Basic Bitch Summary: It's the best Star Fox in years with great replay value, but with the crippling steep difficulty curve of learning Gyro Controls
>>335151902
>gyro
>steep difficulty curve
Are you 50 or something
>>335151902
>This controls are too hard
TL;DR - you need to GIT GUD
I believe you, op. Just waiting for my copy to get here
>Out for delivery
If the controls are like splatoon's then it's ok
Holy fuck all these people incessantly saying shit like "there's nothing wrong with motion controls just git gud grandpa :^)" are so annoying.
It's never a bad thing for a game to try new things, but they should be optional. I really hope the controls aren't that difficult to adjust to. I don't even use them in Splatoon.
>>335151902
So how do you defend the game being 3 hours long
>>335154647
It's twice as long as 64
>>335151902
You're forced to use gyro controls? Fucking seriously?
Is it just me or are the difficulty of controls by mainstream reviewers have been extremely over-exaggerated? Sure they do take some time getting used to, but the learning curve isn't that bad. Hell, I'd even say that the controls add so much to the game to make it feel really unique.
>>335151902
>It's the best Star Fox in years
It's the only star fox in years
>>335151902
>steep difficulty curve of learning Gyro Controls
wow kill yourself you fucking crippled retard.
>>335155017
Sounds like it. Easy allies barely mentioned the controls, but they actually play and like games.
>>335154843
>you are forced to input command for special moves? seriously?
>you are forced to roll to avoid attacks? seriously?
>you are forced to use a keyboard and mouse? seriously?
G
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how is the banter between the characters? any memorable lines?
>>335155376
Gyro controls are an unnecessary gimmick, don't act like it even compares to those things.
>>335155376
They had gyro controls on the remake of 64. They had to make am easy mode called gyro mode because gyro is retarded unless it's your only option.
>>335151902
>TFW have to wait 5 more hours to go pick up my copy from FUCKING GameStop.
>TFW I have to work tomorrow as well.
Is the final boss that's being shown all over Youtube actually the final boss, or is there another route? Because if that's it, that's kinda disappointing.
>>335156158
That's it. All the routes converge on chickenwalker metalface.
game is TRESH
>>335154498
>but they should be optional
Why?
>in years
yea because they havent made shit in years
>difficulty of gyro controls
more like utter shit controls forced into a shit outdated game to justify their shit outdated console's gimmicky waggle controller
>with great replay value
>>335158005
Why are you so salty that people actually like the game despite what the shitposters were saying for the last 2 days
>>335155406
The banter is similar to the anime
>>335156427
I wont believe this until I see someone getting all the medals
>>335157875
Because as Reggie said during the reveal that with the Wii we played lots of a games together but with the Wii U they focus on "U" the gamer. Gamers like to have options so this goes against that whole speech.
>>335158867
Getting all the medals unlocks the amiibo arwings.
>>335151902
My only worry was 100% in 3 hours.
>>335158981
Nope I wont believe it, all vids of the final level just say mission complete instead of accomplished
Where is the accomplished version?
The gyro controls are shit. They worked fine in Splatoon but they're complete shit in SF0.
And fuck the chicken walker.
>>335159110
Mission accomplished in Venom is by shooting down Andross during the escape
>>335151902
Honestly, after playing Splatoon it feels weird using sticks. It's not as if gyro is hard to learn though.
>>335159306
Explain why he turns into a robot then
Andross is not a robot
There is a real final boss in the game
>>335155017
Frankly, I never listen to people about controls, unless they can point out major objective demonstrable issues with them, and even then I'd rather play and judge for myself.
Usually all I hear is some empty shit like "it feels awkward" or "it feels slippery" or "it feels stiff".
People have trouble pinning anything down, instead complaining about feelings, and the issues they have are often self-created, or come from the "Why doesn't it control exactly like everything else? I'm too lazy to learn something different" mindset.
And then I play a lot of these games and have no issue whatsoever and find the controls suit the gameplay well.
>System Shock
>Kid Icarus Uprising
>most things with tank controls
Fuck complaints about controls, not just in just in Star Fox Zero, but in general.
I'm tired of hearing them.
fug 4 more hours to go and I can play this shit.
>>335159385
SNES Andross was a robot
When you're escaping and James flies in to distract Andross, you shoot the back of his head and get a mission accomplished and that's it. No secret boss. No hard route.
