A trilogy ended and a spin-off happened.
So how come this is still the best one?
Because it was untainted by the stench of PCucks
>>335118851
I can only see it being the best in terms of atmosphere, maybe.
>>335118851
Actually, there were two spin-offs.
But DeS was a pretty damn good game. In fact, they are all good games. So fuck off with this shit, OP.
>>335119297
Kinda agree with this. Everything else is vastly outclassed by sequels.
>>335119185
this
PCkeks and their deluded idea that souls is only good because it's 'hard'
>>335119528
It was also good at giving the player multiple paths to progress through at the start of the game, there are 5 different places to go. Other than that the other games are improvements
>>335119550
>implying "hard" meme didn't start with DeS
>>335119185
>>335119550
delusional fucktards. i played demons souls and bloodborne on a friends ps3 and ps4 respectively but otherwise only own a pc and i still think its the best one. maybe you should stop letting other people ruin your fun
Because it was the first one you played
>>335118851
Considering how similar DaS3 is to Demons Souls, Fromsoft seems to agree.
>>335119709
Uh...how? DaS1 was basically just DeS with an interconnected world.
>>335119650
It wasn't even that hard.
The meme really got traction when they fucking subtitled it "Prepare to die".
It may have been the most revolutionary, but honestly I don't see how dark souls isn't just the same game with better graphics and more content.
>>335119650
DeS was a literal masterpiece heralded for it's atmosphere, excellent level design and smart enemies. It wasn't until DaS's PC port that le hard meme appeared
>>335119820
>tfw PCucks ruined another great franchise
Game mechanics that changed the game world and game mechanics that changed your character make for true replayability.
Also has relatively fast gameplay so that the action never stops as you try to run to the end.
Straightforward level designs while having 5 worlds in total too.
Its like an arcade game in modern times and its good.
>>335119820
>DeS was a literal masterpiece heralded for it's atmosphere, excellent level design and smart enemies.
DeS was a neat little Japanese game. It had a small but enthusiastic audience. Completely niche.
>>335119820
Bullshit, one of the first things I ever heard anyone praising DeS for was its difficulty.
>>335118851
>So how come this is still the best one?
Lore-wise I agree, I love how some aspects are purposely left without a proper answer. Sadly it aged so badly I can't get back after Dark trilogy, With nostalgia glass it's still the best one, but the gameplay it's so clunky it makes me smile
>>335119185
>>335119550
>>335119820
>>335119892
>it's not good unless it's exclusive to my platform meme
I bet you assholes would turn on it in a hurry if it had ever been ported.
I liked Demon's Souls because it didn't have checkpoints like the bonfires, you just had a single level and you unlocked shortcuts as you progressed through, when you died you went all the way back to the start.
I don't know
It's your opinion, my man, ask yourself
>>335119820
>people seeking an exploit on Flamelurker because "2hard4me" meme
Add me, http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198098015701/
>>335119769
You clearly didn't actually play the games. The kinesthetics between DeS and DaS1 were completely different.
The most obvious difference is the increase in speed. DaS3 is about as fast as DeS (which was a shitton faster than DaS1/2, and only a bit slower than Bloodborne). Besides that there's the return to a hub world which is separated from the levels you can warp too, the most blatant Maiden in Black callback the series has ever seen, the decreased importance of armor, and so on. It's actually crazy how many callbacks it has to DeS, but most fans seems to miss it because they started with DaS1.
>>335120032
>a fucking 2009 game aged badly
i want this meme to die. demons souls isn't the best one in the series but it still holds up well, except for dark babbies who didn't play it first.
>>335120284
And unsurprisingly Dark Souls 3 is the best Dark Souls game which completely overshadows Dark Souls 1 and 2.
DeS is the best in atmosphere and music, maybe.
DaS3 put the bar fucking high with the princes theme, start menu theme and nameless king, and bloodborne deserves a mention for Ludwig - The holy blade alone, without even talking about any other song.
