Which one?
>>335250489
Doom 3.
Q3 has Doomguy in it
>>335250489
Warsow.
....................Quake 3
>>335250489
Go back to 2001. Quake is indisputably the better game though. Higher skill ceiling.
You can rocket jump without killing yourself in Quake 3, so Quake 3.
I've always been partial to UT, but I do feel like Q3 has an higher skill ceiling.
That said the mechanics are quite different: Q3 is straightforward with the weapons with plenty of movement mastery, UT has deeper weapons mechanics and combos, which lead to some interesting bullshittery.
Also DAT SOUNDTRACK
Straight DM: Quake 3
Different play modes: UT
>>335250489
UT for boys.
Q3 for men.
Which one of the two franchises has the best fucking weaponand why is it pic related
>>335250763
Underrated post.
Too bad it's dead.
Even more than Quake and UT.
Best arena shooter ever made.
Q3 has cooler guns and maps, UT AI is unreal.
Original UT was pretty shit, honestly, so definitely Quake. UT 2004, on the other hand, was great. It introduced vehicles and all sorts of fun gamemodes. However Quake 3 is still better in plain DM, like this guy >>335251045 said.
>>335250489
Unreal GOTY has the better atmosphere and music
God the music
Quake 3 has the better gameplay
So in reality Quake 3 is better but in my heart I want to say Unreal GOTY
>>335250489
Unreal is still alive.
>>335250763
>>335251435
>people unironically like Warsow now
Neo-/v/, everyone...
>>335251447
It's called unreal because it is.
>>335251447
>Q3 has cooler guns
among all the correct things you could've said instead, you chose to be retarded
>>335251706
>Yes, this is an actual PC game screenshoot
>Street fighter, disappointment of the year?
Man history repeats itself
>>335251706
Fun fact: I just noticed the nipples were subsequently removed and can't be seen in the actual ingame Skaarj
>>335251045
This.
>>335251706
>Are U.S marines trained on doom?
>>335251571
Listen dude you probably have sub 1800 rating on qlstats so how about you just fuck off with your worthless opinions
>tfw arena shooters are practically dead
>>335251976
Why would they need nipples they're like reptile/insects
>>335250489
Is Quake Live worth getting ?
I didn't get it when it was free and I feel bad buying for it now
>>335252046
>projecting
>>335252257
Try not to get so upset that people call you out when you share your garbage opinions, champ.
>>335252194
If only we had a hero
>>335251706
Man, I loved next generation. They coated their covers with something that felt awesome. Plus they were a good refuge from the bullshit in EGM/GamePro
>>335250489
Both, but if i really had to choose. Q3
>>335252194
CS:GO is insanely popular.
>>335252237
It's literally your only choice if you want to play against actual people.
>>335250927
Unreal uses Impact Hammer jumping instead of rocket jumping.
>>335251706
>street fighter 3
>disappointment
Someone didn't learn how to whiffs normals
>>335252194
They aren't though. Wanna come play in the next Warsow Challonge cup?
Or you can sign up for EHLL, theres plenty of euros and americans and s. americans so it really doesnt matter what region you're from you'll have people to compete against.
Or maybe you like Quake? Well QL has more than enough leagues and tournaments running.
The population has been dwindling a bit, but having dumb faggot anonymous posters like you who'd rather complain about the current state of affairs instead of playing the god damn games doesn't actually help!
>>335251350
When they unveiled the official model for the UT4 Flak cannon I literally got an erection.
It's seriously the best one yet, the perfect mix of the classic Unreal/UT99 Flak and the 2004 Mk3.
>>335251913
>>335252482
They're not talking about 3S.
>>335252374
NO
DON'T DO THIS
>>335251371
>quad damage
>it only gives you triple damage
>>335251535
I'm happy that there are sensible people left in the world.
>>335252194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbDQSOmwA20
>>335252287
Just because I'm replying doesn't mean that I'm upset. I couldn't care less about your petty insults and I can't count the times that I've had trashtalkers who have no idea who I am and how I play get rekt in duels. But being arrogant is a staple of most arena shooter fans; it doesn't matter if they're good at it, they think they're already better than everyone simply for playing an arena shooter. People like you amuse me...
>>335253107
Lets duel right now geek you are not good at arena FPS.
>>335252607
Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Sure it doesn't have important genre defining gameplay elements such as weapon and health spawns and pick ups, but map control is still the most important aspect of the game so that hasn't changed. CS:GO is the closes thing we have to an olden day arena shooter as the basic idea is still the same.
>>335253238
>you are not good at arena FPS
Maybe, but how would you know?
>>335253485
Because only garbage players act like Warsow is a bad game :)
>>335250489
>>335253542
Only hipsters play and praise Warsow when they can already play Quake.
>>335253323
>CS:GO is the closes thing we have to an olden day arena shooter
>>335252424
Impact hammer jumping is weak and useless, and you have to charge it up to even get a good jump out of it.
