Would somebody explain to me how Anor Londo can connect with Irithyll of the Boreal Valley without a disconnect from DS1 lore? If it's the same Anor Londo, why would there be no trace of Irithyll in DS1?
Simple fanservice?
Anor Londo was preserved for the most part, but the rest of the land changed over the millenia. Ash Lake/Izalith remains are present as well. Dukes Archives too
>>334950620
Because Dark Souls 3 takes place thousands and thousands of years after DS1. Anor Londo has fallen, and new kingdoms and civilizations have sprung around and connected to it. You might as well be asking why there is a modern city connected to the Real Life Vatican without a disconnect from real world history.
In addition to this, Lothric is a weird place that warped a bunch of different locations to the same general area. Its been like this for a while apparently however.
>>334950620
The flow of time has become convoluted and the transitory lands of the lords of cinder converge
>>334950620
ds doesn't have lore
the way a I look at it, Irithyll is the lower part of anor londo you never visit in dark souls 1
>>334950620
There is no explanation. Another example of From/Miyazaki being hacks and bending over backwards to perform fan service.
It's honestly as bad as the Earthen Peak to Iron Keep transition.
>>334950868
This. The cycle of light and dark probably means the new civilizations that came after ds1 (lothric) were thousands of years after. And then lothric falls. Basically the cycle of light and dark are so consistent than the civ. Of 1,2 and 3 barely have time to get to the feudal age before their shit gets pushed in by a new dark/light cycle.
>>334951031
Considering the name shifts to Anor Londo once you reach the main area, maybe only the big O&S building and its immediate surroundings are called that, where as the rest might have a different name. Maybe "Anor Londo" means something similar to "The Vatican".
It honestly seems really pointless to try to piece together geographical locations in Souls games. There are things in these games that are believable within it's nonsense and I think Anor Londo being where it is is one of those.
A volcano on top of a Windmill tho....
>>334950791
>mountains change but not the buildings
That's p retarded
>>334950620
>there are DaS2 items in the game
>DaS2 is canon
>Anor Londo was underwater in DaS2
>it's above water now
wut
>>334951771
>buildings can't be repaired
ok anon
>>334951923
>Anor Londo was underwater in DaS2
citation needed. Heide is not anor londo.
>>334951771
Wasn't Anor Londo a city of gods? Maybe the bricks are divine too.
>>334951585
It's not nearly as ridiculous. The elevation of Anor Londo alone would justify this bs but not Iron Keep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rI7nrqYYi4
Here is your answer
>>334950620
i thought irithyl is the city part of anor londo
you always wanted to go there - now you can
>>334952382
Yeah if you don't buy the mountains eroding idea this is also a good one. If not the same city a city built among the ruins or on the foundation of the one below Anor Londo in DS1.
>>334952382
THIS is the only halfway feasible explanation.
Does anyone have pictures of the background of DS1 A.L. available that can confirm or deny?
>>334952819
Idiot, those buildings wont be the same because of the time difference. Only the top part has been preserved, the rest has probably been torn apart and rebuilt over and over.
>>334950620
>Can someone please explain to me how places that you get to via teleporting bonfires are connected?
>>334953015
the fucking fool!
>>334953235
You don't warp up there faggot.
>>334953015
>top part preserved
>physics dictate that the top part would be the most structurally unstable in response to myriad forms of time/weather attrition
>"dark souls has lore, I swear!!! DELETE THIS!"
>>334951585
What the fuck are you talking about, only the cathedral of Anor Londo was kept which was propably important for people since it was city of gods, it's like saying that st. paul's cathedral being kept for centuries is ridiculous.
>>334953305
Delete that, thanks.
>>334950791
I don't remember the old Dukes Archives that well, is that supposed to be Grand Archives or what? How does that work?
>>334950620
The buildings attached to Anor Londo are different from DaS1. The spot with the archers and the bat demons is lowered in DaS3.
>>334951923
>>334951953
>>334952073
Maybe Ds1 - Ds3 - Ds2? Heide did look very much like Anor Londo, it was greatly assumed at the time it was a futuristic anor londo that got flooded.
I'm not saying this is all true, just what we thought at the time.
>people still fall for the "link the fire" trick
>>334950620
In a previous era, but following Dark Souls 1, the Abyss grew and consumed most of Lordran, with exception of the main cathedral of Anor Londo.
At some point another hero or lord, defeated the Abyss and linked the flame, which caused it to recede once more.
A new kingdom Irythil formed around the remnants Anor Londo.
It's simple.
The cathedral is literally the only thing left of Anor Londo of old and it was only kept secure by Gwyndolin's presence.
Irithyll was built during Pontiff's time in the ruins of Anor Londo.