>>335159580
SNES Andross was a regular ape
He was inside the cube inside the metal face, the cube isa ship used for protection just like the mask
If you depend on sticks to the point where you refuse to play a game without them, you're a fucking retard who is awful at video games.
>>335159702
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpdhGlySwH4
Starting at 3:13:00
Even Star Fox 64 3D didn't force feed it's Gyro Controls. It was an option.
One I wish they kept for Zero.
I get that this isn't Star Fox 64, but options are nice to have, especially when you have a difficult time playing like this.
>>335159867
Did he beat the game after getting all medals?
>>335159867
> this video does not show the collectibles, and the collectibles are quite a few,
Nice try
100% the game then go through the final stage
Only then Id be satisfied
I've only just got my first mission accomplished and it was on sector β. I have the sneaking suspicion that you always do for some reason too. feels like I should have gotten one on Zoness
>Just beat the game
"Thia game is dedicated to our wingman who fell in battle."
Holy fuck. Iwata. I'm fucking tearing up.
>>335151902
>steep difficulty curve of learning Gyro Controls
Splatoons was pretty quick to learn and I've been playing Mario Kart with motion controls for close to a decade now. Will it still be hard to adjust to?
>>335160537
>make a tribute to iwata
>put it in this game
This feels kind of insulting
>>335160596
Oh shut the fuck up.
>>335160584
Yes. This game is literally impossible to control.
>>335160596
This was the last game Iwata was involved with at the announcement by the way you worthless faggot.
>>335154498
>I don't even use them in Splatoon.
I dunno shit about Star Fox but this triggers me. They are objectively much better.
How the fuck do you kill that Andross faggot? I shot at his face after killing his hands and he got stun or something like that, so I thought I had to go inside of his mouth or something, and I blew up.
>>335155017
>are the difficulty of controls by mainstream reviewers have been extremely over-exaggerated?
It's weird why they're focusing on that one particular flaw, because it's giving all the shitposters ammo for disregarding reviews on the basis of "IT WORKS FOR ME GIT GUD".
Since modern journos have obviously never played Star Fox before, they're ignoring all the other reasons why Zero-Out-of-Ten is such a piece of shit, like the last-gen graphics, framerate drops, no multiplayer outside of the co-op shit, no good completion rewards, the uninspired VA and soundtrack, and the overall ho-hum plot.
>b-b-but it's longer than 64 was!
19 years and 3 console generations should result in a game that's SIGNIFICANTLY longer than the game it's rehashing. Zero's length also comes from a large amount of padding, like the stupid Gyro Wing segments.
>>335160824
I played Splatoon for about 6 hours one day and fucking hated every second of it. I gave it a fair shot but jesus christ that shit is not that great. Returned it the very next day.
>>335154498
>I don't even use them in Splatoon.
Why the fuck would you do that to yourself? Gyro controls are great, you massive faggot.
>>335160991
Of course you did, you were playing it wrong, you idiot. USE THE GYRO AND THE STICKS FOR FUCKS SAKE.
>>335154498
>I don't even use them in Splatoon.
Unless you're using a scope sniper gun, everyone can tell. Using sticks instantly makes you a shitter that no one wants on their team.
I thought they delayed this game to make it better. Glad I only rented it.
>>335152240
Could just be a dig at game '''''''''journalists''''''''
>>335160991
Of course you hated it, you stick-wrangling mongoloid
It's not a good game.
It isn't because of motion controls and the length, either.
>>335160537
>I'm fucking tearing up.
oh fuck off no you aren't
>>335152615
>>335161214
How isn't it a good game?
>damage control shills trying to pretend the garbage, practically non-functional controls are just "hard"
This is sad
>>335160991
Cool, I don't give a fuck. Gyro controls are a hundred times better though.
>>335160684
I'll find out tonight for myself. Twin Sticks is easily the 2nd worst form of aiming behind only N64 FPS
>>335161559
>shitposters trying to pretend that game journalist are worth listening to
Back to rebbit with you
I bought the copy of starfox zero, and now I'm still trying to decide if I buy Guard or not, anyone here played?
>>335151902
>tfw your copy is still out for delivery.
It's almost time.
>>335161306
If I had to pinpoint the main problem, it would be rhythm.