I don't remember a single match in UT where someone was winning because of the impact hammer.
I remember plenty of Q3 matches where I got my ass blasted from people rocket jumping around the map.
Additionally, rocket jumping is:
- Instant
- Far more predictable
- Able to kill an enemy close by as you're also jumping out of range from another enemy
UT has always felt slow compared to Q3. Even when there was a grapple hook weapon in the game, it was still no where near as fast-paced.
That being said, some of the vehicles in UT2004 are amazingly fun to play.
>>335253706
Only garbage players don't realize that there are tons of differences between Quake and Warsow to make them vastly different games that are fun to play on their own merits.
Only EXTREME garbage players think you can't play both Warsow and Quake. I doubt you play much of either though and just shitpost online!
>hipsters
Oh so you're one of those people who only play something if its popular. I think Undertale is a game more suited for you, buddy!
>>335253837
I'll admit UT99 is slow and plodding, but UT2004 has the dodge system to get you around quickly. Impact/shield jumping is still weak but you can dodge right up lots of slanted walls for a similar effect if you get good at timing side-dodges.
>>335252001
I'm not sure what your reaction image means but yes
>>335253837
>UT has always felt slow compared to Q3
You should really try UT4
>>335250763
lol
>>335251435
LOL
>>335251447
>Q3 has cooler guns and maps
I'm gonna keel over, you niggas slay me
>>335253875
>tons of differences
Such as?
>Oh so you're one of those people who only play something if its popular.
No, but I also don't try to be a hardcore underground gamurz xD.
And I've already played Undertale, thanks for the suggestion. It was ok.
>>335253837
you ever play UT2k3?
booooooost dodginggggg
that shit was the tits but they brought it back as a mutator in 2k4 so all is not lost.
it was a movement option, you jump and dodge at the same time and you get the momentum of both without the penalty of using one after the other- this means you can make distances never thought of before
mix in shield gun and things get crazy as you can negate massive fall damage and instead take stock 25 dam or 20, i forgot.
>>335254596
QL has limited bunnyhopping, Q3 only has strafejumping. Warsow has full bunnyhopping and strafejumping and you can switch between them midjump. Warsow also has dodges so you can change direction while strafejumping with no movement speed loss, something that can't be done in any version of Quake (without rocketjumping I suppose.)
Warsow also has more unique respawning/timing on the megahealth, instead of 35s flat it respawns 20s after whoever picked it up drops to 100hp.
Not to mention different damage values on some weapons, the rocket launcher being a huge one. Warsow rockets do 25 whole less damage on direct hits. Rails do less damage in Warsow as well.
I honestly can't believe I'm sitting here spoonfeeding you the differences between Warsow and Quake. You genuinely don't know them! Yet you'll sit there and insult Warsow like you're some high authority on Arena FPS games! Yeah man everyone who plays Warsow is trying to be a hardk0re underground gaymer xD not someone just trying to enjoy a different flavor of arena FPS with more crisp movement.
>>335250489
>no posts about soundtracks
Let's change that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z-hfGqjP0Q&list=PLED07D7ADEF957788&index=4
Quake 3 by far.
Quake 3 was the most fun to play, but the music and atmosphere was better in UT99 GOTY.
Basically what was said in:
>>335251535
What I find more interesting is attempts to merge shooter games together,:
Quake 3 weapons in UT99:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MceV0U6vwMY
UT99 weapons in Garrysmod:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRd2rPjLNcI
I'd love to see some fan-made project that attempts to merge the good parts of all arena shooter stuff into one game.
I've seen great arena maps, great gameplay, and great atmosphere among many arena games...but I haven't seen something tick all of the boxes in one single package yet.
I do however believe that game engines are at the point where such a thing could be modded into existence.
>>335255397
>>no posts
>>335251535
>>335254947
>that shit was the tits but they brought it back as a mutator in 2k4 so all is not lost.
boost dodging isn't built in for 2k4?
>>335254947
So like the longjump module in HL1? I always thought more games needed that.
>>335252307
Plot twist:
- You are Romero
- You also made this thread, perfectly timed for your announcement that is due in a couple of days
- The announcement will be arena shooter related
>>335255451
WIthout clicking the links, it seems like it would be pretty easy to add QUake weapons to UT- just take the UT equivalents and tweak the damage values/mechanics (remove alt fire and multi rockets for RL, increase shock rifle damage to act like railgun, etc), no?
>>335255312
>everyone who plays Warsow is trying to be a hardk0re underground gaymer xD
Never said that. It just bothers me how Warsow players are generally so condescending towards Quake players, even though their game isn't any better and neither is the fanbase. Quake and CPMA have, hands-down, the best players in the Arena FPS scene (Cypher, Rapha, K1llsen, Hal, etc.). I'd like to see top Warsow players go up against them...
