This game is a testament of why companies should never listen to their fans.
If I pay 60$ and I have fun playing it, will you get mad?
>>335083709
Pay me $60 and you will get more than 3 hours of fun.
>>335083709
It would be extremely painful
>>335083709
Only if you don't upload Guard maps for me to enjoy.
Why?
I don't think anyone asked for gyro controls. That kinda wasn't fun for Wii games.
how is the game lads?
for real though, no memes
>>335084639
It doesn't fucking come out until tomorrow. Most of us haven't ever played it
I'm a fan and I didn't ask for a shitty, slow paced, extremely easy, 3 hour game.
Starfox Zero is based off of Starfox 64 which is based off of Starfox. This is a 2 decade old game with a new coat of paint. There's no good story or lore, there's no good music, the game is even EASIER than 64, and there's no content. People will argue it's replayable but nobody wants to replay a boring game.
>>335083598
Nobody wanted gyro controls
>>335084862
>I'm a fan
This is /v/ no ones a fan of anything here bitch boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpdhGlySwH4&list=PLn8dIoebjX4ewX8GqnWp6D9iaHQWyWujb&index=3
JUST
>>335084862
>lore
Go back to Dinosaur Planet.
>>335085020
I could probably do it faster.
>>335083598
>fans asked for gyro controls
>fans asked for amiibo-locked content
>fans asked for forced gamepad gimmicks
>fans asked for pace-killing gyrowing
>fans asked for for the shitty chicken walker
Oh wait, they did ask for that last one.
>>335083598
>fans beg them to stop with the fucking gimmick controls already
>no fuck you, here's forced gyro and second screen aiming
Yeah, no, it's exactly the opposite
>>335085175
>>335085468
>he wanted stick aiming
>>335085773
I'm really glad Nintendo refuse to use shitty twin stick aiming.
>>335085468
>Nintendo=Samir
>Fans=copilot
https://youtu.be/Nh8pSPmKupc?t=5s
>you will never be as obsessed with a mediocre game as the guy who keeps making these threads
>>335085062
I really wish Rare would have just made the game like they wanted to.
Sweet damage control.
>>335084862
Game length isn't a good measure of value.
64=0>SNES>>>ASSAULT>>>>>COMMAND>>>>>>>>>>ADVENTURES
>>335083598
Fuck me though, I love the art direction of this game. Ode to those old school puppets.
>>335085963
It is still absolute ass to use Twin sticks in 3d space. Its because the industry forced it for so long everyone forgot that it was shit. hell its not even Ideal to use twin sticks over a mouse in Isometric games
>>335086892
The crazy thing about that, is that RE4, the game that revolutionized TPS DIDN'T EVEN USE THE SECOND STICK TO ANY IMPORTANT DEGREE.
>>335086595
>collectibles pad the game out by 17 hours
So the argument is that you can play the same level over and over again to get your money's worth?
>>335085963
Luigi's Mansion 1 had the same retarded control scheme. The C Stick controls the path of the vacuum while the analog stick controls Luigi's movement. Really good dodging mechanics.
>>335086717
>People will argue it's replayable but nobody wants to replay a boring game.
>>335084639
The general opinion is that is just fine, about as good as 64 3D, better than all of the shitty Star fox games on GC and DS.
The biggest faults it has is a unintuitive control scheme and not many things that are new, but is a reboot so most fans don't care.
>>335086892
While this may be, using Gyro controls in 3d space is even more retarded, ESPECIALLY if you're splitting the viewing field.
Daily reminder that bad reviews are from SJW journalists who want sexual favors from alyson rapp
>>335087046
That was how SF64 worked. Go through the game millions of times to get everything the game has to offer.
>>335083598
it will be the top selling game of the year and more sequels will populate the next gen
you mad?
>>335083598
more like a testament of why arcade games are dead.
>>335084639
It's average.
Poor level design, unchallenging bosses, lack of extra modes, so on.
