Dark Soulz 3 Meta = r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 (accidental kick) r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1
Everyones saying Darksouls 3 has the best PvP, but it doesn't. It has the best matchmaking. Everything else is a shit show so far...
>>335342119
>Implying you were around for the dual longsword R1/L1 spam of DSII
Congratulations on correctly identifying the attack button
R1 shitter gets mas he cant beat other r1 shitters.
Tip: try lucerne or maceand learn to use its 2handed L1 and L2
>>335342119
you want more cancer?
raw eztoc +10 and great magic shield spell on shield of want +5
r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1
*roll to cast spell again*
r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1
*roll to cast spell again*
r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1
*roll to cast spell again*
r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1
*roll to cast spell again*
r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1
*roll to cast spell again*
>>335342119
>(accidental kick)
How do I kick anyway?
>>335342412
exactly
>>335342119
Parry, Riposte.
Free win. Next.
>>335342249
It's not that I don't know how you're supposed to deal with that shit. But the delay is so fucking bad it's impossible to respond to anything appropriately.
When are these alt-F4ing hosts going to be fucking banned?
>>335342467
Oh sure, parrying is real reliable. Tell me more.
r1 spam is still better than backstab fishing in the first game where using regular attacks was completely pointless and made you vulnerable to backstabs. I dropped the second game so can't say much about pvp in it but I am pretty sure it was shit like everything else there.
>>335342412
Tap forward and hit R1
>>335342289
I refuse to use that cancerous weapon.
naw for me right now it's hover host with hover phantoms when invading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7yr-fh4Cr0
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FROMSOFT FIX YOUR SHIT
>>335342567
>Tell me more.
Ok.Git gud.
>>335342584
That backstab fishing you're referring to was considered to be the highpoint of dark souls meta.
>Implying that's even the problem
I invade someone for covenants shenanigans it's three dudes waiting for me
I try to do the blue covenant(s) I don't get pulled in to help
this game is suffering
>>335342584
>>335342687
>>335342706
And now a good majority of weapons swing in wide arcs, meaning that you frequently get interrupted trying to perform a backstab by your opponent swinging FORWARD.
>>335342119
>Dark Soulz 3 Meta = r1-
Parry
Riposte
Next cuck in line, please.
>>335342119
>retards try this
>pull out sellsword twinblades and dual wield
>wait for them to try blocking
>l1 spam them to stamina break and take out their entire health in one spinslash combo
get fucking good scrub
>>335342770
I've had 0 matchmaking problems. I get 1v1s, big matches, and summoned to stop invaders all the time. It's the bull feces that endues after that's bothering me.
>use spear
>want to 2 hand it
>no way to parry if im 2 handing
FUCKING BULLSHIT.
>Using a weapon with a weapon art that punishes panic rolling
SO GOOD
>use katana
>spam running attack
>collect free ember
>>335342840
>still fishing for fucking backstabs
>complains about r1 swordspam
Yeah, you fit about all of the criteria for the genuine no-skill whiny-bitch shitter that makes worthless complaints like this.
Git
Gud
I've been only using my favourite polearm, the lucerne, for my quality build. I am so torn on my sidearm, as I really need fast weapons for the peskier enemies, but I don't know what, I'm also upgrading the pike, since I love that weapon as well, so preferable be something that has thrusting damage.
I used a rapier on my first character (and I had no idea it was so good, still don't think it hold a candle to the estoc), and the straight swords are neat with their stances, but people complain that they are good, so I dunno. Don't like the weapon art for mace, axe, war pick.
I really dunno.
Also, that lucerne weapon art +heavy attack, running light attack, backstep light attack. So sexy
>>335342958
get parried when someone knows how to play. Katana running attack is easiest shit to parry.
>>335342862
You can't parry reliably in this game unlike the previous ones at least not on PC. They somehow fucked up the PC version netcode and parrying became almost impossible unlike on PS4.
I would say parrying in this game is like flipping a coin, if you are lucky you win otherwise you get two-shotted by a triple-buffed estoc.
>>335342898
Why would you even bother doing that when you can accomplish the exact same thing with most swords with r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 (accidental kick)r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1
Did backstabing get harder to pull off? I can't ever seem to get any backstabs now
>>335343117
spot the shitter who does not know how to parry.
>>335342412
>people with their guard broken can be riposted
>kicking is the easiest way to do this to shieldfags
was this always a thing or just in DS3
>>335342958
>invaded uchifaggot after Pontiff
>he tries to spam the running attack but whiffs it every time
>parry him
>alt F4's during the riposte
>immediately invites me to like 20 post-rekt salt groups like 'You're a scrub who needs to git gud'
I'm not even mad, the platinum mad from baddies is a better reward than any item.
