Why can't these faggots walk?
i think its implied that the older brother used to be a fucking hero but once he succumbed to the curse (going hollow) hes become crippled. The younger brother was just born a frail wimp.
>>335324409
Doujins where?
>>335324620
He's not hollow at all. It's just a debilitating curse.
>>335324620
no the curse in this case was lothric's. presumably lorian lessened the burden on his brother by taking some of it on himself
>>335325194
soon
I think these guys are probably in my top 5 soulsborne bosses.
Music is top tier
Fight is challenging
Visually unique
And to top it off if you die the little brother talks shit to you.
I love this fucking boss.
>>335327703
>Fight is challenging
everything is telegraphed as fuck
>>335327803
Well challenging in the sense that its a DS3 boss, everything being overly telegraphed is par for the course.
I probably had more trouble with him because I was using the bastard sword which apparently was hella gimped.
Also note that Lorian's crown seems to have an indentation that would go inside of someone's skull.
>>335324409
I felt like it was a 'didn't want to grow up' kind of thing.
Why was Lothric being groomed for King when Lorian was the elder?
>>335325275
The younger brother is hollow.
The older brother is binded to him, giving him the same afflictions.
Inbreeding is a real motherfucker.
>>335324409
It's pretty funny how in the Souls games we always fight these old heros in their weakest stat.
Like example if you had to fight the fucking Abyss Watchers in their prime you would be dead in seconds.
2 of them and one crazed one attacking them is hard enough for the Ashen One.
Imagine fighting like 50 of them all working together
lol wat a ez boss
Do I have to run through that gauntlet every time I go to fight them? I didn't see a path to open up
>>335330392
you can sprint through all the enemies pretty easily, it's not that bad
>>335324620
Neither of them are hollow.
>>335330392
Before you get to the hallway to the right is an elevator.
>>335330056
Great for farming sunlight medals though. Its funny as fuck when a host has 3 summons, the windy sword, and Siegward to help. He literally can't do a thing and dies in a minute.
>>335324409
When walk when you can teleport behind people?
>>335330392
There's an elevator on the right (right being when facing the door way)
>>335329813
Not strictly true. Your probably fighting Aldrich at his highest, he has just consumed just about hlaf the relevant figures from DS1 and is ready to slap some shit. Yhorm dosn't seem particulary weakened, although the game does hand you his kryptonite. You hit the nail on the head with abysswatchers though, but it always seemed most prominent with gwyn and notorious to me. Fighting gwyn as a burnt out husk was some shit.
>>335328796
Don't pay too much attention to the lore in these games. DaS1 was the closest to consistent and sensible.
Just tell yourself it was cycles or time is convoluted in Lordran something
>>335329813
I imagine that if the Abyss Watchers were in their prime they would take responsibility and sit on their throne like the midget did.
You do fight a lot of bosses in their prime though. Seathe, Manus, Biggie and Smalls, and a lot others.
>>335330696
>implying Aldritch isn't like a Snake that just fed
He was half devouring Gwyndolin before the Unkindled ran into him.
>>335328796
For whatever reason Lorian was unfit to be a Lord of Cinder. Lothric was prophesied to be one and it turned out to be true, though this might just be thanks to their intertwined souls.
>>335329813
That was mainly 1. Dark Souls 3 has Aldritch, Sulyvahn at the height of their power, while Yhorm, Dancer, Vordt, Ancient Wyvern, Nameless King, Consumed King, Soul of Cinder, Deacons, Sage, Dragonslayer Armour and Wolnir are all "as normal". In fact Abyss Watchers and Lorian are really the only two that the game states are weaker when you fight them.
>>335330696
I like to believe Aldritch is gonna become the Old One after he devoured everything with power.
>>335331320
>For whatever reason Lorian was unfit to be a Lord of Cinder
Lothric wasn't prophesied for shit, he just HAD to be king and a Lord of Cinder, because he was last of his line. His fucking items are full of how much they tried grooming a perfect heir, and always fucked up. Lorian could have been the one, but he gave it up to help Lothric with his curse, which is what crippled him.
>>335331103
Seathe was completely mad by the time you fight him, and Ornstein and Smough had been left in the Cathedral for almost a thousand years and probably weren't at their best, at least Ornstein.
Manus is also said to have been driven mad, but there's no comparison to his peak like with Seathe.
Other guys at their prime were Artorias, infused with the power of the Abyss, the various demons since 3 states their only weakened after the Bed of Chaos was destroyed and surprisingly Pinwheel, since it just stole Nitos Rite of Kindling. Imagine how pathetic he would have been otherwise.
>>335331412
Aldrich is literally a slug that can't move from place to place on its own. They literally had to move him and stuff him in the Cathedral of the Deep once he assumed that form. He only managed to devour "gods" (all 1 of them), because Pontiff and his army backed him up, and stuffed him in a room with a sick/weakened Gwyndolin.
>>335331853
>All 1 of them
Are you sure? If you look at his ass you see parts of Nito in it with Skeletons and that Hair shit that Nito dresses in.