A lot of the levels often waste themselves in uninteresting "alternative" gameplays like Zoness or the All-Range Mode phases which are drastically a lot slower than the normal shooting gameplay, which is actually pretty decent (the new Fortuna is one of the highlight of the games). Instead of trying to incorporate said gimmicks into the main game or somewhat limiting them (64 had less of them and in the levels dedicated to it, the area would be a lot shorter to make sure the action was packed), they detract from it and end up being downright obnoxious.
The bosses are a perfect exemple of this, it's mindblowing how slow they are to fight. The best exemples would be the huge drone on the ice planet I forgot the name : you shoot the leg joints, go on the back, shoot the weak points, return, shoot the other leg joints, go on the back, shoot the weak points, return, shoot the leg joints, go on the back, shoot the core a bit, return etc It's simply not interesting to play. Even the carrier boss from Corneria in 64 rehashed in Sector Omega is a lot more tedious as you spend a huge chunk of the fight turning around waiting for the weak points to open. Same for Andross itself.
The replayability is also a lot less interesting than 64 which had actual alternative roads which would lead to other levels and another ending (Hard Route). Here, the "alternative roads" are just short roads that mostly leads to a mini-boss with a timer. They were sprta clever with the space base one where you have an entirely new road with Andrew being shocked that you're here, but the game doesn't do anything with it, and eventually you're still stuck with the normal shit-tier Venom at the end of the game. The replayability mainly comes from medals, but a lot of the levels just aren't very fun to play.
I unlocked every level and I got bored through the entirety of it. Not interested in 100% in the slightest.
The gyro controls are kinda wonky, but the game tries its best to help you practice them.
You can clumsily make your way though the game, but if you want gold medals, all
collectibles, and efficient times, you best learn to use the gyro and 2nd screen efficiently.
>>335151902
>3 hours at most to get 100%
>no Expert Mode
>piss easy
>no multiplayer except half-assed co-op mode
>Arcade Mode is literally just SF64 mode instead of level select
>no alternate final boss
>60$
>>335162221
I see, thank you very much. Guess I'll have to give my buddy's copy a play before buying it then.
>>335162540
Shitposting is one hell of a drug. No wonders both partaking are idiots.
>>335162221
Post your copy then.
HELP
>>335161230
You're right, i shed just one tear down my left cheek. Not for the game but for a man i truly respected. Now fuck off back to your hole worm.
>>335161257
why is he eating pinecones
>>335154498
>Tfw made it to S-89 without gyro controls
Feels good.
>>335162540
>>3 hours at most to get 100%
>>no multiplayer except half-assed co-op mode
>>Arcade Mode is literally just SF64 mode instead of level select
keep the meme down a little would ya
>>335162991
Carbon shitter detected
>>335162991
How does it feel being a shitter?
>>335162862
We get it, you want to fuck that anthro lady and her exposed midriff
>>335163096
He can't. Someone is enjoying a video game he doesn't like on a console he didn't buy. It is a grevious and personal affront to his wellbeing.
>>335163152
exposed midriffs make my dick diamonds yo
Am I the only one getting framedrops in space?
>>335163106
Custom Splattershot Jr actually. When you realise everyone in S rank will either squid to the left or start jumping, they may as well just line up for you when you land the disruptor.
>>335163359
just like 64 lad
This thread in a nutshell:
>I really don't like the motion controls even if you can slightly turn them off in flight
>"GIT GUD IDIOT"
>they don't need to be there. 64 >was fine without them
>"G-GIT GUD DUMB BITCH"
>I've gotten used to the controls, but I would've enjoyed the game more without them
>"GIIIIIIT GUUUUUUD STUPID FACE"
>>335151902
>Its a Gyrowing mission
>>335163419
don't forget superior cornerian women
>>335163149
Pretty fuck good, especially since I don't have to spaz around and can git gud while using controller settings I'm comfy with.
>starfox 64
>at its release one of the most gorgeous and technically impressive games of all time
>starfox zero
>looks like bland shit even for a wii u game
what the fuck happened
>>335162767
You don't need to be so defensive every time someone criticize a game you like.
How hard do you think Miyamoto is getting chewed out, right now?
