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As of about 4 AM EST last night, From initiated a wave of softbans to cheaters and hackers. The ban issues you a warning to delete your saves or be soft banned, but it seems that even if you do the damage is done and you're in the shitter server.

Apparently however, it appears that some legitimate players have received a softban as well, as the cheat detection is garbage and picks up things like x360ce and DXtory as cheats.

So tell me, /v/: Did you get banned? Was it legit or no?
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>>334929237
Everyone here either cheats or pirated the game.
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>>334929939
Fair enough.
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>>334929237
Some anon explained it.
People who played the game on version 1.03 while version 1.04 was being implemented and for some time after that are now considered as having "altered save files" which is the same as using cheats to them.
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>waaah waaah I used thirdparty programs and now I'm bunned waah waaah

I can see the tears now on the Steam forums

You used unapproved third party programs, who cares if they were malicious or not. You broke the rules and now you pay the consequences. Have fun with the cheat engine babbies and other people who thought dll hooks like 360ce were safe to use.
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>>334929237
No, and 2nd question is moot.
I don't cheat, nor pirate.
It also runs like utter ass and has repeatedly dropped me from the server for "poor framerate."
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>>334930406
gg From

maybe we can expect more bans to come with every future update now
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>>334930469
Despite this guy sounding like a major fag begging for replies, you do have to be pretty naive to run third party programs of any sort in a multiplayer game.
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>>334930469
>You used unapproved third party programs

citation from EULA regarding "unapproved" third party programs and what constitutes as such
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>Get stuck in a shitter server with cheaters (AKA people who don't know how to play the game)

Sounds like good hunting grounds with retards ripe for the fishing
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>>334930469
>I am a tremendous fucking faggot who thinks people should be banned for using software to get controllers working properly.
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>>334930815
Well considering most cheaters use infinite health and stam, I'd say it's hardly worth trying unless you're really good at tricking people into falling off ledges.
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>game crashes
>tells me it's my fault for not exiting and quitting properly
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>>334930582
>I have a 960 and a FX-6300
>Usually around 50 fps on max.

So just how shit is your toaster because as you can see mine is ass.
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>>334931052
AMD Radeon HD 5700 and an Intel I7 930.
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How do you know you're softbanned? I'm using SweetFX and I'm afraid now.
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>>334930929
>save corrupted
>your save files looks altered
>get banned faggot
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Well thats bullshit i need dxtory to the cap the framerate to 60. Otherwise there will be an insane amount of tearing, higher power usage and wire coil
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>>334931220
It should warn you when you start up the game, but SweetFX is definitely one of the things that's caused some bans according to reports.
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>>334930469
Ds4 controllers won't even work with this game without 3rd party tools you massive fucking retard. The only way I can get mine to work at all is with 360ce
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>>334929237
Bravo From!
>uninstall
>refund
>install DaS II again
Why did i even bother buying this piece of crap.
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>>334930836
From gave you the option of 360 controller or keyboard+mouse. If you don't have a 360 controller then you're supposed to use m+kb

>>334931270
So delete the files. You lost your save, tough shit. Take it as encouragement to fix whatever your problem is that causing the crash. Be gracious that From even bothers to give you warning.

You arent entitled to using unsupported hardware and software to make other controllers work with it.
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>save scumming
>used hex/CE to change gender
>doesn't get banned

I guess I managed to get away this time.
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>>334931482
You have the option of 360 controller or m+kb, your shit not being suported is no excuse for using thirdparty hacks to nigger rig it.
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>>334931590
You also have the option of an Xbone or Steam controller.

As for the warning, it doesn't even matter. Once you get the warning, that's it and you're softbanned. Whether this is intentional or a bug is up for debate.
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>>334931590
>>334931783
Literal autism
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>>334931783
Weak bait mate, go back to r/ps4
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>>334931668
same, feels good, but i'll probably stop

>>334931482
>>334931783
ds4 programs were not the reason people got banned see >>334930406
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>>334932001
It's Bait anon, let it go.
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>>334930406
What does this mean exactly? I've been playing since it became available and didn't stop was I playing on 1.03 when 1.04 was being implemented?

