OK, what's the true ending and the BEST ending for Dark Souls III? Clearly it isn't linking the flame of killing the Fire Keeper, so is it The End of Fire or The Usurpation of Fire?
Which one is the true ending of the cycle and which one is just the Age of Dark which would repeat the cycle all over again?
the one where you dont wear havels set like a bitch and git gud faggot
The one whereyou let the fire fade and hopefully put an end to the endless cycle of pain and pointless struggle
Edgelord ending is my personal favourite.
Though I dunno if that's the 'best'.
>>334945851
>inb4 that ending spawns a "seriously, not a souls game" developed by from
>>334945579
The one you get when you finish all the DLC and do something at Flameless Shrine.
I've only gotten Lord Of Hollows and it better be the definitive ending after everything it takes to get.
>>334946047
I think it would be beautiful to end the saga with this. DaS3 was a great game, albeit the multiplayer has a lot to polish but hopefully future patches will help.
This is the ending I hoped for, one where you don't simply let the fire fade like in I and II, but youput it out. The world may have finally ended in nothingness, and with the nothingness it has reached peace. It's pessimistic but it's ideal for the "struggle in vain" concept of the saga.
>>334946015
Which of the edgelord endings?
>>334946198
>getting rused by Yuria when she's clearly a Darkwraith and servant to Kaathe and ushering in the Age of Dark all over again
>>334946590
All that shit was a lot more involved than the Dark Lord ending in 1, there's definitely more to it than that.
>>334946692
Nope. You just fell for Kaathe's ruse cruise. Way to go faggot.
>>334945851
>Figure out you can wander around during those last moments
>No blind wanderings in the dark because it ends in a few seconds
A shame.
>>334946828
>implying Kaathe isn't the one who's always told the truth
>>334946865
I like to imagine the ashen one and the firekeeper sitting together in the absolute darkness, waiting for their death.maybe, desperately, embracing each other
>>334946865
There's a reason for that, you get a different ending if you attack the Firekeeper during that.
>>334947008
I would have never tried that.
I expected some sorta scene like the ending to Earthbound 3 where you can wander in darkness and talk to people.
>>334946440
you sound like you're nihilistic, intelligent, with a wicked sense of humor
>>334947179
No everything that deals with the pointlessness of life is edgy, anon.
>>334946921
You guys should feed off manus primeval man.
>>334946590
>Implying the age of dark isn't the best chance for humanity to rise.
>forgetting that Hollow is humanity's true form
Scholar of the first Sin you are not
>>334946921
>yeah sure man, darkstalker always working for the good of man nigga, forget about Oolacile that was a prank bro! could've been ANY serpent!
>>334946921
>implying Kaathe doesn't twist the truth to suit his own ambitions
Both Frampt AND Kaathe are manipulating you. Rejecting both the Age of Fire and the Age of Dark is the way to go.
Linking the Fire again is fucking dumb since there's only embers left and the next cycle will begin again not long afterwards.
Usurping the Fire through Yuria's quest may seem like the way to go, but Yuria is implied to be a servant of Kaathe so becoming the Lord of Hollows would simply make you a puppet of Kaathe. Not to mention you end upsacrificing Anri, so that's clearly you succumbing to evil.
Killing the Fire Keeper is the most blatant evil ending since you would become a Dark Lord and end up doing exactly what Kaathe wanted you to do. This is just more blatant while Usurping the Fire is more veiled.
Putting an end to the cycle once and for all by having the Fire Keeper deliberately put the First Flame out seems like the best ending.
In previous Souls games, you can let the fire die, but it said nothing about purposely putting it out.
Letting the flame go out on its own is like letting it go dormant and start up again years later like a phoenix.
Removing its very essence through the Fire Keeper and willfully killing the flame is what would finally bring an end to the cycle.
>Just completed the game for the second time >missed all the side quest shit again
I help onion knight and he falls asleep, and that's the last I see of anyone.
>>334947763
>Hollow is humanity's true form
>>334948204
HE WAS IN THE FUCKING WELL BY THE CATHEDRAL BONFIRE. HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU MISS THAT?
>>334948368
To be fair you have no reason to go back thete after opening the huge doors triggering him and Patches
>>334948368
Pretty easily.Fuck you Patches.
>>334948523Patches didn't kill him, he's still in the well waiting for his armor
>>334948368
He isn't there the first time you go past there, only after you open some of the shortcuts in the cathedral and by that point you have no reason to walk past the well other than to check if there is npc there at that random point in time.
>>334948523
He's not dead moron. He's hiding in the well because he's naked.
>>334948720
Oh.
Patches is still a dick then selling his clothes.
>>334948173Anri is kneeling to you in the Usurp the Fire ending next to one of the Yurias.
>>334948173
Too bad it's implied that even THAT isn't a solution since the fire would just reignite.
Where the fuck was Aldia? He was the only one who found a way to fix this bullshit.
>>334948781
That's why you kill Patches (after pardoning him first) to get Onion's armor back for free.
>>334948276
Most item descriptions seems to allude to that.
Red Eye Orb
>The Darkwraiths of Kaathe use this orb to seek humanity and plunge further into dark. Perhaps they are more human than we?
Also Furtive Pigmy, humanity's ancestor, got the "dark" soul, humanities are shards of the dark souls, etc.
Humans are pretty much the bad guys in this setting. It's a bit weird, in most stories it's humans who represent "fire" (and thus craftsmanship/discovery) but here it's the opposite.
What do the Eyes of the Firekeeper make the Fire Keeper see that's so horrible?
>>334948869
>Zombie Anri is kneeling to you in the Usurp the Fire ending next to one of the Yurias.