>>334953305
gwyndolin was looking after the main cathedral for a long ass time before he got eaten
>>334953742
>i told them to link the fire because im an angel and they believed me
>the absolute madmen!
WHAT ARE ALL THE BUILDINGS IN THE KILN
WHY DOES IT LOOK NOTHING LIKE IT DOES IN THE FIRST GAME ANYWAY
Please spoonfeed.
>>334953742
The age of dark is literally the end of all life.
Kaathe is a selfish serpent who has grown bored of his immortality and wishes to end his existence.
>>334953965
it's clearly lothric castle
>>334953870
Where is this?
DLC when?
Can someone answer this about Dark Souls?
I only played 1 to Sen's Fortress.
Are there any happy people? Are their families and children? Place just seems so dead, but then there is all this talk of there being like three kingdoms that have risen and fell.
>>334951031
I thought this because of the pictures of Gwynevere and stuff.
>>334954009
Well, what happened to it, and when?
>>334954076
Nobody is really sure what is going on outside of the game worlds in each game.
>>334954076
no families or children, it is supposed to be dead. You basically are always playing at the end of days and trying to recreate some form of normal existence for the people living after your game ends.
Actually wait, there was a certain father searching for his daughter... but that is it. This is in both DS2 and DS1.
>>334954076
Lordran is pretty much abandoned of all civilization with the influx of violent and desperate undead and hollows.
It's also not a very stable place to live given you can switch in and out of multiple spaces and times by simply walking around.
Hard to keep consistent relationships.
The kingdoms of men still exist in the outlands where presumably some form of happiness and comfort exists.
>>334954293
Thats kind of sad. You fight to restore the world and never see it as a player.
Just another ruined world each game.
>>334953870
Shit I remember seeing that statue before Lothric and it's so ridiculous it hurts. What is the fucking deal with the tiny wings? What's going on with these people and acid trips?
>>334954320
So the whole world isn't fucked then? Pretty good to know.
>>334954552
In classic mythology, the serpent was said to have wings before god punished them and removed them
>>334954670
yeah that's really helpful
the ancient culture of "classic"
>>334954198
Linking the fire causes a large explosion so in that area everything was destroyed.
>>334953574
i think it's based in the old king's area where you fight Oceiros
that's why he's a crazy dragon he found all of Seath's research
>>334950620
I'm not gonna spoon feed you on the lore of the game, it is explained, you didn't pay attention, eat shit.
>>334954076
>Are their families and children?
off courshestill not as scary as the shit in the swamp during the Astrea fight in DeS
>>334954821
Those buildings were there like that before you link the fire, so its not Lothric Castle then.
>>334954918
Everything in DeS was spookier. Imagine if they hadn't cut the Northern Limits.
Fucking endless snow castle in DeS.
>>334954076
>Are there any happy people?
mmmmmmmh
yes, they don't stay happy for long though, lmao
>Are their families and children?
severalin the catacombs
>Place just seems so dead
it's the end of an age famalam
> but then there is all this talk of there being like three kingdoms that have risen and fell.
Yeah you are playing after they fell, except for Catarina and Carim that are still going by dark souls 3.
>>334950620
I got a better question regarding geography that doesn't make any sense.
Ok.
The Untended Graves is the original Firelink Shrine(DS3) that was aparrently built around the ORIGINAL Firelink Shrine(DS1)
Taking that into account, how the fuck is it that Anor Londo is now BELOW the firelink shrine?
Also, if the Profaned Capital is the Firelink Altar, would that also mean that the profaned flame is the flame that was INSIDE the Lordvessel that is still around?
And what happened to the Kiln of the First Flame? It doesn't look anything like how it did in DS1. Not even a little. WHAT IS GOING ON?
>>334950620
anor londo time travelled into the future and aldrich and his boyfriend the pontiff took over and built Irithyll around it
>>334954552
The serpents pose as angels and ruse the kings into continuing the cycle, again.
>>334954810
It's in the bible and in almost every other type of western mythology, genius.
>>334955272
That's actually interesting. Ridiculous, but interesting. I'll do some more research.
>>334955239
some previous kalpa the abyss consumed most everything
and the the fire got linked again and it receded and spat everything back out
AHH, KAATHE, OR SOME SAY DARKSTALKER... DO YOU HEAR OUR PRAYERS?
AS YOU ONCE DID FOR THE FIRE-KEEPING GIRL, GRANT US EYES, GRANT US EYES! PLANT EYES IN OUR SKULLS, TO CLEANSE OUR BEASTLY FIRE-LINKING!
THE GRAND LAKE OF ASH, HIDDEN NOW FROM SIGHT... THE DARK SOUL, OF COURSE!
NOW LET US SIT ABOUT, AND SPEAK FEVERISHLY, CHATTING INTO THE WEE HOURS OF... NEW IDEAS, OF THE PROFANED FLAME!