>>335120284
>It's actually crazy how many callbacks it has to DeS
This, even the stairs before the twin princes mirrored the start of 1-1. Last part of the last game in the series was a homage to the first part of the first game in the series
>>335118851
Remaster when? Seriously.
>>335118851
I still like this game's environments the best
DaS came close, but the latter half of the game is crap, DaS2 has no level design, and DaS3 is overdetailed and also very monotonous to look at
>>335120848
Remaster + Rebuilt Giant Archstone.
Make it happen FROM.
>>335121356
it amazes me that they keep shitting remasters like GoW or DCage's games that nobody wants yet leave this be.
>>335121356
Giant archstone isDS2
>>335118851
I miss giving hugs to Yurt.
>>335120284
>the decreased importance of armor
Only in the sense of rolling being heavily favoured. People largely forget that DeS had the most significant damage reduction through armour the Souls games ever had.
>>335118851
Is it worth buying still? Does it ever go on sale on PSN?
>>335122515
It was literally the best "free" game on PS+ for a long time. Don't know if it's still up, probably not.
Either way, buy it cheap because you're not paying for the multiplayer.
>>335119185
DELETE THIS
>>335121819
>People largely forget that DeS had the most significant damage reduction through armour the Souls games ever had.
Which didn't matter when stamina and rollspeed were far more valued than damage reduction. There's a reason the only PvP-viable armors were the ones with 0 stamina penalties.
>>335118851
The real question is:
>the series has become unbelievably popular
>especially compared to DeS's launch
>why hasn't there been a PS4 re-release?
I mean come on senpai if you're not going to let backward-compatibility be a thing at least let me pay you for the best games of last gen
>>335122641
PSN is literally the cheapest I can find it for, everywhere else its 30 bucks or more.
>>335118851
>So how come this is still the best one?
Bloodborne is the best one though.
>Play demons souls after das and BB
>rect 1-1 1-2 and 1-3
>delete the character and start a new game
>It fucks my shit up
What happened?
>>335118851It has Soul
>>335119185
Seriously, you guys are pathetic.
I own both a gaming PC and a PS3 and used to participate in the old DeS threads back in the day. I'm glad that the Souls series is available on PC so that more people can experience this great game.
This whole platform wars thing started out as friendly banter but it's gone way too far desu.
There was a thread earlier where they were saying that Totalbiscuit deserved to die of cancer because he was a PC gamer.
>>335120848
>>335122693
Are you serious
You can get PS3 for dirt cheap, and it has games unlike PS4
>mfw enjoying all the soulsborne games
>mfw watching people bicker about which one is better than the other, and how ds2 is "shit"
It's like being able to enjoy chocolate -and- vanilla, lads.
>>335123220
I don't want a PS3 for dirt cheap, anon.
I would like to run the game on the superior hardware that I currently own.
>>335120284
>tfw Storm Ruler
>Stockpile Thomas reference
>Adjudicator Shield is back
>"Twisted Souls"
>Firekeeper in general but especially her chant
>Irithyll Dungeon
>Farron Keep
>Evangelists are just a twist on Fat Ministers
>>335119650
Not really, people just realized that DeS wasn't a cakewalk and it was more challenging than your average RPG title, but they only started pushing the "IT'S SO HARD/ IMPOSSIBLE /DIFFICULT" with Dark Souls.And I do blame the PC trailer for that.
>>335119795
>>335119820
>>335123510
This is complete bullshit. Did you guys even play DeS at the time it was released or participate in the threads?
It was never intended to be as hard as it was but that was definitely a selling point for a lot of people. It earned that reputation with DeS and DaS capitalised on it with the tagline "Prepare to Die".
Flamelurker, those dual katana wielding skeletons, valley of defilement, etc... The game was pretty punishing for people who were used to tutorials and QTEs...