It's not a BAD game, it's just not worth $40. It's worth $20 though, and even though Guard is $20 it's worth $40 easily, so overall the bundle's a decent bargain.
>>335087256
Dan Ryckert already gets sexuals favors from a pornstar tho, almost the same as an escort.
>>335087256
>implying you wouldn't want sexual favours from alyson rapp
>>335084862
That's what StarFox fans want. They want a game that offers more of what StarFox 64 was. The plot has always been akin to a Saturday morning cartoon. It was never deep and there's no requirement for "lore".
I was about to order this from Amazon because I haven't gotten a WiiU game for a while. Then I decided it was finally time to get W101 instead. Did I do good?
>>335085773
>motion controls
>current year
>>335087046
that's how it is in every shmup/on-rail game.
>>335087209
The game could very well be shit, but then it's just a shit game, whether it's 3 hours or 30.
Why the fuck do they take off the crosshairs when locked on to an enemy, it's bad enough that i have to be moving this hunk of plastic, moving it around while having a shit fov is the worst.
>>335087650
>there are people that played Splatoon without the motion controls
literal retards
>>335087302
I'm still playing my copy like 40 hours later. Bought it back in 2014 and it never got old.
>>335083598
Nobody actually asked for gimmicky controls and 3-4 hours of gameplay.
There are literally levels that require use of the stereoscopic controls along with BOTH analog sticks simultaneously. The game is fucking trash and nintendo fans have been demanding less gimmicks since 2006. Nintenyearolds keep pointing to Iwata's death as the start of the decline, but when Yamauchi left in 2002 that was the end of nintendo in my eyes.
>>335087408
Arcade games at least had challenging boss fights.
>>335087210
I thought you could turn gyro controls off? Someone confirm
>>335086717
This.
I have many games I've replayed at least a dozen times.
A game being short like this instead of packed with filler is a breath of fresh air. Rail shooters are always short, anyway.
Did you guys bitch when Child of Eden was like an hour and a half long?
>>335088292
and that's a valid complaint, but everyone is "herp-dep 3hours"
>>335084862
Are there harder difficulties though? And is it really easier than 64?
>>335088462
Theres an option to have it only turn on when your fire your weapon so it recenters when you're not firing.
>>335088557
No expert mode unless you buy Falco amiibo
>>335088462
Deconfirming.
Gyro controls are mandatory. The right analogue stick is never used, and aiming is never assigned to the left stick.
>>335089112
That's not expert mode either.
64 Expert Mode made you lose your wings on a single collision, altered powerups and removed others, and added enemies and changed enemy positions.
All Falco Arwing does is double damage received and dealt.
>>335089112
>>335089121
Maybe I'll hold on to my 60 bucks then. I was planning on playing it tomorrow too.
>>335089112
You can unlock without the amiibo.
>>335089112
Sorry, but amiibo's don't alter enemy layouts, and it also doubles the damage you do. I'd hardly say that's equivalent to the old hard mode.
Our Lords at Giant Bomb have spoken.
I for one will be boycotting this husk of a game as well as pititul old Nintendo.
>>335089121
>>335083598
I do think that fan feedback should be considered, but flat-out pandering isn't usually a good idea.
>>335089112
http://wiiudaily.com/2016/03/star-fox-zero-invincibility-mode/
>“And then beyond those modes, we have additional ones for people who like the game but find it too hard to get past certain levels. So for instance there’ll be a way for them to get an invincible Arwing, so that they can fly through and see the levels. But at the same time, we’re also preparing modes for Star Fox fans looking for an even harder challenge, such as a ship that does more damage, but which also takes more damage.”
FANS PLS BE EXCITEDyou need falco tho
>>335083598
more like wii-u testament
>>335083598
No, Sonic is a testament of why companies should never listen to their fans. Both Shadow and partially 06 were caused by people cumming their pants for a Shadow game and we all know how that turned out. We could have had an Eggman game but no. We had to get a shitty edgy game with a character that's barely been mentioned since 06.