>>334953870
Frampt just wanted to dress like a lady didn't he
>>334955239
Speaking of which, what was up with all the lamps, goblets and charred corpses in the Profaned Capital?
>>334955239
Whenever the cycle restarts the new world is built on top of the old one, quite literally.
Remember ask lake? Gwyn literally just built anor Londo on top of the archtrees.
And then when Anor Londo fell, Lothric built their castle higher than theirs.
Profaned capital isnt firelink altar, thats in Lothric castle iirc.
Prevailing theory is your firelink shrine is another timeline entirely
>>334955239
Negalink is the Firelink of Ludleth's cycle. Firelink Shrine, and the Fire Keeper, were ruined by the Dark. Nobody fetched the Lords soon enough to link the fire (Champion Gundyr arrived too late), and so Ludleth linked it from within the Age of Dark, gaining enough power to do so purely by willpower.
He made a fresh Firelink Shrine, complete with an illusory Gundyr to test fresh Unkindled, to try again in future cycles. Remember that Ludleth is a top-top-top-tier sorcerer.
>>334954497
it's supposed to be sad anon, it is part of the atmosphere.
>>334955650
>Profaned capital isnt firelink altar, thats in Lothric castle iirc.
No, that's quite literally under Irythill/Anor Londo. It even looks like the firelink altar.
>>334955641
And why the fuck is stormruler back? I love that weapon, it gave me a massive erection remembering Demon's souls, but really.. As far as I know it's not a meme weapon like Moonlight sword. I require answers.
>>334955740
>>334955650
I got this. But why does it seems that the firelink shrine from ds1 didn't also move below?
And why does the Kiln look like an entirely different area? Unless it's intended to be and over the ages the thing just moved?
>>334955913
From always puts hints of other games in their shit.
See Patches or Moonlight Sword.
Almost had Umbasa in Bloodborne.
>>334954076
>Are you a Hunter? Yes, I knew it! You smell just like papa! ... Please, could you find my mum? She went off to find dad, and hasn't came back...
>oh, and take this. Mum always plays it for papa whenever he gets upset. She's so silly, running off without it!
>Oh thank you, Mr. Hunter! I love you almost as much as dad, AND granddad!
>>334955641
AFAIK from a pyromancy, the charred corpses are because when Yhorm woke the Profaned Flame, it scorched the entire capital, searing down from the skies.
>>334955558
AHAHAHAHAHA SPLENDID
UNKINDLED ASH IS UNKINDLED ASH EVEN IN A DREAM
BUT ALAS
NOT TOO FAST
>>334955272
>Armor of the Winged Knights, who swore themselves to the Angels.
>Worship of the divine messengers was viewed as heresy in Lothric and unrecognized by any of the Three Pillars of rule.
>This is believed to be why Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter, was imprisoned in the lofty cell of the Grand Archives.
>divine messengers
>angels
>>334956036
Ok, that makes sense.
But what IS the Profaned Flame and why did it make Sullyvhan go power hungry?
Was it the First Flame?
>>334955979
(Dark) Firelink Shine isn't the same location as Firelink from DaS1.
And the structures surrounding the Kiln probably just got lost to the relentless march of time. Geography changes when uncounted ages roll past.
>>334956009
'sup?
>>334954631
No just 98% of the world is fucked with multiple kingdoms now being crumbling ruins full of murderous hobo zombies
>>334956196
>(Dark) Firelink Shine isn't the same location as Firelink from DaS1.
Fair nuff.
>>334951585
>you can every location in the game from the giant archer tower except the boreal valley because it's a valley
>you can even see anor londo from there
Yes, exactly as bad as iron keep.
>>334956081
Is Gertrude's cell findable?
I hate to pretend like the DLC will have anything to do with it since it rarely expands on the parts of the lore that mean the most to the story.
>>334954918
>see items in the swamp
>CAUGHT THE PLAGUE
>little red fucks rise out of the goop
>block your way
>stab you in the dick repeatedly
Lotta good you did here, Astrea.
>>334956354
yes, climb to the top of grand archives and drop down a little hatch
>>334956081
So basically Lothric wasnt listening to the serpents and said fuck it, let the fire die.
Thats why they made you go there to kill him and drag him back for them.
>>334956170
>The Profaned Flame was triggered by the curse of these women, relatives of a certain oracle, but despite their culpability, they went on living, without any cares. -- Eleonora
the Profaned Flame is a special cursed fire, that only scorches human flesh (and literally nothing else). Except the casters, of course. What, specifically, it is, or why the curse was cast, is not known.
The reason why it nuked the town after Yhorm became a Lord of Cinder (despite it existing before he did so, he had became a Lord to extinguish it), is probably because he tried to use it as fuel for Linking the Fire, but that plan backfired.
