What wentright?
everything
The paid reviews, the generation of people who favor graphics over performance, oh and you could see nipples.
Not the combat.
>>335006826
Fuck off Witcher Dev.
Stop shilling a shitty game.
People making the game they wanted to make.
>>335007020
>shilling a game that's over a year old and has sold in the millions
do you ever think before you post /v/edditor?
>>335007020
Me at the front
>>335007020
>>335006969
>>335006898
I remember when I was one of the only people in witcher threads who say it's shit. I even got it day one
>>335007020
Alright, now I KNOW that /v/ is full of trolls.
>>335007191
I was one of them, too, though I only rented it.
>blood and wine expansion rumored to come out soon
>hinted to be hard as fuck
>Vilgefortz, supposedly powerful as fuck asshole sorcerer that fought Geralt in the past appears
>20 hours gameplay (just the main quest or all side quest, not specified)
>another region to explore
>new monsters, weapons, enemies, yadda yadda
hype
>>335006826
Ciri
>>335007487
no trailer yet though
>>335007550
Mary Sue
>>335007487
I liked TW2 Geralt more than TW3 Geralt. He looked like the perfect blend of handsome and mutant in 2.
>>335007191
Well it won game of the year over the mgsv and bloodbored cucks, so now /v/ automatically hates it because contrarian
>>335006826
It had the most and the longest cutscenes out of all the games that came out that year combined, and that's pretty much what sells.
>>335007762
More of a movie than the order
are the books good though
>>335007878
Yes
did you save the asshole from Satan?
>>335007487
>Vilgefortz, supposedly powerful as fuck asshole sorcerer that fought Geralt in the past appears
source fucking needed
>>335008002
olgierd wasn't so much of an asshole as he was an idiot
>>335006826
National socialism in poland
>>335007721
You have a perfect point. I oddly never looked at it that way.
I loved the graphics and now I'm gamesharing with a friend who has it so I'll try to pick it back up. I just hate the loot overall and the copy paste areas and the multiple reskinned monster contracts (all those wraiths for example) and all the crappy nests and the shit variety in enemy attacks and the shit variety in enemies and
Nothing. Shit games with shit controls and overblown LOLSTORY bullshit. Typical modern garbage not worth any real gamer's time.
No, kids, you're not real gamers.
>>335007941
>Geralt visits /pol/.png
>>335008002
>not helping Captain Flint
>>335008002
fuck no not after what he put his wife thru
I saw it as a perfect opportunity to bow out and let fate take it's course
>>335007487
I don't think he's actually showing up, more like they'll just make some references to him or something. Same thing with Geralt's old squad, I doubt even Regis will show up. And I don't mind, bringing people back from the dead cheapens them dying and it's lazy writing.
>>335008038
http://www.crossmap.com/news/the-witcher-3-dlc-release-date-blood-and-wine-will-have-new-gears-new-map-and-new-enemies-27224
to be honest, don't know if it's realible
Shit load of content that doesn't feel repetitive, good writing, characters, music and general world. Put in like 130 hours and it never felt tedious.
Worst things were equipment/level fuckery, iffy combat and too much shit use of witcher senses.
>>335008002
>fight to get the sword in Gaunter's riddle world
>"why are you wasting time to just get a stupid sword, holy shit."
>can't wield it
>>335007595
Yes, and?
>>335007827
It's a piece of shit, but it's totally understandable why it's praised.
>choose ''just the story'' shit
>watch some cutscenes for 30 minutes
>mash fast attack for a minute or two
>watch some more cutscenes
>repeat until you win
This is video games in 2016.
The game would be so much better if it followed the act/chapter structure from the previous games, so you had to go from one region to the next. This would have improved you being too high/low level for certain quests, having to teleport all over the world to do some quests and loot levels.
if they wanted to keep the open world gimmick they could have made you choose where you wanted to go first, so you could go to Skellige first if you wanted and the levels would adjust.
>>335008038
just a rumor
some other rumors are a huge kayran like in 2
strigas, bruxae, manticore
fringilla vigo, vigelfortz, some other
2 endings and 1 secret one
armor dyes, more skill slots and shit, trophies actually do something
harder difficulties stay difficult
revamped
>>335006826
Marketing, shallow gameplay that allows the game to be played by a wide audience.
>this thread again
no one criticizing it is over the age of 20 btw
>>335007721
Couldn't have anything to do with it being shallow and lacking replay value. Offends in many of the same areas Skyrim did but it gets a pass for having shit combat, a bland, empty world with repetitive dungeons and useless loot for whatever reason. It's barely even an RPG, you don't do much role-playing at all, Geralt's role in the game and world are pretty much set.
>>335007762
>>335007827
>>335008590
>>335008637
>>335008760
Here's a (You) my friend, your asspain deserves some sort of compensation.
>>335008760
>Witcher 3
>Dungeons
que
>>335006826
I got this game a few days ago. I was quite biased against it hearing about the downgrade and supposedly clunky controls and whatnot.
Before playing it I was wondering why Bloodborne wasn't widely considered GOTY because I love the living shit out of that game.
However, now I understand. The Witcher III is a great fucking game and I got reminded never to trust /v/.
>>335008795
The gameplay is similar to Skyrim's but worse and there's little actual meaningful role-playing but a major emphasis on story. It fails and an engaging action game and fails as an engaging RPG. The combat mechanics are simple and easily abused, the skill trees are tiny, the weapon selection is anemic. Your dialogue choices are not particularly varied and seldom impact the overarching story in any real way but the game still shoves more cutscenes in your face than MGS.
>>335009038
>The gameplay is similar to Skyrim's
Did you play either?
>>335009038
>The gameplay is similar to Skyrim's but worse
The level you contrarians have to go to show how much you hate this popular, successful game is unreal.
>>335008972
Good job anon. Never fall for the hivemind.
>>335006826
Would this run on my 7850?
>>335009174
No it would walk.
>>335009193
Alright thanks.
>>335009070
>>335009113
>Y-y-you just hate it because it's popular! I'll just ignore all the completely legitimate criticism of the gameplay!
Skyrim was immensely more popular and it's a better RPG than Witcher. It allows for actual role-playing, has much more diverse equipment, more varied builds, a better world and doesn't shove cutscenes in your face every 10 minutes and tells its story in a more engaging way. It still has shallow combat and a bland story, but so does Witcher.