>>335120103
>PCtards didn't turn From into a meme developer
>>335123246
2 was just bad, all the others are fine
>>335120005
>while dark souls was praised for the high difficulty and its lore Demons Souls was shredded for the same reasons
>>335123773
>mfw watching people bicker about which one is better than the other, and how ds2 is "shit"No spoiler here.
>>335123731
can you read? It was good because it had everything. It wasnt good because it was "hard".
It's selling point never was "uber hardcore game"
>>335123731
Nigga there are tons of harder games in the ps3 alone. The DS stuff is pure memery that some fucks actually believe. They aren't easy and that's it, hardest thing about them is finding out how stuff like crafting and poise works.
>>335123731
Sure, but they didn't promote the game with the image of being SO HARD. This only started with Dark Souls.
>>335123906
True, that was never its selling point. But it quickly earned that reputation among the playerbase.
People seem to think that FROM just pulled the "Prepare to Die" tagline out of their ass. They were trying to capitalise on the fact that DeS was heralded as one of the hardest games of its generation.
>>335119185
DERETU DIS
>>335123963
No shit because Bandai Namco are the ones who advertise it as such, if they published Demon's Souls they would have probably done the same thing there too.
>Demon's Souls fags think their game is the best
>It's actually the most basic, has the least balance, lets players cheese anything with 99 grass, features more gimmick bosses than any other soulsborne game, world tendency is a clusterfuck forcing players to kill themselves to get the tendency they want, upgrade materials like pure blade stone are a mindless grind and the game is graphically ugly as shit
>But it's the best because atmosphere
>This atmosphere is just nostalgia and the boss music which was aimed at setting up moods for each boss because From couldn't afford to have an orchestra follow every boss around.
Replace the music with music from any of the other games and you'll realise the game is by far the weakest.
>>335123189
I do believe that PC communities are usually the worst., especially when it's ported games. I don't know why but it's true. That's when the whole DS crazy happened, the whole git gud shit that still plague us today and the stupid part of the fanbase was born.
>>335123510
>>335119820
>>335119795
>blaming from for the actions of Namco
Drink bleach.
>>335123731
This, I remember reading all about DeS in gaming mags and most of the reviews talked about how super hard it was.
I'm not saying the game was super hard or that it was good because people thought they were hard, but don't blame PC fags for starting the hard bullshit, because that started a long time before they got their hands on it.
>>335118851
Every Souls game has its own problems.
World Tendency in DeS is trash and poorly thought out, DaS has some bad locations and bosses, BB has Chalice Dungeons and DaS2 is fucked all the way through.
What's funny is, I never felt that any part of Bloodborne drags too much and it's enjoyable all the way through. I mean, every Souls game has a part I don't enjoy playing through at all. Like "fuck, I gotta do this part now". In DeS it's Valley of Defilement, in DaS it's Lost Izalith and Anor Londo in DaS2 it's well, the entire fucking game.
tl;dr none of these games are objectively best overall, except dor DaS2, which is shit. Haven't played DaS3 yet, but I heard it's way too easy.
>>335124124
Kill yourself.
wew
>>335123852
Now you've got me curious anon. Do you actually think DS2 isn't bad?
>>335124335
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>>335124289
>Valley of Defilement
This place killed my demon souls playthrought. I even killed maneaters and flamefaggot, but I just couldn't handle the swamp. Fuck swamps, no one likes this areas but they keep pushing them in our faces.
>>335124429
If you play souls games for the pvp it's the best in the series.
Hardest part of the game was the fucking CC.
Magic and Health builds wreck shit.
Moonlight Greatsword in DeS is the best version of the MG in an Souls game. Being able to fucking phase through enemy shields? Was FROM just fucking around?
Tenchu: Soul of Silence next
>>335124568
Wow. That's a very unique view of it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone in these threads say that DS2 has the best pvp. I kind of feel like you're baiting. The Soul restriction was a terrible idea in its own.Then again I really enjoyed being in the bell covenant on DS2
>>335122673
>caring about PvP
Even without poise, heavy armour in DeS was viable because you could facetank several hits from bosses. With light armour you'd be fucked when you got hit.