>>334956354
Yeah and you get the Angel Knights pillar of light spell there as well.
Reminder that Dark Souls 2 is no longer canon.
The Old Ones couldn't have the Lord Souls if it was part of the Soul of Cinder.
Every DaS2 item only vaguely describes itself - "Drang Armour" instead of just naming it "Drangleic Armour". The Fume Ultra Great Sword only stating it "belonged to a traitor long ago", without actually giving out any information.
DaS2 has been soft retconned.
>>334955996
Yep I know about that, but Patches is some sort of recurring character, just like Moonlight sword, so you EXPECT him to be there. Stormruler on the other hand.. never seen it in other games. Which is why it struck me.
>>334956436
Oh yeah!
I did find that spot.
It's a bird cage full of ashen feathers gaurded by the winged fattties..
>>334956469
No, they were totally listening to the fire-favoring serpents, since the Princes were groomed to become Lords of Cinder from birth.
>>334950620
The fucking Parthenon still stands in the middle of a modern city with millions of people.
It's the same thing.
>>334956524
Patches appears armored core.
Moonlight Sword is from King's field.
These little things CROSS franchises.
>>334951771
It's literally the Mount Olympus of the setting. The divine homeland of the Gods.
>>334950620
Anor Londo in ds1 was just an illusion! :o
>>334956516
another adventure in another time
like legend of zelda
Town area you don't visit in 1. Someone built shit there some time later.
It's not hard to figure out.
>>334956269
delete this post right now
>>334956482
>relatives of a certain oracle,
So who was this Oracle?
>>334953653
Heide didn't look anything like Anor Londo.
>>334956678
her name wasupcoming dlc :^)
>>334956325
>can see Anor Londo?
Really? Is it blocked by Farron Keep or something so you can't notice it easily if you don't know what you are looking for?
>>334956592
well the king has gone mad because even though theyve groomed them his sons turned out weak, and the whole castle is in civil war between the princes and their father. Lothric himself refuses to do anything.
>>334956615
Yeah, ok, I get that. I was just surprised to see it because, as I said, Moonlight and Patches are known to be there in almost every game. You don't even question it. When you see something so specific, like Stormuler, which isn't a common recurring item, you wonder if there's a special connection. You don't go ahead and say "oh right it's another meme element" because you don't expect to find it. Which is why I asked if someone had opinions.
>>334956081
It could also be refrencing those things flying around in the sky above the castle.
>>334950620
Time is convoluted ;)
>>334956325
it's boreal valley shrouded in the fog to the left here right?
>>334956516
Mirrah armor blows your theory the fuck out.
>>334956841
You can see Anor Londo from the start of the Settlement and from Vordt's ledge.
>>334954552
He's openly mocking you.
>>334957191
And Gilligan
Who the fuck cares, you lore faggots can't stop finding shit to nitpick about and worst of all it's mostly wrong and you're just too dumb to understand. STOP.
>>334956516
Everything is shortened to Drang so that the items don't have really long names, makes it easier to fit into the windows/UI/etc
>>334950620
>mfw listening to this while I arrived
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce3hVo9VMhg
>>334956516
Nothing in DaS2 has been retconned save the theory that Drangleic exists where Lordran did, and even that can still make sense, considering they flat out say in DaS3:
>Listen faggot all these lands are converging beneath Lothric castle
>>334957270
Damn I've never noticed that somehow. Maybe because I was spending more time to look at stuff I've been to already instead of checking out new areas.
>>334956678
Alsanna is the only named oracle in the series, if I remember right. She had a link to the bed of chaos, which is vaguely like a profane flame.
But I don't think there's meant to be a connection.
>>334957270
It's kinda easy to confuse with the Cathedral of the deep if you don't know the geography I guess.
GUYS GUYS WHAT IF THE SUN'S FIRSTBORN ISnameless king
>>334957363
>>334957303
>>334957191
>>334957412
None of these state anything about what happened during Dark Souls 2. All these examples do, is say that a location known as Mirrah, perhaps also Drangleic, exist. And that Gilligan existed - all of which would be possible without the story of Dark Souls 2 taking place.
If Dark Souls 2 took place, how could the four Old Ones have the four Lord Souls?
Especially if it's supposed to take place before the events of Dark Souls 3. Are you telling me Lordran changed into Drangleic but then morphed back into Lothric (which is certainly similar to Lordran, and not at all to Drangleic)
>>334957491
The LoD can be pretty bad, and you're not really looking for it. I'd imagine most people don't realize that everything you see from there is a place you can go.
I didn't figure it out until I was looking at that giant cliff to your right when you enter boreal valley. Turns out that's the cliff with the curse-rotted greatwood church.
>>334957669
Like Manus the four Old Ones and a shard or piece of the original lords that remained after linking the Flame.