>>335331927
Nito is canonically dead thousands of years before Aldrich was born, otherwise the Chosen Undead wouldn't have been able to link the fire, which he canonically did.
>>335331853
Sounds like the old one
>>335331768
>Seathe was completely mad by the time you fight him
Why would that make him weaker, or less dangerous.
>>335331768
Well Seathe had the whole immortality thing going on so there is that. Just because some bosses are looney doesn't mean they are any less dangerous than before. I'd say Seathe is even more dangerous than when the dragon war was fought because he has crystal magic when you fight him.
There are other bosses too that are in there prime in DaS: 4kids, Queelag, Iron Golem, Sif, you can fight Kalameet without the arrow in his wing (albeit in a very cheesy way), and probably some others too
>>335331724
It says very clearly on his robes he was. The royal line was never able to naturally produce an heir worthy of the title until they found a way to produce an heir, which was Lothric. His prayer robes specifically say that he is the son of prophecy and was groomed from birth to be a Lord of Cinder, but this is only after the royal family went through extreme measures to ensure he would be.
So yeah it's probably just fancy jargon but the point stands that no one was capable until Lothric.
>>335331990
The Old One was a force of nature that erased existence simply by being awake. Aldrich was a random Cleric who ate men, turned into a slug monster, linked the fire, and then had a pope feed him a sick god.
Because I walked into the room and the bitch knows his place.
>>335332158
RIP best video game trap
>>335331985
Unless you got some source, all that canon is bullshit. The game itself doesnt matter since Ornstein and Smough are also supposed to be killed by the player but are known to have not died elsewhere.
>>335331985
Then explain ornstien.
I always thought that every boss, npc, and player got their own parallel universe in which they're free to continue their shit and what we see is an amalgamation of the most important events. Time and space being convoluted and all
>>335332117
>Until
Lothric wasn't capable you retard, he was born a frail cripple to the disappointment of everyone. The line failed, that's the fucking point. His sword says he was meant to wield it, but he couldn't, and such things will always remain a dream. You seem to be mixing the brothers up. Lothric was a failure from birth, regardless of prophecy, whereas Lorian was at least a proper candidate before he crippled himself to ease his brother's burden.
>Level 96 and haven't gotten to the Princes yet.
Maybe using the shield of want and the silver serpent ring 100% of the time was a bad idea.
>>335331853
>>335331927
where do you guys think he got that scythe from?by eating Priscilla
>>335332363
Lothric being ill and sickly is mentioned in the robes too you fucking idiot, read the description. In spite of his state he was still capable of being a Lord of Cinder which he is. It's never stated he was a disappointment, just the opposite that in spite of his sad state he was still expected to link the flame.
>>335332438
n-no
>>335332325
Explain what? Gwyndolin was shown to be fully capable of making illusions. Otherwise you can just consider it a retcon, because DaS 3 clearly states Smough was the only one left to guard Anor Londo.
>>335332325
What about Ornstein?
>>335332438
The blade looks more like Nito's blade than the life hunt scythe.
>>335332438
He fashioned the scythe from his dream about a girl as he slowly devoured the god of the dark moon. Read the god damn fucking items. He dreamed about devouring her, but he couldn't possibly even know who or where she was.
>>335332438
Miracle of Aldrich, Devourer of Gods.
Steals HP of foes using an illusory scythe.
Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding.
Notice the word "illusory"? It's not the real Lifehunt scythe.
>>335332641
>Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding.
the item desc. says nothing about him making the scythe in his dream you fucking goon
>>335332616
the look nearly identical pic related
>>335332871
doesnt matter if it is real or not
the fact that he even has the illusion is a huge tell
In the case of lore not matching the events of DaS, I'm thinking that its just a case of unreliable narrator. Like its been so long that the events are put together by people who would never have known about the true events.
Like one item description says that Big Hat Logan met Seathe. Sure he met Seathe but Seathe blasted his ass and had him locked up. The description seems to imply that Seathe didn't try to kill and lock away Logan but we obviously saw it happen in DaS.
As far as I care, all the events from 1 are absolute truth and everything that suggests something different from what we experienced in 1 is not the entire truth.
>>335331985
DS2 established that Lord Souls regenerate over time, unless of course, they're devoured I suppose.
>>335331768
dude, artorias is hunched over with a broken arm the whole fight. I had always assumed from his stance that the abyss was weakening him, not being infused with it's power.
>>335333141
Artorias buffs himself multiple times during the fight with the Abyss. It wasn't weakening him.
>>335332412
Eh, I think you are fine. I ended the game at 91 but bought out literally all the armor from the hand maiden, so that could have been another 15 levels probably. I feel like if you kill all the enemies they put in front of you and don't lose your souls from dying 2x you are bound to end up there in levels.
>>335329521
Neither of them are Hollow you idiot.
>>335333063
>says nothing about him making the scythe in his dream you fucking goon
kek if you want to pull this logic then it says nothing about him devouring Pricilla or taking her scythe either.