Random thought, do projectiles in either of these games inherit momentum?
>>335251045
>implying freeze tag wasn't goat
>>335256130
>>335254596
>hardcore underground gamurz xD.
you imply it right there.
Now you're trying to compare the pro players between each game like its relevant at all...you're out of argument, you're trying to say warsow players are "condescending" to quake players (what?) while doing the same exact thing to Warsow players.
You are garbage at arena FPS and your opinions are invalid.
>>335256218
Why play reflex when I can play quake?
>>335255585
nah buddy they took it out after 2k3 but put it back in as a mutator, go on it and enable 2k3 boost dodging
the momentum system was changed for 2k4 because you lose the horizontal momentum of your dodge if you jump and vice versa if you jump its horizontal momentum is lost when you dodge
I think because it was trivializing some maps, not really sure i never paid much mind back then to what it did to the meta. Its just one of those things the OG's would insist I learned to do.
>>335255692
yeah, just takes a bit of fiddling to get off but pretty much that way.
>>335256137
UT2k4 had a mutator for that, i'm very certainly sure
>>335256367
BETTER GRAPHIX, MAP EDITOR,
>>335250489
Quake:
Better mechanics
Higher skill ceiling
Better and less situational weapons
S T R A F E J U M P I N G
Unreal Tournament:
Slower
Better designed and more varied weapons, yet not as good as Quake's
Better music
Better maps
Yet I still prefer Quake 3.
>>335250927
UT has air piston, mate.
>>335256130
I played both Warsow and Quake Live and it's just my opinion that Warsow is better. I'm not looking down on QLplayers. Cooller, Rapha and the lot speak for themselves but Quake is also way older than Warsow.
If anything I'd like to see them duke it out in Warsow.
>>335256635
>UT has air piston, mate.
Which is absolutely fucking slow, garbage, and leaves you without a weapon in your hand.
>mate
Typical aussie shitposter that isn't good at videogames, typical.
>>335253947
>>335254371
>>335254947
While it seems unfair since these aren't UT99, I will admit yeah some of the newer ones do have some better mechanics than Q3.
I played a bit of UT2003, and a lot of UT2004, but they still felt slow. I think possibly the large scale maps might have been half the reason why though.
Haven't touched UT3 or UT4. Have watched others play them though. For some reason they remind me of Gears of War, and I can't stand that game.
Q3 is the pure uncut cocaine of skilled shooters. But if you asked me back in the day which game someone should buy I would have told you UT. From a value standpoint UT has always been miles ahead of the competition.
>6 gorillion maps
>more game modes than even the developers know about
>every gun is actually 3 more guns
>we pre installed like 80 mods you can use if you feel like it
Does quake break every time you win a match?
https://youtu.be/TvmAJxbNhLk
>>335256313
>EVERYONE who plays
"everyone" is the key word here. MOST Warsow players are tryhards and condescending.
>You are garbage at arena FPS and your opinions are invalid.
You don't know me, are being cocky on the internet for no reason, and your opinion of my opinion is, at the end of the day, just another opinion.
>>335256735
I live in Seattle, anon. Before that I lived in Arizona, specifically Maricopa County.
Air piston actually isn't that bad. you can rev it up to knock fuckers off the map. I mean, it essentially does the same job in terms of RJing as a RL, but it's not anywhere near as good for actually doing damage. Air piston is basically the Q3 gauntlet with rocket jumping properties
>>335256756
oh nah dude i was just jumping off your convo to make a couple points, ididnt mean as part of your direct comparison i mean quake beat ut99 easy imo (except in music but definitely in movement)
when it hit to the UT2kX lot, they got me wet and weak at the knees
>>335256756
>UT4
>reminding you of Gears of War
I get why you would get that with 3 since it's basically the same art style, but 4?
>>335255947
Kind of. Getting the rocket jumping to feel right would be easier if it was just porting the original Q3 scripts.
>no one wants to play some Xonotic pickups
>literally Quake 3 with easier movement and UT-like weapons
>has fun modes like instagib+grappling hook ctf
>has some good maps
>>335257217
I'll play Xonotic if you'll give me a moment to download it.
>>335256938
Except you need to charge it to jump and it leaves you with a useless weapon in your hand. Impact jumping is rarely done in duels because its USELESS.
>>335256925
>MOST Warsow players are tryhards and condescending.
Not really, but you don't actually play the game so I can see why you think that.
I don't need to know you to know that you're shit at arena FPS games. You didn't even know the differences between Warsow and Quake but tried to act like one game is superior to the other...simply because one game has better players? What?
>>335257283
You don't need to charge it to jump unless you want to go very far. You can tap it and you'll go up.
>>335257057
More-so the map and weapon designs in UT4. Some of the characters look nice, but overall it still resonates the same bland feeling that UT3 had.
I don't even know if the same people from UT2004 are on-board anymore. If not, I guess that would have something to do with it.
