incapable of taking negative feedback. Just a bunch of egotistical retards because good people left or moved to Overwatch.
>>335348954
Who the fuck even owns and watches TV in this day and age. It's an ad-infested relic of an older time.
>>335351115
I was told not to believe your lies morhaime
>>335351251
What the fuck happened with WoD? I didn't know the situation was THIS bad. My gosh.
>>335350610
The Chinese don't have to pay a monthly sub and are counted for "subs" if they log in. Their time cards only expire if they're logged on.
NA is 9% of the internet, which is about 490k subs.
>>335344071
Speaking of tabletop has anyone tried the wow one? How about the D&D version of wow?
>>335351348
TBC just had all of its content shoved in at the expansions launch.
Notice where major content drought begins where dungeon finder was introduced
>>335350696
Because they probably fluff their sub numbers with chink "subs", and it still affects the industry.
Out of all the threads on /v/, these ones always have the least amount of intelligent (As far as /v/ standards go) arguing and constructive criticism.
>>335349708
Glad I left WoW behind, I'll never forget the fun that was multi-million damage combustions on alysrazor and single-handedly carrying dps for that fight. RIP
>>335351263
>Kill yourself you fucking faggot, not even real criticism.
Pandas are shit and you know it. Literal meme race.
>Wrath and Cata also had a long drought.
Wrath had a tier 10.5 raid in the middle of it and the raid was released in wings which made the whole thing tolerable. Cata's "drought" lasted 9 months. 5 months shorter than SoO and HFC
>>335351687
Thats because its clickbait.
>>335351620
It's literally just D&D 3.5 with Warcraft flavor. It's awful, just like every other d20 game that didn't go out of its way to rework the game from the ground up.
>>335351613
They pulled devs off WoD and put them on Legion BEFORE WoD launched, that's what.
>>335351687
>Blizzcuck triggered because /v/ it not his personal hugbox
No offense, but maybe you should fuck off back to mmo-champion and the offical forums
>>335351687
I bet you're in every one of them too.
>>335351291
>3 million
See
>>335351615
>>335351675
>>335351251
How do WoWfags defend paying a monthly sub fee for 1 year long patch cycles?
Not even F2P MMOs or FFXIV is this bad.
>>335351804
>Legion will be good guise I swear
this is getting stale
>>335351613
During WoD development, Hearthstone became the biggest cash cow Blizzard ever had, but a huge margin.
This made them realise that consistently making huge expansions and raids and shit to make people stay subbed and playing WoW wasn't worth it anymore because WoW wasn't their big dog anymore, Hearthstone was.
Hearthstone can turn over content in an hour, design takes a fraction of the team, cost, testing, everything. It's a higher earning game with a MAJORLY lower development cost. It's a financial hat-trick, and with that logic they are moving to put WoW on to the backburner, turn it into a low content, low playerbase (1m tops) game where they can develop minimal content and monetize via cash shop mounts and pets and services.
>>335351261
>Legion looks fucking great.
If the other post, it still is taking a positive stand for the game that has no reason or deservedness thereof.
>>335351927
They don't have to pay for it. Token farming is easy as dicks.
If there's no middle expansion patch raid tier then this game is dead into the ground.
This is the first time in a long time I've seen even Blizzdrones this mad about the game. Everyone is mad and Blizzard can't just keep sitting their like idiots thinking their Drone built blast shield will keep them safe
Say what you will about MoP but ToT patch had a lot of shit in it
>>335350637
They could probably manage with 3, though, considering how of the content they create doesn't get voted in by the playerbase.
>>335351615
>This retarded internet penetration = subs argument
There isn't even a fucking toothpick of logic to this argument, stop posting it.
>>335351991
This would be true if the sub count didn't tank so fucking hard.
>>335351396
>every criticism for the game is to make it like vanilla instead of mobile shit
>that must mean their attention span is lower
..
>>335352026
Someone still had to buy those tokens for $20
Any good farming bots out there? Selling gold here in my shithole might be a decent income.
I used to play the AH game heavily back in WoTLK. Hit gold cap and gave most of it away to noobs when I dropped it
Think I still have 300k and shitton of profession shit around
>>335352072
That doesn't even relate at all to what he said. The subs plummeted because their shift in focus away from WoW, it didn't matter even with the launch days subs Hearthstone is STILL a bigger earner and a lower cost.