You're making just as many assumptions yet you claim yours is more true than theirs.
They're leg disabled.
>>335333206
Are you new to the common concept of a dark power? The buffs are short term, and he's clearly showing the long term effects of it.
>>335333063
You have yet to spout a single claim that isn't wild conjecture pulled from your ass. HE HAS FIRE, HE MUST HAVE EATEN GWYN!
>>335333316
We will never know Priscilla's true fateuntil the Painter World VN DLC comes out.
>>335325554
More pls
>>335333063
Miracles are stories. Aldrich used the story of his dream to create his miracle copy of the scythe.
>>335333063
They in fact do not. Notice his blade is thicker and straighter, more like Nito's sword and very much less sytche-like.
Why did Abyss watchers kill each other
>>335333063
Miracles are literally magical stories, he made it from a dream he had while eating Gwyndolin. Gwyndolin naturally had knowledge of Pris, he was absorbing his memories.
>>335333527
I'm guessing some got corrupted by the abyss. Thats why the red eye ones target you or the other watchers.
>>335332363
>Lothric was an incapable disappointment to everyone
Literally the exact opposite.
>>335332412
I don't think anyone knows what the meta for each area is supposed to be right now. I'm 35 with a +5 weapon and I just beat Champion Gundyr, but that's partially because I like staying low so I can co-op with lowbies.
>>335332310
Smough died at Anor Londo.
Ornstien is an illusion of Gwyndolin. Its indicated by Smoughs armor description saying he was the only knight that stayed.
>>335333642
>Lords of Cinder are destined from birth
What fucking sense does that make in the lore?
>>335333208
What, I was doing everything properly in my first run and it ended up with SL60
>>335333723
If Ornstein is an illusion how does he grant souls and drop his own soul unlike other illusions like Gwynevere?
>>335333790
>born with a lord soul
All that matters
>>335333527
>>335333609
Wolf blood dried, they hollowed. Not all of them, just some, which is why only the red eye ones attack each other.
>>335333642
>Holy King Lothric
>Last Hope of his line
Gee, I wonder why they would cherish him, even though he was born a frail piece of shit? He was "last hope of his line" before he was even born. They literally went all in on him, he's valued not, because of deeds, but because of necessity. Notice the "king Lothric"? That was the expectation, but what we met was a "prince" Lothric.
>>335333827
If the giant soldiers were illusions how could they kill you, drop their stuff for you to use or give you souls?
>>335333827
Its not canon. Its Canon to kill Ornstien first.
>>335333827
Separation of game mechanics and lore you god damn autist. HURR IF IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD, WHY DO THEY SPEAK ENGLISH?
>>335333904
Well what's your explanation? When you kill Gwyndolin all that shit disappears for good.
>>335333481
Pretty sure he has a separate scythe animation ass well, granted you can kill a lot of the bosses in DS3 without seeing their whole move set.
>>335333829
Lord's of Cinder are considered those who linked the flame.
>mfw second part of the soul of cinder fight
never thought i could get emotional over a videogame
>>335334089
No they aren't
>>335334089
Then how could Lothric be a Lord of Cinder, if he refused to link the flame?
Everyone hoped he would be, but he fucked off to watch the world end instead.
>>335333858
>Gee, I wonder why they would cherish him, even though he was born a frail piece of shit?
He was the result of genetic breeding for the perfect heir. Its ripped basically from A Song of Ice and Fire, where the Dragon family wants the perfect heir to bring upon peace but just keep inbreeding to untaint the blood.
His claws and disease basically point to him being Dragon-kin.
>>335333904
Lots of other lore has illusions that if powerful enough are just as good as the real thing.
Illusion sword hits you, you think its so real that it kills you.
Sorta like the Matrix.
>>335334089
Considering Price Lothric never linked the flame but is still a Lord of Cinder you are wrong.
>>335332280
>tfw I'll never be a blade of the darkmoon and get "rewarded" by Gwyndolin
>>335333858
Posturing will get you no where, fact is you're wrong. He was cherished by his family and is a lord of cinder, his pitiful state was irrelevant and that in spite of this he has tremendous magical power. He rejected the linking of the fire and the title of king and went to live with his brother to watch the coming age of darkness.
>>335333206
hear me out; You can see by the lurching swings that he's less using any modicum of dexterity or finesse and instead just throwing his weight around. Any sword training he had (as we know his normal set up was sword and board) is not being put to full use here.
The Artorias that the Chosen Undead fights is not using his equipment or regular fighting style, so he is not in the prime he was in while in the Dragon war, regardless of whatever abyss magic is enchanting him.
That said, The first buff looks like the abyss magic is closing in on him and swirling faster until he cries out in response. I think it's trying to kill him, like an aggressive curse.
Even if the dark magic is enchanting him and powering him up in some way, he's probably not at the 100% he would be if he was fighting intelligently.