FTFY
>>334948869
Holy fuck, you are right
>>334949047
>>334948869
Is it? I thought that was just Yuria and her two other sisters?
>>334949021
You.
>>334948883
The Pontiff is Aldia
>>334949047
Shit i missed that nice touch From.
>>334949021
your face
>>334949160
That is some weapons grade bullshit there son.
>>334949021
The world where the fire goes out. Thats the one she creates in one of the endings
>>334949140
#REKT
>>334949116
Oh no, you can clearly see Anri. But it's most likely just an Undead and Hollow husk of Anri since you completely stripped her Humanity away after you sacrificed her.
Don't turn your Astorian Knight waifu into zombie. Unless you're into necrophilia, in which case I say fuck you.
>>334949021
PS4 version framerate
I just want an ending where I can destroy the world and free everyone from their painful existence.not even trying to be edgy, I mean at this point there's clearly no saving the Earth(?)
>>334949140
>>334949271
Most of the speculations are. Btw Andre is Gwyn's first born son
So what actually happens in the douchebag ending? do you just steal the fire and what then?
>>334949547
Put the fire out. World ends.
>>334949140
>>334949479
Anri is a full blown hollow before the ceremony. Literally a corpse.
>implying the endless cycle on invasions, trolling and violence isn't the best ending
>>334949576
You mean where you kill the Fire Keeper? Yeah, you become a Dark Lord and start the cycle all over again.
>>334945579
The one where you put your boot on that bitch's face. I don't even understand what the implications of it are, I just love how absurdly malicious and dastardly it is.
>>334948204
I'm using a guide next time I play. I saw Siegward exactly once, when you first see him in the elevator. I didn't find Patches until I bought the Tower key. I saw Anri at the woods, then firelink, then catacombs, then he was dead with a sword in his face in Darkmoon tomb, and I killed Hodrick in Smouldering Lake without knowing what his deal was. The chick who says things about the moon and the invader cunt stopped by a couple times in firelink, the pyromancer was there ONCE, the Yuria the Witch rehash never showed up, Astraea/Rhea rehash just chilled and Garl Vinland showed up once and left. Those are the only NPCs I found. I accomplished NOTHING with any of them, and I have no idea how others do.
>>334949628
She's Hollowing, but not a full Hollow as she still retains her Humanity, which you strip from her completely after you sacrifice her. She's suffering and you want to make her suffer even further by turning her into a husk? Fuck that shit.
>>334949789
REEEEEEEDDIT
http://zkjellberg.github.io/dark-souls-3-cheat-sheet/
where did Frampt and Kaathe go?
>>334949789
Oh, and Grierat did nothing because I figured sending him out would either get him killed or get some NPC on my bad side after he stole from them.
>>334949628
>Steel helm of Horace the Hushed, who took a liking to its cold, bulky insides.
>The original owner was said to be a corrupt executioner, who was killed and stripped of his armor.
>Horace is one of only two children to escape Aldrich's clutches.
Does Aldrich have anything do with Horace and Anri's state?
>>334948970
I think human are not bad guys, more like thinks than can become anything. The are hollows after all so they can be filled with anything. They can take souls of lords, dark souls, shape into dragon or demon. Humans are just potential, not final form
>>334949961
Yep. Alternate quest for Anri has you killing Aldrich with her.
Another thing of note, they're not from Astora. Anri only took the title because it inspired hope in her.
>>334949796
I killed Yuria, helped Anri kill Aldrich and then killed her. Still seemed better than stabbing her in the face and turning into king edgelord.
>>334945579
>best ending
Who gives a shit? The story and the endings in these games are ALWAYS shit.
You play them for the gameplay and worldbuilding.
>>334947150
Much like that ending, it's very unclear if you just killed the world or saved it.
Today is Mother 3s 10th anniversary btw.
>>334949940
They're around. I fully expect to see Kaathe in the DLC.
And honestly, knowing what we know now about the Fire/Dark cycle, we'll probably get confirmation that the Primordial Hydra theory was true all along.
>>334949789
Yeah it pretty much impossible to finish NPC storyline without a guide.
Siegward of Catarina shows up in the location you already cleared and have no reason to go back to, same for the other NPCs.
>>334948173
Fucking this. Both Frampt and Kaathe want to postpone the End of the World but in ways that are more beneficial towards their goals.
Basically the Age of Fire vs. the Age of Dark is just a territorial pissing contest between two lizards, but both don't want the world to end because they would die too.
The End of Fire finally puts the world to rest when the world should've ended years ago. It's the best ending since you give both Frampt and Kaathe the middle finger and finally let the world and all of its inhabitants rest in peace.
All the other endings will just continue the cycle, postpone the world's end, and make your character part of the gestalt being that is the Soul of Cinder.
>>334945579
Any ending but linking the fire.
I'm into necrophilia so usurping the fire just sort of happened.
What's the difference between rejecting to link the Fire and usurping the flame? I mean the age of dark comes with both of them. Is the main difference just that in one you fuck off and leave everyone to their own devices, while in the usurp ending you became the ruler of the hollows?
>>334948507
I think they expect you to use the opened front entrance of the cathedral to climb down the ladder in the graveyard and drop into the bonfire room. Returning through the graveyard as well. This would lead you right past Siegward, and returning to the cathedral this way is also how you'd get Patches to show up dressed as him. The problem is that the place's shortcuts are poorly designed, and there's absolutely no reason to use that shortcut when the one you just opened up a minute earlier is faster.
Somebody tell me what usurping the fire does, and what killing the fire keeper does.