Insta-completing quests should be the least of your worries, honestly. What's concerning is that not only are there mandatory garrison missions, but they're introducing huge arbitrary wait times as well. It's a horrible skinner box designed to wring out sub time and hide the fact that there isn't much content.
Legion had to be really good to save wow, it's already mediocre at best. Let it go fampai
>>335351504
Pretty sure Blizz already bought themselves from Vivendi.
>>335352160
Blizzard fanboys will defend this by saying it's removing the instant rewards.
>>335352015
It has some positive parts. Not everyone is looking at the constant click bait as source of information and read patch notes once in a while.
But in general I don't like the looks of the expansion as a whole. But I can't deny the good parts of it.
Hey guys, just passing by this thread to say hi.And make sure you all know that I will be the Champion of the Light.
>>335352067
Law of large numbers.
Btw..
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Your argument.
>>335352026
COPING
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>>335351296
OY, OY, RABBI
*counts shekels*
SO ARE YOU PROPOSING
*rubs hands*
ARE YOU SUGGESTING
*collects holocaust reparations*
THAT WE JEWS CAN
*checks penny stocks*
YOU ANTI SEMITE
*rubs hands*
SO YOU ARE SCHEMING
*vapes some Zyklon B*
SO YOU BE OFFERING
*polishes nose*
THAT WE CAN CHARGE 60 DOLLARS FOR AN EXPANSION, RAISE SUB FEES, AND RELEASE NO CONTENT FOR TWO YEARS? THE GOYIM WILL LOVE THESE NEW MOUNTS WE HAVE TO SELL!
>>335351251
Are you saying WoD is still in a x.1 patch??
That can't be true.
>>335352247
Are you fucking serious
I think the problem with WoW now is the over-abundance of gold. Picture related. Also, the garrison churns out like 130k a month if you focus on Treasure Hunters etc.
>>335352247
>>335350070
It was exactly the opposite, they made everything RNG so people didn't even bother grinding.
>>335352247
IT'S FAKE BAIT DON'T LOOK
>>335351687
There's nothing to say. The only decent critique, that the game's only method of improvement is sandbox design, gets ignored.
>>335352315
This doesn't seem right, somehow.
>>335352160
That picture is outdated, all final tier unlocks are now a raise on the legendary unique count. It's useful but legendaries are already nightmare RNG and you'll likely never even see 1 drop for youself, let alone more than one, so it's hardly mandatory.
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/409302-cmon-blizz-are-we-doing-this-again/
>Currently this ability only works on a small amount of World Quests - those akin to a daily quest. Does not work on dungeons, rare elites, bosses, etc.
>With that in mind, continued feedback is welcome!
>>335352305
It's in 6.2, but 6.1 was literally just a minor bugfix and the ability to take in-game selfies. It had no actual content. WoD is still in its first content patch.
>>335351991
WoW doesn't have to be so requisite of resources. The dev teams could simply make sandbox content. It's really that simple.
>>335352247
>>335352315
What am I even looking at?
>>335352314
>I think the problem with WoW now is the over-abundance of gold.
Yeah totally you fucking retard, it's not the lack of community, too easy game design, lack of content addition, single player design. It's the problem with you have 6 digits of many now instead of 4.
Just a reminder that it's cheaper to buy gold from gold sellers on North American servers and using that gold to buy gametime tokens than just paying a sub fee directly from Blizzard.
>>335352160
>research time: 14 days
Fuck off Blizzard
>>335352309
Yes I am.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=champion+of+the+light+illidan
>>335351517
Because it's a failsafe in case the WoW budget gets cut, like in was for WoD.
The reason garrison the garrison was so central in WoD was because so many content was canceled they had to rely on what they had to stall for time.
>>335352370
For minmaxers it's obviously going to be mandatory anyway
>nightmare RNG
I was really afraid of that. High tier guilds are going to be camping legendary-dropping mobs on spawn, aren't they?
>>335352239
Well, it's set up to be the same game without any content after raids.
>>335352315
What the... Are we throwing lore out of the fucking window now?