>>334957730
damn, too bad the map is linear but at least they bothered with stuff like this
So what's the deal with Oceiros and Ocelotte? Are they parents of the Princes? Is Oceiros the king of Lothric? Why is he hiding in that garden and what is his purpose? Why is the dark firelink inside the castle?
>>334957791
Except that the four Lord Souls are a part of the Soul of Cinder. There's no explainable way the four Old Ones could've gotten those souls.
It's not even just a reincarnation story, which would've made more sense. Nito reincarnating into the being that becomes the Rotten? No problem. The Rotten also having his own soul AND Nito's soul, though?
I actually liked Dark Souls 2 - I just don't see any logical way for it to fit together with DaS1 and 3 anymore. None at all
>>334957730
Here's the road of sacrifice and halfway fortress in the lower left, and the farron swamp area in the top right. You might have noticed that the broken bridge you climb up in the swamp with the stray demon is the broken bridge between undead settlement and lothric.
>>334957491
You can see a lot of shit from the ledge after Vordt
>Farron's Keep
>Anor Londo
>Archdragon Peak
>Settlement
>Cathedral of the Deep
>Some mountain village we never visit, but might be DLC
>Huge lake behind Farron's Keep that we never visit
>>334957669
>Especially if it's supposed to take place before the events of Dark Souls 3.
DS2 was just yet another roll of the cycle, it happened ages ago in another kingdom. I don't understand why you faggots are so intent on trying to make it 'non-canon' when it has no real bearing on anything either way.
>>334950791
Also Catacombs of Carthus is right above smouldering lake/Izalith just like the original catacombs/tomb of the giants was above demon ruins/lost izalith
>>334957924
Ocerios is the former King of Lothric and Ocelot is his mutant dragon baby. After he lost his mind Lothric probably had him locked up down there so he could take the throne for himself.
>>334957993
Yes how could Nito be killed in DaS1, reincarnated in DaS2 and eaten by Aldrich at another point in time.
Are there any lore videos out there yet? I can't be bothered to think about these things myself.
>>334958015
And here's a very low res cathedral of the deep, overlooking where the giant archer shoots zombies to help you out.
The geography is great in the game, and everywhere you go makes sense. It's just too spread out over land to interconnect like a lot of DS1 did.
>>334957669
I actually thought for a while that Londor = Lordran, especially since it's a land overrun by hollows and completely forsaken. Until I found Anor Londo, that is.
Also, who is chibi Priscilla? She refers to herself as a sister of Gwynevere but Gwynevere didn't have the fluffy tail. Did Gwyn fuck Priscilla?
Also, so far Champion Gundyr is the best boss. He is fun, quite challenging and his theme is very intriguing, considering where he is found. I beat him second try but had a lot of fun, as opposed to shit like Aldrich.
>>334958236
Aldrich ate Nito's already-dead corpse and stole his shit. In DaS2, he's not even "Nito" any more if he was reincarnated as the Rotten, anyway. Even then..
How could Aldrich eat Nito, if we killed Nito in 1, he then reincarnated in 2, we killed him again and this time he's not even close to Lordran?
>>334957669
They explain this in the game: souls are immortal. Even if you lose the souls, parts of them remain (soul memory) so even if you consume Gwyn's soul in the first Dark Souls, eventually it will return in some form. And the fire itself seems to retain part of the souls of all those who have linked it.
>>334953305
So how is Big Ben still around despite the entire area around it being completely rebuilt after the great burning of london and the massive reconstruction to the city done after the nazi air raid bombings and siege during WW2?
>>334958236
>>334958236
Why lock him up though? Why not just kill him? Also, I guess the baby is still alive, since you can hear its cry?
makes no sense at all. anor londo was built on top of a mountain and in DaS3 it's basically the lowest point geographically other than boreal valley. Even the fucking giant is still there so it's not a different anor londo. I think dark souls fails at lore and story telling period. Nothing makes sense and trying to piece it all together is a waste of time because even from software doesn't know. They just make these games up as they go because of time restraints.
>>334958414
Yorshka was adopted by Gwyndolin as treated her like a sister.
>>334958365
I notoiced the white trees in the swamp and cathedral are in places with line of sight from the giant's tower. That's a nice touch
>>334958559
>Nothing is explained to me!
>Nothing makes sense!
One thing I don't have issue with is Anor Londo's location because civilisations in Dark Souls build upwards, as another anon mentioned in this thread.
But of course you would have known it if you weren't dropped hard as a child and actually read the thread.
>>334958559
I believe the creator simply stated he thinks of the gameplay mechanics first and the lore second
Game would've blown my mind if they managed to incorporate a demolished part of undead burg or something
>>334958559
Buildings can sink over time and Anor Londo was a big heavy building.