>>334950601
>tfw used the lake to get around because fuck the enemies in the streets
>>334950467
>All the other endings will just continue the cycle, postpone the world's end
Why does everyone treat continuing the cycle and postponing the world's end as "something bad"? People get born, people die, life itself is cyclical.
If our world was ending I'm pretty sure humanity would do its best to postpone it, even if it meant restarting the big bang or something.
Also ending the world to give the middle finger to Kaathe and Frampt is like being on a trip in the desert and throwing away all the water just because reddit is also traveling with you.
>>334950467
>>334948173
Putting the fire out is ending it all.
Where the fun in that?
You could just as well commit seppuku and die now.
>>334949789
>never even found patches at all because i bought the tower key way early on
The NPCs in this game were some grade A bullshit.
>>334950850
Both turn you into king edgelord and you start the cycle all over again.
>>334948173
>>334950467
The end of fire ending straight up says shit will just start again. It's always a cycle, all endings will eventually lead to the return of fire just as the fire sprang from nothing originally. The only difference is who's in power for a while. Whose age it is.
>>334951351
No it fucking doesn't. The Fire Keeper just said that she envisioned small embers across a huge distance of darkness. She was being poetic and saying that even at the end of the world there's still hope.
>>334948368
Its easy to miss if you cleared the cathedral area before Siegward ends up in the well.
Happened to me.
>Muh never ending cycle
>Muh let it end once and for all
What a fucking defeatist stance. Actual human history is also an ebb and flow of good eras and bad eras, does that justify destroying humanity because "fuck the cycle"?
As far as I understand
>Link the Fire
>keeps the world from dying just a little bit longer
>The End of Fire
>another Dark Age begins but it clearly says that fire will come back
>Usurpation of Fire
>ends the cycle completely and making the Fire Darkmaybe anyways, you can see the sun starting to shine again but still being dark
>Ashen One... heareth thou my voice still?
Best ending.
>>334951595
Dark Souls history isn't actual human history you fucking moron. It's humanity getting manipulated by two serpents. Letting the world end allows you to turn the tables on both serpents and not get led on anymore.
>>334951659
>keeps the world from dying just a little bit longer
That was literally word by word the same thing that happened in DaS1. And then in DaS2 again. And now in DaS3. And probably would have been in DaS4 if this wasn't the last game in the series.
How long is "a little bit longer"? Because the fire sure doesn't seem to want to stay put.
>>334951505
And ash seeks embers, and will inevitably go link the fire.
I still dont get why the usurp the fire path is by LETTING the assassin get anri
Shouldn't it be the other way around, considering the former will happen even if you're completely unaware of the assassin's existance
>>334951830
>Letting the world end allows you to turn the tables
No, you actually just kill everyone. This is your "good" end. This ending pleases no one.
>>334951948
Ash is usually the byproduct of embers, this proverb confuses me.
>>334950467
This. People are reading into too many angles.
The ages went
>Ash (Dragons)
>Fire (Lords, the initial Great Souls)
>Dark (Humans, the Dark Soul).
Humans were meant to inherit the world after the age of Fire - but Gwyn (not wanting to die) committed the FIRST SIN by linking the Flame to HUMANITY while offering his soul as tinder.
This is why humans begin to hollow and are unable to die (cursed) when the fire begins to go out - it drains them of their energy/souls in order to keep burning.
In both DS1 (and DS2 with the Emerald Herald) they want you to link the Fire so that they can finally die.
But Aldia (and Vendrick) realized that its all a farce - humans were screwed out of their destiny. The Fire is entirely reliant upon humans which is why it raises Unkindled as its last resot when its barely burning anymore.
To link the fire gives a few years/decades of peace. Allows the Lords to keep living (or at least used to), and it allows humans to die.
Until the fire begins to fade away again.
To get jewed/listen to the Serpents means to KEEP humanity in its Slave-Like hollow state, one that the Serpents would likely use for their own gain.
PUTTING out the flame is the best option. It returns the natural order. It undoes what Gwyn did - it removes Humanity from the flame. Allowing the Dark Soul to have its time and its own age.
Dark Souls 3 is all about Cycles trying to have their own existence redeemed and resisting the natural flow - it even seems that the Dragons are returning (with those skeleton-ashen dragon forms), since the world is turning gray and Light+Dark is fighting so much that they are blurring and thus "Grey" (this is my own speculation however.)
Critique/Other Theories are welcome. I'm glad this game finally gave the option to END the flame (via a Fire Keeper)
>>334951830
>Life isn't perfect
>IT ALL HAS TO END
>>334951829
>suddenly he steps out of a grave
>Dark Souls 3 is Groundhog Day
>>334949558
Nameless King is Gywn son.
When does this game take place, and is it during an age of dark?
>>334952303
More like the age of dim.
>>334951659
>>334952303
The end of an age of fire where the fire hasn't been linked in a long ass time. That's why an Unkindeled has to wake up
>>334948173
>sacrificing anri
>a bad thing
Bitch is useless
>>334951659
Except the Age of Dark is more aptly named the Age of Men since it's Mankind, the Hollows, taking control, which is what happens in the Usurpation of Fire and killing the Fire Keeper endings respectively.
Usurpation may seem like a compromise between both sides, but in reality it's a lie and just ushers in the Age of Dark all over again.
Ending the Fire is the best end since it ends the cycle once and for all. And no, it doesn't mean that the Age of Fire will come back. The Fire Keeper was just being poetic like I said here: >>334951505
>>334952121
You forget that everyone is ALREADY DEAD and are literally walking corpses. Ending the Fire allows the world and everyone in it to rest in peace.