The gyro controls aren't hard to learn, they're just really awkward. Playing the game seems like a chore rather than fun. I enjoy the game for the parts where gyro isn't forced though
So why should I play this when I can just pick up 64 3D and play that right now?
>>335163512
Nintendo knows fans will by their games at any price no matter how much effort is put into them.
>>335154498
>I don't even use them in Splatoon.
I respect your choice for sticks, but going for sticks only will just limit yourself from being good.
you can literally just set the gyro controls to reset each time you stop shooting and if you hold your fucking hands somewhat still while shooting it plays exactly like every other Starfox
>>335163512
Good graphics take more money to make, you realize that little fact right
>>335163505Fair enough.
>>335163583
>20h43
A brit, i should have know. Opinion discarded
Is Starfox and Metroid dying going to be enough for Nintendo to realize to stop shoving gimmicks down our throat.
>>335154498
You sound like a journalist. Why not actually play squid kids?
>>335160824
>>335161029
>>335161113
>/v/ never, ever talks about splatoon except for squidgirl porn
>suddenly all these "lol gyro in splatoon is awesome" posts
Could you shills BE any more obvious?
>>335163595
Barely. He probably think it's a misunderstood masterpiece and every employee has to agree.
>>335154498
Holy fuck all these people incessantly saying shit like "there's something wrong with motion controls I can't git gud grandpa :^)" are so annoying.
The game is great so far but holy fuck the walker is retarded using motion controls and sticks at the same time simply is so naturally why did Miyamoto have to force this shitty idea so hard? I can already tell I'm going to hate all the walker sections
>>335161559
The same happened to dark souls.
>>335163752
You can create a visually pleasing aesthetic even without technical (and expensive) prowess
It's just not a good looking game. Splatoon looks infinitely superior despite a much smaller budget.
>>335163620So you can get mad about it.
>>335163789
Please learn time zones, thank you
>>335163876
*NOT NATURAL
>>335163876
You have to use the Walker for the final boss. I agree this shit was a mistake.
Games pretty good.
I've been playing it this afternoon, and had a good blast.
I find the game pretty challenging. I've died quite a lot, especially on the bosses. There a bit to get used to regarding the controls. I find full motion a bit overwhelming, but setting gyro to aim only when shooting improves a lot.
I'm on Andross right now and he's pretty tough. You have to be fast shooting his hands, since his attacks come much quicker than before, and his grab does a ton of damage. Getting out of his blast and laser attack isn't too bad but constantly switching screens to dodge everything is quite tough. Satisfying when you pull it off though.
Can't wait to get the method to beat him down pat. Can't wait to unlock other levels and try out different paths. So far it's pretty much a solid, faithful sequel to 64.
I'd say in an afternoon I've improved to the point where I can handle Star wolf by myself without much of a sweat. So the complaint ts about the controls aren't as bad as they make out.
Also medals unlock training challenges.
>>335155549
Using a penis to make babies is also an unnecessary gimmick, but nobody complains about that.
>>335163986
Yes, you are a brit, or some other western europe brownblood.
>>335159425
Sometimes they were shit. Especially on the first Wii. I agree that sometimes people are just lazy faggots who don't like leaving their comfort zones. Splatoon was terrific. I wouldn't want it without the motion controls. It's an excellent example of how motion controls can actually make the game better.
>>335163852
Can you try a little harder next time?
>>335158005
The only thing you seem to know how to say is "shit". Please go get some intelligence.
>>335163297
What really? Someone drew an extra from this special?
Unless this is your work anon
>>335164078
Indeed. Some animals aren't so fortunate. It makes reproduction objectively easier.
>>335163876
I dont know why they mapped barrel roll to tilting the right stick for the walker. Every time I try to turn I do a barrel roll. Seems pretty redundant to have that there in addition to the dodge which is done with the stick + ZL, especially since you can't turn one off.
>>335163446
Fuck the Gyrowing. Every mission that uses it is so damn boring, just flying around "hacking" panels. I don't know why Nintendo is so hesitant to just make Star Fox a full on rails shooter. Seems like they're always set on adding unnecessary bullshit that no one asked for.
>>335164006
I'd also like to mention my right hand cramps up quite a bit after a few levels.
But I'm not sure if it's due to the controls, or just the overall tenseness of trying not to die.
(I'm also a leftie)
>>335159425
Oh look at that. No replies.