The fuck?
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I transferred my 1.03 pirated save to the steam version and it's just fine. How did people get fucked from playing 1.03 for a while even if they had a retail copy?
Is From literally the most incompetent team of devs ever?
>can only make one type of game now
>PC port is an unoptimized mess
>don't understand fixes or non cheating mods
>console versions run like ass
God damn. Game is fun but from always fucks up.
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>>334929237
I've pirated it and still play multiplayer. Get fucked From faggots. Try to ban me now fuckers.
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All these PCuck tears are delicious
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>>334932498
It's happening to console users as well that have disconnected too many times. Everyone is getting fucked. Take your weak bait elsewhere sonynigger.
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>>334932498
this
first they get it 3 weeks after we've played the JP version, then they crash every 5 mins and when sitting at bonfires, now they can't play MP
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>>334932772
Pretty much anything with an in-game overlay that isn't steam or third party controller software.
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>>334932772
Cheat Engine
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>Playing DS3 on PC

kek.

enjoy your bans
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>>334932918
This desu, its a console game
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>>334929237
>it appears that some legitimate players have received a softban as well, as the cheat detection is garbage and picks up things like x360ce and DXtory as cheats.
>cheats
>legitimate players
pick one, and only one, fagglord.
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>>334933164
>>334932918
>>334932498
Consolebabbies showing up like clockwork. Never fails.
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>>334932772
anything that allows you to cheat
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>>334933267
>Pick one
>When both exist on PC, Xbone, and PS4
>When both groups on all 3 are suffering from the same fate in varied cases
Why would I pick one?
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>>334933267
>what is third party software to use any controller that isn't Valve's or Microsoft's
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>>334933359
Because you can't use a cheat and be a legitimate player at the same time.

Can you read?
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That's why I've chosen to pick up ps4 version over pc.
Souls are so fun when released - no meta bullshit, people fucking around, summoning and invading.
And PC is ruined by cheaters and wooden pc's lagging around.
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>waaah muh 120cinematic fps muh silky smooth textures muh third party I NEED IT >.......>

Serves you thirdparty users right, have fun with in the cheater pool.
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>>334933429
>mfw mustard race wins again
get fucked, sonycucks
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>>334933329
>buy game 3 weeks after console release
>it crashes when you sit at a bonfire
>it crashes when you put on a helmet
>it crashes when you step on certain rocks
>get banned for game crashing too many times
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>>334933472
>A system that converts a DS4 controller to Xbox Inputs to work on a PC is cheats
So you're a faggot too?
>Random good players running software that is not malicious have gotten these bans
>Random good players not running any special software have gotten these bans
>Cheaters have gotten these bans
I can read. Can you into English?
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Well I guess I'm fucking glad I never bothered to use SweetFX even though I don't particularly like how the game looks.
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>>334931220
No, sweet fx doesnt touch the game data folder. I've used it on 1-3 and was never banned
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>>334930406
This is why you dont pc game. Another nail in the pc coffin
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>>334933594
>buy inferior version
>be a retard that cant fix simple issues

I know console users are just teenagers with no money but I didn't know they were completely inept as well. Thanks for clarifying.
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>>334930779
im guessing more then half of people use third party programs for gamepads, myself included. This whole thread is bs though im betting only cheaters are getting banned.
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Let's get this shit started
>he bought a pc
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How does one determine whether they've been banned or not? Are you notified in some form?

I've been playing a lot this past couple days and haven't really noticed anything new, login message just talks about patch 1.04.
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My data works fine. Thank fuck I use an Xbone pad.
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>>334933923
You'll get a nice big ALL CAPS warning before the patch thing.
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b-but my 60 eff pee ess
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>>334933826
>version that actually works is inferior

Stay banned pcuck
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>>334933923
It tells you when you load your save data apparently.
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>>334934040
I love how the bulk of the "Anti-PC" posts have contained generic name-calling.
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>>334934040
>sub 20 FPS is considered working to consolefags