>>334952420
Yuria, quit shitposting on /v/.
>>334952112
I am also confused as to why she has to die and what exactly happened in that chamber.
May as well let Horace kill her.
Or does it have to be halal?
>>334950360
It's pretty clear that you didn't kill the world because the world existed before the flame, as is told in Dark Souls intro. Strife, disparity came with flame.
>>334952186
>To link the fire gives a few years/decades of peace.
The piece might be more like decades and centuries, enough time for whole kingdoms to rice and then slowly decay when fire starts to fade.
>>334952186
But what about the ending where you kill the Fire Keeper? What even happens there?
>>334952303
Its during an extremely-late Age of Fire, the flame is barely alive. And its last resort is to summon/revive Unkindled and past Lords of Cinder to try and save itself.
>>334952467
I agree with you that Age of Dark IS the Age of Men, but I believe it begins by ENDING the flame and not listening to Kaathes/Frampts jew lies about Usurping It and ruling over Hollows (brainless corpses)
>>334952121
>No, you actually just kill everyone. This is your "good" end. This ending pleases no one.
In a world where everyone is cursed and slowly lose their sanity there is no "good" its better to end all.
Even if a new cycle start sooner or later it would be a fresh start.
>>334952596
Dark Lord ending ushering in the Age of Dark and starting the cycle up again.
>>334952596
You realize the fire is just going to come back after what the firekeeper just said, so you take it for yourself instead. It's just the lord ending without Yuria.
>>334952762
>You realize the fire is just going to come back after what the firekeeper just said
NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T.
Where on Earth did everyone get this conclusion?
>>334945579
They're all complete garbage. A 15 seconds cutscene in which barely anything happens, are you kidding From? Is this the best you could do?
That's garbage, lazy and inexcusable.
>>334952898
Lazy is the words From Software live by.
Can someone explain to me what the untended graves area means?
Is it a dark age version of the ori world?
>>334952878
It's the conclusion you get when you actually listen to what she says, instead of doing mental gymnastics to explain it away because it doesn't give you the closure you want. Do you really think a fire that literally sprang from nothing is going to be stopped by returning it to the nothing that it already sprang from once before?
>>334952878
Go look up how the the ending of PUTTING OUT THE FLAME is even achieved.
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Eyes+of+a+Fire+Keeper
The Firekeeper needs this and the Soul of a Firekeeper to be able to reach in and snuff the flame OUT.
If you let the fire "fade" and kill the fire keeper, all you do is just set the stage for another undead to do all the same things that you did - but make a different choice at the end. The fire is still able to be 'linked' or 'rekindled' - and if that doesn't work then you've let the Serpents win since Humans will forever be Hollows.
It's similar to the Usurp Ending (Lord of Hollows).
>>334945579
End of Fire is clearly best ending
>>334953079
untended graves area is the previous firelink shrine
>>334953234
i fucking love blueberries
>>334953234
>It reveals to the sightless Fire Keepers things that they should never see
Maybe this means they can see the Fires link to Humans?
>>334953115
>Do you really think a fire that literally sprang from nothing is going to be stopped by returning it to the nothing that it already sprang from once before?
Yes.
"Everything has its beginning. But doesn't start at "one." It starts long before that, in chaos. The world is born... from zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes two, two becomes ten, ten becomes 100. Taking it all back to one solves nothing. So long as Zero remains, one... will eventually grow to 100 again. And so our goal was to erase Zero... We realized too late that we had created a beast. We had helped turn Zero into 100. His sin... was ours. And for that reason, I'm taking it upon myself to send Zero... back to nothing."
>>334952878
Game says at multiple points that a new fire will always come and the cycle will begin anew.
Dark Souls 3 points heavily towards the right answer being to let the flame finally die or take it for yourself.
>>334953079
Untended graves is the actual Firelink that went dark.
Ludleth manufacturated a new Firelink which is the one you teleports from/to so one could gather the cinders.
>How
See: Transposition
Kiln Firelink is the present time Firelink.
Dark Firelink > Kiln Firelink |||| Nexus Firelink
>>334953234
>If you let the fire "fade" and kill the fire keeper, all you do is just set the stage for another undead to do all the same things that you did - but make a different choice at the end. The fire is still able to be 'linked' or 'rekindled' - and if that doesn't work then you've let the Serpents win since Humans will forever be Hollows.
Forget this actually, just had to remember how the ending went. Its extremely similar to the Usurp Ending since you take the flame away from her - but it still exists, with you.
>>334949547
This. After seeing the state of the world(everything seems to be just bedrock there isn't even dirt in a lot of areas just rocky jagged mountains and sheer cliffs) and the people in it, I had only a moment's hesitation before I made a pact with the Firekeeper to snuff the flame out.
She said she could foresee embers coming back in the darkness, so I don't think we ended the world I think we just hit restart.
>>334953545
>to erase Zero
you are going full retard
>>334945851
this is the true ending because humans were born from the dark and it's how they were supposed to be.
>>334953843
Tell that to Kojima.
>>334945579
so the untended firelink is the real one, right?
thats why the link the flame ending doesn't have you go up in flames, because yuria was rusing you and you didn't perform the ritual correctly due to the location
Is the age of dark really that bad?
>>334954242
The Age of Dark is POINTLESS, just like the Age of Fire.
>>334954074
I don't think that would matter. What matter is that you're Unkindled, and not an actual Champion, as the ember states.
>>334954242
We've never had one. The real one was meant to occur naturally before Gwyn stopped it - there was no Hollows until he linked the flame.
Check
>>334952186
To see if you agree with anything.