>>335163852
/vg/
>>335163852
You clearly weren't there. A good third of early splatoon posts were of people fighting over the gyro controls and eventually all agreeing that they were better than using the sticks.
>>335154498
>>335164090
>i have to find some way to justify this shit game so i can defend this company that will not stop shitting on its customers
>>335164192
it isn't but damn I'm happy someone did
Hopefully Nintendo learns from this and the next Star Fox game doesn't have any of these shitty gimmicks. That is, if there is a next Star Fox game.
>>335162991
>Getting anywhere near S rank without gyro
Lies.
>>335164242
How hard is 4chan to use while blind ? i always wondered how you guys did it
>>335163852
Go to Splatoon general and ask if sticks are better than gyro. Post your results here after.
>>335159425
Red Steel had OBJECTIVELY terrible controls.
>>335164006
"These controls aren't terrible but sticking with the simple analog stick would have been better" is a perfectly valid complaint.
It you deviate from the standard just to deliver a worse experience, that's an objective flaw.
Gyro doesn't add anything. It's not more precise, it's not more convenient, it's not more fun. Why is it in the game?
>>335161230
Yes I am you contrarian piece of garbage.
>>335164254
Only because the sticks are trash because the X and Y axes have different sensitivities. They're literally forcing gyro controls by making the alternative garbage.
fuck werk senpai. I want to go play this pile of shit now.
>>335164283
>A mudblood bongistani is trying to fit in
Shouldn't you be with you fat greasy friends raping kids?
It's 9 o'bong
>>335164441
>Gyro doesn't add anything. It's not more precise, it's not more convenient
You can just admit you haven't actually played any game with gyro anon.
>>335164540
I was talking about Starfox Zero. It doesn't add anything here.
I think it's was a worthwhile addition in Skyward Sword, there's fun and interesting things with the gyor in there.
>>335164256
jesus christ how horrifying
>>335164540
He isn't wrong. It's not easy to get used to, and its easy to frustrate people.
The biggest flaw with the controls is not gyro itself, but the mapping for certain
actions makes it seem more frustrating than it should be.
>>335164337
There won't be.
You might get a newKid Icarus.
Or better yet, a port.
>>335164346
>Wait for Rainmaker and use CSJ
>Wait for Tower Control and use LBN
>Wait for Splat Zones and use Dynamo
ezpz
>>335151902
>the best Star Fox in years
well shit, with star fox adventures command and battlefront, that's quite a feat
Can't wait for the ISO dump so I can objectively trash this without having to waste $60 on it
Thank god for Loadiine
>>335164951
Adventures is a actually a bretty good Zelda clone
Starfox sections are hot garbage though
>>335164401
>go to splatoon general
Nope.
>/v/ now defends motion control gimmicks
What happen
I heard you can play every mission co-op, is that true?
>>335165117
Wii U stockholm syndrome happened.
>>335151902
>best starfox in years
yeah because all of the games have been garbage. You're getting a slightly less shitty game than the previous ones, good job
>>335164002
Fucks sake this is assault if it were much better overall.
I've waited since 64 for a proper Star Fox at least the Arwing is great
>>335165058
Yeah, i guess you don't want to admit defeat. It's fine, we already all know you are an idiot
>>335165054
It's a shitty Zeldaclone with a sidekick more annoying that Navi could ever hope to be and so many shitty pickups that grind gameplay to a halt with their long and slow pickup animations that's it's a fucking miracle anyone ever finished it.
the sheer amount of Defence Force for Nintendo's IP's shows how utterly stupid the company is, they're willing to die with the ship and yet Nintendo treats them all as unwanteds and deliberately tries to sabotage the fan culture to "protect ip" any other company would kill to have them.
>>335165117
Every other game with gyro aiming happened, and every time had all but a few detractors praising it.
>>335165117
In fairness, a pointing device would be great for a game like this, like the Wiimote.
See Sin and Punishment 2.
Why they didn't include that as an option is baffling.
>>335165117
They stopped using it for waggle and started using it for aiming, like it fucking should have been in the first place.