>>335118851
Because it's the first one so the one that is not deteriorated
>>335124663
I think they're referring to the actual mechanical PVP rather than the garbage matchmaking system
>>335124881
I kind of figured that, honestly, but what was exactly different about the PVP in DS2's mechanics? I guess I'll look it up. I just bull shit my way through pvp to make people mad so i never realize the mechanics.
>>335122693
Don't worry, I doubt that a re-release announcement don't happen in the next 2 years now
>>335124621
Ironically the MGS was fairly low-tier in DeS, because there were tons of OP weapons.
It had the best rapier in a souls game.
It had the best greataxe in a souls game.
It had the best katana in a souls game.
It had the best polearm in a souls game.
It had the best ultra greatsword (DBS) in a souls game.
It had the best straight sword (BBS) in a souls game.
Hell, it had the best offensive shield in a souls game (spiked shield). It's legitly usable in PvP.
>>335118851
It has the best overall level design and atmosphere in the series. There's not a single truly bad level in the game.
>>335119185
>>335119550
Dark Souls wasn't released on PC until well after consoles as an after thought, so you're obviously wrong.
>>335124663
Soul memory and the rat covenants were shitty however the rat should could be easily circumvented and everyone ended up in the same soul memory bracket anyway.
For the pro's however, it's the only game with an arena out of the box, moreso it has two different arenas with multiple unique layouts each. The sheer mass of content meant it was very easy to find a build that suited you and once you were in that highest memory bracket everyone had enough vit to use multiple weapons in each hand to counter whatever your opponent was using along with multiple spells in their slots.
This made each duel much more tactical than DS 1's backstab fests or 3's R1 spam to win fights.
In DS3 I don't ever expect players to come at each other with their ice rapier only for one to change to a parrying dagger and the other to swap to their unparryable great hammer. The combat is just too fast paced to allow it.
>>335118851
Just post the comics.
>>335121819
No, it didn't.
By Myazaki's own admission Armour was almost worthless in DeS by endgame because of your defenses gained by leveling. It mattered at the start but once you got to high levels just existing gave you more physical defense than any armour so the additional defense didn't make a huge impact.
They tried to fix this in DaS by letting you level up armour so that it improved with you. Then in BB/DaS3 they changed how armour worked so it's a % now, completly seperate from your inate defense stats so a 4.0 defense helm will ALWAYS decrease damage by 4% no matter what level you are.
Even still, Heavy armour was only ever worth it in DaS1 because poise was so good, DeS it was worth wearing whatever didn't make you fatroll, but leveling END just for equip load was dumb (but most people leveled it anyway for stamina).
In DaS2 and Das3 it's not worth leveling a stat just to wear something that will at best let you survive 1-2 more hits from a weak weapon.
>>335124971
Stunlocking people to death with a dagger, I guess.
If they do do a re-release on PS4 I hope they keep everything as it was. I don't want them adding more enemies and making other changes like they did when they brought Dark Souls 2 to PS4.
>>335125238
>>335123189
>There was a thread earlier where they were saying that Totalbiscuit deserved to die of cancer because he was a PC gamer.
I once said that and that was a few days ago, but I apologized. I apologize to you too if you take it personally on behalf of TB. But you are defending a man who told someone to get cancer and die, whi is openly ridiculed by many people, including PC gamers. My point in disliking him is that his attitude towards others is very disrespectful while he himself demands the greatest level of respect. To me it just feels like the PC mustards that likely come from leddit, and no not PC "gamers", act just like him. And no I also game on PC on top of having no problems playing on a TV screen or a handheld and even mobile.
>>335124621
>Kris knife
>clever rat
>red tearstone
>firestorm
Doing 10,000 damage has never felt so good.