>people still mad about the the GOTY awards
I thought many from /v/ hated that whole awards thing
>>335009038
>little actual meaningful role-playing but a major emphasis on story
People still call Final Fantasy RPGs, though
>the skill trees are tiny
you clearly don't how it even works
>Your dialogue choices are not particularly varied and seldom impact the overarching story in any real way
you didn't play the reason of state questline?
>he gameplay is similar to Skyrim's but worse
now you're not even trying
here is a (You) for your troubles
>previously dogshit franchise gets brought to consoles
>suddenly a good game appears
go figure
>>335009038
>>335009338
get a load of this bethdrone ahahaha
>>335009174
Decently. I have a 770 and it runs at near 60 fps on high. You could get at least 30 or 40 which is passable.
what went right?
immersion, story, graphics, and on my pc performance were all great.
combat was shit, exploration was underwhelming. extremely nice scenery, everything falls apart in the combat honestly kills the game for me
>>335009472
Combat isn't even that bad.
>>335009338
No, my point is that you made an extremely retarded comparison.
Again, how the fuck is the gameplay similar in both games? They don't share combat mechanics, crafting, inventory, spells, nothing is similar between them.
You're talking out of your ass to be a contrarian little shit.
>T-the story and combat is bland in both
Yet they're criminally different and, while not having a terribly impressive plot, W3 has amazing presentation of said story by measure of visuals, narration, voice acting and sound design.
At least >>335009472 posts some valid points and is honest.
>>335009570
that looks like an alchemy build
>>335009570
literally dark souls tier
dodge hit dodge hit dodge hit
>>335009685
>dark souls tier
So on par with the only game /v/ universally loves?
>>335009570
Its not bad, but its not good or great. Its passable, it gets you from one step to another. Working with a set character, and a set fighting style really shows how limited in scope they could be.
When THE FUCK is Blood and Wine getting release? HoS was fucking amazing.
So which build was the best?
>>335009685
You're right, it should be turn based. Or hit-get hit-hit-get hit. Or babby mode hit-hit-hit win with no need to dodge.
>>335008795
Oh boy, you sure showed them with that brilliant response full of counter arguments. I bet they are speechless now since you've proven them so wrong. Faggot.
>>335010032
Aren't you doing the same?
>tfw i loved TW1
>couldnt play neither of the sequels because i have a gtx 330
>tfw upgrading soon to a 960
What am I in for? How do sequels fare compared to the original?
>>335010269
prepare to get cucked
>>335009830
We ought to get a release date any day now, seeing as how it'll be released June at the latest, and with HoS, they started with the details and trailers about a month before release.
When will people realize the majority of the people that love this game are redditors. It is basically Skyrim 2.0 for the casuals.
>>335010269
TW2 is meh
TW3 is good
>>335009374
>People still call Final Fantasy RPGs, though
They have gameplay typical of RPGs, Witcher has combat more similar to a traditional action game. Part of the role-playing is also choosing the combat role your character plays, FF games typically have some sort of job or customization system.
>Y-y-you don't know how it works! You're n-n-not even trying!
Instead of pulling this bitch move why don't you actually, you know, explain why the combat isn't shallow or why the empty, bland open world is somehow better than what we got in Skyrim? Skyrim is shallow as shit too, but its a better RPG and has tons more replay value. Witcher is closer to an action game and its focus was on the story and presentation.
>>335009594
>W3 has amazing presentation of said story by measure of visuals, narration, voice acting and sound design.
I disagree that it presented its story well, it just shows you cutscenes. Skyrim presented its story better even if the story itself wasn't great. The story just unfolds around you as you're playing, it doesn't take you out of the game and constantly remind you that you're playing a game. Cutscenes break my immersion, I don't know if that's the case for others but I don't think halting the gameplay entirely and showing the player a movie clip is the best way to tell an immersive story in a game.
I already said Witcher focuses on its presentation, and that's precisely why it's not as good a game. Again, the build variety is sparse, the weapon/equipment selection is paltry, the combat is pretty shallow and it has little replay value compared to other open world RPGs.
>>335010269
TW2 requires 2 playhtroughs minimum for full enjoyment. The atmosphere from 1 is lost, and it's more linear, but I really liked it.
3 is a very good game. GotY 2015 for me.Unless that 960 is less than 180 burgerdollars, it's a bad choice, save up and wait for the new cards to roll in, you might get it much cheaper or a better one for the same price
>>335010269
They're great.
2 is a lot more refined than 1 was with awesome graphics, a better story and more interesting combat. On the downside it also lost a bit of the tw1 comfy slav charm, and it's not that long, although it's meant to be replayed.
3 has it beat in more or less every department though. I don't recall having spent this much time in a single player game ever. It's absolutely breath taking how much there is to do, and they manage to nail the atmosphere and feeling. It's even better if you've read the books since there's so many small references all over the place.
>>335010426
>bethdrone still going at it
>>335010510
>Bethdrone
>Skyrim is shallow as shit
Nice rebuttal.
It's just really, really sad what passes for an RPG these days and that fucking Skyrim needs to be referenced s an example of what RPG elements are.
>>335010426
Different tastes, then.
I've yet to play a Bethesda game that is actually immersive and has good presentation save maybe for Dishonored. Elder Scrolls and the Fallouts since 3 have been so halfassed and bland.
I'm a professional cowboy and I use catheters. Been cowboyin' for 25 years. I've had 14 broken bones, 2 concussions and a punctured lung. I know pain and I don't want any more of it. Especially when I cath.
>>335010232
Kill yourself.
>>335010620
>All games need to be identical
>And the template is my own personally chosen game: 'X'
No. Fuck off.
>>335010778
After you, fuccboi
>>335009397
>Witcher 1 and 2
>Not great games
Get out of here with your bait
>>335010898
No, after YOU, bitchnigger.
>>335011056
make me
cockmongler
>>335010426
Witcher 3 still has item/weapon and skill customization, you can still choose your playstyle of sword-focused, magic-focused, or bombs and potion.
Funny that you mention Skyrim, it's combat system isn't exactly RPG-ish with it's aiming first person/third person simple weapon swings and magic and arrow flinging.
It doesn't really have job customization, you can just pick up any weapon or skill and continue leveling up with it. You can pretty much be any kind of 'class'. By your definition it should not be an RPG either.
>Bland open world
Really, this part is you really just trying to bait, I don't even have to explain this part. Maybe this is just your taste of what a game map should look like. I don't remember TW3 having copy paste dungeons.
>>335010725
>Different tastes, then.
No, just objectively shallow mechanics.