>>335256828
How did we go from games that fight to give you the most stuff possible and maps that literally download themselves so you don't have to leave the server, to today?
>>335257217
I hate how the weapons all look the same, I can't distinguish one weapon pickup from another at a distance
>>335257362
>You didn't even know the differences between Warsow and Quake but tried to act like one game is superior to the other
No I tried to get this guy >>335250763
off his high horse when he implied that Warsow is better than Quake. I never said that one is superior to the other. They're both quite similar as games, just that Warsow's fanbase is smaller and more snobbish than Quake's, even though not better in any way (quite the contrary).
>>335252001
It sounds stupid but there is a wad made by the military that was actually used to train marines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYYFhCuRJyw
>>335256465
i guess i'm shit at video games because i can't feel the fucking difference
>>335256594
>BETTER GRAPHICS
That everyone turns off
>MAP EDITOR
lrn2 GTKRadiant
>>335257283
You know you can semi rocket jump with Flak shells?
>>335257032
Yeah I know what you mean, I played UT2kX for a really long time. Even when CS was popular I probably spent more time on UT.
I even have an old HDD somewhere in storage that is piled up with mods and maps just for UT games. I'd be surprised if it even works.
>>335257760
Someone made flat icons for pickups like in q3.
>>335257614
>overall it still resonates the same bland feeling that UT3 had.
I dunno, I quite like the direction they've gone. The weapons actually look like classic UT weapons now instead of the laughably over-designed messes EVERYTHING was in UT3 where you couldn't tell a Flak cannon from a rocket launcher other than one is yellow and one is red.
>>335256828
>we pre installed like 80 mods you can use if you feel like it
>tfw there will never be another Make Something Unreal competition and all the old stuff has 404'd
The obvious answer as multiple people have posted is:
Duels: Quake
Team Modes: UT
>>335250489
Both.
Quake Live for DM and Duel
Unreal Tournament 4 for CTF and TDM and basically everything else.
>>335250489
Quake 3 for dueling.
Unreal Tournament for Team Death Match.
Debatable which has a better CTF.
This is the ONLY answer.
>>335258637
>>335258615
>>335258280
I'm glad this is just some sort of unanimous agreement.
If only Reflex' community weren't so ridiculously small. It's like Quake Live in fun with better movement, engine, netcode and maps.
I still can't believe onslaught even exists. It's like one of those dumb ideas you come up with as a kid. Like hey, tanks are cool lets put tanks in this game, even if it makes no sense. Oh and space battles too. Except as it turns out it wasn't dumb, it was amazing.
they're both the same game lol
>>335259116
top kek
Quake 1 has better multiplayer than Quake 3.
>>335259347
Red armor is fucking OP.
>>335259456
>I can't remember where red armor spawns and my opponent always gets it
>>335259456
Q1 Red Armor only absorbs 13% more damage than Q3 armor (80% vs 67.7%).
Q1 also has no railgun to plink people with for 100 damage a pop from across arenas because you were already aiming at the teleport exit forcing you to get closer to actually fight them.
>>335259693
Yeah, it's pretty dumb. Pick up one item and now you can survive 4 fucking rockets.
>>335259456
Not that it matters since people die pretty quickly anyway there, or at least that's how it felt to me.
>>335251457
ut99 was one of the best fps ever made. stop talking about what you don't know
>>335252194
openarena is pretty active still, tho it's hard to find servers that are nearly full
>>335259786
aim better
So why aren't you playing UT4 guys?
It's literally FREE
>>335260191
it sucks
>>335260191
it's literally dead
i love it though
>>335260191
I'm at work. Trying to work on my shock combo game.
>>335260217
explain your reasoning
>>335260279
probably some ut2k4 kid who doesn't realize ut2k4 is what casualized the series
>>335260191
PC is too old for that shit
Someone already made a Domination game mode for it, right? How many maps are available for it now?
>>335260279
if i wanted to play a good shooter id play csgo or quake arena
>>335260243
>literally dead
Nigga you what? Stop shitposting and talking about games you clearly never played.
>>335260217
Git gud skrub.
>>335260278
Start with long range, close range shock combo is hella hard to pull off in my opinion since often the blob will already hit a wall or the enemy before you can even plink it.
>>335260403
But shit runs even on toasters once you crank everything to lowest details.
>>335260191
I am and I love it
There is LITERALLY no map that looks better than DM-Chill in the entire vidya scene. The new Unreal Engine is a goddamn beast
>>335260403
Nah it's still pretty barebones right now, mostly FFA, CTF and Duel. Not that many maps yet either, but they are really good. And the weapons are the best they've ever been in the series.
>>335260108
I hope OA3 somehow gives it a boost in popularity. Though I'm also afraid that it will just fragment the remaining playerbase.