Serpents probably want a hollow-filled world (not Age of Dark)
I hope they redesign the dark serpents so they don't look like jew snakes
>>334951595
The problem is that no one can die until the fire is snuffed. People just lose their minds upon death and then revive infinitely.
>>334954432
They're supposed to look like jew snakes though.
>>334954527
yeah well it looks silly
So the "angels" are the serpents flying around?
>>334954467
>People just lose their minds upon death and then revive infinitely.
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE! I JUST WANNA DIE!
WE ALL WANNA DIE! WE'RE UNKINDLED!
>>334954690LOOK AT ME
>>334948507
>triggering him and Patches
I never trigger Patches in the Cathedral, don't know why.
Maybe it has something to do with opening Rosaria's Bed Chamber first. I always have to buy the Tower Key to continue Siegward's quest.
>messages between the firelink shrines are the same
>if you die in one you can retrieve your souls from the other
>tfw rage sold it for Ratchet & Clank cause my ass kept getting fucked by nameless king
Dont regret a thing desu
>>334949796
She turns full Hollow if you take her alternate quest. It doesn't matter what you do, she's going to die anyway.
>1 monster girl instead of a fuckload
Yeah, DaS is still superior.
>>334948869
well no fucking shit she becomes hollow and without a will
>>334951139
they don't fucking die you mongoloid, they become undead and keep killing everything until a kingdom falls and no one lives in it, then some faggot links the fire and everything repeats, that's not fucking life, that's a fucking curse you fucking faggot holy shit you are so dumb I want to punch you in the dick
>>334952467
>s more aptly named
yes good goyim believe the darkstalker, he is your friend! nevermind Oolacile that was a prank bro!!
>>334946198
>after everything it takes to get.
You say it like it's hard
1. get 5 free ass level ups from dying like a bitch
2. Kill horace in the lake
3. talk to Yuria a lot
4. don't cure the hollowing
That's literally it.
>>334955863
This.
Everything about it screams of something off.
>Dark Power-ups
>Speaking to Darkstalkers
>Murdering/Draining your Waifu of her humanity and turning her into a husk.
Edgiest ending confirmed.
>>334950252
Basically this.
>>334952596
you go power hungry and take the lord souls for yourself and then offer them to the darksign like a fanboy, good job you bullied the only hole that was okay being ravaged by you and worship an emphiric one instead
The next Dark Souls should be during the age of Dark trying to stop the spread of Fire
>>334955745
> they become undead and keep killing everything
If nobody dies what's there to kill faggot?
>>334952186
>'m glad this game finally gave the option to END the flame (via a Fire Keeper)
DS1 did too. The FK in this one mentions that even after you extinguish the flame and all is dark, little fires begin to burn in the horizon and they will come together.
>>334955849
Keep reading. I said that the Age of Men and the Usurpation ending is a lie.
>>334956187
I thought the leader mentioned the next game would be far unlike the Souls series.
But I agree, it'd be great to see a canonical follow-up from DS3 where the fire WAS snuffed out - Humanity reigned, could result in a lot more new abilities and other outcomes/possibilities.
I know the DS games loosely follow one another but my current theory is
>DS1, Chosen Undead links the flame obviously
>Centuries pass
>DS2, Undead gathers the crowns - REFUSES THE THRONE (the link), and walks away. Yet is unable to snuff out the flame without a firekeeper.
>DS3, flame is still unlinked, centuries pass again. Flame is at an all-time-fucking-low. Panics and summons unkindled.
>We finally snuff it out.
>Age of Man
>>334952186
ayy am totally not going to use it in my next vid and make mad shekels, interesting read anon :DD
>>334956385
>DS1 did too. The FK in this one mentions that even after you extinguish the flame and all is dark, little fires begin to burn in the horizon and they will come together.
Did it?
I can barely remember. All I know is that you could walk away and then all the Snakes start bowing to you.
>>334945851
>thinking this ends the cycle
you fucking retard. even the maiden tells you that darkness will go on for a while, but eventually sparks of fire will come around again.
>>334956621
>ayy am totally not going to use it in my next vid and make mad shekels, interesting read anon :DD
Tbh half of that shit is in Vaati's videos anyways following DS2. Its not hard to follow up on and apply to DS3's ending.
>>334955863
Step 2 is optional. You can just ignore him all together.
>>334956764
>implying DaS2 has anything to do with anything
>>334956662
After you kill Gwyn, all the fires of the Kiln fade away and the bonfire is extinguished. If you don't burn yourself, everything becomes the age of True Dark.
>>334956621
Vaati has never once said that the theories he presents are all HIS original theories.
>>334956892
Wrong. If you ignore him he'll kill Anri and end her quest prematurely.
>>334956532
>But I agree, it'd be great to see a canonical follow-up from DS3 where the fire WAS snuffed out - Humanity reigned, could result in a lot more new abilities and other outcomes/possibilities.
>hexes become the norm
>pyromancy is taboo
>enemies are light-bearers and kindled ones
>fire-eater instead of firekeeper
Might be cool. There's going to be a DLC anyway although I highly doubt it'll be set after the ending of the game.
>>334956897
>All the DaS2 references in DaS3
Nice memes kid.
>>334956921
Fair enough I suppose. I'm just following the theory up above - which is that Humanity is still linked to the flame, and it requires a FK with the Original FKs Eyes + Soul to be able to remove that link.
>>334951830
>getting manipulated by reptiles
Sounds exactly like the real world desu senpai oniichan.
>>334952186
>>334957149
>but Gwyn (not wanting to die) committed the FIRST SIN by linking the Flame to HUMANITY while offering his soul as tinder.