>>335088152
The Wii was the end for me.
>remade a game almost 20 years later
>fans have already replayed the fucking Lylat system a hundred times on N64, emulation and 3DS
Of course no one fucking liked it also the graphics are below par when Lylat Wars was the pinnacle at the time and the controls are fucking shit.
>>335084862
>extremely easy
Since you never played it, how do you know?
And if you are going by the reviews, how much money would you be willing to bet NONE of them used the Falco amiibo/black arwing?
>>335090012
Are you seriously trying to defend the game with amiibo locked content?
>>335090152
>all content is available except reskins
Wow, such content
But that's the thing, they DIDN'T listen to their fans. Their fans wanted gyro controls to be optional. Nintendo gave them the middle finger.
>Biggest request from star fox games were a longer campaign or even mercenary contracts you can take
>"Here have shit controls and the same short campaign you've already played forty times
>Playing a Star Fox game only once
>>335090152
>Are you seriously trying to defend the game with amiibo locked content?
Didn't say the game was good, I was suggesting it might not be "easy" if you actually use hard mode. Considering that nintendo babys everyone now, I am guessing the regular/base difficulty will be easy enough to play with your feet, and the actual/normal difficulty will probably be the black arwing.
>>335090460
No, the biggest request was a successor to 64.
>>335090460
>Wing Commander Privateer with star fox gameplay
Now i kinda want that
>>335090605
nigger, you lost
>not only is using the gamepad's gyro controls mandatory, you also have to look at the gamepad screen for extended periods.
Honestly, what the fuck? What the fuck is the point of releasing this on a home console when you are going to force players to look at a 5" inch? Why even make the game in HD?
>>335087042
What revolution did RE4 bring? The turtle pace? The shitty aim? The turret gameplay? The QTEs?
Fuck off, Max Payne made RE4 seem like a fucking joke.
>>335090460
>>Biggest request from star fox games were a longer campaign or even mercenary contracts you can take
Literally no one asked for this.
The biggest requests were always for more 64 and how 64 was great. And that's exactly what you got.
>>335090460
People wanted another 64 since they fucked us with shitty games for the entire GC era.
>>335090763
>when you are going to force players to look at a 5" inch?
You retard, you don't have to look at the gamepad screen.
>>335090946
>But there are also extended, often arbitrary seeming sequences where camera control on your television is taken away, locking the view to a fixed position, at which point Star Fox Zero forces you to use the screen on the GamePad to play the game from a constricted "cockpit view."
>>335090815
>always for more 64 and how 64 was great. And that's exactly what you got.
How is it exactly what we got?
We got slowed down levels, less enemies PER level, easier bosses, shitty extra vehicles, and less game modes.
How is this MORE 64?
>>335091273
Sounds exactly like what 64 was to Star Fox.
>>335090946
Have you TRIED playing with the Landmaster without looking at the gamepad?
It's LITERALLY unplayable. The fucking game itself has a tip screen about how you should really look at the gamepad if you're having trouble controlling the Landmaster.
On top of that, over half the bosses and a few in level sequences take over the tv screen camera and even force a fucking SIDE view, and you're expected to keep playing the gamepad.
>>335083598
So excluding online was asked by fans? Forced gyro asked by fans? Shit transformation asked by fans?
>>335090946
You do have sections that really force you to look down and not even the - button works to save you from that.You knew that if you played it
>>335083598
>make dogshit Mario games every gen
>nobody buys them and they still become a laughing stock of a company
Might as well throw a bone or two to the niche IP fans desu
>>335089121
AAAAAAAAAND fucking dropped. Fuck you Nintendo, you had one fucking job.
>>335091342
>Sounds exactly like what 64 was to Star Fox.
Technically impossible, Zero would have to run at 5 fps.