>>335250489
I never was into arena shooters, but from what I played (q3, ut98,04,3) I liked UT more. So as arena shooter noob I liked ut more, I guess quake is the better one. Is my logic right?
I don't know if it's just the map design showing it off but I REALLY like UT4's movement system. Are the walljumps stronger here than in 2k4 because they feel like it.
>>335260493
I prefer Facing Worlds myself in terms of visuals.
>>335260525
Nigger don't play on Hubs, Servers have custom maps and mutators and gamemodes. You will never see any custom content on Hubs section.
>>335260654
THey are, and they have to be because there's no jump-dodging to make up for it
>>335260279
>>335260482
>>335260493
>>335260525
Not that guy, but I think they still need to tweak a few things before it's going to be really fun.
Transloc needs a short cooldown (5 seconds?).
Movement speed needs a small increase (10%).
WEAPON SWITCHING NEEDS TO BE FUCKING FASTER HOLY JEEBUS
TTK feels a bit too high, but that might be because I'm bad.
>>335260581
Nope.
Q3/QL is better for deathmatch and duel (1vs1)
UT has always been better for team based modes though such as team deathmatch and capture the flag.
Depends what you want from a game really, if you want solo go Quake, if you want team go UT.
>>335260661
Have you tried enabling ghost and flying down to Earth?
>>335250489
Quake 3 they upped the speed in order to compete with unreal. If course unreal is better plus they pushed technology more with textures
>>335250489
Unreal Tournament. It has better movement options and cooler weapons. Not to mention the vehicles in UT 2k4
>>335260739
The only thing I can agree with in your post is weapon switching speed.
Movement is fast once you git gud and learn to fucking DODGE, this ain't Quake you faggot.
Transloc cooldown would render is completely fucking useless, again git gud because it sounds to me like you can't into transloc gottagofast game.
I don't even know what you mean by TTK, time to kill? Again sounds like a "git gud" to me.
>>335260739
>TTK feels a bit too high, but that might be because I'm bad.
You really need to say either slow or fast because I'm not sure what high means, but I assume you mean slow. But I like that, the instant deaths in UT were always one of the things that gave quake that slight edge in "competatniveness", since it made armor in most UT games kinda useless.
>>335260746
How is UT better for CTF? You can't speed up to cap flags quickly.
>>335260791
There's an invisibile wall sadly.
>>335260909
>how do I DODGE
>how do I use Transloc
Son stop.
>>335260661
>>335260791
Do these games still have skybox rooms? I remember enabling playersonly in UT, giving myself a million redeemers. Then I'd head to the skybox room then fire them at the earth. Made it look like the fucking apocalypse.
>>335260909
Dude what? UT has Translocator, Wall running and Dodgejumping, plenty of options to go fast in CTF.
Just because it has no strafejumping bunnyhop doesn't mean it has no alternatives.
>>335260909
if you tap forward 4 times you get SPEED combo
then you can whizz around
>>335261087
>tapping
Turn that shit off, use Shift for dodge instead. Doubletapping is way too unrealiable in my experience.
>>335261192
He's talking about the adrenaline combos in 2k4 dude
>>335251350
My gunfu
anyone playing the new UT? feels like ut99
>>335261231
Oh, shit, never played 2k4 outside of Red Orchestra mod since I hated how different 2k3/2k4 was from UT99. I'm glad UT4 ditched that shit and decided to replicate 99 instead.
>>335252307
I feel like when I read Masters of Doom, that Adrian didn't really seem to give a shit about video games. But maybe he needs the cash, who knows.
>>335261389
As long as you're in EU, sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0OCzVqjOU
post yfw arena shooters are going to make a massive comeback
>>335261067
Elevator jumping is also really strong. I also thought wallrunning was gimmicky until I learned how to use it. It's really great for going down corner ramp type situations.
>>335261440
Adrian is an artist, he doesn't give a shit about what he works on as long as he gets to make art for it.
>>335261547
Tbh O23 is a shitty map.
Chill is better.
>>335261583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xL2rcXI698
they have that one too. not a fan of dubstep, but the map looks nice
>>335261547
UT4 was the first time in a while I actually went "wow these graphics are amazing"
>>335261552
Oh yeah I always forget to mention elevator jumping.
>>335261657
Well I wasn't talking about the trailers but rather the maps themselves. I don't watch their vids desu.
>>335261547
Goddamn this game is only in pre-alpha
PRE-FUCKING-ALPHA
and it already looks and feels this good on fully texturized maps. I can't wait to see the final product in action and to jizz all over the room in an explosion of cum
>>335260983
>There's an invisibile wall sadly.
That's why you use ghost, not fly.
>>335261032
Most games still use miniature 3d skyboxes, yes.UT4 does not.
>>335261714
UT4 has absolutely stunning visuals.
Also reminder new build soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgJE-m8pm8E
Can anyone help me find out the name of a UT map? I can't remember it.