How's it feel to be cucked by Sony?
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>PCucks get banend for crashing
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>>334934146
>sub 20fps

ahh nice meme PCuck
enjoy bloodborne at sub 0 fps
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>that one sonygger who shitposts with his memes

erry thred

just say the magic letters and he's there before you can say cuck
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>>334934370
>this denial
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>>334930406
>PC gaming
What a joke. But in all honesty, what difference does it make? Most players are hackers whether in a shit server or the normal server.
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>>334933925
It's never going away.
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>>334934040
You need to turn some of the settings down to low to stop the crashing so no wonder it doesn't happen on consoles.
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>this thread
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>>334929237
as with everything else

stop being a special snowflake using files that aren't purely from the installation and just play the fucking game and you wont get banned

capiche?
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>ng+
>summon sunbro at undead village
>we fight through hordes
>invaded two times
>finally make it to fog gate
>game crashes
Im so sorry sunbro. If only from wasnt so shit with computers
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>>334935432
stop posting this
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try tongue
but hole
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>>334935557
I've never posted it before so I guess I'm just not as original as I thought when I made that image.
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>>334929237
What's the ban message? I got the warning about using borderlesswindow a week ago that hadn't gone away.
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>>334929237
Only good thing that's ever come out of this game.
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>cheaters flocking to the next forum
>crying like little babys when they got caught
>everytime
get fucked cheaters
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>Software to run controller
>Gets banned

>Shadowplay
>Gets banned

>Crash one time
>Gets banned

>"Most Anticipated Game of The Year"
>Bans everyone

GG From.
But seriously, you can just copy your save file and make another steam account, and do family share. Works perfectly.
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The only thing I use for this game is Riva Tuner OSD so I can check the fps (steam fps app sucks), should I worry?
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I like how everyone just eats up the allegations of people ONLY using controller software being banned.

This is why 4chan is so shit these days, and why so many of the posters hare are so easily deluded.

They just take what they hear as the truth. They don't bother to confirm anything, they don't bother to investigate for themselves, they just listen and regurgitate what ever they hear.

Fucking morons.
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>>334936382
get that ass banned
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>>334936460
>jumps to conclusions about people jumping to conclusions.

Wew lad, with all that double think I'd wager you're a liberal.
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This is confirmed happening absolutely nowhere
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>>334936692
Wow, amazing proof and argument. Nice touch with the name calling too.
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>>334936786
I wasn't arguing anything just pointing out the flaw in your accusation. But like all liberals it appears you've failed to see the point.
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>>334936881
>anime profile pic
Every time.
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>>334936978
Not him but you sure are projecting a lot. Did you get btfo by a liberie in /pol/ or something?
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>>334936881
>it's not perfect, so you might as well not even bother

Genius
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Maybe they can fix the god dammed net code so i can enter boss gates all the time instead of a third of the time. Who cares if they ban us. You get it on pc to cheat. It doesn't matter if you upgrade your gear because of the 2+ limit on matchmaking.
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>not using only godmode script offline
>not logging in before fog gates and summoning 2+ phantoms to carry you through bosses

If youre going to be a cheating shitter at least do it right.

If you think suddenly logging in with 99 titanite slabs or not losing hp on hits doesnt look suspicious to the server you deserve the ban.
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>>334931590
>Be gracious that From even bothers to give you warning.
i've noticed that more and more people seem like they'll defend from software to the death now. it's a little unsettling, they're just a video game company but you treat it like a child you need to protect.

it's not acceptable to punish people because you can't get controllers working properly or their game crashes. dark souls 1 gave an error literally 99% of the time on closing.
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>>334929237
>it appears that some legitimate players have received a softban as well,
Proof or gtfo.

It's exactly these kind of people cheating and then going to forums whining about how they got banned for doing nothing.
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>>334936460
I haven't been banned. But I've gotten the warning message, saying the shit about if i dont remove whatever then i'll get banned.