Makes no sense to me. What did Gwyn have to do with Humanity when he burned his own pure last piece of a remaining Lord Soul?
>>334957128
>I highly doubt it'll be set after the ending of the game.
Yea they might do something ala DS1 where its in a different timeline - or takes place at the same time and not after
>>334957128
What if it IS after the ending? The Soulsborne DLCs typically take place in a different timeline or reality. What if Dark Souls III's DLC sends you to the future?
>>334957330
>Makes no sense to me. What did Gwyn have to do with Humanity when he burned his own pure last piece of a remaining Lord Soul?
Thats why its a theory. Its developed from listening to Aldia's words (and his title is Scholar of the First Sin).
The curse never existed until Gwyn linked the flame (as far as we know).
>>334957054
Only if you tell her where he is.
If you don't find Horace, or tell him where he is, she doesn't die.
>>334957418
>What if Dark Souls III's DLC sends you to the future?
>Long ago in a distant land, I, Kaathe, the shape-shifting Master of Darkness, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish ashen warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in time and flung him into the future, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to the past, and undo the future that is Kaathe!
>>334945579
Usurpation is my guess. Everything else is sort of a non answer.
Usurping it completely changes the system and fits the theme of the game. They essentially call you a useless pile of shit all game and explicitly state you have no right to even touch the first flame. The idea of unkindled is that they're so thirsty for fire that they want it all for themselves, so it fits that idea the most.
An unkindled who strove relentlessly against every level of control in his way wouldn't give a fat shit about keeping this cycle going for all these faggot ass lords who treated you like their property the entire time. Even ludloth or whatever talks to you like everything is all your fucking fault if you aren't 100% pro following in his footsteps.
Usurpation is the only true ending that gives your unkindled a sense of ownership. Everything else is just
>do my ending because you fit in my mold and inherit my dreams
>me me me
>do all this work for me you ungrateful fuck
This is whats required to snuff the flame.What did she see?
>>334957149
>moonlight greatsword appears in King's Field, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls therefore they all take place in the same world
Holy shit, you should literally just stop using the internet RIGHT NOW
>>334957671
Well done.
>>334952720
>In a world where everyone is cursed and slowly lose their sanity there is no "good" its better to end all.
Hollows are a metaphor for real people fool. Haven't you noticed that just about every hollow of importance in the Souls games has some tragic backstory? That's why they went hollow, not because of some magical curse, but because they done goofed in their lives.
Dark Souls 2 is even more obvious with the metaphors, straight up calling it the "curse of want". Because people are never satisfied with their lives and this leads them to ruination. This shit is basically as old as Confucius, hell it was that old when Confucius was around.
But I guess Dark Souls 3 is basically about you making a decision for yourself whether the kind of endless pain humanity has to endure is worth it, and why. Not that it does a great job with that theme or anything.
>>334957758
>Usurpation
>He fell for the jew serpent meme.
You failed Humanity.
The unkindled's entire purpose is to crave/link the flame.
The very opposite of that would be to snuff the flame out.
>>334955863
You actually just have to take the 5 levels and talk to Anri and Yuria a couple times.
Then as long as you played DaS1, you'll know where to marry her.
>>334955863
yeah it bothers me how this ending is supposedly "secret" but you can get it by NOT doing things and not even being aware of their existance.
>>334957930
>The unkindled's entire purpose is to crave/link the flame.
A purpose brought forth by the flame itself.
>>334956038
She was always a husk, family
She's hollow when you hack her helmet off
>>334957784
she saw blueberries, clearly
>>334951903
>Age of Fire
Fire will die out, some jackass lights it until it will die out again.
>Age of Dark
It'll be Dark until some jackass lights a flame that will die out again
>Age of Ancients
There's nothing, but then there was something. We can't ever go back to nothing again
>>334957671
10/10
>>334958014
How does the flame control Human Corpses then, or Humans at all. (Human-Link theory).
But yes exactly - to go against/rebel against that would be to end the flame entirely. At least in my opinion
>>334958026
Seriously, she even loses all her humanity if you don't sacrifices her.
It was always too late to save her.
what the fuck is an unkindled?
You still got the dark sign and still revive but somehow you don't get hollow when dying.
>>334958012
It's obscure in the sense that:
>Pilgrim is in a weird spot at first, and is easily mistaken as an enemy.
>If you cure the sigil at any point you're locked out
>fuck exploring the catacombs
>hope you know where the Darkmoon God lived.
>>334951829
alone in the dark with the waifu for eternity, what genius savant Miyazaki is!
>>334957671
Gotta get back, back to the past, chosen undead!
>>334958529
I'm especially implying the fact you have to NOT kill the assassin. Which you'd have to find by blind luck if you werent using a guide. that or do what i did and attack the air while summoned for someone
>>334957671
well fucking done
>>334952303
It's like the other games, except Lothric who was supposed to enkindle the flame, walked away and hid with his big brother to let the flame fade.
He waited so long, that other past lords of cinder awoke.
>>334958620
Some people put signs up saying "illusion therefore attack" and such
>>334958778
still though, the fact you DONT kill it is the most ass backwards thing, since otherwise what is the point of finding it.
The way people describe it every ending seems to be the edge lord ending. Which is the "good" ending? Just linking and waiting for some other shmuck to save the world next time?
>>334958717
So similar to Vendrick then, though Vendrick knew more and didn't do it for selfish reasons.
I suppose in DS2 we rock up before its so late that the flame as to awaken Lords of Cinder.
>>334957671
>>Long ago in a distant land, I, Kaathe, the shape-shifting Master of Darkness, unleashed an unspeakable evil!