>>335120664
Yeah I also noticed that - cool shit
>>335118851
Because the Demons' Souls meta story is deep.
the game tells you outright that many heroes and adventurers have come before you, but never finished what they came for (destroying the fog or summoning the old one) what hopes do you have to finish what they cant accomplish.
In fact the NPC heroes you meet will have stats higher than you can achieve.
This lies the genius of Demons' Souls meta. For all the stats the NPCs have, they are just ai scripts, while you have the best weapon of all, your human intellect and capability to learn.
You can learn patterns and stuff, and it is integrated to gameplay. You can see bloodstains to learn where other people died, you can see messages left by other people. You can talk to other people in forums and stuff discussing secrets and tips and whatnot
Unforturnately, all this meta story is replaced by "hur dur, prepare to die" meme propagated by Dark Souls
pic unrelated
This is the only game I want to play on PS3. Am I gonna buy a PS3 just for this? goddammit senpai what do
>>335123424
What Stockpile Thomas reference?
>>335126130
Pick up a PS3 for cheap, grab a few other exclusives. Worth it.
>>335119185
>>335118851
This fucking meme make my buy ps3. I play DaS1 and everybody on /v/ telling how good is DeS. I played it. I fineshed it. It utter shit.
>no world you can explore only handful of maps
>retarded loking bosses (just look at pic)
>no memorable npcs
>broken pvp
>easy as fuck bosses exept maybe 2 which was easily cheesed
>shitty lore
THis game inferior to Dark Souls in every aspect. But it ps3 eclusive and every retard with buyer's remorse praise this abortion of a game.Bloodborne was good tho
>>335124429
It not as good as DS1. But I don't call it a bad game.
>>335124291
>Kill yourself
KYS
>>335126130
Honestly if you're ever going to listen to anyone in /v/ about anything let it be this with fill confidence. Get Demon souls and a ps3 if you can. Don't fall for console wars meme and get the one you don't have because all consoles have fantastic exclusives. Demon souls is a must play. But beware as it is harder that dark souls. It's amazingly good
Demon's Souls was AS BALLIN' AS POSSIBLE.
>>335119185
Dumb Sonygger
openness from the start, atmosphere and online are the 3 things it does better than the rest. for everything else, the sequels are betterexcept dark souls 2 off course
Because it was your first one.
Each instalment feels a bit more shit.
DS3 is probably the best of the dark souls but I won't be playing in a second time because it was short and the same shit as every game.
The formula gets old.
>>335120960
DaS 3's environment and level design reminds me of Banjo Kazooie. Have you ever noticed the scale on those games? It's like they design levels like normal, and then stretch them to twice their normal size.
In DaS 3, everything feels too spacious. Too large. There's a lot of excess room.
Every game is disappointing in its own way.
DeS because it only has two or three good levels, everything else is the kind of filler stuff you find in transition areas of the other games.
DaS because it's unfinished and only the first third of the game is about exploring that great world.
DaS2 because... actually it's not very disappointing. Just the most average Souls game. It's DLC is better than anything other than DaS3 and AotA, though.
DaS3 because it's the most linear game in the series, weapon and armor balance is ass, and poise and hyper armor are 99.9% useless.
But each game is actually great in its own right, for different reasons. The only common denominator here is From and their inability to make their game's mechanics work well together, instead of being a mish-mash of shit that may or may not be useless.
>>335124621
hardest part is old king doran.
>>335127072
>No memorable NPCs
You really don't remember:
>You've got a heart of gold, don't let them take it from you
?
As far as your other complaints go:
>no world you can explore only handful of maps
While true, this isn't inherently a bad thing. All of the maps are pretty fantastically designed. - Honestly as far as I'm concerned they're the most consistently well designed levels in the series.
>Retarded looking bosses
The Vanguard is a pretty intimidating boss the first time you meet him, he's huge, hits hard and is there as an optional thing to kill if you're skilled enough in the tutorial. Pretty much all the bosses in this game visually fit the areas they belong to, even if they're conceptually silly (see Leechmonger, which while definitely filthy looking, is kinda weird)
>Broken PvP
I'll give you that one, although PvP isn't really the main focus of the game.