>>335352147
No, subs plummetted because they kept pissing on the core fanbase that kept the community growing, introducing their fellow RPG fans to this community driven adventure game.
Then they did everything in their power to kill guilds, force player to interact less and less.
Now raiding is is optional forms of content, you don't need to do it to see all the content.
They've done everything in their power since trial of the crusader to kill the core audience, in hopes of getting more and more subs, which worked for all of 6 months, then cataclysm hit, and it hit hard.
>>335352439
The in-game economy was one of the most important parts of the earlier WoW expansions, now any dipshit can make millions. Are you saying that it being butchered as well isn't just as bad as all the other bad decisions?
>>335349708
>Combustion has been a mainstay of Fire since day 1 Vanilla
>day 1 Vanilla
I'd hardly call a ten-minute cooldown that gave you a single guaranteed crit a "mainstay".
why do all new MMOs fail instantly if they don't cater to the waifufag anime grindshit audience?
>>335352491
It isn't that bad. Did you ever quest in badlands and do that quest where you had to seal a dreadlord inside that night elf guy? This is apparently him, after the night elf gained dominance and took control of the dreadlord's body.
>>335352491
>throwing lore out
Implying warcraft had lore.
Warcraft has never been anything more than war-hammer and all the cheesyiest fantasy tropes thrown in.
Anything happened with that Legacy petition yet?
>>335352558
because waifufag anime grindshit is popular
>>335352314
So I guess at this point who ever bids max bid in BMAH instantly wins t3 items ?
>The Order Halls aren't Garrisons 2.0.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5644-Order-Hall-Upgrades-Warcraft-Movie-Artifact-Knowledge-Raid-Testing-Blue-Posts
>>335352558
People don't play MMOs anymore. They just play WoW out of inertia.
>>335352601
Yup.
>>335352568
Completely forgot about that one if it's the blasted lands one you're talking about.
>>335352571
It's still lore even if it is cheesy.
>>335352571
Pre-warcraft 3 maybe.
It has pretty cool and reasonably intricate lore if you actually bothered to read it which you haven't.
>>335352384
>>With that in mind, continued feedback is welcome!
Good joke, if you've been following DK development.
They changed Blood Strike from a Rune cost to a Runic Power cost. It's absoluitely AWFUL, it fucks with the reliability of your mitigation, slows down your opening pull mitigation, and takes too long to between Blood Strikes to get the required resource, and just generally just feels shitty in gameplay. Blood DKs have been giving a tidal wave of negative feedback on the matter, and here was their response:
>Death Strike is not moving back to costing Runes. Please advance the discussion to other topics.
>>335352656
>It has pretty cool and reasonably intricate lore if you actually bothered to read it which you haven't.
If you're a neckbeard virgin.
>>335350070
>rng
>keeping people
Dude no, modern people want everything they see in the game wiki immediately. D3 had to give people complete sets upon leveling to just keep them there for another season. the time of D2 are over, people got used to be pampered like giant babies.
>>335349396
They also fucked up the whole pvp.
>>335352656
>It has pretty cool and reasonably intricate lore if you actually bothered to read it which you haven't.
not him but I've played since WC2 and I've read almost all the books and lore. It's very casual and shallow camp, you just need to embrace it
>>335352465
>legendary-dropping mobs
Every mobs drops them, they are world drops, and have drop rates on par with old vanilla epic world drops.
>He still plays/cares about WoW
Can you guys just move on with your lives already? There's better video games out there besides this one.
>>335352643
Yeah I meant blasted lands
>>335352714
So we agree it has some decent lore than.
>>335350285
I am interested in how many people will buy Legion, it wouldn't surprise me if it would sell around 10M copies
>>335343323
I'm canceling my preorder after that blue post promised class halls would be totally different but theyre still garrisons lite with people. They just dont give a fuck anymore. Gonna try black desert or ff14 because i dont want to play a 2006 legacy server either. MMO became one of the lowest quality genres.
>Demon Hunter
>Well Prepared (Tier 1) - Increases the chance for quest rewards to get a rare or epic Bonus Upgrade from non-repeatable quests.
>Well Prepared
>>335352358
>Worshiping the light is impossible for Demons
You fucking racist
>>335352558
Because no western developer knows how to make an MMO that doesn't already have a sucessful MMO under their belts.