>>335334141
>>335334156
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Lord+of+Cinder
>>335334156
I'm confused. The world obviously didn't end so then is Dark Souls 3 an alternate universe?
>>335334156
Becauze the Lords of Cinder are just the destined. Only Ludleth aftually linked it
>>335328796
This may be a stretc, but doesn't Japan have some thing with reversing who is the elder, when it's siblings? Or is that just twins?
>>335334176
What is an illusion anon? It's just a lie.A LIE.WILL REMAIN.A LIE
>>335333790
>>335334089
Lore has changed.
>>335334228
Time is not linear in Lothric
>>335327703
I agree. Probably my second favorite boss of the game, behind Abyss Watchers.
>>335334210
>you claim lords of cinder are those who linked the flame
>but this is untrue because lothric did not link the flame and he is a lord of cinder
>so you link a page showing all the lords of cinder, and lothric is one of them
Thanks for proving my point, I guess?
>>335334315
It clearly is or else there wouldn't be "ages".
>>335334198
>you'll never kill dickwraiths that are bullying Gwyndolin
>He'll never let you fuck his boypussy in return
>>335334373
>Lore
>Solaire of Astora, a Lord of Cinder: It is very likely that Solaire is/was a Lord of Cinder. This is because Lord's of Cinder are considered those who linked the flame, and Hidetaka Miyazaki stated that in the case that Solaire is kept alive throughout the game, he goes on to link the flame in his own world, effectively making him a Lord of Cinder.
Thanks for being an idiot, I guess?
>>335334210
That paragraph at the bottom is complete fucking fan wank, made by someone who doesn't understand the lore.
>>335334391
Its the driving principle for the white soap stones working as well as the constant visions of phantoms.
And the looping ages it comes off as more of a spiral.
>>335334210
>it calls bearer of the curse a lord of cinder
>Dark souls 2 you dont link the flame
>>335334373
It never says though that you need to link the fire to be one.
>>335334210
>>335334089
Lords of the Cinder are those with the potential and strength to link the flame.
Lothric never linked the flame but is still considered a lord. Aldrich never linked the flame either, but is considered a lord simply because of how mighty he is.
>>335334208
Well Artorias was also flipping around a lot during the fight too. Its hard to say where he stands when you fight him. Obviously if he had his shield he'd be a force to be reckoned with though.
>>335334487
Ok, but how does that disprove the point that you can be a Lord of Cinder and not link the flame?
Do you actually have an argument here?
This is some Mass Effect tier shit but i guess it's okay when From does it. Do you remember that part in ME where
>a major character dies
>next game
>character appears again
>lol you may think i'm supposed to be dead
>but lemaoh im not
>>335333723
>smough
>knight
He never could become a knight due to him liking human flesh a little too much. Dark Souls 3 can't be canon since it conflicts too much.
>>335324409
Shattered assholes from too much incestual butt sex
>>335334475
>He'll never let you fuck his boypussy in return
shit, that's not the only thing I want as a reward
>you'll never drink his "hidden blessing" straight from his boyclit
>>335334521
Ah so then nothing matters lore wise? Good to know. So basically we can make up our own lore or is that the point?
>>335333790
Judging from other items and dialogue it's known that you basically just need the power and potential to be considered a lord of cinder.
>want to do pyromancy
>the one skill I want has a 25 fucking intelligence investment
>know ill be gimped as fuck for everything else
Why did they ruin magic? Did they really think the mana system would make it OP?
>>335334391
Artorias is a great example of this given that he is dead in the main game to the point sif is using his sword, but then he is alive in the DLC.
>>335331768
Isn't it sort of confirmed that Ornstein isn't actually there in DaS, and is merely an illusion? DaS3 sort of co firms that he fucked off to find sensei Flan. Fits in with this theme of faithful knights giving everything to serve their liege lord. Like wossisname, with the bell hammer in das2.
>>335334046
Nope, not canon. Inconsistent.
>>335334674
I always have felt the lore in dark souls is like a negative space painting, so, yeah, sorta?
>>335334686
The DLC takes place in the past dummy.
>>335334558
Well ok. Regardless of whether or not they linked the fire themselves, they are still part of their own mini-cycle, as stated in the opening video. When the fire fades, the bell tolls. This wakes the Lords of Cinder from death, and they return to their thrones to kindle the fire.
When the Lords of Cinder refuse to do this, an Unkindled is awakened to fetch the lords, dead or alive. Lothric and Lorian, like the rest, have been there several times before and burned in those seats. Although this time, only Ludleth the Exiled returned willingly.
>>335331768
Is Gwyndolin's power being weakened the approaching end to the age of fire?
>>335334686
He is only alive in the DLC because you get pulled back in time to the point where he was alive
>>335334487
Where is the evidence that you have to link the flame to be a Lord of Cinder? That 'article' has literally no evidence to back that assertion up.
>>335334773
Exactly, time is full of holes and shit, to the point that some zones are possible futures and others doors into the past.
>>335334861
Making up our own lore I see? Good work keep it going.