>>335342119
>allowing r1 shitters to get close
>>335342929
what were you expecting to do with a 2 handed polearm
>>335342978
Care to try that verbal diarrhea again? No idea what you said.
>>335343204
Once you meet a guy with upgraded greatshield and 40 stamina you will realize that even kicks don't do shit.
>>335342535
Soon, once their disconnect score hits a threshhold its softbun time
if they keep doing it they're perma banned from everything but getting invaded, I think in 2 this same system actually prioritized people under this penalty for invades so they'd get shit on even more.
>>335343270
Dark Sword outranges halberds.
Nice try, though.
>>335343153
Niggers can walk away from your backstab now. It's an actual move, doesn't automatically lock targets in until it lands.
No more instant backstabs during a rolling parade.
>>335343493
I think I've seen that. Using a great axe I find myself doing the horizontal chop like a riposte with it, but it whiffs. I figured I was doing a movement sensitive attack but I wasn't sure.
>>335343117
No, it's still like that on PS4 dude. That's what I'm talking about. You cannot parry consistently. The timing is too precise when you consider the delay the game has, which is bad if you pay attention, worse than Bloodborne in my opinion. Most of the people saying, parry get good, are probably r1 shitters themselves. Actually try consistently parrying guys. It fucking sucks.
>>335343493
>Dueling some guy
>I run off when he gets around behind me
>He does the greataxe backstab animation but I'm not there
>Turn around and get the last hit while he's utterly helpless to stop me
It's so good, man.
>>335342671
>Dark Sword
Disliked and flagged for supporting terrorism.
merc, thief or ass for my dex build?
>>335343356
Yeah, its pretty broken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQOUNx387aM
>>335343731
Ass for early estoc
>>335343731
Warrior, then kill the nudist for his Uchi.
chess meta = pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece, pick up piece, place piece
>>335343356
>>335343867
Even with horse ring?
>>335342119
You need a lot more accidental kicks in there, 90% of combat is that shit, PvP and otherwise it's hilarious at this point rather than frustrating, especially when I see other people doing it too and realize it's not just me.
My only issue is faggots who invade me, see that I fight fair without summons, yet still heal and shield themselves with enemies.
>>335343951
It probably helps, but it will still probably take 2-3 kicks to guard-break Havels Shield +5.
I heard there's a shield with even better stability, but I don't know which one it is.
>>335343951
Dedicating a ring slot to kicking people with greatshields who would likely just spam their dank sword when you get in range anyway.
No one would do this.
>>335343403
I've been shoving my halberd up their asses all day, so it's not helping much.
What's the best starting class for a luck/faith build? Deprived?
I thought thief first but it puts too much in dex and too little in faith as far I see.
why are greatswords so shit, lads?
>>335344057
It's probably the Greatshield of glory or some shit
But that shield slows down stamina regen so
>>335343867
Why does every faggot ever use the Carthus milkring
>>335344060
I would though, there's always a chance. But this guy>>335344057 probably right that it'll take 2-3 kicks.
>>335344114
Deprived is dank for almost any build, granted you can deal with the tougher intro.
>>335344048
It's an invasion, not a duel.
They have one objective: Live longer than you
Also healing gives you the advantage, you should have twice as many Estus as they do.
>>335344151
Because it's also broken, you should try it.
I wear it but I don't roll spam normally, unless I see the other guy with a dank sword or estoc, then I spend the next hour plus, or however long it takes them to alt f4, rolling around in circles completely invincible while these retards chases me desperately trying to get a hit in.
>>335344151
Because it makes you borderline invincible while spam rolling
No joke, the problem with Straight Swords is that, they're like a jab punch in boxing that does the same damage as a hook(halberds/axe/maces), uppercut(curved/greatswords), or haymakers(ultra greatswords).
It stuns every time even if you don't hit the chin of the opponent.
besidess +1 rings what's ng+ offer, so far i'm not noticing a difference, i'm at sl50 the level I finished ng with and now on ng++ and it's as easy as it was on ng
what is this casual garbage i'm playing?
so is ng and ng+...+ connected?
>>335343403
Thanks for admitting you are shit
>>335344114
Deprived is good if you feel like you'll respect later on. If you actually have a solid idea of what you want to be, there are better options.
>>335344048
As much of a proponent of the whole "fair 1v1 duels" thing as I am, invasions are fair game for anything desu. Especially in the current type of matchmaking, where its usually a 1v2 at least.
>>335344245
>>335344253
He said milkring, not bloodring, you stupid faggots
>>335344127
since i finished the game and started NG+ i didn't lose a single pvp, even 1v3 1v2 with my GS
>>335344348
I know what he said you shit eating retard
The rings work in conjunction
Dont correct people when you dont know what the fuck you're talking about
>>335344290
yes
>>335344348
Whoops.