>>334958559
Earthquakes can shift mountains. Land can sink.
People can build upwards and pile up entire mountains.
>>334950880
This.
The intro tells you right then and there.
Even if you dont buy that, the final area is the nail in the coffin.
How can people be this retarded?
>>334958559
it teleported you dunce
>>334958736
Try to justify the shitty lore all you want it makes no sense. Where did the massive mountain lothric was built on come from?
>>334959228
It's own world
>>334958559
It wasn't really that much higher than the rest of the world. It just had a huge as fuck wall that surrounded it. It's like it was in a bowl.
You can see the walls of Anor londo well from Oolacile/darkroot garden and both of those locations are pretty low, just like the woods/Farron keep are low in 3.
Also Anor Londo still have the same mountain ridges behind it as in 1.
>>334959228
Ash.
People fail to realize that, without thinking about the convoluted time, 3 takes place THOUSANDS of years in the future.
Do you know how much can change within thousands of years even without human interaction"?
>>334953974
You're retarded. It's literally called "The Age of Man" in DaS
>>334951010
Well I don't think that handheld console really needs a lore.
>the messages and bloodstains stay the same between untended graves, real firelink, and the kiln
what did he mean by this?
>>334959430
Geographically? Not that much.
Ive not played the game yet but seen some gameplay / streams and it might just be me but it feels like they went way way overboard with the dark souls 1 callbacks and references. I'm all for abit of fan service but straight up putting seigward back in the game, another big giant with a bow, firelink shrine, anor lando, artorias' armor and the same rings and even some stuff from dark souls 2 is in there again.
Is there also demon souls stuff in there? It wouldn't surprise me.
>>334959806
Lazy programmers.
>>334959981
Since this is the last game in the series, theyre going out with a bang, bringing back everything we loved from the last 4 games into one.
>>334959981
It's supposedly the last Dark Souls so it makes sense to bring back some of the most beloved elements, call it pandering but I thought it was nice.
>>334960058
>Boss fight arena that lets you re-fight any boss from any game at any point
That'd be pretty cool tbhdesu
>>334958618
Felt so good when he started shooting stuff at the end of the graveyard area. Easily one of the top moments in the game for me.
>>334950620
i dont know, but Undead just love my ass
>>334958559
The geography is literally shifting in DS3 did no one actually pick up on this?
Item descriptions talk about the high wall just appearing one day cutting off the undead settlement. Emma tells you about how the homes of the old lords are 'churning' and 'converging at the base of the castle.
The geography around Anor Londo doesn't make sense because it moved.This is also why at the end of the game everythings mashed together in one place.
>>334959981
Seigward is a new character. You may be thinking of Seigmeyer.
How do I get in this area?
It's right by the start of the Irithyll before the 3 knights.
>>334959981
>Is there also demon souls stuff in there
Gundyr is a reference to Burger King
>>334960376
Keep progressing until you see a church on your left. It's through there.
>>334960376
If memory serves, that's accessed through an illusory path that will be on your left side if you continue straight through Irithyll the normal way.
>>334960190
>giantbro in the distance watching out for you
>>334960380
storm ruler sword is the obvious one
>>334950620
The opening states that Lothric is a kingdom where the disjointed time threads converge, so you get different kingdoms across different areas except Irithyll and Anor Londo are implied to have an established connection outside of this explanation because Pontiff''s soul states that he fed Gwyndolin to Aldritch.
There are confusing elements to Dark Souls' time explanation that means somethings won't have a clear explanation.
Ornstein is killed in DaS1, comes back in 2 as an abyss warrior, but in 3, his armor states that he left the Cathedral in search of nameless king.
>>334953974
The Age of Dark is humanity reverting to its natural state.
It basically becomes the age of humanity, though, maybe not quite as we would recognise humanity.
This isnt DS2 all over agin, all of these lands are distant lands that were pulled together so the fire could be linked. Theres an item description saying "When the high wall appeared it blocked so and so road" or something, meaning it literally appeared. Also prince lothric "Left to watch the flame die from far away" but that castle is like ground zero now.
>>334960210
Yeah but they're the same thing pretty much
>>334959981
IT'S A DIRECT SEQUEL YOU FUCKING RETARD
holy fuck you guys are dumb
is every fucking direct sequel in existence fanservice then ?
The world is smashing different pieces together. You can see this in how the High Wall "appeared" over the Undead Settlement, or how the Carthus Catacombs are here despite not being in Carthus.
>>334960524
yeah, he is cool though
There's a city below Anor Londo in case you didn't notice.
>>334953870
Anyone else super fucking disappointed that neither Frampt or Kaathe were in Dark Souls 3?
>>334960548
The most atmospheric place in all the souls games for me is that place. Except maybe ash lake.