>>335334558
This, there was even a line of dialouge that ridiculed him for being JUST powerful because he ate other strong souls
>>335334917
Dark souls dark and light cycles are literally The Last Question by Isaac Asimov.
Shits falling apart on every souls game, even time to the point you are PULLED INTO THE PAST.
>>335334609
There is no actual Lore in Dark Souls. Its all just filler for Myazaki childhood obsessions. He picks and chooses what makes it into the game at random.
>>335334778
When you link the fire you're supposed to die, which is why they're brought back from death. Lorian and Lothric are absent from this and it's revealed in game as a sort of plot twist. It's likely that Lothric was supposed to link the flame right now in this time line but refused. He didnt do it before, he was meant to do it now, which is why everything is all fucked up.
While we're on topic, what the fuck is up with Untended Graves? Is it what Age of Dark looks like? Is it a parallel universe of Cemetery of Ash, sent back in time/the future, or what?
>>335334834
Ludleth says linking the flame made him a lord of cinder.
Hawkwood tells you that the lord of cinders are those who have linked the flame.
The final boss, a combination of all of those who have previously linked the fire before, is called Soul of CINDER.
So where is Solaire supposed to be from if his world is different then yours, according to the idea that he relinked his own version of the first flame.
>>335327703
>And to top it off if you die the little brother talks shit to you.
What does he say?
I beat them on first try.
>>335335041
see
>>335334917
and
>>335334315
In other words, no one has a fucking clue
>>335334674
>>335334762
>People struggle with Role Playing Elements in an ACTION RPG
Gay
>>335334558
Pretty sure Aldrich did at some point. He is one of the people revealed as being brought back from the dead by linking the fire. Not only this but he shares the same feature as other lords of cinder that linked the fire, that they burst into flames part way through the battle as a sign of their linking.
>>335335048
Hawkwood doesnt say anything like that. He does say that Aldrich was made a Lord based on his strength alone though
>>335335035
ok, where do the unkindled fit into all of this? What makes them different from other undead? Why do they only hollow when they obtain dark sigils? And what happened to "humanity" (the item and resource).
>>335335041
It is the real firelink shrine.
Except consumed by the abyss. Which is why someone/something recreated the current one you see and why it is geologically unaccessable from the rest of the map.
So what's the deal with Aldrich?
Was he done eating Gwyndolin or was he still eating him when you walk in on his vore time?
Was he planning to eat the qt Darkmoon girl next?
>>335335041
Hard to say what the deal with the Graves is. I'm pretty sure its in the Abyss but what that might mean, I have no idea yet.
>>335335058
Same world, different time periods.
>>335335153
Anyone with a Darksign was brought back.
Hawkwood was brought back too.
>>335335058
Shut the fuck up, don't even bring up this fanfiction bullshit.
>>335324409
youre a boy molesting fruit
roll roll attack
>>335335164
One of the very first dialogues with Hawkwood is him being depressed saying shit like "And they believe we should face those who would link the flame!? We haven't got a chance. I pity the soul that tries."
>>335335048
And how do you justify the fact that Lothric is a Lord of Cinder when he outright refused to link the flame?
It's much more sensible to accept the idea that every person who linked the flame is a Lord of Cinder, but not every Lord is someone who linked the flame.
>>335335197
No, its an alternate reality firelink where the flame goes out.
Its why everything is exactly the same, right down to the etchings in the thrones, but yu can buy the Abysswalker armor.
>>335335119
He does it in a sort of nice way.
>This place marks our grave, but you may rest here too if you like.
>>335335208
>Was he planning to eat the qt Darkmoon girl next?
I don't think anyone even knows she exists anymore.
>>335331853
>stuffed him in a room with a sick/weakened Gwyndolin
Doujin where
>>335335164
Yes he does. Something about "oh gee golly wizz, these guys are people who had the mettle to link the flame and we can't possibly kill them".
You are a fucking idiot.
>>335335262
who WOULD link the flame
who WOULD
as in they're SUPPOSED TO IN THE FUTURE
because they have souls powerful enough to be used as kindling for the first flame
This explains the line "aldrich was made a lord of cinder not for his virtue, but for his might".
As such, Lords of Cinder are just cunts with powerful enough souls that they can be used as kindling for the first flame.
![28821_002[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a9a9wR2.jpg "28821_002[1].jpg")
Hello Ivar. There is no mistaking you.
Why and how are characters like Patches and Siegward still conscious and not hollow and/or dead? Is it because the flame was linked in the first game?
>>335335048
>Aldrich was locked up and forced to become a Lord of Cinder, as opposed to willingly sacrificing himself or becoming cursed like Prince Lothric.
Lords of Cinder, the name even has it are just Cinder for the Great Flame. You don't have to link the first flame.
>>335335478
Siegward is not Siegmeyer, anon.
That said, fuck knows how patches is here.