Serious question
Without ruining the basic gameplay of Star Fox like with Adventures, Assault, and command how do you add to the series in a meaningful way?
>>335083916
You're a big fox.
>>335091342
64 gave us faster levels, more enemies per levels, easier bosses, a good extra vehicle and a shitty extra vehicle, a new difficulty level, and multiplayer.
It certainly didn't improve on the formula as much as it should have, but it gave us MORE Starfox. Literally the only thing Zero did was take it away.
>>335092250
For Wii U
>>335092225
Honestly, they could start by giving us a game with completely new levels, instead of ones that have been rehashed twice previously.
I did not need to visit THE EXACT SAME CORNERIA four times throughout 7 generations of gaming.
>>335083598
No, it's a testament to the fact that Miyamoto is going senile.
His mighty Shiggyness is no longer. I'll be skeptical of every game that he's involved in.
Yes let's discourage companies taking risks and possibly making mistakes instead of shoveling out the same drivel we always get.
>>335092637
What part of Star Fox Zero is 'taking risks' exactly
>>335092807
Releasing the game at all.
>>335083598
So fans asked for gyro aiming?
>>335092637
I don't understand how anything you said is relevant.
Project Guard is something new and was a big risk. It's actually pretty good and is probably going to be a sleeper hit - most reviewers are praising it and happy with it.
Star Fox Zero has taken literally no risks and has copied 64 which already copied SNES. And, in an attempt to make it even more accessible, they dumbed it down further and took away all challenge to the point where you have to be braindead to die in a level and there's no reason to ever lose to a boss. Most reviewers feel it's a middling game that's not really worth the time to play it.
Their risk taking paid off with Project Guard, and SFZ was playing it too close to home and gave us a shitty game.
>>335092637
This time we have both going on at the same time. Outside of the new control scheme this is unmistakably riffing off Star Fox 64. I'd rather they drew inspiration from more than one particular entry, like how Twilight Princess had an OoT, ALTTP, and Wind Waker influence. Zero could've pulled some of the good stuff from Assault, like the music and art-style.
>>335092479
I think they think Corneria is like Rainbow Road
>>335092637
>discourage companies taking risks and possibly making mistakes
Slippy's game is great, even if it's a little rough around the edges.
>instead of shoveling out the same drivel we always get
>the same drivel we always get
This is literally Zero - and it gets worse every time we get it.
>>335092479
Corenria is literally the most important place in the Star Fox universe.
>>335092637
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, since people are praising guard and shitting on zero
>>335094276
But not the EXACT SAME fucking layout. We could even just approach it from a different fucking angle.
>>335083598
Guard doesn't look all that bad. I'd certainly buy it as a standalone game, though not at full launch price point.
Zero? I said "I hope the next Star Fox game does something new and doesn't just rehash the Lylat Wars" a few years back and got called a Nintendrone, whatever the Hell that is. I feel vindicated.
>>335094514
Good news for you: it's literally $15
http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/star-fox-guard-wii-u
It's actually pretty fun - much better than Zero.
>>335083598
Who the fuck asked for Hyro controls you stupid faggot? This game is a living testimony to exactly what people DIDNT ask for.
>>335083897
More like ten minutes
>Yfw the legend of krystal hentai game has better gameplay then a Star fox game made by Nintendo
>>335095174
Why would you pay $60 to GET fucked?
Unless you're the one lasting 10 minutes, in which case SFZ is the least of your problems.
>>335095273
fuck you anon, there's no way a fucking fanmade hentai game is better than any nintendo game
you better back that argument up with proof if you want to prove you're not a faggot
So, I just spent my day replaying Starfox, 64, and assault. Just finished the aparoid queen for the umpteenth time.
I'm fucking hyped for Zero, even if it is gyro, and gyro worked well for 643DS, so i don't see the issue.
Now, as much as I love assault, coming to it RIGHT after 64, theres a MAJOR difference in speed. as long as Zero fixes the slow flighty dogfighting, I'm good.