>>335344403
Bad damage control, why would you even try?
>>335344403
>The rings work in conjunction
No they don't, you cockmongling asshole. They're often used together but the effects are not enhanced by having both equipped.
>>335343204
>kicking is the easiest way to do this to shieldfags
Sword arts, man. They can hit from further away and no one ever sees it coming; i see all these straight sword retards but they don't understand how strong their weapon arts are.
>>335343204
>Walk up to shieldfag
>They see that I am not attacking and hit me before I can kick
>Roll away, come back and try to kick again
>They see that I am not attacking and hit me before I can kick
Ad
Fucking
Infinitum
>>335344245
>>335344253
The Milk Ring needs a nerf, or something.
Blood ring comes with the stipulation of making you take more damage while the Milk ring comes with no negative effect whatsoever for its advantage.
When it should do something like substantially increase the cost of rolls to discourage spam rolling.
>>335345236
>Makes you invisible
>Raises dex by 3
>FROM NERF NOW
What? If you're not retarded you should be able to deal with not being able to see them for half a second.
>>335345346
its only a +2 to dex for me
>walk into Irithyll
>suddenly a crocodile dog thing out of fucking nowhere
And I mean literally out of nowhere, it doesn't drop from anywhere, it spawns out of thin air
>>335345550
Pics or it didn't happen
>It has the best matchmaking
How?
>Connection Error
>Connection Error
>3v1
>Connection Error
>one guy who has no idea what he's doing and tries to block everything with his shield.
>Connection Error
>Connection Error
>3v1
Sure is fun.I just want some tongues
Maybe untended graves isn't the best location for invading.
What's a good spot for around sl70?
>>335345608
It's a summon by the boss.
>>335345649
cant do pics atm but i saw like an hour ago it raised my dex from 37 to 39
>>335345608
I thought it dropped from the gate, but I didn't look back while I was walking down the bridge.
Only heard a noise and then that thing stood there
>>335342671
I'm feelin' it
>>335345729
Yeah if you look behind while crossing the bridge it phases into existence
>>335345608
Hated that too, amateur game and enemy design that actually triggered me, that shit belongs in DS2.
>>335345754
Sorry to say but I find sliders hilarious because it looks so dumb
>>335342119
why play a Zelda-like adventure game expecting a complex combat system
>>335345865
>zelda like adventure game
get the fuuuuck outta here
>>335345948
but that's all Souls games are, in the good way
>>335345948
What was wrong with his statement?
>>335345967
>>335346081
In what fucking way are dark souls and zelda games comparable at ALL apart from the fact that you kill stuff and progress to the next level in both of them
It's a REALLY shit comparison.
>Playing pvp in a dark souls game without poise
lol
in b4 retards who don't know the difference between hyper armor and poise
>>335346160
There is no relevant distinguishing factor. Any time you would have needed poise, you should be exploiting hyper armor.
>>335342687
I've been trying but they always fuck up parry in every God damn game so I have to relearn the timing for everything
>>335346143
lock on circle strafe combat with attack attack attack combat with the occasional shield block and backflip/roll away.
The combat is literally the same. Zelda has better designed dungeons and platforming.
Dark Souls has more intense dungeon crawling and spookier atmosphere.
>>335343646
This
>consistently parry in PvE
>know excactly when and where I fucked up if the hit connects
>PvP
>Parry animation timed perfectly with their swing
>It goes through and hits me
This happens 50% of the time. Parrying is unreliable as fuck in PvP.
>>335342671
>summon a phantom for second try on Dancer
>he does this shit and promptly makes boss just follow him without it attacking ever
well that was easy
>>335343153
Backstabs with big weapons seem like a trap. The one handed swing you perform is way too slow to hit anything ever that isn't idle.
Atleast daggers are pretty reliable tho. Greathammers are free stabs, ultra swords, axes and spears a little harder, but they have many unsafe moves. Katanas and small swords are annoying since they swing all over the place all the time, but if they are retarded enough to use weapon arts in close range, you can usually punish it with a stab.
Hyperarmor only poise really makes it that you can't just walk up and stab, you need to rely on rolling just the right distance.
>>335345658
There seems like the dungeon is getting some love lately, I like invading in the demon ruins too, but its just too easy sometimes.
>>335346369
>The combat is literally the same
maybe to someone with a simple mind
>accidental kick
So it's not only me, what the fuck is the matter with the controls?
>It's a "Host and 3 phantoms all R1 you to death with Dark Swords" episode
Kill yourself retard
>>335346771
Why are you replying to me like it's a bad thing?
I enjoy Zelda and Souls combat.
>>335345658
Get a red soapstone if you are not good at handling a ganking party and go to a fightclub ( at s70 would I recommend the balcony after the pontif fight).