I use x360ce and Shadowplay, and have also crashed a few times. Stop jumping to conclusions, this is legit.
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>>334937186
>I SWEAR I WASN'T CHEATING, MOM!!!!!
That's that a cheater says.
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>>334937240
lmao whatever kid. This is an actual problem
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>>334937068
The wild liberal is easy to spot when you learn their habits.
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>>334931590
>souls
> 360 controller
Fuck no
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>install borderlesswindow to solve crashes
>get invalid data flag

I swear to fuck if they ban me for fixing crashes i am pirating every piece of shit they put out from now on.
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>>334932772
from softwares
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I do wish the game wasn't constantly saving shit and also communicating with the server.
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>>334937278
Yeah, too bad for all you poor innocent cheaters.
How problematic.

Not to mention you have no evidence to support your claims.
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>>334937335
Just get Borderless Gaming
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>>334937378
And you have no evidence we're lying? How in the world would I ever prove I haven't cheated, and how will you prove I have?
A massive amount of people have gotten either warned, or banned for no fucking reason, other than "omg third party software" which apparently covers every single program that interacts with dark soul somehow
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>>334937527
>DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT PROVES ME WRONG?
Don't need it when you haven't proven yourself right.

>A massive amount of people have gotten either warned, or banned for no fucking reason,
Confirmed no where, proof nowhere.
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>japanese PC game at launch

LEL

there's a reason smart people got it for consoles, even if they have a badass gaming PC
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>>334937658
>consoles
>smart

???
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>>334937658
Smart people actually wait for the complete edition which also comes with performance patches and whatnot.
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Sorry, theyve got the right this time.

If you agree to the eula and break it, they dont lock you out of the game just the server.

If you dont want to be locked out of the server, dont agree to the EULA
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>>334934750

To be fair, shikata ga nai is a pretty common phrase in Japanese

And that is the actual translation, so
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>>334937837
>don't agree to eula
>get locked out of server
>somehow this is the best way not to get locked out of the server

Sound logic
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wait, how can you tell if you're soft banned or not?
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>>334932246
>can only play multiplayer with other pirates

what is the point? 99% of them are hacking with impunity. Not to mention it is probably dead as fuck
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>>334938359
I imagine a message like "get fucked nigger" on log in
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>>334931590
Hahaha, fuck off, from has no right to dictate the controler you use. This must be fucking bait, hahaha.
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>>334929237
>Rumor
>Rumor
https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4fmhws/help_tons_of_legitimate_pc_players_have_now_been/
>Rumor
>Rumor
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>>334939062
>Weeb company in charge of PC games
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From is a stupid name. get pooped on losers :^)
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You fucks should just be great full you even get to play this game on PC at all. I say just ban one character of all PC players just to teach them a little respect.
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crime?, are you fucking serious?
So now game companies are literally dictating how we play their games.
I am glad I got this game on the grey market, I will not buy any more from software games, ever.
Getting banned for editing the number of ingame consumables, which can also be gotten easily, who the fuck cares?, its a fucking game, not tax returns.
What's with all the moral high grounds vomiting abuse at people for modifying games, on a platform known for custom software. So somebody gave themselves titanite and you lot feel superior for calling that person a cheating loser, you are all nothing short of pathetic.
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>>334929237

>some legitimate players have received a softban

No, there was no legit player ever banned. There is no Source, only lies. They cheated, they got banned and then they said "I dindu nuffin".
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HAHAHA FUCK you cheaters and you're all pathetic for pretending to be "wahh im legit tho :((" shitheads
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>>334929237

It won't hurt anyone because there are no cheaters around the masterrace, right?
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>>334929237
No, i play offline so im safe
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>>334940910

to the gallows with you, cheater
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what do I do
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>>334940910
Haha cry more cheater
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>>334941356
Kys
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>>334940910
>I will not buy anymore from software games

Good. One less tumor in the community.
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>>334940910
get fucked, cheater
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>people thinking contacting From will solve anything

In DaS2 From never reverted softbans, in any case ever really, even people who were injustly (lol) banned never got their bans reverted. All you can do is accept and learn to deal with it, it's not the end of the world anyway, you can still play online, though with a slightly worse community.
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Playing on regular servers is not a right, it's a privilege, if you break the rules you get softbanned, simple as that, you still have the right to play your own but you won't shit the game for everybody else in the process.
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>>334941356
Delete your characters. Or you can't play online anymore.
I'm serious.
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>all of these cheater tears
delicious
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>>334941539
The community is a Smash-tier tumor.
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>tfw I use DS4windows to play with my dualshock 4