CTF, the entire map was basically a big '0' with longish buildings in the middle, a circular path that was the main area, and small flag spots at the bottom and at the top of this '0'.
>>335261781
>UT4 does not.
>>335261895
LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT FUCKING MAP
FUCK YOUR GAY-ASS SKYBOX ROOMS
>>335251706
>yes, this is an actual screenshot
looks like total shit
>implying halo 2 isn't the best arena shooter of all time
>>335261759
They're going into Alpha in October. Anyhow I don't really see how this game is called Pre-Alpha right now since Alpha status is when you're code complete.
This shit is already code complete in pre-alpha.
The gameplay is pretty much perfect and any changes at this point can only be tweaks such as damage or speed values.
All the maps are also already there, just not all of them are textured, those that aren't used placeholder visuals that STILL look better than Reflex/Warsow/Q3 on r_picmip 9
>>335261781
Just yesterday I was playing on this map, scoped in on a random location and saw flowing water like 3 miles out. Blew my goddamn mind.
>>335261781
>that WEBM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT UNREAL ENGINE 4 IS THE SHIT
I held off on UT4 for a while but fuck it downloading now
>>335250489
I honestly loved both, Q3A was our LAN game but it got supplanted by UT2K4
>>335262017
>all the maps are already there
For a modern call of duty that sells you 2 maps for 10 bucks game sure, not UT. 2K4 launched with over a hundred maps, half of them were based off of older maps, half of them were new.
This will sound pathetic and cringey, but I'm just so happy that UT4 is coming out. My eyes get watery thinking about all the fun I had with friends years ago playing ut99, 2004, and quake arena. Shooters are so bad now, it's just amazing to see a game that:
>will run on toasters
>will look photorealistic if you have good hardware though
>completely free
>no casualization
goddam, 2016 is going to be fucking great
>>335262016
Look at the date you underage cockmongler.
>>335262141
They already said they're not replicating UT2k3/4, they're going for UT99 style game. It will never have 2k3/2k4 shit unless someone mods that in. So if you want 2k3/2k4 just go play 2k4 because this game is not for you.
>>335261507
USEast here, and no...
I play daily
>>335262225
>come out
It came out 2 years ago if you mean the release of pre-alpha.
It's coming out of pre-alpha in October and will either go into Alpha or straight into Beta, but I doubt they will be able to texture all maps by October so I'm betting Alpha.
Beta and possible actual release date late next year.
>>335262256
I'm not even talking about gamemodes, UT games in general launch with absurd amounts of content.
>>335251350
literally the best gun ever made
>>335261781
But why?
That extra space
>>335262141
2k4 was a 60 dollar rerelease of a game that had come out a year before. It was worth every penny but but cmon son.
>>335262424
But doesn't UT4 already have all the core UT99 maps? Just not all of them textured.
>>335260983
>how do I use Transloc
Certainly not while capping flag.
>>335261853
Gauntlet?
>a few months ago you couldn't even mention UT4 without being ripped apart
>this thread
>>335261781
Sweet mother of Jesus the UE4 is not fucking around
I liked Quake 3 ArenaOn the Dreamcast with Key and MouseAm I the only one?
>>335261781
How wasteful. I guess their goal really is to sell the engine rather than make a technically efficient game.
>>335251447
I still say UT3 has the best bots ever
which is good because dedgamefuck you instagib kills slow time is fun
>>335262458
Because it's a PC exclusive and because they can.
If you've got a problem then go play D44M.
The game has very highly customizeable graphics including draw distance so it will run on toaster as long as you crank shit down.
I don't understand why you're even bitching that they're actually putting in effort into a literally FREE game that won't even have ads.
>>335262101
>>335262020
All the maps so far do that, Outpost is just the most fun one to look at because it goes SO FAR OUT that it extends past the actual skybox sphere. And that's nuts.
There's nothing there... but imagine a game running on UE4 where there ARE things there, things you can shoot at, talk to, interact with. Because that's not a skybox, that's actual, playable (were it not for the clip brushes) map area.
I can't wait until people get the kinks worked out and start making crazy shit.
>>335262471MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMISTER CROOOOOOWWW
>>335262519
personally I'm a quake fan because I like strafe jumping and moving quickly with the bunny hop, but UT4 has sucked up all my time recently
>>335262519
D44M brought some much needed attention to UT4.
In a way be thankful that that turd exists.
>>335262571
They don't need to make a 'technically efficient' game. UT has always been the flagship game to sell the Unreal engine, and what better way to show off its capabilities? There's that short animated video thing Epic made, but people can easily dismiss that as being pre-rendered (despite the file being available to download to play on your own PC)- make a really fucking big map in UT and people will noclip out and see for themselves.
It's not like it's badly optimized, either. UT4 runs like a goddamn dream on my old midrange rig.
>>335262616
Battlefield has pretty cool backdrops on maps. They really sell large world.