>>335095882
I was just playing Assault, I never realized I was so casual, I can't beat Gold medal difficulty.
>>335090542
>paying 60 dollars for a 3 hour long remake
>>335093324
>Their risk taking paid off with Project Guard, and SFZ was playing it too close to home and gave us a shitty game.
Shut the fuck up you dumb beta
>>335095958
The final aparoid stage is hard as balls
>>335096179
I was stuck on the wing riding part in Corneria, I gave up and went down a difficulty level.
>>335087046
Have you never played an arcade rail shooter?
>>335096667
Well at an arcade, I might pay $1 per playthrough. Paying (and paying) again and again is my choice. I can stop whenever. I didn't pay $60 upfront then realize I was finished after 3-4 playthroughs.
>>335084639
Star Fox 64 > Star Fox Assault > Star Fox Zero
are people who tell nintendo to release shitty games with shitty old graphics and gimmicky consoles and amiibos really fans though?
in my eyes they are nothing but autistic homosexual role players. they dont actually love nintendo or have any memories of it. they just want to role play as epic "geeks." its kind of like when companies listen to SJWs. everyone knows theyre not really fans of whatever thing they give advice on.
>>335089121
there's a chance nintendo will patch in regular controls if people bitch enough
>>335097283
SUPER unlikely.
They didn't even patch in OPTIONAL gyro controls for Captain Toad when they received complaints and letters from cerebral palsy patients.
They probably aren't going to be patching in a whole alternate control scheme here.
>>335096179
>That one segment in the final aparoid stage with the opening and closing walls is hard as balls
ftfy, rest of the level is actually quite manageable.
>>335088292
The only bosses in 64 that are actual challenges are hardmode Andross, and the rematch against Starwolf. Like, honestly? Think about it. Is the monster of Titania challenging? No. The lava monster on the sun? No. The circle weapon at the end of sector 6? No.
Secret weapon? Macbeth? Asteroids? All piss easy, 'shoot the glowing bits' bosses while they shoot a few lasers at you once every half hour. I haven't played Zero so I can't vouch for its difficulty, but it just seems like everyone is comparing the game to how difficult 64 felt when we were all 10, rather than how it actually plays now as an adult.
>>335098225
>hardmode Andross
>hard
Not really, he's annoying to fight, but by no means hard. Just hard turn until you get to his back. When he teleports, u-turn.
I honestly found the clam monster harder.
>>335098225
No, Zero just has NO challenging bosses at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZDILTLoqdg
What makes it even worse is that the levels are significantly easier than 64's, mostly due to the fact that the ship moves slower and it's easier to both shoot everything and avoid everything.
>>335083598
But Nintendo didn't listen to their fans.
The fans wanted "StarFox 64 with modern graphics!"
Nintendo couldn't even get THAT right.
I don't see how
Majority of reviews state that in series terms it's the best there is, especially with how the Action looks
The crippling negative is the difficulty curve of learning tne controls, which aren't bad, just awkward and hard
If your willing to learn the controls, your going to enjoy it
>>335084639
According to reviewers (snort), it sucks ass. Bad controls, forced bad aiming, exceptionally short gameplay...yeah.
>>335087642
Yeah
Just make sir you buy Zero afterwards
It's situation is basically Wonderful 101 all over again
>>335084639
As a Star Fox game, it's top tier
But your biggest difficulty curve is learning tne controls
The game comes out tommorrow
Try it yourself
>>335098681
It's called Assault anon
>>335083598
No matter what Nintendo does at this point listening to their fans or not they can not make games to save themselves. Literally
It's time to buy a gaming PCanon
>Bad controls
>On a wii-U gamepad.
For god sakes people, tilt it. 3DS had far worse gimmick tilt shit, if it plays anything like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzDZSfQ6AA
It's easy as shit, just tilt lightly in the direction you want, and use R to fire.
Easy.