Skyrim is shallow and bland too but its less so than Witcher in some areas. Witcher is barely an RPG, it's more of an action game with RPG elements. Again, in Skyrim you can make your own character and choose the role they play in the story and world, you're not a set-in-stone, voiced protagonist with a set personality. You have more weapon choices beyond swords and you can have more varied "builds" there's more replay value.
Witcher is a lot like other "cinematic" games that get tons of shit but for some reason it doesn't. I don't get it, I was utterly bored with the gameplay after a few hours and wanted to skip lots of the excessive cutscenes and dialogue I didn't give two shits about. And the fucking romance, holy shit I couldn't possibly care any less about which vapid whore Geralt doesn't penetrate on-screen. Half this stuff has no impact on the gameplay, I'm slogging through boring, repetitive combat to get to more cutscenes I'll want to skip. If you like stories in games, that's fine, but a focus on story and presentation usually makes for a shallow game.
>>335010269
TW2 is to TW1 what Mass Effect 2 was to ME1, but in a good way. Combat is totally reworked, new system suffers from trying little to hard to be Dark Souls-y, but it's still enjoyable, graphics are top tier, game was regulary posted in "best looking games threads", and showed as an example of how RPGs should look like before /v/ got all contrarian about it and started hating the game all of the sudden. Story is fine, though little less atmopsheric, and little more "epic" in scale. Overall good, much more streamlined game than TW1.
As for TW3 - better than 1 & 2 combined and probably one of the best games to come out recent years if not the best. Come to think about it I only enjoyed 1 game more (and 2-3 similarly)it's Warband
>>335011359
The game advertises itself as an Action-RPG where you play the role of Geralt.
>shallow shallow shallow shallow
Christ dude, give it a fucking rest.
>>335010796
A role-playing game allows for choosing and playing a role in the context of the game's story and world and the gameplay. Witcher 3 chooses your character and role for you, he has a set personality and backstory. You're not doing much role-playing in Witcher beyond some light class and equipment customization, your dialogue choices aren't too varied and often don't result in much of anything different beyond some changed lines later on. The gameplay is more similar to an action game than an RPG.
>>335011359
gee fine, be a contrarian if that makes you happy
there are various types of RPGs and you are insisting that only your definition of what RPGs are supposed to be should be accepted
>>335011442
Ty for very detailed post.
>>335011279
Keep in mind this is all relative to Witcher 3. They're both pretty shallow, bland games but Skyrim is a better RPG because it allows for more role-play and has more diversity and replay value.
Skyrim's relative strength as an RPG comes from the role-playing, not necessarily the combat. I can make a different character with a relatively different personality each time, there's more variation in the skill tree and equipment than in Witcher. The game has dialogue and exposition play out around you, it doesn't take you out of the game and show you cutscenes, which I feel is a poor way to tell a story in an interactive video game.
>>335011531
>The game advertises itself as an Action-RPG where you play the role of Geralt.
>Action-RPG
It's an action game with RPG elements, Geralt's role in the story and personality are more or less set. I play the role of Mario in Super Mario but that doesn't make it an RPG.
I'm saying shallow over and over again because the game is fucking shallow, get over it.
>>335011653
>be contrarian
Dude, I gave you two paragraphs and plenty of other posts explaining why I don't like it. I'm not disliking it because it's popular, I'm disliking it because I think its a poor game and it focuses far too much on its story and presentation.
RPGs are games in which you role-play, how is that any different than saying a first-person shooter is a game in which you shoot in first-person? You choose the role you play in the game, that can mean your class and your role in the story or your character's personality.
>this thread
nice autism
>>335011859
>BLAND BLAND BLAND
>SHALLOW SHALLOW SHALLOW
That your buzzword now?
>Skyrim's relative strength as an RPG comes from the role-playing, not necessarily the combat
>the game has dialogue and exposition play out around you
as if Skyrim offers more choices and dialogue that matter, it's like you didn't even play the game. It's playstyle isn't even RPG-ish it's first person hack and slash
>I'm saying shallow over and over again because the game is fucking shallow, get over it.
Yeah sure
>I play the role of Mario in Super Mario but that doesn't make it an RPG.
As I said, all JRPGs shouldn't be considered RPGs according to you at that point
You say playing the role makes a RPG sometimes but also say gameplay matters more sometimes
make up your mind
>>335006826
the game has undoubtedly the best facial expression system ever made currently. Sure, some games have better facial animations in general, but those are pre-made, not based around a system.
>>335011212
Sorry I'm late was making food. Anyway: Yea you'd like that, wouldn't you, jizz guzzler
>>335007609
That's something we can agree on
witcher 2 nostalgia omg
>>335012324
one fucking autist is shitting up the whole thread
>>335008002
only did it for the witcher sword and lifting curses are fun.
>>335012117
which games do you like then?
>>335012117
which games do you like then?
>>335006826everything
>>335007487
I'm worried itll be as shallow as Hearts of Stone
>get captured by exotic Arabian people
>they're taking you back to their country
>escape during a shipwreck by making a deal with the devil
>wash up on a sandy beach
>"fuck yeah this is awesome!"
>check the map
>you're just outside novigrad
>proceed to go places you've already been for 10 hours
Seriously one of the biggest disappointments in gaming. At least the story was really good.
>>335012374
>As I said, all JRPGs shouldn't be considered RPGs according to you at that point
JRPGs usually offer tons of customization for your character's appearance, equipment, skills, magic, etc. If the game doesn't and also doesn't let you role-play in any other meaningful way, then it's not a very good RPG. FFXIII was bad, I have little interest in FFXV at this point.
>as if Skyrim offers more choices and dialogue that matter, it's like you didn't even play the game
Read what I typed again, champ. Skyrim tells its story in a more immersive way and the dialogue choices are comparable to Witcher's, if not a little lighter.
>You say playing the role makes a RPG sometimes but also say gameplay matters more sometimes
I said it all matters, and games can be missing one or more of those elements
>A role-playing game allows for choosing and playing a role in the context of the game's story and world and the gameplay
Witcher lets you customize Geralt's equipment and skills to an extent and lets you make some dialogue choices.
AGAIN, in Skyrim, you choose the role your character plays in the story, the context of the game's world (your personality, backstory, etc. based on our choices in dialogue and while playing) and in combat. I've called its combat shallow half a dozen times too, I'm not praising it.
>CD Projekt will sell out and betray their fans in your lifetime
>>335013034
Blood and Wine is confirmed to have an entire new region of the map roughly the size of Velen.
>>335011859
>Skyrim's relative strength as an RPG comes from the role-playing
Dude, you can't roleplay in skyrim for shit.