>>335335336
Perhaps it means he refused to link the flame THIS TIME. As gathering the 5 lords of cinder to burn as tinder is the most key part of the process of linking the fire these days. He, for his own reasons is refusing to take his throne and do his part. Just like Yhorm, Aldritch, and the Abyss Watchers, he is refusing to do his part as a lord to help link the flame.
Thats the entire damn reason you are there.
>>335335048
Everyone who links the flame is a lord of cinder.
Not everyone who is a lord of cinder linked the flames.
>>335335197
>Which is why someone/something recreated the current one you see and why it is geologically unaccessable from the rest of the map.
I thought that was just in a different time.
To me the world is literally eroding away, smouldering lake proves it to me. Untended is in lothric castles time nestled underground. But in the future its all ash leaving only the endless crags and firelink before its back to zero
>>335335262
>who would link the flame
A Lord of Cinder is someone who is destined to Link it. Kaathe says he knows your destiny in DS1, but you dont have to Link it.
>>335335557
Patches is the Tom Bombadil of Souls.
>>335335262
The line is
>But we're talking true legends with the mettle to link the fire
the 'mettle' being the capability, or potential to do so.
I mean just look at the description for Yhorm's cinders.
>Lonely Yhorm became a Lord of Cinder to put the Profaned Flame to rest
It didn't say he became a Lord to link the fire.
>>335335337
>Alternative reality
No. Why would Gundyr be a champ in this reality but a judge in the other.
>>335335352
I thought the Pontiff's souls was talking about her being imprisoned, and not Gwyndolin
>>335335119
>>335335339
I helped with that boss as a sunbro so often, just to see the sequences and hear the voices
>rise if you will, for that...is our curse
>>335335625
This is fine with me.
>>335335230
Ah, well he still has that same fire feature the other lords share.
>>335335420
you and he WOULD link the flame to. Any random undead can link the flame. How is this supposed to be a detail that matters at all then?
>>335334270
Pretty sure Yhorm did.
>>335335484
>Aldrich was locked up and forced to become a Lord of Cinder
Show proof.
>>335335709
Wouldn't be shocked about the Abyss Walkers too.
>>335335582
It is the old firelink. What you experience there might be events of the past or not, that is up to your own interpretation but it is agreed that it is the real firelink shrine and that the one you port to is a recreation.
>>335329813
Imagine the Nameless King in his prime.
That motherfucker was hollow during all that bullshit.
>>335327703
>Literal emo kiddies
>Baw baw don't wanna go back mommy!
>Good
Wew lad so glad lord of Cinders was the last boss because they were an embarrassment in comparison to others.
>>335335647
Because Judge Gundyr was afflicted by the Abyss. The Abyss gave Champ Gundyr all his stamina for endless charging, thus he won the Royal rumble and went to Wrestlemania
>>335335832
Wow great opinion, just the right flavor of shitposting.
What was the abyss before Manus suddenly started fucking everything up?
How did he have the power to directly time travel and grab someone but also not do anything significant with it?
I don't care if time is convoluted, this nigga clearly sends you to a time very far in the past.
>>335335709
>Lonely Yhorm became a Lord of Cinder to put the Profaned Flame to rest
Nah
>>335335563
It's revealed multiple times that he never did it in any capacity. He was always meant to but refused to do it. Not like i blame him, burning yourself alive to keep this shitty world alive that descends into madness every other week is pretty dumb.
>>335335705
He WOULD link the flame because he's a fucking lord of cinder and thats their job, to be used as kindling to link the flame
Fucking listen up you cunts, read this post because you're obviously not reading anything in the game.
Lords of cinder are NOT all people who linked the flame. Only one of the five has ever claimed to have linked the flame, and we have no real way to verify that.
Lord of Cinder is just a designation that an individual has a soul powerful enough to BE USED AS KINDLING to rekindle the first flame, they're basically the four lord souls of Das1, or the four great souls from Das2, except this time there is 5 of them.
>>335335826
Nameless king is a god, he can't go hollow. Or else Fucciboi would be a hollow as well.
It's clear that the other Lords did link the fire, since they're in the opening and their cinders are scorched skulls. Lothric isn't, yet for some reason he's needed to Link the fire.
Possibly Lothric is essentially Vendrick - he's had all of the Lord Souls implanted in him, but he's part god, not undead, so he'll never hollow out to release them like Vendrick dead.
>>335335896
Cry more faggot, your emo fags were shit tier bosses and not even hard either to add insult to injury.
>>335335782
It's in the item descriptions, do you people need everything spoonfed?
>>335335919
Endless blackness.
Empty except for stone and rock. I believe it's what humans were born into and lived in until the first flame stuff happened and filled humans with vigour and will.
Human beings were once hollows in the very beginning, and only became 'humans' with the fire.
So, some people find comfort in the dark because it's their origin and some fear it because they'll lose everything they have.
>>335336037
Yhorm also linked the fire. There are enough item descriptions that have said so. We know the prince 100% did not. Abyss walker and Aldrich is up for debate.
>>335336109
Well you're still wrong, guess i'll go cry tears of laughter at your impotence.