>People just say to parry
>Even though the parry detection is based on their end, not yours
>Meaning it can be completely random when to parry depending on latency
And that's why parrying in PVP is completely shit, it needs to be an overruling action based on the person trying to parry.
>>335345658
>untended graves
You dumbass, you get a connection error because they walk through the fog door when you're connecting to their world.
Everyone says the Estoc and Darksword are meme weapons and that they are too op. Nigger if you can't defeat any of them you are nothing else but a shitter.
Literally git gud, all you have to do is parry or use a spear and you win.
Now to what's actually disgusting. Katanafags in their fallen knight armor or some other edgy trenchcoat set piece. They do the fucking quiet resolve emote whenever they win while walking away from my corpse. Can you be more of an edgelord/cringelord?
>Mage build
>Hosts literally just chugging through my attacks because I don't do enough damage
Anyone know if anything special happens if you get to darklink shrine before fighting vordt? Someone was going to try it but I had to leave before they could try it out.
>>335347068
Try not losing then?
>>335347068
They literally do it because it triggers you.
Easier hatemail bait
haven't seen anybody say it has the best pvp, it is probably even worse than demon's souls.
>>335347131
With what? Farron dart? GHSA does like 500 damage already on my incomplete int build.
>>335347131
Chugging is super ridiculous, you can literally backroll and chug after every hit and not die, and there is no way to punish it
>>335347256
500 damage is not enough when they have 1500 HP and Estus for 800
>>335347131
>go cleric since miracles are the only thing I've never used
>end up with pyromancy and sorcery before I ever fucking see an offensive miracle
>they're both pretty shit for damage
>finally find lightning spear after revisiting places
>HERE WE GO
>smash that fuckin' faith button
>80 damage to knights in irithyl
cool
>>335347162
You can't win every fight anon. It usually ends up with them parrying me with their weapon arts parry or they just keep being fuckwits rolling around + stab the entire fight.
>>335347185
I suppose you're right. I've been trying to be an asshole whenever I win but I get no comments or random friend requests. It was fun to play DaS and get that xbox live message, then you truly know you succeeded.
>>335347285
>no way to punish it
>they chug
>throw Lloyds
>estus animation is long enough where they literally CANNOT avoid it
So fucking hard
>in b4 I cant catch them when they just run
Running attacks > Running players
It's pretty great how turning to run just makes you eat hits in the back
Hey so what's the deal with the humanity function in this game? my character seems to be getting more hollow as time progresses and the lil' stone thing by the health bar is getting more cracked. what gives?
>not being a pure caster build and using pyromancies, sorceries, and miracles to fuck shit up
Also where the fuck are hexes, that was the only good thing to come out of the shit that was daso 2
Even though they were also in daso 1
>>335347436
And what is stopping them from running away until the Lloyds runs out in 15 seconds?
Especially if they have phantoms?
>>335345236
Milk ring just obscures your roll, it doesn't add iframes
I can one shot most r1 fags with dragonslayer spear weapon art.
>>335347321
They better fucking rebalance this shit, cast times for any good sorceries are complete trash, Miracles do no damage and WOG has a FOUR second cast time, leaving Pyromancy to be pretty much the only halfway worthwhile magic class, and even then I don't see much use in that either since Warmth is locked behind a covenant reward.
>>335347436
not that guy but I successfully ran from two watchdogs by just dodge rolling when I turned.
And I started sorcerer and didn't put a single point into stamina.
>>335347501
>expects the fight to be dead even between him vs host plus phantoms
ok
>>335347436
>guy rolls away from you and starts chugging
>you throw a lloyd at him
>he rolls away again and starts running
>you run behind him
>this keeps going until the lloyds effect ends
woha
you guys don't understand
there are other legitimate strategies, yes, but r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 is still a very effective strategy in almost all situations
>>335345754
>>335345808
Fun Fact: When you see someone sliding around like that, you're sliding around like that to them. So it's open season on r1 spam during thator massive spells you thought would never hit anyone smart playing
>>335347068
>claims you're a shitter if you lose to the OP meme weapons
>dies to katanas
HHHHEHEHEH YOURE A REAL TOUGH GUY ANON
>>335347549
>not that guy but I successfully ran from two watchdogs by just dodge rolling when I turned.
They're using bad weapons then.
Literally 0 players have been able to run without eating tons of hits from my running R1.
But I use Lucerne andwashing pole
>>335347485
>>335347485
bump this
whaddafuck or send me a link to a simple explanation page, cant find it on the wiki
>>335347436
>getting hit by lloyds
LMAO
>>335347639
So you can catch people running away with literally the best weapon in the game for it, but wonder why everyone else might be having a hard time?
>>335347485
>He took the free levels
point at him and laugh.It's part of one of the endings, but if you didn't take all 5 before he dies you won't get it. And even then, there is more cryptic bullshit you have to do/avoid.