>Kaathe prompted Oolacile people to dig up Manus grave and make him go mad
Deepest lore.
>>334958848
Anri has a seperate quest that fights against the ending and features a boss fight.
>>334958909
its really an opinion thing which is best. take your pick at which fucks the world the least
>>334958909
Dark Souls has always had a very nihilistic story.
All the endings aside from Ending the Fire just prolong the inevitable.
Better to just snuff the flame out and be done with it.
>>334958909
Cuddling with your waifu in the darkness is the best ending.
Just wait for the DLC if you want the "true ending", which is exactly what we got with DaS2.
>>334958909
>Link the Fire
>Grant decades/centuries of peace before it fades and damns everyone to an Unliving Hell again
>Usurp the flame
>Take it as your own, do not link it - leave it existing inside your dark self and become The Hollow Lord, ruling over a world filled with undead (Kaathe wins).
>Betray the Flame
>Similar to Usurping, just without doing it intentionally with Darkstalker Advice - you take the flame for yourself and damn the world.
>Snuff the Flame
>Bring about the natural Age of Dark/Man that was supposed to occur before Gwyn stopped it. Everything in this future is 100% uncertain because its never happened before.
It all depends on your point of view.
Is an endless cycle of a few hundred-years of peace worth the hundred-years of suffering after?
Is a new, natural path justified?
Or are the snakes right - and you want to rule with 100% power over a world filled with Undead Husks/Hollows.
They wouldn't really lock crucial lore/ending stuff behind DLC would they?
>>334957671
Would buy Ultimate Edition rerelease bundle.
>>334959213
>Cuddling with your waifu in the darkness is the best ending.
I NEED FANART OF THIS
NOW.
>>334959387
Isn't Manus pretty crucial?
>>334959387
It's not as if every single loose end was tied up anon
>>334959508
Not him, but eeeeh, not really.
He's not the furtive pygmy, he's just a dude.
What the fuck was the Soul of Cinder supposed to be?
It was like they forgot to set up some sort of plausible final opponent that you could face, and they couldn't just completely reuse Gwyn, so we ended up with this.
The Lothric princes were such a good battle, then the game decides to end with a fart
>>334959715
>He's not the furtive pygmy, he's just a dude.
triggered.
>>334959936
>It was like they forgot to set up some sort of plausible final opponent that you could face, and they couldn't just completely reuse Gwyn, so we ended up with this.
Because its painfully obvious WHAT it is. They expected you to have half a brain and put all the pieces together.
You and all the other Lords of Cinder/Unkindled were risen from the dead in order to Link/Save the Flame by the Flame itself.
You cut your way through every Lord of Cinder and make your way to the flame itself - It does not know if its being threatened or not (assuming).
The Soul of Cinder is the amalgamation of EVERY individual that EVER linked the flame. Its the flames last defense because once thats gone you can do what you want to it (Link it, Snuff it, etc).
Hence why it uses so many different movesets (assassins, mages, knights). Everyone that ever made it to the end.
In its final phase/desperation - it likely used the strongest 'Soul' it had, which was Gwyn. Which is why it uses Gwyn's moveset in the end.
>>334952284
Andre crossbows his father, Gwyn the Lord of Cinder, dead on the toilet.
>>334959936
Amalgamation of all the dudes who've linked the fire.
...now that I think about it, has any female beyond the chosen undead maybe linked the fire?
>>334945579
>guise whats the good ending becuz I want to get the right one xD
There is no good ending, being in the Souls universe is a horrible death march against depression and futility, you can't permanently fix jack shit.
The endings are
>Sacrifice yourself to keep the fire going and revitalize the world SLIGHTLY. You go down like a man, but ultimately your sacrifice is pointless because the flame is hardly even burning even though you linked it.
>Just let it go out. Basically you say "Fuck it, this shit is happening, I might as well just sit back and watch.". Because there is no real reason to do anything. The world will revert back to a state where there is no disparity between light and dark, in time the entire world will stagnate and die, as it was always destined to.
>Be a douchebag and not only extinguish the flame, but actively foster the abyss in it's place, a literal nightmare, just because you feel like being in charge of a world of hollows for a year or two before the world is utterly consumed by darkness you selfishly fostered.
My opinion is obvious, get your own.
>>334956665
The sparks are the souls of men, not a first flame situation.
>>334959498
here you go senpai
The ending where the Firekeeper understands where she belongs.
>>334953545
Holy shit Kojima is retarded.
>>334957330
Gwyn fed humanity to the flame to strengthen it. So yes he basically burned humans on bonfires. This is why undead can rest at them and are bound to them.
If you look closely at bonfires you can see human bones
>>334960441
>tfw i just fapped
Why do you do this to me anon.
>>334957671
HOLY SHIT. IT JUST FUCKING HIT ME.
What if Frampt and Kaathe are NOT at odds with each other? What if they are in league with each other and are both deliberately trying to keep the cycle going?
Frampt would be doing so by encouraging you to Link the Flame, while Kaathe encourages you to pursue the Age of Men/Dark, but in THE WRONG WAY?
Kaathe encourages you to walk away from the Flame and let it fade, but that doesn't change anything and the cycle happens again. What if Kaathe already knows that and is secretly just another servant of Gwyn trying to postpone the end of the Age of Fire? After all, Kaathe never encouraged you to willingly snuff the flame out.
Fuck it. What if Frampt and Kaathe are one in the same being and are part of a big Primordial Hydra like someone in the thread mentioned earlier? What if both options are all an elaborate ruse on both sides?