>>335262689
That explains why I've been doing better in FFAs recently.
>>335262616
A lot of modders are waiting for the game to come out but some of the shit that's already been done such as Pistola and Lea maps is really amazing.
>>335262595
>Cause they can
>Cause they want to use up your storage
Its K they want to show off.., but its excessive amount.
>go play x instead
You lame as fuck.
>>335262471
To be fair, though, Epic admitted UT2003 was unfinished and if you sent them a picture of your 2k3 game and code, they'd give you a rebate for 2k4.
>>335262820
>Its K they want to show off.., but its excessive amount.
You sound like the same type of person that asks why a rifle needs to be able to shoot fifty rounds before reloading, or why a Dodge Viper has to have a V10 engine that's bigger than a shopping cart, or why sandwiches can't always come pre-sliced.
Because FUCK YOU, that's why.
>>335262519
This thread is the reason why we CAN have nice things:
>Kicks off as an Arena general
>minium shitposting
>questions around which shooter excells at what are genuinely answeredand agreed on
>obligatory flak cannon post
>slowly starts focusing on UT
>a couple of gentlemengo as far as to mention the sweet, sweet soundtrack
my face when
>>335262742
780 Ti, it runs flawless for me at 60 FPS maxed out at 1440p on all maps including the fully textured ones.
I know it's not a weak card but Nvidia completely dropped driver optimization support for it so it's really a testament to how good UE4 is.
>>335261547
I learned fighting games back in 09erbecause FPS games were fucking dead as far as I cared. Guess I'll never get to play C.Viper in SFV now.
>>335262821
Giving you a rebate instead of straight up giving it for free is still scummy. Don't defend that.
>>335262642
>never understood why the fuck 2K4 yelled out only his name
>my face when reading up on it
https://youtu.be/BgJE-m8pm8E?t=17m23s
HOLY SHIT FULLY TEXTURED TUBA LOOKS SO FUCKING GOOD
>>335262616
this shit makes me want another single player Unreal
>>335262820
That 2 TB drive you have isn't going to be strained by a few extra bits of environment with no collision boxes. If you think this shit is big you should have seen tribes 2 maps.
>>335263106
For the sheer amount of shit UT2004 came with compared to 3, the $30 was well worth it.
Don't forget all the free stuff, too- the Community Bonus Packs, the Make Something Unreal contests, etc. Remember when devs did cool stuff like that?
>>335262678
bunnyhopping is just so much fun
I don't know if I can live without it
>>335262689
>>335262767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xIHrQRzsG0
>>335263198
Explain?
>>335263254
Tribes maps are procedurally generated, though, filesize they're miniscule.
>>335263294
UT4 has a lot more ways to move with than bunnyhop/strafejump.
You've got Dodge (shit is a mechanic in itself considering the insane shit you can do with it), Wallrunning, Elevator jumping and of course the Translocator.
>>335263295
That UT4 gameplay is casual as fuck, played by a literal scrub. He doesn't even go fast.
>>335261781
I'm fairly certain Bungie actually did this with Halo 3 on the 360. Figures, their skyboxes were God-Tier. Pic Related.
Granted none of that shit had collisions, but I'm fairly certain it was actual real geometry instead of a projection like Source does.
Its funny, the fans of Bungie Halo are now sounding exactly like old-fashion PC shooter fans, and asking for a lot the same things.
>>335261547
I'm glad that UE4's default shaders are actually GOOD this time. I'd much rather ever fucking 3rd party game under the sun look like UT with screenspace reflections and particles out the ass than UT3/Gears gritty yet specular-out-the-ass look
i feel like ut2004 would be better without the shock rifle.
every other gun is effective at certain ranges, while shock rifle is a far too effective jack of all trades.
>>335263435
I know, and I actually like UT's movement mechanics, but they don't really allow me to go fast.gotta go fast
>>335260191
But I do.
>>335263295
Horrible video mate, I don't even like D44M but showing DSP paying it with a controller and comparing to random dude playing UT4 is just so fucking cherrypicked. Also the UT4 dude sucks too, just not as much as DSP.
>>335263510
I know, he runs straight forward just using the flak cannon like a shotgun. No wall running, dodges with slides, hammer jumping
After the doom beta, a lot of new players got on UT4 and are extremely new. Feel bad destroying them desu
>>335263435
You can seriously clear maps in an instant with a good elevator jump+ wall jump
>discovering dodging on an elevator is a completely different thing than a normal jump on an elevator
>>335263534
Source does its best with the 1/16th (or is it 1/8th?) scale skyboxes, but it's only a workaround for hard engine limits on map size, number of objects and textures, and so on that date back to the Quake days, and while it can look good if done correctly, even Valve fucks it up half the time and has to hide the horizon with buildings and near props to prevent the player from seeing the seam between 1:1 scale and the skybox.