>>335342119
>Start ng+
>Get invaded at high wall by a flame great sword R1 spamming faggot
>Dodge everything and make him bleed with wardens
R1 spam is an easy kill desu.
>invade as mound maker in the area after pontiff sulvayn
>constantly put into fight club worlds
Holy shit, fuck this game
I don't want to play pretend with retarded ass 1v1's against dickwraiths, i want to get fucked by gank squads or cause absolute chaos by fighting every kind of phantom at once
Fight clubs are the most boring thing to ever do in pvp
>>335347681
You accumulate hollowing as long as you have dark sigils in your key items inventory
You can undo hollowing with a purging stone but it is beneficial
You can lose the sigils by giving the firekeeper soul to the firekeeper but then you lose your access to the third ending, at least for that playthrough.
Best place to farm souls before Irithyll?
>>335347485
>>335347681
Those free levels you got from turtle man added an item in your inventory that multiplies hollowing each time you die, you start with 0 so you don't hollow at all until you take one of those levels. To heal it, you need the 20k soul key to get the fire keeper soul and give it to the girl to heal the dark sigils, which cost an equivalent of up to 5 of your next level ups.
>>335342119
I use Farron GS so its L1 for me :^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>335347725
Every katana can do it.
Most Halberds.
Longer straight swords
Many weapon types can do it
>>335347783
backstab the retarded host with hornet ring. 90% of the time he will be sitting on that little platform.
>>335347783
This. I tried summoning people in Central Irithyll just to see what's the hype about having muh honor duels.
It's fucking boring as shit.
>>335347783
Invade in the Grand Archives or Dragon Areas. I'm invading into gank squads 24/7 and it's pretty much the worst shit ever.
I invaded into 3x Estoc/Havel Shield earlier. Memes have gone too far.
>>335347797
wolnir coop maybe?
Farming just seems pointless, but yeah, that or maybe dancer.
>>335347875
>Estoc/Havel Shield earlier. Memes have gone too far
DaS2 meta is already back I see
I have never invaded anyone NOT using a straight sword. None.
There is complete utter stunlocks in DaS 3?
You can't do anything? Not roll or block or parry, nothing until attacker runs out of stamina?
>>335347943
The 10 invasions I did this morning were all Dark Sword or Estoc. It seems that everyone is aware now.
>>335342119
Nah its more like
>Invade, be invaded by, or summon a person
>Oh hey they are a cheater
>Die
>Get off the game
>Come back to it later
>INVALID DATA DETECTED
>5 days later no mater what you do
>BANNED
>Everyone calls you a cheater when you try and get help with it and mods lock your threads
>>335347961
Yes, if you spam the first attack of your combo over and over, it can completely stun lock when done right with some weapons.
>>335347797
high lord wolnir and curse ridden greatwood are easily the most popular for grinding co-op souls, they're puzzle bosses that take like 5 mins each
>>335347961
yeah you'll get stunlocked if you're up against someone with a good enough UGS/GS, farron greatsword is especially annoying
>>335347961
>You can't do anything?
Nope
>>335348000
Then imagine that with 4v1 all using Estocs and Dark Swords.
>>335347637
Atleast I don't make daily threads on /v/ to talk shit about a weapon just because I'm a shitter.
>calling estoc and darksword meme weapons
Looks like we found another shitter.
This is probably you
>hah wow what a little bitch meme weapon user
>I'll show him with my greatsword
>what the fuck is happening, he is stunlocking me!?!?
> -700hp later
>hah he will never predict my desperate attempt at a slow heavy attack
>what?! he just rolled through it and backstabbed me
>dead
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
>tfw i've played played all DS games but never got into invasions.
I really wanna try it out this time around, whats the key to invasions?
I play with heavy weapons.
So how do I git gud at parrying estocs? They only r1 spam after waiting for my attack.
>>335343867
That music makes everything way more funny than it should be.
>>335348187
Try to do it in the beginning of their spam combo. Also, use buckler since it's alot more like DaS parrying.
>>335348187
People say to tank two hits and just hit parry when they do, but I'm assuming that most r1 spammers won't be retarded enough to try it again after getting parried once.
>>335348018
I'm actually worried about playing the game now that this shit has been popping up, guess I just have to keep myself completely unembered until a patch comes out.
>>335344563
>the effects are not enhanced by having both equipped.
They are, retard.
>>335348170
There are essentially two options in DaS3,
1. Run into the largest group of enemies you can find and wait 30 minutes for host and his phantoms to leave the bonfire to find you
2. Try to fight the Host and his phantoms, winning maybe 10-20% of the time.
The other 80-90% of the time will be getting stunlocked to death into gestures, connection failed, or invading a sliding no animation host from China.