Yeah, pretty awesome archmage you are when wolves level up with you and every npc still tells you to join the mage guild.
You have to be severely autistic to be able to suspend your disbelieve on so many levels to roleplay
>>335009338
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>335013069
>CDPR becomes the new EA
loving every laugh
>>335012683
>>335012727
In terms of recent WRPGs/open-world games I liked DD:DA and the Dark Souls games more than Witcher or Skyrim, though heavily modded Skyrim is a lot better than vanilla and improves on a lot of its faults. Xenoblade X was a much, much better open-world game and the combat was passable. RDR was good, Fallout NV was okay too but I didn't get too far.
>>335008002
>asshole
he just had a hard life
>>335013167
And if it looks exactly like Velen and not it's own unique region I'm going to be incredibly disappointed. Just like I was when Hearts of Stone literally cucked you out of an awesome adventure they set up.
Death March difficulty was terrible.
>everything takes forever to kill
>you die after couple of hits
>enemies that able to block will die only when they feel like it
It's fine if enemies can kill you fast, but making them spongy is a terrible choice. That said, it does force you to use every tool at your disposal, which is good.
>>335013069
They already did. Slavtechnomancy was gone as soon as took m$ money.
>>335013183
>Dude, you can't roleplay in skyrim for shit.
I can choose my race, app earance,backstory and what questlines I complete and, where applicable, how I complete them. The combat sucks but you have more options in terms of equipment, weapons and skills.
Skyrim is a better RPG than Witcher 3 but it's not a particularly great RPG at all beyond how it presents its story and the basic core concepts it tries to build upon. I'm sick of cutscenes, we need more games that get exposition and dialogue out without halting the gameplay and showing the player a movie clip. I think it's a very poor way to utilize the medium to tell a story, it's interactive.
>>335013185
So why is Skyrim shit and Witcher 9.5/10 GOTY? They both have shitty real-time combat, pointless dialogue choices, boring copy/paste fetch-quests and are piss-easy. Skyrim gives you more room to actually role-play and has more replay value.
My entire point is that Witcher offends in many of the same areas other "cinematic" and boring open world games do, but because it has pretty cutscenes and a "good" story none of that matters. It has bare-bones RPG elements and awful combat.
>>335013730
I think the real question is, why aren't you bringing Dragon Age: Inquisition into the discussion?
>>335013814
It makes me remember that DA: Origins was actually pretty decent and I don't want to think about it anymore.
Absolutely no one pretends DA:I was anything but bad, despite all my complaints W3 is definitely a better game than that turd. Witcher at least looks nice, DA:I shit the bed everywhere possible.
>>335013730
I'm sick of assholes like you telling me what kind of games should and should not be made.
Don't like Witcher or other 'cinematic' games? Fine! Fuck off! Don't play them!
The Witcher series is an Action-RPG series where you have a set character you roleplay as, limiting the role-playing elements. But you're not fucking playing The Witcher because you want to roleplay as a gay lizard man. There have been plenty of RPG's where you play as a set character that limits your role-playing options like Planescape and Gothic and just because it doesn't fit your bullshit definition of an RPG doesn't make it a bad game. Also;
>awful combat
>just admitted to liking DD, DS & Xenoblade
Fuck. Off.
>>335014021
>I'm sick of assholes like you telling me what kind of games should and should not be made.
Where did I say Witcher 3 shouldn't have been made?
>Don't like Witcher or other 'cinematic' games? Fine! Fuck off! Don't play them!
H-h-how DARE you have legitimate criticism about the mechanics and gameplay in a game I like!
Wow, get some thicker skin.
>just admitted to liking DD, DS & Xenoblade
DD's combat is certainly better than Witcher's, and I believe I described Xenoblade X's combat as passable while praising it for it's world, not its combat. Souls games have tons of builds and equipment choices with tons of replay value and the combat is punishing (this isn't the same as difficult, mind you.)
>>335013327
so essentially you like everything /v/ tells you too like.
Everything, games great.
Can't like it here though, it got too popular with the normies and now /v/ has to be contrarian.
We used to have pretty decent Witcher threads before 3.
>>335014296
>/v/
>Liking Xenoblade X
>Liking DD:DA
kek
And by that logic I should like Witcher and hate Skyrim too.
>>335006826
Gwent. I would pay to play gwent online.
>>335014274
>DD's combat is certainly better than Witcher's
No, I don't like, i think its a terribly boring shallow game with repetitive combat, focused around generic fetch-quests. One of the most overrated games on /v/ in years.
>>335013730
>we need more games that get exposition and dialogue out without halting the gameplay and showing the player a movie clip
Yeah, because that worked so well in Half life 2.
>I can choose my race, app earance,backstory and what questlines I complete and, where applicable, how I complete them.
Character creation is not fundamental to RPGs. And you can't be serious if you think Skyrim offers you any way to influence quests or their outcomes.
Skyrim is sandbox for modding, nothing more. It's good at it and it's fun to mod shit, but it's a very very barebone RPG.
Witcher on the other hand offers you an immersive world with good characters and writing which you navigate as Geralt and get punished for if you roleplay as xXShadowthehedgehogXx.
It doesn't have the depth of Infinity RPGs, but it doesn't even sets out to do this, because at this level of production value you'd need the fucking american government to fund such a game.
The ONLY games that are better in this genre are gothic 1 and 2 and you are a fucking moron if you deny it.
>>335014321
>Anyone who has legitimate criticism of the game is a contrarian
And you're complaining about arbitrary hivemind behavior
>>335007487
Just in time for my new GPU.
>>335014380
>/v/
>not liking DD:DA
Good job on outing yourself as a redditor or wherever the fuck you;re from.
>>335008002
>Not saving pirate David Beckham
Have you any heart.....
>>335014432
More weapon variety, more skills, more variation in how different weapons and abilities perform and function. Magic Archer plays nothing like Warrior and wears and uses entirely different equipment.
>>335012625
4chan in a nutshell
>>335009685
As opposed to what?
You folks are really just TRYING to complain.
>>335013034
>>335013456
straight up you are a fucking idiot
they said from the very start that HoS was not going to add a new area (even though they did add to the already existing map) and they've shown screenshots from BaW
>>335014438
>And you can't be serious if you think Skyrim offers you any way to influence quests or their outcomes.
You can lose out on items, more quests and questlines and NPCs can be permanently gone.
>Witcher on the other hand offers you an immersive world with good characters and writing which you navigate as Geralt and get punished for if you roleplay as xXShadowthehedgehogXx.