>>334960727
It's a 'direct sequel' where you play as a different character, in a different setting, and in no way continue any of the story threads set up in the previous iterations.
Lord of the Rings is a direct sequel to The Hobbit but does not include all that much fanservice.
>>334960838
seems they went right under your nose, as they intended
>>334953870
>>334955272
>>334960476
>>334960512
>illusory banister
Would have never found it otherwise.
Thanks
>>334960376
Hit a railing on the balcony above it. Should be the railing on the right.
>>334959806
They're the same location, the Untended Graves is just the Cemetery of Ash right after the a previous Linking of The Flame. Messages are supposed to float through cracks in time and whatnot.
>>334960727
I know but there are way too many similarities / rehashes. Its straight up pandering.
>>334954997
I think it is lothric castle but in some separate, yet similar dimension?
>>334960957
I'm pretty sure I only found it because of a message.
>>334960927
>different setting
guess the necromancer in the hobbit is fanservice then
>>334960927
But the hobbit included a shit ton of LOTR fanservice.
>>334961050
I found it because the lizard ran up to it
>>334961025
what the fuck are you talking about you retard ? look at every fucking game sequel in existence, it's not going to change the genre or something like this
>>334961129
10/10. You got me anon.
It's a mimic. An Anor Londo Mimic.
>>334961257
No, Im serious. Hobbit is a prequel and it included shit tons of references to the lotr movies and callbacks that it gave me a headache.
>The very nature of the Dark Souls setting is that the fabric of reality is tenuous due to the fading of the fire
>also have had wars with gods and demons and mythical creatures and abominations with unfathomable powers
>people still baffled by the idea of civilizations being wiped out or locations not synching up directly with where their equivalents were thousands of years ago or even that game progression down some hallway or up some elevator transition shouldn't be taken 100% literally
>>334960927
>A saga literally built upon an even that was central to the previous installation
>Recurring characters, even though almost 70 years have passed
>Cameo characters
>Same albeit expanded geography
>Occasional direct reference
You're such a fucking faggot, anon, holy shit
>>334961362
Dropped to a 6/10. You overplayed your hand. Last response you'll get from me.
>>334953653
well... aldritch wanted the age of deep sea sooo...
anor londo, heide (flooded), anor londo again (not flooded) and aldritch is here to wait the flood again
Why are npc quests so difficult in this game?
I've made it to the profaned capital and realized I haven't seen any of the npcs for the last 10 hours or some. Read up about some of the questlines and it appears like I've failed all of them already by somehow missing someone because I took a different path.
I did the Yuria sigil stuff but I never found Anri in the catacombs and already killed Horace in ashen lake.
Sirris hates me and ditched my ass because I asked for some stupid covenant emblem for completion sake
Seigward was a lost cause from the start beacause I've never been able to find Seigward myself in DS1 too.
I've missed Greirat is gone god knows where and hasn't come back the second time
I don't think I could've fucked up ore if I tried.
>>334955239
>The flow of time has become convoluted and the transitory lands of the lords of cinder converge
From this we can gather that the lands are literally shifting and mashing into each other.
Shit's fucked yo
How accurate is this map and how do we upgrade it?
>>334961678
I know you're trolling me. But for the idiots who think I'M the one who's messing around, just look at legolas in the hobbit movies. He wasn't there in the books, they even had to create another elvish love story to mirror the aragorn one. Bilbo looking at the sword and the sauron painting just like frodo in LOTR... the list is endless.
>>334961982
The hell is this even based on?
I'm still mad.
>>334961982
How exactly did we get to the conclusion of this map?
>>334962102
>>334962192
Picking names out of a hat and throwing them in random places
>>334962102
Dark soul (xbox 360 exclusive)
>>334961648
Fanservice is when you include elements that aren't essential to the main narrative for the sole purpose of appealing to fans of the previous installment.
Pokemon Gold/Silver is pretty packed with fanservice, LotR is not.
>>334962301
LOTR, no, the hobbit movies, yep.
>>334962268
Then not accurate at all
>>334962140
Reeks of DLC
>>334962059
Not to mention putting characters like saruman, elrond, galadriel straight into the hobbit movies.
>>334962140
What door is that?
>>334962750
Anor Londo. Right of the main entrance.
>>334962750
Giant blacksmith > Giant door that leads to O&S Arena < That fucking door
>>334959806
If you use the tree to get on the roof of untouched firelink and go to where the silver ring is the chest is already open, seems like they just take your shrine and duplicate it sans NPCs
Dark Souls lore is too confusing
>>334963164
It's only confusing because of lore fags making it more convoluted than it is.