>>335348302
THEY AREN'T, RETARD. THE EFFECTS ARE COMPLIMENTARY BUT NEITHER RING RECEIVES A BUFF TO ITS EFFECT AS A RESULT OF BEING EQUIPPED ALONG WITH THE OTHER
>>335348283
Yeah the tank 2 hit only works against literal retard. Against competent tierwhores its more effort on my part to git gud and react to first hit, which theyll never do and just wait for me to swing first while backing away constantly
>Mage is useless
>Sorcery is useless
>Magic does no damage
This meme needs to die.
>>335347961
Yeah, but it only works on the kind of people who blame the game rather than themselves when they die.
>>335342119
So since UGS overcomes the threat of thrusting, ss, and parries, is it the only reliably perfect pvp approach?
So I'm level 70 with 25/25 str/dex. Should I reroll?
>>335348187
pull an obvious whiff and then parry, most bad estoc/katana/dark sword memers fall for it almost all the time
>>335348446
Not if estocfags interrupt your wind up before you can hyperarmor
>>335348431
>LOOK MA I POSTED IT AGAIN
>WHY WON'T THEY ADMIT THAT SORCERY IS DECENT FOR THIS ONE SPECIFIC THING
>>335348431
>Mage is useless
>said literally no one
just not the meta atm, mages can fuck shit up in invasions.
What happens when two estoc users face off?
>>335348431
Being useful with a 50+ point investment isn't good though
>>335348431
>PvE
Even then, it's still really underwhelming in PvE compared to the previous games.
And before you post the webm, no, sniping the host with soul stream and an obscuring ring does not make magic good.
>>335348431
>all stamina
>that amount of FP
>that channel time
Magic still sucks
>>335348431
what level is that? Must be like 80-90. Before that magic is worthless
>>335348560
you just trade, i have one on switch for such occasions
>the host is dual wielding estoc and dark sword
>2 swings from my Heavy Great Axe +5 only deals 1/8 of his hp
I jusr cant git gud at parrying the first poke on reaction meanwhile they can spam it all day without effort...
>>335348487
They only need to fail once and they're dead.
>>335348283
They have said "we are looking into it." Its been confiermed that you will be banned for
>Playing with a cheater in any way
>Crashing to often
>Progressing to far in offline mode then getting back online
Unconfirmed but reported by users
>Beating the dancer out of sequence
>Picking up leveled boss weapons of bosses you haven defeated when another player drops it
Their system is crazy sensitive. The "Invalid data detected. Please remove all invalid data" warning is also an account flag. Even if you completely remove DS3 from your computer and reinstall it the warning will be there. There have been many players that did that and got banned for still playing. If you get the warning stop playing period and hope for the best and that it will go away in a months time. If you play even after a fresh install. you WILL be banned.
>>335348442
Are you implying getting hit even once means you haven't gotten good? Because that's all that's needed to get stunlocked.
That just doesn't sound realistic at all if so.
>>335348568
Can someone please explain to me why magic takes stamina to cast?
>>335348431
I heard it was alright later on, how much int is that? I'm making a caster right now and I've got dusk crown and young dragon/sage's ring right now but that's as far as I've gotten, my magic does alright enough but not that good.
Also is it worth making your stave and shield into simple infusion so you can go on easier as a full mage?
>>335348593
Yeah, but how does one side win? Is it just down to who has the better DPS and defense?
Parry shield is king. I take back what I said.
>>335348658
It's like 60+ doesn't fucking bother
HERE'S HOW TO DEFEAT SWORDS AND ESTOCS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MR6G0spCNA&spfreload=5
>>335348601
>whiff a parry
>get poked for 3/4 of your HP
the worst feel
Am I the only person using a Heavy Spiked Mace?
>>335342119
At least longsword isn't the god sword like it was in DaS2/1. Now we have broadsword AND longsword. What an improvement.
>>335346565
>if I get summoned my rural Arkansas internet won't typically let bosses do anything
>think this is unfun but oh well sometimes it works and I can enjoy it
>remember people aren't summoning for a good time but to win
>realize being invincible against all bosses who have endless openings is a pramatic blessing
>accept my role as a summoned boss counter and start cheesing everything with terrible weapons
>know some poor guy will be genuinely surprised I essentially soloed a superpowered Champion Gundyr with a pitchfork and took no damage in a sub 2 minute fight
The illusion of beinfg skilled is its own reward.
>>335348601
>Host is blatantly fishing for parries
>Almost kill him 5 times
>Keeps running away to heal
>Eventually lands a parry
>Hornet Ring
K I L L M E
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>>335348634
MGIC IS OF THE LIVING AND THE DED
>>335348689
Which one?
Target shield or is there another?