>Easy as fuck bosses
True, they can be easy for an experienced player, but they still provide a good challenge for newcomers, and are still pretty challenging for experienced players on NG+
>Shitty Lore
This is fairly subjective, but the lore in DeS is easily on par with DaS for me. Things like the Old One actually being the god of the Healing Church and the Story of the Old Monk are especially fantastic.
>>335128602
Short? Nigga my 1st playthrough clocked 55 hours.
NG+, SL1, PvP will easily put it at 120+ hours.
>>335128797
>a good challenge for newcomers, and are still pretty challenging for experienced players on NG+
regarding 5-1 and 5-2 i highly doubt that anyone ever died to those.
>>335128661
>DaS2 not disappointing
I was pretty fucking disappointed at hearing the story about the age of fire ending from dark souls wouldn't be going anywhere because hurr cycles. It retroactively ruined any sense of purpose I had in Dark Souls.
>>335129030
I'll give you that, especially if you're slugging around a fire weapon, which trivializes most things in both 5-1 & 5-2.
>>335118851
Demons Souls had the luxury of being a passion product from everyone involved. It was also a lower budget Japanese only title, so the devs had little pressure and could just do whatever they wanted.
The game had a easy to understand story, but had lots of background "lore". Easy to understand locations, but again "lore". Game was made to be FUN first, and didn't worry about online game balance. So they had fun making spells OP, adding weapons like the scrapping spear, unlimited grass.
It was after the success that they had a large burden to succeed it. The biggest problems the next installments would face
>Dark Souls 1 was released about 6 months too early. Obviously missing content, and second half of game was very weak
>Dark Souls 2 feeling like a step back, and as if someone else had made the game entirely. Still good, but really lacked certain charms.
>Bloodborne seemed to focus more on the Atmosphere and graphics (both important to Sony to showcase PS4 and having it be a must have exclusive). So the game really lacked content and variety in areas, and variety in ways to play (no spells in base game).
I cannot comment on DS3 as I have yet to play it. Wouldn't surprise me if it felt a little like "let's just fucking finish our contract with Namco so we can do something else". But from the little I've seen it looks amazing.
I've been with the series since I imported a JP copy after seeing some people on here posting stuff on it. Got the ENG version the day it came out. For me DeS > DS1 = BB > DS2. I do actually like DS2 unlike some people, but it does lack something that the others have, it is still a fine game.
>>335124429
theyre all great games, DS2 is just the worst of the bunch
>>335128831
Completed in 23 hours on my first playtrough no guide.
It's short in comparison
>>335124076
wow...i bet you have fun in life
>>335124289
>BB has chalice dungeons
consider it a bonus, for some boring for some cool who want more..even without the chalice stuff the game is a full awesome expierence...so in your mind its da best game?:)
>>335119185
I love how everyone gets triggered by this.
>>335129587
If the response of a teenage girl is the best you've got I know I'm right.
>>335128831
>NG+, SL1, PvP will easily put it at 120+ hours.
I just finished NG+ myself, honestly it felt like a waste of time because there's nothing new and the difficulty increases so little that it actually feels easier than the first run.
PvP duels have also been very boring to me, but I'm looking into doing another playthrough as an invader. It seems much more fun to invade this time around.
>>335124076
I always argue that DeS has better music than its successors.
It's true that it's technically more basic, but I think each boss theme is more representative of that boss and better serves to create atmosphere. Compare Fool's Idol's theme to Dirty Colossus, they each evoke images of a very different sort of encounter.
By contrast, every enemy from DaS onward, be they god, man or beast, brings their orchestra with them into battle.
Demon's was better.
>>335130008
I know man that's exactly what I said.
>>335129305
Demon's Souls also has missing content, so your point about Dark Souls doesn't stand. And Bloodborne is certainly not about graphics lmao