Fuck I'm scared now, can I get banned for that?
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>>334941876
I did just in case

This really sucks, I haven't cheated once. Now I have to delete a 40 hour save game.
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>>334942215
>I haven't cheated once

Sure you didn't bud.
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I pirated this game and don't have these issues.
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>>334942510
yeah I'm sure too, "bud"

I already learned my lesson from cheating in DS2
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>duped boss souls
>glitched my way through Dancer
>upgrade weapons to +9 before Vordt

>mfw still not banned because I'm a CONSOLEBRO

get fucked peecucks
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>>334937647
Innocent before proven guilty is how most things work in a civilized society
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>>334942656
>getting caught on DS2
1-800-come-on-now
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>>334942890
I never got caught until my friend told me to just Cheat Engine in an item

I cheated in the Moonlight Greatsword before I was in NG+ and From instantly detected it and soft banned me
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>>334942879
Good thing we're on /v/ then
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http://forums.bandainamcogames.com/showthread.php?528918-Invalid-Game-Data-detected&s=18f6414afec45a0c59f50b1f05cc2199&p=557450&viewfull=1#post557450
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i pirated the game and even have a multiplayer crack but no bans of any kind
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>>334942853
>>glitched my way through Dancer

what even
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>>334937037
this

it never fucking fails to be some animefag who uses cheats because he cant handle dying
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>>334943260
>even have a multiplayer crack
?
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Did anyone get banned for doing the unlimited souls glitch?
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>>334944440
Pirated copies can play the game online, I wonder how long until they realize that.
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I got the message, deleted my characters and I'm still getting it. It hasn't said I've been "penalized" yet. Am I good to keep playing or should I just not play?
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>>334944828
If you log in again you'll be penalized. If >>334943176 is true then the issue is with From's servers. Did you go offline recently before this happened?
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>>334942853
>comparing glitches to using third party programs
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>>334942853
>duped boss souls
Man, I could only get it 3 times consecutively.
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Pcucks BTFO yet again.
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>>334944918
I had it it set to "Offline" before, so I guess so.

I've logged in several times both before and after deleting my characters and I still havent gotten the penalty, I just lost my characters. Should I just avoid playing entirely until it blows over?
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>>334945126
I would, yeah.
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>>334944828
If you still get the message it might be something else affecting your game, do you have any modifications like SweetFX or Borderless Fullscreen enabled? Do you have OSD apps like Fraps? Also any software that might be interfering with your game such as Logitech Software should be removed. Disable those and see if the message is gone, if it is you know why.
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>>334943176
So it's a server sync issue thinking you're cheating because it can't read your offline data properly.

Well fucking done, From. GOTY 2016 right here.
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>>334934551
I keep seeing people say this shit, but I haven't seen one hacker in my 40 hours played
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So, anybody has some tips to get rid of random crashes? Already patched up, lighting to low.
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>>334929237
Does this apply to the console versions?
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>>334931564
I don't know why I bought it either anon. I think everyone got burned on DaS II
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>>334945968
Yes. Some Xbox One users have reported this happening, though in less frequency. Haven't seen anything about PS4 but I'd assume the same just to be safe.
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Holy shit. No fucking wonder I stopped seeing lots of Xxtetsuoxx type of names and Russian names today. There has been a lack of infinite health faggots too.

From is amazing. I'll make sure I throw more money their way if they keep up with shitting on cheaters.
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So how do you know if you got banned? Logged on now and didnt see shit (tho i didnt cheat or anything i am using the x360ce thingy)
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>>334946705
you wont see any summons at all, ever.