See, none of this pertains to the actual gameplay, and I'd disagree that the world and story are more immersive than what Skyrim offers. The visuals and voice acting are obviously better, but cutscenes are a shitty way to tell a story in a game. TES games handle it better by giving you dialogue and exposition without taking control away and showing you a movie clip.
Relative to Witcher Skyrim is a better RPG, but it's not a particularly good RPG on its own. It simply offers more room to role-play and more diversity in gameplay than Witcher does.
>>335009157
Why does he run like a spastic?
>>335014502
>/v/
>not liking Witcher 3
Can't have it both ways
>>335014380
DD:DA PC release was hyped to hell and back on this site
>>335007878
not good
Fucking great.
I hate LOTR and anything tolkien related. I read those when I was like 16 or 17 and I already thought it was the most stupid naive and childish shit ever. I thought fantasy wasn't my thing until I read Sapkowski.
>>335014851
He's a nerd. Video games are made by nerds, you nerd.
>>335009880
Sword. The sign perks were shitty, alchemy was unusable, you might be able to grab a thing or two from the general skills doe.
>>335014901
Witcher had dozens of threads and generally gets praised too. But /v/ HATES Witcher though, right? Don't follow the hivemind XD :^)
>>335008002
He deserved his destiny. I didn't and I'm glad. What Gunter tells you if you ask for his help to save Ciri is fucking priceless
>>335014274
>DD's combat is certainly better than Witcher's
I really never got this meme
it's the same mash light attack shit but there's no dodge as standard and occasionally you use blink strike to stunlock enemies
>>335010269
2 is a little like what ME2 was to ME. It's a much more mainstream game, but gives you FEELS and worth every second.
>>335014787
you do realise that you are reusing the sam arguments over and over again?
>>335014946
fucking /v/ has been shitting and shitposting about TW3 since the game came out you fucking mong
>>335014787
>You can lose out on items, more quests and questlines and NPCs can be permanently gone.
You mean the items that are almost the same and only get interesting when you level enchantment but get completely useless when you level smithing?
And the fetch quests that make you go to clear a dungeon full of draugr?
And the NPCs that have no personality whatsoever?
>See, none of this pertains to the actual gameplay
If by gameplay you mean combat then yes, but there are other parts of the gameplay, exploration, npc interaction etc., they are affected by world building and writing.
>the rest
As long as cutscenes are not MGS tier and the game offers other means to tell its story i am totally fine with them. But that's all subjective anyway.
>>335013351
He literally killed off his brother. Vlod may have been an incompetent fuck but he was the best part of Heartstone. So yeah, Olgierd was an asshole but he was at least tolerable as opposed to the kike Satan expy OOH LOOK AT ME I HAVE MY OWN RULES IN HOW TO TOY WITH THE LIVES OF MORTALS THROUGH A PROXY EXCLUSIVELY MAKING ME SOMEWHAT MORALLY AMBIGUOUS AND A WELL-WRITTEN CHARACTER BUT WAIT JUST A MINUTE LET ME ZA WARUDO AND ARBITRARILY KILL THIS RANDOM SCHMUCK DIRECTLY LOL I'M SO EVIL :^)
CDPRED dropped the ball on the main villain of the DLC.
>>335014980
There's more than a handful of viable skills, more weapons and the different classes and builds play differently. See
>>335014917
Witcher builds are limited and they don't play radically differently. In DD:DA, you can be a warrior with a huge two-handed weapon and send mooks flying in the air, you can hop around like a retard and climb on monsters as an assassin, you can stay on the fringe and cast huge spells as a sorcerer, etc. There's more to choose from and what's there is more functionally varied.
I don't think Witcher's crafting and upgrade systems are as deep either. There are dozens and dozens and dozens of items and consumables you can combine and all armor and weapons can be upgraded several times.
>>335014775
>As opposed to what?
A good western action RPG like Diablo III, Skyrim, PoE, Dungeon Siege
You know, games that require more skill than dodge and hit and have real character building and depth.
I'm so fucking sick of you 12 year old Souls kiddies thinking Souls is the only way to make a game.
>>335014630
yeah sometimes i hate this fucking place
>>335006826
>literally make the same thread a couple hours ago
>it dies after 0 replies
Yeah..... fuck you motherfucking cocksuckers as well
>>335012879
>>335015395
you mother suck dwarf cock.
>>335015395
the muh definition of RPGs autist posting now wasnt online then
>>335015395
You got the meme wrong.
>>335008397
I enjoyed it but a bit bored after 80hrs, I just can't be bothered watching cutscenes anymore, all I want to do is play the game but the combat is getting meh, far more involved with DaS3 atm.
Everything. Even though the game has no repeatability I enjoyed my 120+ hrs with it more than I enjoyed my 500 hours in one of my other favorite games. Still waiting anxiously for B&W.
>>335015265
>but there are other parts of the gameplay, exploration, npc interaction etc
I'd say they're comparable, both games have big open worlds with little of consequence, NPC quests and interactions generally boil down to "Kill [X]" or "Collect [X]" while following your giant waypoint to the destination. Skyrim has repetitive dungeons with useless loot, Witcher has repetitive camps with useless loot. Witcher has better quality of presentation and voice acting, I'll certainly give it that. But that ultimately isn't what I think is important in a video game.
AGAIN, much of what detracts from Skyrim can be said about Witcher as well. Bad combat, big empty map, dialogue choices of questionable consequence to the main story, etc. But Skyrim gives you more freedom with the PC and your role in the world and tells its story in a more immersive way by not showing you cutscenes, even if the story its telling isn't great. You can be a snarky thief, you can be an honorable warrior, you can be an arrogant magic-user, in Witcher you're always Geralt and his combat roles are more limited. Yes, you can do some role-playing, but its more limited.
>>335007585
probably two trailers just like HoS one week before and one launch trailer
>>335007609
if you shave he looks like that, more or less
>>335006826
Passion and weeks of crunch times. Any western developers would've probably bitched about how they're being overworked. But it's all good for CDPR because even their CEO paid the price to get the game out.
>>335015342
Skyrim is piss-easy and also has shit combat but it certainly has more and better character-building than Witcher. Souls games have much deeper character building than either game.
>>335015463
>>335012879
I loved Yen in this game so much that I retroactively think less of Witcher 1 and 2 because she plays as such a perfect foil for Geralt.
>>335007487
>>hinted to be hard as fuck
>oh boy, more enemies who jump back, jump back, jump back, jump back, jump back, jump back, jump back
Sure sounds exciting.