>>334963164
Not really
>>334963164
You're not getting it,no one understands it, you just pretend you do and shout git gud at people who say they dont
>>334963164
Try Elder Scrolls Lore
>>334963448
>DUDE CHIM LMAO
not that hard desu
FACT
Yhorm is the coolest Lord of Cinder
>Yhorm, old friend. I've come to fulfill my promise!
>Long may the Sun shine on this Lord of Cinder!
>>334963397
YOU'RE not getting it, because it's supposed to be confusing and shrouded in mystery, no one really understand it. We only get bits and pieces to puzzle together what is currently going on, some of what has happened, some of what MAY have happened but is unclear, and some of what may happen.
Here's how I see it. Assuming that Irithyll is built around Anor Londo, we can figure out how it gets its name - Anor londo is surrounded by a high wall, forming a sharp drop below. On one side it's blighttown, on the other it could be cold. If you look at it that way, the whole picture comes together. Farron Keep is built where blighttown/darkroot garden/valley of drakes used to be, expalining where the oolacile set and scroll comes from and its position relative to the demon ruins. Using the DaS map viewer, you can see there's another cliff opposite the anor londo wall, and I posture that's where Lothric is built, considering it's across Farron Keep.
So it actually lines up pretty well.
>>334953305
That's not true at all, it depends on environmental conditions. Near the sea, lower terrain tends to erode much faster
>>334963604
>CHIM
CHIM is just the surface of ES lore.
Where's everybody getting this shit about time being all fucked up?
>>334963601
>Metal gear deeper than souls
Nope famtachi.
Discarded.
>>334963749
The only real dumb thing is that Lothric is basically Undead Burg, the original firelink, the original door to the kiln, and the duke's archives. Which means it swallowed up Sen's Fortress as well.
>>334963914
You just don't get Kojima's vision, anon
>>334963164
>>334963281
>>334958365
I'd really like for someone to noclip out of the area and screenshot everything from above if that was even possible
>>334963779
how far down does the rabbit hole go?
>>334960181
Well fuck me I never made the connection that it's the giant from the tower, I thought it was another one hiding somewhere
How am I this unobservant
>>334950620
>Simple fanservice
Its another, 'Its okay when miyazaki does it!' episode
>>334960524
WHY DOES THE GIANT DIE WHEN YOU FIND 6 WHITE BRANCHES?
IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!!
>>334964260
Elder Scrolls as we know it is just a virtual reality program simulating dreams of a 9th dimensional AI while space faring civilizations wage war across a multiverse utilizing 7th to 11th dimensional mathematics.
It's fucking stupid.
>>334958435
So everything you do is completely futile
>>334954076
>their
>>334964476
that's dumb
Demon's Souls on the ps4 when?
>>334964492
Except the part where you extend everyone's existence for hundreds of years.
>>334964729
NEVER EVER XD
>>334964624
That's what happens when you let a drug addict obsessed with Hinduism write your lore while high on acid in the middle of winter with no heat in his house except a single fire going in the fireplace.
>>334964816
sounds like a fun time to be quite honest
>>334963601
These charts are always amusing.
Hey, do you know what YOU guys need?
>>334950620
I thought about that too when I got there and the only explanation is that Aldrich built right after DS1 happened.
I mean, he was the king of the place for god knows how many years.
Guess thats explain why the city is intact while the castle is fucked up.
>there are people ITT who think that the Nameless King is harder than Champion Gundyr
>>334963448
TES lore is very direct with addendums from the authors themselves and you can clarify things you're confused on through other books or asking the IRL author directly. Even C0da isn't as vague as dark souls lore is. But there is a distinction, dark souls goes out of its way TO BE VAGUE, they intentionally leave a lot of loose threads and nothing is certain which is distinct from how TES tells its lore.
I honestly don't find DaS stories/lore to be that compelling. It's pretty generic in a sense, the complexity is only brought around through the bastardization and mashing together of random themes/tales into one setting and the intentional vagueness as I spoke of above.
Dark Souls 3 happens after 2. Drangleic is NOT Lordran.
Anor Londo is protected by some means, probably Gwyndolins power up until Aldrich ate him, hence how the Boreal Valley stays frozen and how the buildings remained intact as the land shifted.
Lothric itself is the converging point of the homes of the Lords of Cinder. The Dukes Archives make up part of this.
The Profaned Capital is the old Kiln of the First Flame
Smouldering Lake is Ash Lake that has been heated again by the rebirth of the flame.
The Cemetery of Ash is the remains of the old Firelink Shrine, Iudex Gundyr's court seems to be the foundation of old Firelink Shrine as well.
This isn't really that hard to understand guys, physical distance has never meant much in Souls only relative positions and visual imagery.
Oh, also, Undead Settlement is located in what used to be Darkroot Garden, since Dusk's staff blossomed into the White Trees. The Road of Sacrifices and Crucifixion Woods + Farron Keep could be old Oolacile.