>>335164346
I never used Gyro and got ranked A+ stopped playing before the S rank patch
Fuck gyro controls I'm sick of it being forced so much it's not natural at all I've been playing games since I was a baby moving the controller and the sticks is NOT normal
>>335165332
it would have been perfect in splatoon too
>>335165250
Hi Arin
>>335165240
What you're saying is like go to /mlp/ and ask if being a brony is socially acceptable for an adult male
Gee I wonder what kind of response I'm going to get.
Regardless, analog controls in splatoon are shit only because nintendo has never made a FPS before and they have no acceleration, nor will let you adjust the x and y axis independently. they clearly made the game for gyro and then tacked on analog controls without having any idea how to make analog controls for an fps work.
This doesn't mean gyro is good, it just means it's better than their poor implementation of analog. No one picks gyro because it's fun, they pick it because it's necessary
>>335164207
>Seems like they're always set on adding unnecessary bullshit that no one asked for.
>>335165391
It's fine if you are bad, anon, we won't juge you much.
>>335165240
Lol why the fuck are you so defensive? That guy wasn't even me, I was simply stating splatoon general is shit. No one should give a shit what those faggots think
t./ink/ resident
>>335163446
>tfw you can visit zoness with an arwing and it's a million times better
>>335165523
So, again, thank you for showing your lack of brain
>>335165523
Are you seriously defending twin sticks for FPS right now
Do you have to use the gamepad/gyro controls? Can I just use a pro controller instead?
>>335165428
No, it wouldn't.
If the chuck stick is mapped to up, down, strafe left, strafe right, which it would be, then your only option for turning is holding the pointer near the edges of the screen, which is awkward.
It's better in some respects because at least you can pinpoint aim at the things that are in front of you, but it has drawbacks.
>>335165463
Is that his opinion? How about that.
Anyways I thought that ever since I bought it on release seeing as I was following development ever since it was called Dinosaur Planet and headinf for N64. Boy what a fucking disappointment.
Only redeeming factors are truly amazing graphics at the time and that snow-jetski minigame.
>>335165646
Are you seriously defending forced motion controls in a rail shooter?
>>335151902
>It's the best Star Fox in years
Command was released nearly a decade ago.
>>335165886
Nope.
Please answer the question.
>>335162871
Yeah Balloon Fight was really great.
You fucking nincompoop, it's been nearly a year since the bitch became worm food, get over it.
>>335160125
100% of the campain mode.
>>335162221
Thanks for the coherent writeup. It's much appreciated despite what shitposters would have you believe.
>>335165646
it's comfier than swinging a brick around
I'd argue that FPS games are shit without a KBM, period
>>335166009
Well regardless of how well everyone accepts the gyro controls or not, at least Zero can't possibly kill the series worse than Command did.I hope
>>335151902
>It's the best Star Fox in years
That's not too hard to accomplish when there hasn't been a new Star Fox in years, and the latest tittles range from putrid garbage, to mediocre.
I still don't buy /v/'s shitposts though. The average userbase here is dumb as fuck, and they will just parrot whatever as long as they can shit on Nintendo.
I'm still hyped because there is finally a new Star Fox game that is not shit.
I've never played a rail shooter before and managed to not only master the controls in an hour, but also learn how rail shooters play.
What is your excuse?
>>335166304
I actually liked the gameplay of command
>>335151902
>It's the best Star Fox in years
You got that right.
>average review score of 7/10
>bad game
since when is 7/10 a bad score? sure it's nothing revolutionary but it's still fun.
>>335162991
So you expelled extra effort and crippled yourself...
>>335166363
$60 for 3 hours is a rip off
>>335166397
You're a weird person, you weirdo.
>>335166129
Consoles don't have many options in terms of peripherals, yet. Obviously KB+M is the ideal control scheme. Twin sticks was the best you could do with a standard controller. There are alternatives now, but they are not liked by all.
Forcing a control scheme is asinine for any game.
>>335166494
>3 hours
?
>>335166454
7 means not good so it's shit
Also Starfox 64 is an 88
>>335166454
modern games journalists don't give games less than 6 unless it's literally unplayable because of bugs and shit
on a 6-10 scale, 7 is the same as 2/5 -- below average
>>335166610
I find it sad that this applies to only certain reviewers, but they prominent enough that metacritic actually changed their shit
>>335166272
Motion is objectively better than twin sticks. You're using your actual limbs without some kind of digitally defined speeds to aim. It's much closer to a mouse for that reason than sticks could ever get.