>>335015598
>in Witcher you're always Geralt and his combat roles are more limited
THATS. THE. POINT.
>>335015493
I bet you call The Division an RPG too
>>335007191
aka, never? It's been getting shat on over here ever since rumors of the "downgrade" came out
>>335010510
Hey man, at least Todd Howard got a lifetime award. That makes Fallout 4 good, right? Right?
>>335015687
Are you talking about Souls games or the Witcher?
>>335015650
>sold his soul to make gooa games
thank you based slav.
>>335006826
capchta test
also heart and stone a shit
>>335015748
well, he made morrowind, he deserved it
>>335015709
THAT. MAKES. IT. A. POOR. ROLE. PLAYING. GAME.
>>335013034
>Seriously one of the biggest disappointments in gaming
Yeah, no. Not even close. It was one of the best expansions I've played for any game in a long ass time.
>>335015823
gothic 2 then is very bad rpg game
VERY BAD
>>335013049
Is this bait?
>>335015718
no i dont. I wont even play the game
>>335015861
Snap.
>>335015687
>jump back, jump back, jump back
Good thing Witcher has hard counters for enemies who do this in the form of signs like Yrden and Aard.
What did you never figure out how to actually play the fucking game?
>>335015946
no its legit autism at your display
>>335015598
>You can be a snarky thief, you can be an honorable warrior, you can be an arrogant magic-user
But you can't because it's all in your head. Game doesn't have any mechanics to express that. I can grab some sticks and rock in order to roleplay with my imagination, but that doesn't meant that's the same as having mechanics for it.
>>335015709
See, you can have a voiced protagonist with no room for character building, you can have limited combat with few builds or functional diversity, you can have dialogue choices that don't matter, but you can't do ALL of it and still expect to be a good RPG. Witcher has dialogue choices, but you have little room for character building because you're always Geralt and the combat options are pretty limited and not too varied. An RPG doesn't have to have all of the above but it has to have some of it and do it well to be a good game.
>>335013034
>proceed to go places you've already been for 10 hours
But it wasnt though, they opened up an entire area in northeast novigrad that wasnt there before. All new area just not a diverse new one like bloot and wine will be.
I think dlc is brilliant, only thing that I think is wrong with it is just as the main game, after the story you dont see any of the main characters after
Those boss battles in hearts of stone were some tough as fuck battles tougher than any witcher contract
>>335015598
>dialogue choices of questionable consequence to the main story
See your looking at this the wrong way. The main theme of the witcher is what to do when you're given two morally grey options and just about all the quests (not counting shit like the treasure hunts) reflect this in their endings.
Should you kill a succubus because she's technically a monster or should you let her live because she's not harming anybody? Should you tear a man from his family to save him or kill his spurned lover with a curse?
All this shit is what makes the role-playing in the witcher great, you may be only ever playing Geralt, but you get an incredible amount of freedom considering that he's an established character.
What you want is complete freedom to do whatever you want which is completely at odds with what the witcher is trying to do. If you don't like it that's fine, but don't act like it's a bad game.
>>335015672
I had a similar reaction after reading the books and finding out that Triss is basically a creepy stalker who used magic to roofie and fuck Geralt, despite his relationship with Yen
>>335015861
Not talking about Gothic, friend, and that game has a lot more going for it than that.
>>335015598
>I'd say they're comparable
On a superficial level
>both games have big open worlds with little of consequence
Yes, the worlds are kind of static. I don't know any game of this scope and polish that is dynamic though.
>NPC quests and interactions generally boil down to "Kill [X]" or "Collect [X]" while following your giant waypoint to the destination.
First of all you should minimize your hud as soon as you start the game.
Second of all, no, Witcher 3 has fantastic quests that differ from the fetch quest formula. Sure you have monster hunts, but you also have the bloody baron questline and the whole dlc questline.
I seriously hope I don't have to say that quests in skyrim fail on every level imagninable.
>Skyrim has repetitive dungeons with useless loot, Witcher has repetitive camps with useless loot.
Yes, the itemization in witcher was one of its biggest flaws.
But they are meant as in a "Hey I found a bandit camp on my way to the next village" kind of way. Again, turn off the hud and dont farm those places, they are optional. As opposed to skyrims dungeons which are usually part of a boring quest.
>the rest
I get it. I don't agree but I get it. You don't have to make your point 100 times.
>>335015598
Jesus Christ, your dicksucking of Skyrim is getting out of fucking hand now.
>>335016101
but there is character building in witcher, how come people don't get this? it's not ARE YOU A BOY OR A GURRL, but there is building as far as how geralt behaves and what opinions he takes on matters. is this too subtle for you or something?
>>335013456
Blood and wine will be in toussaint I think its a tropical area
>>335015823
>i am the arbiter of what constitutes an RPG
Nope, the term RPG is nebulous as shit and anything can be one. Stop sticking to genres and just look at games for what they are
>>335013556
Git good
Death March is the only way toplay, you need to learn every enemies tactics and exploit their weaknesses.
Also if you dont point points into quen you are gonna have a bad time
>>335015569
>b-but muh Souls
Every thread, every game.
>>335015823
>my extremely limited and biased subjective opinion of what constitutes an RPG is the final word
Now reply to my post saying how much more role playing you can do in Skyrim compared to Witcher for the 50th time.
>>335016178
>Sure you have monster hunts, but you also have the bloody baron questline and the whole dlc questline.
Even in the monster hunts you get a pretty decent amount of story shit going on. Basically anything with wraiths nails the whole detective formula and that quest where you find the Redanian PoWs that got executed was pretty neat.
>>335016239
It's more of a South France type area than it is tropical, but it's still pretty different to the constant forest/mountain/swamp of the rest of the game.
>>335016348
Alt Mode quen is a fucking lifesaver once you get the regen health upgrade
>>335006826
almost everything
the combat was good. not the greatest but it was passable and had variety
the story was top notch. It actually felt like a story and not just generic filler.Keep in mind that these are my opinions. You might disagree and thats ok
>>335013730
>Skyrim is a better RPG than Witcher 3
Gotta be bait
You have 1 choice in skyrim stormcloak or imperial everything else ia linear.
Witcher even your first quest can get a guy killed or not.... And it continues, entire quests may not even be available to you depending on what you say or do.
The role playing in witcher is am I a good or bad person.
Try play skyrim quests without coming dragonborn or leader of every single guild
>>335016582
>am i a good or bad person
It's actually not about that, that's mass effect. In witcher all the characters are grey in terms of morality
>>335016149
>If you don't like it that's fine, but don't act like it's a bad game.