>>335348668
whoever starts trading with the most hp wins
>>335348770
He did though
Speaking of parrying, has there been ANY info at all about parry frames? Like is it worth trying to parry with something like Farron Greatsword or Parry Dagger over something like a Target shield/medium shields?
I kind of want to try the FGS if parrying is as good as it was in DS2.
>>335348690
I might still keep trying to level it, maybe play it as a purely PVE character and keep going, but builds sure do feel like shit in this game all around except Estoc/Dark sword 27vig no magic final destination.
>>335348625
>Progressing to far in offline mode then getting back online
>Beating the dancer out of sequence
>Picking up leveled boss weapons of bosses you haven defeated when another player drops it
I can maybe see the last one, but that should be blocked by the restrictions on their end, and the other two are completely unacceptable.
>You killed Dancer before Vordt? Must be hacking
>>335349028
>you bear Oceiros and Nameless King SL1 before Vordt? Must be hacking!
RIP all those players who got gud and did sl1 runs out of sequence
>>335348487
>swinging after they're close
Swing on their approach bro, scrubs can't comprehend frames.
They're convinced that if they have even half your swing left they can still poke, then get crushed for 50%hp cause dump dex.
Give it a shot.
>>335349146
What if they keep turtling away backing up waiting for me to swing?
>>335348770
Literally me
>>335349146
This works until you run into someone with an Estoc or Katana who knows that they have no reason to attack until you do.
You'll never hit them if they focus on dodging, and they can just punish the end of your animation.
>>335349028
That's why the last two are unconfirmed. We haven't had anyone test them and confirm them. Those reason have just been reported. The biggest problem is we dont know whose a real cheater and who is someone caught in the cross fire so we have to try and check everything which requires people to risk their accounts.
The first three have absolutely been confirmed. Playing with a cheater is the number one reported reason and we have like 5 different people that tested it and said they got the warning right after playing with a cheater.
>>335349207
You're kind of a dick.
>>335349224
Katanas aren't nearly as bad as estoc or dark sword
Fuck off with your meme hate
>>335348431
I faith build wrecked those guys in less FP than that. But that doesn't make it good
>>335349207
>use tears of denial so that i can never be one-shot with the hornet meme ring
but hornet parries are the worst thing in this game right now. it's a pretty viable tactic to just stand still and try to parry every single attack from your opponent. in fact, if it's a fight with estus, it's the best tactic. really fucking stupid too bee aych
>>335342584
If you are one of those people that complains about bs fishing in ds1, im afraid that you've always just been bad.
Ds1 probably demands the most skill out of all 3 od them when it comes to pvp
>>335347783
then jump off a cliff instead of crying like a bitch
you fucking retard
>>335349247
>>335349359
I don't see what the problem is when you're in 2v1s or 3v1s, the host is chugging estus, and everyone is mashing R1. Your only chance is to chip the host down and then try to one shot him with a parry.
>>335348770
Parry spammers are easy. They're adhd retards who have no patience. Just fuck with them long enough and they get frustrated and give up.
>roll away for about two minutes
>at times instead of backing up between rolls step forward a bit then roll back
>get steadily more brave
>when you finally get close don't attack, keep rolling
>at some random point throw a single bomb (no knives)
>continue rolling until they start swinging rabidly trying to catch you
>pick your poison, either crush their dick into the dirty or parry back when you know it's coming
>if attacking, no more than 1 hit at a time
>go back to rolling
>roll, roll, roll
>wait out their patience
>bombs to antagonize them
>another hit
>repeat until dc or victory
Parry spammers are innately assured of their victory before they meet you. They will assume since they are inherently better than you that their own attacks are unpunishable and each knick you land and each drink they chug will drive them further into r1 spamming rage.
This is 100% applicable for every parry spammer I have met yet and have not died to a single one. The vast majority dc when losing though, so don't anticipate a proper victory. They think they're stealing it from you because you don't deserve it in their eyes.
There is no faggotry you cannot overcome with a level head and a reliable plan, outside of spawning into a gangbang camping your summon.
Things that need to be changed to make PvE/PvP both balanced
>Nerf the attack speed of Rapiers (mainly Estoc) and reduce the poise damage
>Nerf the attack speed of Straightswords and reduce the poise damage, slight damage nerf would be fine too
>Increase the stamina cost of Rapiers, Straightswords and Katanas to prevent the R1 spam
>Buff the tracking of all spells, slight damage buff to Sorcery/Miracles at early level, reduce the stamina cost of every spell.
>Buff every AoE spell, 90% of AoE spells are absolute garbage atm
>Greatshields need some stabilty nerfs, they are hidden overpowered currently
>Buffs to Dagger weapon class, Fist Weapons, Halberds, Crossbows, Whips and Hammers.
Here both PvE and PvP is saved.