Stop being a fucking casual, or at least stick to PC
>>335166602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpdhGlySwH4
>>335154102
Throw is the comparison that makes the most sense but nobody is making it.
>picked up sfz
>don't need to use motion controls at all
I fucking hate reviewers so much. Only reason to use gyro is to aim anywhere while flying in a straight line, otherwise it plays like 64. Fuck the vidya industry so much
>>335166738
>Motion is objectively better than twin sticks.
t. Nintendo fanboy
>>335166272
The motion controls are more about slight and quick adjustments. Combined with a right analog stick it's amazing
>>335166494
Whoop, changed subjects there awful fast m8
>>335166770
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IF1wlJrh4Kc
>>335166738
Being more accurate does not mean "better". It merely means more accurate. It is also more awkward to play and thus less fun.
Gyro is a poor substitute for a mouse. If you really want to argue for precision, then you should be demanding Nintendo make a game that supports pointer devices, because gyro is a fucking joke next to them.
>>335166962
>comparing any% to 100% lol
>>335166962
$60 for 1.5 hours is ridiculous
>>335157875
Because PC has had options for over 30 years now.
Options are good.
>>335166962
It wasn't a speedrun.
>>335166518
>Forcing
You can use twin sticks in splatoon, of you want to be bad.
Based on this logic, should I start complainig about Playstation shooters that don't let me aim with the six-axis gyro? I wouldn't want them to force a shitty setup like twin sticks.
>>335166475
Better than using janky as fuck shitty controls. I'd rather git gud with what is comfortable than go full-on tryhard.
The gyro controls are not an issue, but the camera often is during all range mode because it assumes "oh lel they can just look at the controller" and switching between looking at either screen while also having to manage motion controls that can often un-centre themselves is an annoyance in some sections.
Rail shooter sections I honestly have no complaint about, and in fact one of my biggest issues is that it doesn't have enough and spends too much time on other stuff.
>>335166834
Leave your shit console war at home
>>335167068
The Zero one wasn't 100%. But you already knew that.
>>335167121
You took not than an hour and a half to finish DaS3? You're bad at the game.
>>335166770
>claims 100%
>isn't actually 100%for real though why are you shilling a shitter that doesn't even know what 100% means
>>335166962
>Practiced any % speedrun compared to a literal 100% casual play through
>great replay value
>braindead alternate paths that unlock when you beat a stage once
>only 3 hours to 100%
hmmm
>still no ISO upload
Hurry up and dump it you fucks, surely you've all completed it by now. I'm not paying 40 bongs for this shit.
>>335167139
I can't turn them off in Star Fox.
Reminds me of Lair. Remember that?
>>335167239
>practiced
Literally a few days after release.
Still pathetic.
>>335166969
>Being more accurate does not mean "better".
I don't even need a response to this. I think I'll screencap it.
>>335167237
It's a 100% CAMPAIN walkthrough. The guy explains it it the comments while replying to the exact same thing you just said.
>>335154498
I agree with you, man. Fuck all these idiots. The player should always be given a choice. Imagine if Mario 64 DS only had touch controls.
There is literally no negative to giving players more control options in ANY game. Find me a reason. I dare anyone.
>>335167139
But six-axis gyro is legitimately shit.
>>335160991
This is the equivalent of insisting on using controllers over a mouse and keyboard for an FPS on PC
>>335167379
Okay then that DaS3 run is a 100% CAMPAIN run.
>>335167290
I don't give a fuck about Star Fox. I haven't played it and have no opinion on it.
>>335167356
Stylus controls would have been even more accurate than gyro controls. Does that mean touch pad is better? Accuracy isn't everything when it comes at the sacrifice of other things, like mobility and comfort
By saying it's better you're saying it's greater in every way, when really what you're saying is it's simply more accurate. You should really say what you mean.
>>335166827
I think the problem is that they try too hard to aim constantly.
Once I focused on the flying and positioning more than the aiming, the game controlled better.
Definitely go with motion controls only when shooting, then all you need to do is shoot in the general direction and fine tune the aim, and for a particularly accurate shot quickly glance down and adjust.
You can totally do fly-by shootings this way. Especially when in all range mode.
It also doesn't help to hold the lock on button constantly. If anything it's better to do only to find out where something is relative to you or you are trying to dodge.