Why can't I call it a bad game if I think its a bad game? Could swing that back your way, just because you like it doesn't make it good, either.
I'm not just saying "It's shit" I've went over and over and over why I think its a poor RPG. The gameplay just isn't substantial enough. I've said the quality of the presentation is good, the voice acting and visuals are good. I just don't think it holds up well enough as a game much like other recent WRPGs like Fallout 4 and DA:I, it's all about the presentation and not the gameplay. As a story its fine, but then the books tell the story better anyway. I get what you're saying, it's about playing Geralt, I just don't like how they did it, I could play Geralt but still have more varied combat and dialogue options. I think a lot of the limitations stem from the fact that it's a book series, so the games have to more or less follow the lore and general story there. I think an old-school, "real" adventure game might have fit the series better as it could focus almost entirely on dialogue and interactions with other characters.
And I hate cutscenes in games, I've also said this half a dozen times but I think its a poor way to tell a story in a video game. It's an interactive medium, why remove said interaction and present the player with a video instead? I'm not saying games like Half-Life or Skyrim necessarily have good stories but they present them in a more immersive way that keeps the player engaged and doesn't remind them that they're playing a game by abruptly halting any and all interactivity.
>>335016693
this exchange looks like pasta spamming contest
Is this the same guy that hated on Witcher that also was found out to be some autist that spammed on reddit threads about witcher how much he hated the game ???
I only played W1 but I liked the characters, will surely play 2 and 3.
Speaking of which, I haven't bought 3 yet, it's on gmg right now at 25€, worth it picking it up now or better wait for the GOTY edition with all the DLCs (if it exists?)?
>>335016092
>Game doesn't have any mechanics to express that
Sure it does, I can go around pick-pocketing people, stealing shit from homes, join the thief's guild, and you are typically given more than one response to choose from during dialogue. It's not deep but its there.
>>335016693
Just because you can move your character or the screen around during a dialogue doesn't magically not make it a cutscene. How is standing there having to stare at the poorly voiced and poorly written characters flap their poorly animated gums at you any different than a dialogue in The Witcher? How is it more 'interactive'?
>find a bounty for a troll
>the troll was enlisted by the Redanian Army to guard some boats
>the troll destroyed all the boats and used the wood from them to build a fence to protect the boats which he destroyed
You don't get this shit in Skyrim.
>>335016486
>>335016306
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game
>>335016972
this, also the painting of the redanian eagle was fuckingshit, cause I let geralt do it the first time
>>335016987
>wikipedia
Top kek, show me where it says what constitutes a good high quality RPG
>>335016825
he has couple offsprings
they still use same material for screenshots and same arguments - no effort nobody takes them seriously to respond except those who missed fun times before release
>>335016391
Sorry forgot it's hip to get triggered by the mention of Souls
>>335016972
"Never should of come here!"
>>335016496
>Alt Mode quen is a fucking lifesaver
Damn straight its god mode, I get that straight away on death March untill I level up and get better potions, and witcher gear then I respec and get rid of it.
Alwo alt mode axxi can devistate any human combat.
I play a sign char, medium armor all the way through untillend game where I just max igni and melee.
Get whirl and rend and wreck lower tier enemies.
>>335016662
Yea I was just being generic, but you can do things like not take payment for some contracts, or use axxi or your speech to calm a fight before it happens or yoy can go in all murderous.
A friend of mine didnt realize who the actual novigrad serial killer was because pf his lack of tact and thirst for blood lol.
>>335016912
>Just because you can move your character or the screen around during a dialogue doesn't magically not make it a cutscene
Yeah, it actually does, because a cutscene is explicitly defined as a non-interactive scene that breaks up gameplay.
>>335017019
he not just good singer he also draws!
such wasted talent, that troll could make fortune in redanian circus
>>335017070
I'm so immersed
>>335016912
He wont respond to you. If he says its interactive its interactive
>>335017107
Wow, so just being able to move your head around a bit during a dialogue excuses the game from having terrible writing, presentation, voice acting and atmosphere and makes it automatically better than the Witcher? Got it.
>>335016662
True, It's more about trying to be a good person in situations where it might be easier to be a bad person and trying to make the best of a series of shitty choices.
>>335016693
>Why can't I call it a bad game if I think its a bad game?
Because your argument is based on the false premise that a good RPG is a game that lets you do whatever the fuck you want regardless of the world that's been set up.
>I'm not just saying "It's shit" I've went over and over and over why I think its a poor RPG.
And your arguments have been found lacking
>I just don't think it holds up well enough as a game much like other recent WRPGs like Fallout 4 and DA:I
Do you mean that those other games also don't hold up or that The Witcher doesn't hold up when compared to them, because if it's the latter than wew lad
>Skyrim
>Presenting anything that isn't a buggy clusterfuck
>>335016972
>>335017019
>The quest where Thaler's been kidnapped by trolls so he can make them shoes
The trolls are the best thing about TW3
>>335017107
That's doesn't automatically make it better though. Cut scenes have a whole range of cinematic tools they can use, Skyrim style storytelling is having an npc watch vacantly as you rifle through their draws for loot.
>>335017217
fun fact, you can move camera in tw3 cutscenes
i guess it makes it interactive now, live and learn
>>335017032
That's obviously subjective, but you can objectively measure what's there and how mechanically deep it is.
Point being your whole
>Y-y-you don't get to decide what an RPG is!
line is completely ridiculous, I'm not deciding what an RPG is the existing agreed upon definition of RPG already did it.
>>335017107
>you can move the camera around during dialogue scenes in Witcher 3
>according to your criteria this constitutes as 'interactive'
ahahaha
>>335006826
>what went right
You guys did a great job in the story and the game looked niceALTHOUGH IT COULD HAVE LOOKED NICER
>what went wrong
The combat is mostly enjoyable even if a little repetitive at times. The hitboxes sometimes shit themselves around bosses that use AoE attacks (like the giants) making them hard to dodge.
Also, the camera.
Well, I guess something was kept from TW1.
>>335006969
>Combat is important in RPGs!!!
Stick to Diablo kiddo, real RPGs aren't about the combat.
>>335017325
>>335017410
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
>>335017070
"I yield!""Never should of come here!"
>>335006826
For me personally, i got proper gothic 2 sequel in whole trilogy.
Nostalgia fags can fuck off, i replay g2 very year and know how very by the book of gothic series tw2/3(tw1 is a mix of neverwinter and gothic) is done, except loot - they messed up that part.