Here both PvE and PvP is saved.
>>335349202
Outwait them. They're arrogant dicks who are counting on your autistic rage to win.
If they won't come to your safety zone, don't leave it. Frustrate them with items or something until they get aggressive.
>>335346369
There are literally zero puzzles and utility equipment (hookshot etc, you know the stuff that IS zelda games) in souls what the fuck are you smoking
>>335349734
Have you even swung a katana? They cost plenty of stamina to R1. Fuck off.
>>335347321
What did you expect? Lightning spear was only good in 1. They nerfed offensive miracles in 2. The only good one in 3 is the dark one you get from the crazy fat lady in irithyll.
>>335349734
>>>Increase the stamina cost of Rapiers, Straightswords and Katanas to prevent the R1 spam
katanas are pretty mediocre outside that one running attack. they don't have the insane counter damage thing they had in dark souls 2 so now they're just slower straight swords with a better running attack desu
>>335342119
>people say DaS3 has good pvp
>its always laaging
Do you guys never played good pvp games?
>>335347783
Wait until two get low and bomb or aoe them. For added fun, do it to the last two besides the host before massacring him.
>>335350040
>>>people say DaS3 has good pvp
no one has said that
if you want to play a dark souls game with good pvp, play dark souls 2
people will have opinions about this but imo it's the only dark souls game that seems to be balanced and mechanically designed around pvp
>>335350040
They're just fanatics, ignore them.
It's enjoyable when you meet someone with good conn but typically a shitfest of lagboxes hitting you ten feet from phantoms swinging at nothing.
>>335348625
what the fuck are these nips thinking
>>335350476
item descriptions, mostly
So can we all agree that Dark Souls 2 had better PvP?
>>335349242
i dropped yhorms machete for a friend and he dropped it to my alt. haven't gotten the warning yet. but obviously, that means nothing since fromsoft's system is entirely random.
i don't doubt that it can get you banned but i'm guessing the chance of getting banned for something like that is exceedingly small and it's more likely that the system detected something else equally stupid and irrelevant instead
>>335350476
They dont care about cheaters but get a lot of flack from the west about cheaters. So they made their own anti cheat system they thought would shut us up. The problem is when someone who doesn't care about a problem "fix's" that problem they normally only fucking it up more.
They even said the whole system is automated and they will never reverse bans it hands out because they want to leave it all automated.
>>335350615
yeah i kinda wanna play it again. should i get softs now or am i better off with the vanilla game if i want to pvp? i don't really care about the dlcs and i already have 2 of them.
softs is like 40 fucking yurobucks so i'd rather not buy it
>Playing souls games for the pvp
>Doing pvp in souls games at all
>>335344230
>get invaded at the end of a level after lots of exploring as I'm heading back to the bonfire
>20% hp and no estus left
This should not be possible
>>335350784
Softs for pvp/co-op. Vanilla is dead.
>>335350707
That is another problem. Some are easy to test. Play with a cheater? Log out right after and wait a day or two to see if you get the message.
Others not so much and even then we have had cheaters flaunt the fact that they cheat and haven't gotten banned. One guy for a week straight uploaded videos of him looking in activating cheats and playing with no warning or ban or anything.
From really should have just went with a "report player" system.
>>335342119
PvP is good if you go to the PvP arena in Anor Londo just outside of where you kill Pontif.
Does high Hollowing affect my ability to be summoned?
>>335350801
i agree for arena and autismo 1v1 pvp mostly but it was fucking great progressing in dark souls 2 in ng+ with a shitload of sin. bluecops were constantly hunting me down and every encounter was different. it was like playing GTA story mode and the cops were other players
>>335350868
shit
is there a list of new stuff in softs?
>>335350948
No, nothing effects your ability to be summoned.
>>335349734
>Buff Halberds
Yeah, no. They're already good.
>>335345754
>>335345808
>implying sliders are a bug
Vaati explained it. Read up on the lore you idiots.
>>335350962
>list of new stuff in softs?
actually no need to spoonfeed me i can google
>>335349734
>Not buffing miracles and faith scaling specifically
Come on, faith cant be shit every fucking time.
>>335342567
its instant this time around
>>335351184
>Vaati
Nice b8 frogposter
>>335349734
>Nerf the attack speed of Rapiers (mainly Estoc) and reduce the poise damage
The attack speed isn't the problem it is the poise. They stagger and stunlock way to easy. Even ultra greatswords don't stagger or stunlock you as bad as rapiers do.
>>335343117
you can spam parry
So which attacks can and cannot be parried?
>>335347961
No you get stunlock protection after the second hit so you can roll away or parry, you only get completely stunlocked until they run out of stamina if you're some kind of mentally disabled spastic and you try to spam R1 while being stunlocked.