softban = everyone you summon or invades is a blatant cheating faggot
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>>334946973
Yeah ok, but don't you get like a notification on the main menu or some shit?
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>>334929237
>Apparently however, it appears that some legitimate players have received a softban as well,
lol no, its just some retard cheaters trying to cheat again to get unbanned.
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>>334947129
You should see this first >>334941356
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>>334929237
Is this like getting soft banned in smash4? Everything turns to shit?
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enjoy you're ban
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>>334944963
Turns out pretty easy to do, if you just hold down (down), and not be too hasty pressing square.
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>>334947328
Oh ok cool, cheers mate, do you know if you see this everytime or just the first time? A friend just didn't pay attention
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>>334947527
Unsure as I haven't seen it myself.
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>>334947527
That's only the first time, after that you get a message saying you're already penalized. But yeah you should see a message everytime you login.
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>>334931164
>i7 950
>HD 6870
>1366*768
My brother.
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>>334944694
>>334944440
You can play online and see messages and shit, but you cannot connect or be connect to players with legit copy of the game. Only pirates can connect to each other.

The problem is you can still see everyones summon sign so 99% of the time you try to summon anyone it wont work.

If you seen anyone with "RVT" in their name then they are pirates, they use RVT to find each others summon signs.

I tried it and it's honestly deader than DaS1 online is right now.
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>use window addon to fix crash
>log in to invalud data warning
>find workaround, remove addon
>now get extra warning dialog before logging in forever

Thanks From
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What do people mean when they say "have fun on the cheater server"? There's another server where they send people who cheat?
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>>334929237
>Apparently however, it appears that some legitimate players have received a softban as well

This is always, always an excuse

"B-but I wasn't cheating! I was banned by mistake!"
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>>334948579
Yeah, that's what softban means, you get moved to the cheater pool server in which you can only play with people who are also softbanned.
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Is the softban server the same as the pirated server?
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>>334948849
Nobody can tell at this point, but it might aswell be.
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>>334948849
There are no "servers"

There is a host, only legit copies can connect to legit copies, and vice versa. Getting softbanned puts flags your account and you can only play with similar faggots, but your copy of the game is still legit.
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>>334945694
They're shit posting, ignore them. DS3 has been good in term of cheaters from what I've seen. DS2 on the other hand had enough cheaters that even I ran into some
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>>334945990
They'll go back to DS2 after all this is settled, the game is still new so people haven't figured or learned all the mechanics yet. DS3 is basically DS1.5 and the lack of build diversity is not gonna help either.
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>>334945694
80 here, no cheaters on sight and i had a good amount of tongues for the mute waifu
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Apparently people are getting the warning message when launching the game for the first time now.

Something is definitely not right.
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>>334949264
>DS 1.5
I'd take that over B-team Souls: Bad Decisions edition any day of the week.
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>>334931590
This is actually some impressive trolling
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>>334929237
Is that so, because the top 10 of that online score is literally filled with people that have 99 in all stats and has been mostly so ever since day one
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ITT: Nothing but shitposting
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>>334936978
>>>/pol/
Please take your fear of contrary thought back to your containment subreddit
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>>334929237
works for me
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>>334951339
>accuses others of fearing contrary thought
>"go back to your containment board so I don't have to see these opposing ideas"

Classic liberal doublethink. Don't you have a safe space to nap in?
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>Playing video games online ever, for any reason
You deserve what's coming to you.
>B-but what about games that require you to be online?
Kill yourself you disgusting sack of shit, you are what is wrong with gaming.
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>>334933594
>playing an action game with 15 fps

ay lmao
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>>334935287
>ligthining
>and also already fixed

welp at least its not running at 15 fps lol
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Remember, PC stands for poopy central. PS has always been the home of souls for good reason, poopers
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>>334952454
I always thought PC stood for Pretty Cool and PS was Poopy Shit.
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>>334951570
Please follow the global rules and keep /pol/ shit in /pol/. Your fear of liberals has nothing to do with dark souls 3, it's just you shitposting and derailing the thread to be your personal politics shitfit. You are basically like a furry

>GUYS I AM FROM /pol/ NOTICE MEEEEE

If you don't like being called a butthurt /pol/tard who is shitposting, then don't do it.
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AMD Phenom x4 9850
Nvidia GTX 560

can I run this or should I even bother?
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>>334953806
Shut the fuck up you butthurt faggot. This thread derailed hours ago.

Just because I pointed out the hypocrisy of your statement you go all white knight obey the rules or else? Pathetic.
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>>334954334
You have to go back
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