>>335167432
Like twin sticks in splatoon. Do you see my point?
>>335167235
>literally says 100% in the title
>>335166770
Star Fox Zero - 100% Walkthrough - All Secret / Alternate Routes, All Secret Bosses, All Gold Medals (Main Game Guide - All Collectibles): http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLn8dIoebjX4ewX8GqnWp6D9iaHQWyWujb
It's more like 10 hours+, and its ongoing.
>>335155119
I was just about to say this.
>>335167570
>Stylus controls would have been even more accurate than gyro controls. Does that mean touch pad is better?
I don't know that it would have been, but if it was, yes
>Accuracy isn't everything when it comes at the sacrifice of other things, like mobility and comfort
Yes it is. Stop being casual.
>>335167462
No, the DS3 speedrun doesn't kill every bosses and doesn't do the hidden area. The Star Fox walkthrough doest that.
>>335167596
Yeah I noticed, these controls are super fucking simple. I really really hate people.
>>335167682
MGS5: Ground Zeroes can also last a long time if you do the extra shit. Come on, son.
>>335167613
It's part of a playlist, shitposter. The first part of the run is unlocking all the routes.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLn8dIoebjX4ewX8GqnWp6D9iaHQWyWujb
Anything else?
>>335167258
Yeah, I'm just going to wait until a used copy turns up at Gamestop and return it for a full refund before the week is over if I don't like it.
>>335167235
>The Zero one wasn't 100%
Literally in the description:
>During this walktrough I'll be taking all alternate/secret routes in the main game, picking up every medal there is to collect, fight every boss the main game has to offer and collect every item that counts towards a 100% complete main game campaign.
>>335167823
Then without doing that it wouldn't be a 100% run would it.
>extra shit
Unlocking all the routes isn't finishing the game. By your stupid logic, GZ would be 100%d after finishing the first mission.
>>335167258
>3 hours to 100%
That's bullshit, it took me 4 hours to beat it.
>>335167208
Man, you really fucking hit the nail on the head.
I feel like I've played one rail shooter stage and everything else has been the fucking walker, gyrocopter, and the landmaster once. I fucking hate the walker so goddamn much, any novelty it has is crippled by how shit it is to control.
>>335162540
Funny how all the shitposters are using 3 hours when the video is 3:43mins long
>>335168024
Continue reading, retard. That video is unlocking the routes, and the rest of the 100% playlist has the rest of it.
You've basically linked part 1 of a walk through and claimed it contains everything.
>>335167757
Literally the control I had the hardest time adapting to was doing a somersault and that's mostly because I'm used to 64's C-stick way of doing it and jamming the sticks with the wrong timing makes you do weird stuff, but even then it has a button shortcut.
And turning quickly I will admit. It's kind of hard to do. There's probably a way to fast turn but I haven't quite figured it out yet.
>The gyrocopter
I TRIED TO GIVE IT THE BENEFIT OF A DOUBT
HOW THE FUCK DOES ANYONE FIND THIS FUN?
That mission was fucking dreadful, full of awkward flying and not Star Fox in anyway. I don't want to sneak around I want to shoot shit holy fuck this is as bad as Assualts on-foot sections if you enjoy the gyro mess your literally shitposting
>>335167258
>>335168158
See >>335167845
Shitposting used to mean something.
lel the stupid tower defense game is better than zero
playing both of them now
>>335167597
No because I'm not that guy. I like the gyro controls I've used on the Wii U and prefer them over dualstick. Six-axis is just awful like the pressure sensitive Dualshock 2 buttons.
>>335167379
>If you want to get all medals and collectibles in the game you got about 20+ hours of gameplay, and even more with the arcade mode and star fox guard :)
...You mean this? I'm really not getting your "CAMPAIN" (*campaign) distinction.
Regardless, most dolts here just looked at the video title and length and then proceeded to have an orgasm at all the shitposting they could accomplish. In reality according to the uploader himself it takes at least 7x longer than 3h to 100%.
>>335168251
>negative opinion about an obvious GOTY contender
Stop shitposting, sonypony, and go play more bloodborne and etc
>>335167208
>>335168170
Is this true? If it is, then it's enough of a dealbreaker for me. I have no interest in using the gyrocopter or the walker.