>>335263596
Yes they do, you just need to git gud and learn how to chain wallrun with dodge for max speed.
>>335260191
I poke at it occasionally, but I'm mainly dicking about with botmatches at the moment then leaving for a month or so before coming back to see all the new shit. It's pretty fucking awesome so far though.
I'll probably play it more seriously once there's a full set of game modes and more established maps, so when it's moving into more of a beta state.
>>335262742
Well, I guess it's because the game is free they're not obligated to do anything, but I don't support developers who make wasteful use of resources and expect players to just upgrade all the time. The last thing we need is a stigma against developers who use smoke and mirror techniques to cut down on performance use.
What happens then when they come up with bigger maps? People are going to expect them to have the same detailed distant landscapes but because the maps are bigger, maybe your current rig won't run it so good anymore so you have to upgrade. Then there's the next game with higher fidelity graphics but since there's an expectation for more wasteful distant landscapes you have to upgrade again.
Then there's also the issue of how much time and effort has to go into creating all those details that could have been used to make more maps instead.
Think long-term.
>>335263828
can you not read? You can lower the draw distance
the game can run on a fucking toaster
>>335263709
>tight space between 2 pillars
>proceed to dodgeclimb like it was Prince of Persia
>mfw it works
>>335263828
>I don't support developers who make wasteful use of resources and expect players to just upgrade all the time
UT4 runs better on my PC than UT3 Black does.
Can someone explain what Hubs are? Because the game kinda doesn't. Do I enter a hub to get a bunch of servers? Or what?
>>335250489
quake for 1v1
ut for other game modes, CTF is fun as fuck in every UT
>>335263617
God I love screen space reflections.
Even if you can tell it fucks up and isn't accurate, just having shit move on a surface like that is great. Much better than those accurate shaders that double the fucking draw calls of any scene.
Pic related, OpenMW engine for Morrowind, new water shader drops my framerate by 30%. They're going to optimise shit but they want to finish gettings all the other features done first.
has anyone played ut4 at 4k?
>>335263828
Thanks for proving you not only didn't play it but also can't read.
UT4 is incredibly well optimized and has options that allow you to tweak all visual aspects, draw distance included.
It literally works on toasters where UT3 would lag.
>>335260191
because i'm mediocre at fps and it's got like five players in my entire country
>>335263953
UT4 makes running around in empty maps fun, just figuring out what the hell you can pull off. Has anyone here ever managed to make it from the sniper rifle to the scaffolding with the shield belt on chill yet?
quake was always my jam
but the current 'official' version of quake has fucking loadouts, whereas the current 'official' version of unreal is actually good
>>335263937
not that guy but,
>arena fps
>lower the draw distance
you should honestly not want good graphics when it comes to arena fpses.
lower everything for max fps.
>>335264046
Hubs are basically official collection of servers, as Hub has a few servers you can join.
They're official dedicated servers and they don't run any custom content.
Basically they're there so you can quickly get a game on official settings with no custom shit.
And then you've got (Custom) Servers tab where everything goes.
>>335264096
tell me how do you manage to hit anything while constantly jizzing your pants, anon
>>335264096
no but i just came from a game of facing worlds on UT4 and it was fucking glorious
>>335263828
UE4 has a bunch of default materials and shit so you can just jack off onto a heighmap, paint some background stuff, then tell it to reflect like realistically using PBR and it'll look pretty damn good.
Other than that waterfall most of it is scribbling on a heighmap and setting waterlevel.
>>335264096
>playing an arena shooter
>not 144hz
>>335263828
i can max out UT4 at 1080p, at a constant 60fps, and i only have a GTX770. game is really well optimized
>>335263828
>What happens then when they come up with bigger maps? People are going to expect them to have the same detailed distant landscapes but because the maps are bigger, maybe your current rig won't run it so good anymore so you have to upgrade.
Or maybe it will play them just fine. On a modern game engine with a modern computer, stuff like big maps and distant landscapes are fucking cheap. Drawing millions of polygons and applying textures can be done in a tiny fraction of a second, this isn't the days of Voodoo2s flying off shelves just to see texture filtering in GLQuake. It's particles and physics that give the biggest draw in games now, and usually that's where optimization falls apart.
That map could be one mile wide or a hundred and any framerate hit would be so small as to be inconsequential.
>>335260191
is it on Steam?
>>335264437
No but it's fucking free
>>335264096
My 780 Ti can't do it so no I haven't.
I can run most of the maps in 2880x1620p but some of them like Pistola drop below 60 so I prefer to run in 2560x1440 for silky smooth perfect 60 FPS.
>>335263245
On the proviso that they nailed the atmosphere and aesthetics of the original game, I'd love a new single player set on Na Pali.
The tech is there to do the more open world they originally planned, where essentially the canyons were more interconnected and so on. Bulk out some intervening villages and towns a bit and you could have something incredible.