>>335017217
>>335017258
>That's doesn't automatically make it better though
No but I feel the interactivity is just kind of squandered and it breaks my immersion to watch a cutscene. It's more jarring to have the game halt gameplay, show you a cutscene, then go back to the gameplay. It takes me out of the world and reminds me that I'm playing a game again, I'm more immersed in a game when I can forget I'm playing one, just as you're probably more immersed and involved in a film when you're not distracted or reminded that you're watching a film, you're drawn into the setting and characters and a break in that "flow" can break immersion.
Games like Half-Life or TES do a better job (not a perfect one) of blending interactivity into the exposition. Obviously there is room to improve though. Games are interactive, they are unique to films in that way and I think we can do a better job of telling stories in games without falling back on cutscenes.
>>335017410
>>335017468
>A cutscene or event scene (sometimes in-game cinematic or in-game movie) is a sequence in a video game that is not interactive, breaking up the gameplay
>gameplay
Moving the camera isn't gameplay just as navigating a DVD menu during playback isn't gameplay.
>>335017332
There is no agreed upon definition. RPG is a general term derived from old tabletop games like D&D that is used to describe a particular subset of games that share some similarities. What constitutes a GOOD RPG is a matter of opinion, and it depends entirely on what the game is trying to do.
Skyrim and TW3 aren't even the same kind of RPG. Skyrim is a sandbox game, all about player freedom and letting you make your own stories, replay value. TW3 is much more narrative-driven and more about moving through a set story and allowing the player to determine how they move through it. Less replay value but a higher level of quality because the stories are actually crafted with context rather than generic for the sake of flexibility like in Skyrim.
Neither is objectively superior because they're both trying to do different things. You may as well be saying "Hamburgers are better than telephones."
>>335017818
Moving your head around during a Skyrim dialogue scene isn't gameplay either.
>>335017849
>There is no agreed upon definition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game
Nothing means anything, man, it's all a construct of our minds!
>>335016896
>Sure it does, I can go around pick-pocketing people, stealing shit from homes, join the thief's guild, and you are typically given more than one response to choose from during dialogue.
You mean things anyone can do no matter what their character build may be because Skyrim is fucked up that way? True.
>>335017719
You are definitely on the spectrum my friend
>>335017917
>still doesn't get it
Definition of a GOOD RPG. You're a fucking idiot.
>>335017917
jesus dude...
>>335017849
What an RPG is clearly defined, thing is it's a genre that went through a massive number of iterations and changes throughout what, 30 years now? This is why people can't agree on what an RPG is - because they were all introduced into the genre at different points in time.
>>335017895
You can choose to back out of and end the dialogue and for dialogue that isn't required for the main questlines you can just walk away and stop listening entirely while they're still talking. You're missing the point though, being that the game doesn't completely halt gameplay, break away to show you a cutscene, then go back to gameplay.
>>335017717
The point of "loot" opens up a whole issue of problems to do with the open world
Almost all the interesting locations you can find are involved in a quest somehow and nothing happens there until you find that quest
I think it was stupid for them to make an open world collectathon for no reason, they really should have actually followed Gothic by making a way smaller but handcrafted world
>>335017960
>That's obviously subjective, but you can objectively measure what's there and how mechanically deep it is.
>>335018165
>I think it was stupid for them to make an open world collectathon for no reason, they really should have actually followed Gothic by making a way smaller but handcrafted world
I absolutely agree. W3 is probably one of few games that have open world but don't really benefit from it in any way other than immersion of having a world you can go around in. Mafia 2 also comes to mind.
>>335017947
>Posting on /v/
>Being on 4chan at all
>He thinks he's not on the spectrum
Seriously though, it's either "Wow, you clearly didn't play it" if you don't explain yourself or "Wow, autism" if you do.
>>335018243
>one of few games that have open world but don't really benefit from it in any way other than immersion of having a world you can go around in
Please tell me one game that is part of the recent open world trend whose open world was actually fun
>>335018116
To be honest actual cutscene/menu based dialogue is way better from a storytelling perspective. It creates a focus on the dialogue and story that you lose in bethesda-type character interaction that's almost entirely consequence free. The difference is one of framing the story as either important (e.g. The Witcher) or as a distraction from looting a house (bethesda)
>>335018405
not the same guy, but any assassin's creed game. yeah I don't personally like them because collecting shit while guided with gps isn't my thing, but it's there and apparently enjoyable for people who want that hing. also mad max where open world was driving cars across desert and was somehow really enjoyable.
>>335013183
Wolves don't level with you though. Wolves are always weak and easy. Leveling was generally a mix of Oblivion and Morrowind; most enemies scale, but some do not.
Can agree with you that guilds were mismanaged though.
>>335018507
From what I understand, Mad Max was full of useless collectibles and nothing else (haven't played it though)
And stuff like Assassin's Creed is exactly what my point is
You have a pretty big open area but absolutely nothing worth finding in it
Assassin's Creed 2 actually cured me of my completionism because all those fucking chests and animus glitches in it
Collectible hunts are the worst
>>335018594
>Wolves don't level with you though
I'm pretty sure everything in Skyrim levels with you to a certain point until it reaches its max level
>>335018460
It just always breaks my immersion, I think that's more important when playing a game. I feel less involved, that I'm more of a passive observer rather than a participant.
>>335018696
>my immersion, I think that's more important when playing a game. I feel less involved, that I'm more of a passive observer rather than a participant.
>>335018696
I'm sorry, I didn't read the entire quote chain
Are you saying it's important that you feel less involved in the story? In an RPG?
>>335018629
I think the reason so many people are all over open world games with collectable shit is precisely because it reminds them of their SNES and N64 autistic collectathons they enjoyed when they were kids and had all the time in the world. Except convenience features ruin any modern attempts at those.
Did they fix this game's horrible fucking combat yet or what? It's the worst I've experienced in a modern games like this.
>game has this gay ass auto-snap on mechanic when an enemy appears in front of you
>this hampers any free movement you have and slows down your movement speed immensely
>can't even hop over small fences or anything when auto snapped onto an enemy
>your melee attacks are dumbed down to just simple 2 button mashable attacks
>combos are nonexistent (even 2011's Dragon's Dogma had fucking melee combos)
>adrenaline meter may as well be deemed pointless
>you dismember an enemy 0.2% of the time when its actually filled
>when an enemy uses a spear on you, his dropped weapon is a sword when you loot his body
>>335019029
I forgot to bitch about the auto unsheathing as well. I used to get pissed at Dark Souls for punishing you for not doing this yourself. Now I actually appreciate it.