Its either that or they make WOW clones,
>>335352480
And then 2016b is just a blank image :^)
>>335352384
>clicking source
>reading that thread on the offical forums
I thoght the whole "Blizzcuck" thing was just a meme but holy fucking shit, these "people" actually do exist.
How?
>>335352894
Religious beliefs has nothing to do with races, though.
No matter how much Blizzard shits down your throat, you guys will still play their games.
My dad still plays WoW and he LOVES garrisons. Every time I go over, he wants to show me how he sets up the fillower quests and how efficient he can be.
What do?
>>335352784
Tell me a good modern MMO.
>>335352845
It will happen what always happens.
+10M sales because people still has curiosity of the game and after 2 months the subs will drop drastically. During legion the subs will go down 3M. This is not 2006 Blizzard.
>>335352961
The MMO age is over, play better video games in general
>>335352952
just pretend you're interested like any normal human being would
>>335352794
No. Because Neckbeard virgins don't enjoy decent lore.
>>335352908
Monday is tommorow. What excuse do you think Blizzard is going to roll out this time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas
>tfw this video is still relevant
>4 years later and nothing has changed
>LFRcucks still try to defend this horrible shitty queue that non one actually likes doing
Dungeon Finder and LFR destroyed this game.
>>335352952
Introduce him to facebook games
>>335352961inb4 bunch of angry posts
>>335352952
tell your father to stop being a shit eating drone
>>335352961
FFXIV: Heavenswards.
Mayor content patches every 3 months. Lots and lots of QoL content (not only "high end"). Good comunity, reward players for playing old content so new players can still play the 100% of the game as if it was released today...
It's just like comparing a NES game with a PS2 game.
>>335353065
Preach's opinions are shit.
He's right in this reguard, but if it was up to him the game would be nothing but raiding, because he makes money from his raiding guides.
>>335352961
Compared to games in general or compared to other mmorpg's?
WoW.
>>335350229
>>335353065
Im going to drop a real bombshell here on you nerds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNFWhCw8dg
>>335352916
Video games are on of the few consumer markets where the consumers essentially join cults around the creators, and take business-consumer relationships way too far and think it's a personal relationship. It's fucking weird.
MMO-Champion, Official Forums and r/WoW are gigantic cancerous tumours of BlizzDrones
>>335353003
>+10M sales
Are you high? Literally nobody I know is excited for WoD, barely anyone has an active sub still. There is no hype at all outside of the wow forum hugbox.
>>335353254
>Kungen
Whiniest bitch in the entire old WoW community.
>>335351396
This, back when Wow came out sandbox mmos were still popular and Wow was considered for casuals, there's no surprise that the game evolved to be like it is now, that was the direction from the start. Still vanilla with it's world pvp was the best balance between sandbox and themepark, only maybe DAOC did it better.
>>335352060
Even that has changed over the year. Pretty much once the GE got voted in everyone who refused change left, and now most things win the vote.
They just voted in a brand new level of clue scrolls and a complete rework of the system.
The only "big" update that didn't get in was the Sailing skill, because it sounded like hot fucking garbage
>>335353283
*Legion, of course. Same shit though
>>335353254
>You have to do dungeons, you have to herbalism, you have to do whatever it takes to get money. Boom, 3 weeks later you have an epic mount
>3 weeks
Fuck me, I wish I was this guy. It took me forever.
>>335350751
>MoP, one of the best expansions
>>335349708
>They've completely gutted Fire. Combustion is being turned into a generic 3 minute CD that increases your crit by 100% for 15 seconds
thats what it always was you fucking retard
>>335353203
Compared to others MMORPGs.
>>335353130
I'd recommend FFXIV too if you care about making friends in a MMO and/or just enjoy doing casual and hardcore PVE content. If you care about world pvp or a game with a lot of pvp depth then look away.
>>335353624
>thats what it always was you fucking retard
Uh, no. From 1.11 to 6.22 it's been a DoT snapshot.
Combustion
2 min cooldown
Instant cast
Combines your damaging periodic Fire effects on an enemy target but does not consume them, instantly dealing X to Y Fire damage and creating a new periodic effect that lasts 10 sec and deals damage per time equal to the sum of the combined effects