That would mean that snuffing the flame out IS the true ending.
>>334957671
I'm hesitant about a souls game set in the distant future but this would make me fork over money faster than discount pizza
>>334955003
I had to alt f4 the shit out of that fight after about 20 attempts all ending in phase 2 I just can't crack that fucking nut.
>>334950002
First of all, learn to type, you sound like a child.
Second, you are straight up wrong.
What you are describing is "Generic RPG Human" because that's what you're used to. No other reason.
The game is called Dark Souls, and it's not called that because it sounds edgy and cool. It's quite literally referring to humans. The game could be called "Humans", and it would make just as much sense given the context.
The theme of Dark Souls is about the struggle against futility, the struggle against the nature of the way things are.
The struggle against your inner dark, the struggle against the outer dark. You can't even win. Every ending the world is still fucked. Your soul is still fucked. This game has nothing to do with "creation" or "potential". it's about withering, decay, and useless struggle.
>>334945579
I went all the way to let the fire die, started messing around with my sword the last few seconds as the lights started to finally die on us. I hit the firekeper. Cutscene rolls in as I stomp her face on the ground and proceed to crown myself with the little fire. I hated myself a lot in that moment. I just wanted to let everything die
>>334960757
m8
>>334960757
>>334957128
>miyazaki said dark souls is over
>we're given the option to snuff out the flame
>quoted post
Light Souls?
>>334960325
No.
Women can't do anything right, and they're sure as fuck much more likely to pick power and servants over sacrifice and duty any day of the week.
Snuffing the fire or linking the fire seem like the best choices.
Bring on the age of humanity as things were intended to be, or bring on centuries of peace for a while until shit hits the fan again.
But because things are so uncertain and the outcomes of all the endings aren't really known even after you see the final cutscene, everything could just be fucked forever anyways and none of this shit even matters.
>>334961209
There's no souls where we're going next.
>>334961013
>The theme of Dark Souls is about the struggle against futility, the struggle against the nature of the way things are.
This, though its been largely discussed to death over the years.
It's been shown since DS1 that the Age of Dark was a natural progression - but others feared it, they feared the end. They WANTED more (There is a fuckton of themes based on WANT).
Gwyns entire purpose is to postpone the inevitable. So many characters follow the same path.
I like to think DS3 offers the chance to come to grips with the way things are.
Kingdoms rise and fall - kings and knights and mages led great lives - good lives. Few could learn to be happy with them - they wanted more and more.
The final message (imo) is to learn to let go. To enjoy what you've made/accomplished and let the world naturally progress.
This is further symbolized with each DS taking place in a MAGNIFICENT kingdom (testament to what they achieved, yet slowly ruined by refusing the 'end'.)
>>334960325
Anri was going to but you see how well that turned out.
>>334961195
>>334961139
TWO HEADS ON ONE SNEK WHAT COULD IT MEAN?!?!?!?
>>334954690
we all want to die!
>>334961195
>>334961139
TOO FUCKING DEEP.
DAMN IT FROMSOFT
>>334961139
>>334961195
DEEPEST
FUCKING
LORE
>>334961468
>The final message (imo) is to learn to let go. To enjoy what you've made/accomplished and let the world naturally progress.
I don't agree at all.
I may have sounded like a nihilist when I described it, but the useless struggle is a GOOD thing.
Even if all people will die one day, there's no reason to just roll over and fucking starve to death like everything is pointless.
It's like how people say "It's not the destination, it's the journey."
Even if the struggle is useless and you'll never reach your destination, that struggle has value. There is beauty and strength in being strong and raging against the dying of the light.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
>>334961515
There were always 2 heads on em
>>334961426
While Sci-Fi Souls would be great. I'd love another game that furthers a message on what Humanity is.
Dark Souls is all about the Human-like struggle against the inevitable. Granted its far more deep than that.
A new game set in the Age of Man/Dark could have messages/motives about what it is to be Human or perhaps its own flaws.
>>334961426
I would love this. Metal Souls: Revengeance
Why does the crystal mages have long snouts like dragons?
>>334961895
>I don't agree at all.
I think you may have misread me - or perhaps I worded it incorrectly.
I agree with you - the struggle is what makes it worth it. Thats what I meant about the accomplishments of kingdoms/knights/mages. They struggled/fought/did many things.
Yet at the very end - rather than accept their accomplishments and let the next 'generation/age' go on - they greedily/wantingly hung on to their life/purpose.
But I do agree with the notion that the struggle has value. I'll likely have to rework my initial post another time.
>>334962118
Crystals are some heavy shit anon
>>334961895
That "struggle" is just the record skipping, you gotta let the song end.
>>334961426
A Cyberpunk Soulsborne game would be fucking awesome. They could use Nihei manga like BLAME! and BIOMEGA for inspiration.
>>334961426
>>334962021
>futuristic souls game
>being a normal human plays exactly like a normal souls game
>going cybernetic and replacing your shitty human bits with robot bits makes the game more like MGR, but it comes with its own set of downsides
This would be fucking stellar
>>334959346
Who's to say it will only be filled with hollows? The return to the age of dark is speculated to not only cause everything to go black, but also a return to how things once were. Human's original forms were hollows, which is why they're turning back to that once the fire goes out. Giants were trees, which is why now they're turning back to trees. There were many other primordial beings, such as the jew snakes, the archtrees, and of course dragons. Who's to say those nigs won't be coming back as well? Another thing worth of note, is that none of these are actually "alive", except maybe the serpents. Primordial beings in the age of dark all lacked souls.
>>334962287
Is it just Seaths Magic like Ocelotte guy?