>>335336132
>There are enough item descriptions that have said so
Such as?
>>335336048
He should probably turn down the settings on his tanning bed, then.
>>335335191
>unkindled
This, what the flying fuck is an unkindled, what makes them different from other undead, why do they not hollow under normal conditions, where is humanity?
>>335336161
It's okay anon don't worry you won't be 12 for long!
>>335336037
Ludleth even says "all 5 are needed to re-enact the first linking"
Which was Gwyns linking. The Lords of cinder are basically just the Lord Souls done over again, with Lothric supposed to be Gwyn.
So what are the abyss watchers? Hallowed husks??
>>335336132
>There are enough item descriptions that have said so
I'm pretty bloody sure there aren't, there are only things that talk about him putting the profaned flame to rest, which is a different thing.
>>335336132
No, Yhrom put out the profaned flame. Other than that it doesnt say he did anything with fire.
>>335336190
Literally the 3rd time I have done it in 3 consecutive threads. None of you fuccibois read item descriptions?
Profane Flame
>The Profaned Capital was consumed by fire after Yhorm the Giant became a Lord of Cinder. The fire, born of the sky, is said to have incinerated naught but human flesh.
Cinders of a lord
>Lonely Yhorm became a Lord of Cinder to put the Profaned Flame to rest, knowing full well that those who spoke of him as lord were quite insincere.
And the most damning
Stormruler
>Greatsword with a broken blade, also known as the Giantslayer for the residual strength of storm that brings giants to their knees." "Yhorm the Giant once held two of these, but gave one to the humans that doubted him, and left the other to a dear friend before facing his fate as a Lord of Cinder
>>335327703
>Top 5
Hey man There are other games called DS1 and DS2, no need to thank me just being helpful.
>>335336226
Did this piss off the SOLAIRE IS THE FIRSTBORN guys?
>>335336313
You can stop shitposting now!
>>335336409
>None of you fuccibois read item descriptions?
Apparently that's your problem. None of those state he linked the flame.
Unless you're the guy also stating you must have linked the flame to be a Lord of Cinder, which is also wrong.
>>335336369
>>335336403
Stormruler
>Greatsword with a broken blade, also known as the Giantslayer for the residual strength of storm that brings giants to their knees." "Yhorm the Giant once held two of these, but gave one to the humans that doubted him, and left the other to a dear friend before facing his fate as a Lord of Cinder
>His fate as a lord of Cinder
Tell me. What is the fate of a lord of Cinder?
>>335327703
Yeah but it's still a big armored guy with a weapon you beat by strafing.
>>335336409
>Yhorm the Giant once held two of these, but gave one to the humans that doubted him, and left the other to a dear friend before facing his fate as a Lord of Cinder
Fuck the guy seems like such a bro, why did we have to kill him again?
>>335336467
BEFORE
FACING
HIS
FATE
AS
A
LORD OF CINDER
Wew fucking lad.
>>335335382
Vore/guro fags need to leave
>>335324409
> fighting unarmed
> people fight me with smough's hammer
Fuck you people
>>335336468
Being used as kindling for the first flame. As I said before.
>>335336352
Half are Abyss ridden monkeys. The other half are hollowed trying to kill th3 Abyss
>>335336132
Yhorm is a Lord of Cinder because he literally could not be killed. He gave his only means of death to Siegward.
Abysswatchers are Lords od Cinder because they take down entire cities just to rid the world.of the abyss
Aldrich is a Lord of Cinder because he literally eats gods.
Lord of Cinder is one with the strength to link the flame. Why was Gwyn or PC not revived when Lothric wouldnt link the flame? Because all who actually linked the flame became Soul of Cinder.
>>335336538
Same reason we had to kill Gwyn - burning hollows you out.
>>335336538
He linked the fire the first time to put out the profaned flame. He has literally 0 reason to do it again.
>>335336546
THAT FATE BEING
GOING TO SLEEP UNTIL YOU'RE NEEDED AS FUCKING KINDLING FOR THE FIRST FLAME
>>335336443
>If you don't agree with me it's shitposting
Go back to leeddit faggot.
>>335336579
>unarmed honor
>not being used as a way to humiliate the enemy
>>335336583
Prior to this cycle, lords of cinder are people who had the potential to link the fire. Only in this cycle, did the bell awaken the Lords to be used as kindling.
>>335336426
No, why would it?
>>335336546
Mate, you seem to be having real trouble with this.
Becoming a lord of cinder does not mean you MUST link the flame.
How hard is this to grasp?
I mean for fucks sake you even posted this
>Lonely Yhorm became a Lord of Cinder to put the Profaned Flame to rest
It outright states he became a Lord for some other reason. Unless you're telling me that you know 100% for sure that the Profaned Flame is linked to the first flame somehow, then this disproves your argument entirely.
>>335333790
Lord Souls just get passed around, dude. That fat faggot The Rotten had one too, and he lived in a fucking sewer cave. In this case I imagine one of them got passed down through a family line, and Ocerios was obsessed with having a worthy successor.
Ludleth must have been a bad mother fucker before he became a shrivelled little smug guy on a throne.
>>335336538
Have you played DaS2? It seems like fighting giants because someone else fucked up is a thing in both games.
>>335336651
No you fucktard. Lords of cinder were never kindling till this cycle.
>>335336226
I've been wondering why the fuck he's hollow.
>>335336329
but Lothric refuses to play his part and link the shit, so we grab him, use his soul (and the others) for kindling, and then link the rest ourselves.
>>335336468
>What is the fate of a lord of Cinder?
In Yhorm's case, it was something to do with the Profaned Flame.
Because that was HIS fate as a Lord, anon. Not the fate of every Lord of Cinder.
And we know this, seeing as Lothric was a Lord, and never linked the flame.
>>335336659
>If you dont agree with my opinion you're a 12 year old baby from reddit
Wow, cool.
>>335336703
Absolute headcannon. There is no mention of lord of cinder in any other cycle.
>>335336710
Mate, you seem to have a trouble differentiating what is fate and what is action. It is the duty of a lord of cinder to link the fire, however, they can choose not to. Stormruler however stats that Yhorm choose to face his fate as a lord of cinder.
>>335336412
>any DS2 boss
>good
As soon as i faced silver Ornstein i lost hope for this games design.
>okay miyazaki, the boss is finished
>"no add more phases"
>okay, how's that?
>"no keep going"
>>335336769
Being a shrivelled raisin doesn't mean you're hollow. and NK still has his mind.
>>335336426
I never thought solaire was the firstborn. but there is no way this de-confirms that
>>335336750
I have but honestly don't care much for the lore or story past DeS and possibly a bit in Dark souls 1.
This thread is making everything way more convoluted and complex to me.
>>335336610
>Lord of Cinder is one with the strength to link the flame
The issue is the game makes a very strong difference between Lothric and the others we need to kill for Cinder. Emma says there aren't any Lords in Lothric, and later says you need to help Lothric become one, Lothric isn't in the intro and Lothric's cinders is his whole head, rather than the scorched skulls of the others. It's clear that Lothric is supposed to be the odd one out, in that he's NOT a Lord of Cinder, that he never linked the flame, but we need to kill him for the ritual anyway.
>>335336762
Given that LOC were something that we have no fucking evidence existed in the other cycles, that distinction seems irrelevant.
>>335324409
Lorian is a war hero who exterminated the demons of Smouldering Lake. He defeated the Old Demon King and cast his body amongst the corpses of the other demons believing him dead, but the unkindled's presence awoke the king once more.
All of this while Lothric's crippled bitch-ass hid in his tower avoiding his responsibility to link the flame.
Lorian comes home and instead of pushing his little bro to do what's right, he pretends to be crippled with him - to "share in his curse".
Best DS3 characters by far.
>>335336832
And the cinder item stated he did so for a reason that had nothing to do with linking the flame.
You seem to be ignoring that point entirely.
>>335336815
>Headcannon
Yes yes. That is why the princes despite being lords of cinder chose not to link the flame. Despite the fact that according to you they are just mere kindling and have no say. You sure you aren't the one making head cannon?
>>335335643
>It didn't say he became a Lord to link the fire
But he became a Lord no matter his reasons.
>>335336710
>Lothric didn't link flame
>he still is a lord
>no mention of Aldritch ever linking the flame
>he got announced as Lord of Cinder JUST becasue he was powerfull, not because he linked the flame
such is life in dark souls
Where do I turn my boss souls into weapons? I've got 5 right now
>>335327703
>think the new fast as fuck bosses are bad enough
>they now can teleport too
The Dark Souls bosses are evolving!
Took me a while to get used to him, but then I realized he isnt immune to bleeding...
>>335336915
He became a lord of cinder to stop the profaned flame. That doesn't make the lord of cinder fate to stop the profaned flame. You seem to have problem making a distinction between the two. Unless it is always the fate of a LoC to stop the profaned flame.
>>335336927
You're a fucking idiot. The young prince is a lord of cinder because he is the one who is meant to bring all the lords together and burn them as kindling. We take his soul and fucking do it for him.
>>335336957
>Lothric didn't link flame
>he still is a lord
No one refers to him as a Lord, though.In fact, he and Emma do the opposite.
>>335336610
>Because all who actually linked the flame became Soul of Cinder.
Ludleth is a lord of cinder and is sitting on that throne and straight up tells you he linked the fire previously.
Someone explain why Gwyn was not resurrected? He was a Lord of Cinder.
Someone explain why The Lords of Cinders bodys are not ashes, like the others who linked the fire, but instead lie in Coffins.
Its because they never linked the fire.
>>335336935
Sure, but the argument is that every Lord is someone who has linked the flame. Which is not concrete.
>>335331041
Dumbass, pay attention next time and you'd know.
>tfw finishing someone off with a throwing knife
