Splinter Thread.
Please?
>>334866463
They're pretty cool games I guess.
>>334866463
I wish Conviction wasn't shit.
The first two were the only good ones.
I enjoy the series. Not big on Pandora Tomorrow. Conviction gets too much hate, but it wasn't terrible. Just bad.
>>334866463
why did he look like an alien in chaos theory
>>334866726
ew skinny dyel a$$ b*tch
Why do so many people hate Conviction and Blacklist?
I had a fucking blast trying to ghost missions.
Blacklist was fun too.
Once you had a super beefy Sam, it was pretty comfy to just dominate the game.
How can MGScucks even compete?
>>334867295
I liked Double Agent.
>people don't like Pandora tomorrow
The first 3 were GOAT
4th was cool I guess
Conviction was a bit of a let down
>>334866463
i got you brah
>>334867548
PT had shit level design, it was janky as fuck, product placement was worse than CT's airwaves stuff and Lamber wasn't Lambert.
Honestly I didn't mind Conviction that much, it had a bunch of dumb stuff but at least it had some sense of closure.
I was more annoyed at them deciding to make another game in the fucking series when Conviction very clearly finished it all up.
>>334867220
It wasn't though. They tried something just a little different and it wasn't met with grand applause. They fixed things for the better with Blacklist, which I feel is what Conviction should have been. It seems like the next natural step.
I want to play these games so bad again. I wish they would make them backwards compatible for the xbox already. Is MGS V phantom pain a good filler for stealth games?
>>334867515
Chaos Theory was the best in the series.
>best music
>best graphics
>more dark humor
>>334867681
I was more annoyed they didn't have Michael Ironside as Sam's VA.
>>334867707
Conviction was wayyy too action packed. Marking enemies for execution doesn't belong in the series.
inb4 it's optional
>>334867778
PC, Wii U, 360, PS3... how can you not play them? Seriously?
>Is MGS V phantom pain a good filler for stealth games?
No. It's fun, but absolutely terrible if you're expecting an MGS game. With that being said, I played the fuck out of it. Get it cheap and you can easily drop 100+ hours
>>334867890
Biggest betrayal in gaming ever.
>>334868009
>inb4 it's optional
That's the stupidest thing I've seen in a while.
If it's optional, and you don't like it, then don't use it. Higher difficulty levels in Blacklist straight up disable it. I don't remember if its the same in Conviction.
>>334868036
>silencers are consumables
I will never play that shit fuck kojima to death with aids riddled niggers.
>>334866463
I loved Conviction.
Eat shit if you disagree.
>>334868182
Hated that mechanic, got the mod for infinite silencer asap. Made the game so much better.
>>334868220
Did you complete the game without using Mark&Execute?
>>334868036
All i have to play games on now is my xbox one. My laptop is too shit to play anything on it.
>>334868298
Only cowards and normies use M&E.
So yes.
>>334868160
Nigga... It's a stealth game/series. My point is that it has no good reason to be in the game - other than pandering to casual gamers.
>>334868279
Fucking sick nigger kill yourself
Blacklist was a step forward in regards to alternate paths. It's a pity the stages were so linear despite the paths. The Bank and Cargo Ship in CT are the standard for Splinter Cell Level design imo.
>>334868421
Splinter Cell, PT & CT run exceptionally well on low end laptops in my experience. Drop some change during the next steam sale and risk it. Personally, I would say pick up a pre-owned ps2/xbox and play the first 3 before doing anything else.
>>334868498
Then you should have said that. Because I agree.
Name a better level than CIA HQ.
Protip: It'spossible that you can but not likely.
>>334868758
japan level
>>334868640
Oh I've played all of them. And I've bought the first one on steam and it works fine for like an hour and then my frame rate drops to like 2
I hope they do a splinter cell collection for next gen
>>334868758
Bank
the TV station in Indonesia
>>334867515
>boss fights
>music
>acting
>fun
>>334868981
Me too. I really wanted to try Blacklist, but I can't spare any space on my ps3.
>>334868758
atleast for me it's the most memorable level of all splinter cell games
>>334869062
>>>334867515
>>boss fights
does not have a place in stealth games
>>music
nope
>>acting
not really, hayter is fucking shite compared to ironside
>>fun
subjective
>>334868758
The Penthouse and Displace International HQ were pretty damn good, I also liked the Kinshasha stage in Double Agent. Presidential Palace in the first game was solid too. CIA HQ is definitely one of the best.
>>334868958
Jeez, your laptop must be REALLY old.
>>334869062
>fun
Easy there, pilgrim.
What's the story with Sam's age? Does he de age or some shit? Are the games just not all canon or something. Why does he look 30 in blacklist?
>>334868758
The underground bunker in Denver.
>>334869062
>>fun
Nope, only technology.
>>334868981
This would make me happy for the next decade.
>>334869291
He bought some Just for Men and moisturizer.
>>334869291
while Fisher did kill Lambert in the books, in the absolute latest Splinter Cell book Sam just retires after one rather dangerous mission and trains new Splinter Cells. This Fourth Echelon thing didn't happen.
>>334869291
There's no answer. Seriously. It's just horse shit. And I'm a huge Splinter Cell fan. We just, uh.. don't talk about it.
>>334869535
He kills him in Double Agent too, don't forget that.
>>334869097
I have blacklist because u bought a bunch of games and an Xbox from some kid to resell, and I haven't been bothered to play it. I'm still salty from no ironside.
>>334869418
Yep, I love 1-3 and I'm currently in the middle of playing double agent. Conviction was fun.
>>334869632
in the books and in Double Agent, I haven't read or played the part where he killed Lambert yet.
it's really annoying how they put out two different Double Agent games.
>>334869291
blacklist isnt canon
Why the fuck did they kill off Archer? He could have been the perfect successor to Sam's legacy, especially since he had Sam's jaded dark humor personality.
Hell, it could have been Kestral for all I care, anything but Mr. OOH RAH BY THE BOOKS Blacklist Fisher
>>334866463
>download pandora tomorrow and get totally stoked to play
>it took me until israel to realize that the game was broken on modern computers and none of the gameplay critical shadows worked at all
thanks ubisoft
>>334869291
It's like James Bond I think, certain things stay canon, other things don't
>>334869632
You don't have to though.
>>334869801
The two versions of Double Agent was a bit naff. But the PS2 version has fun coop.
>>334869865
You don't have to, true enough. But it's considered the canonical choice by most.
>>334869836
There's a fix you double nigger.
Go download it now.
>>334869826
More like the first three games isn't canon. Blacklist was the reboot of the series.
>>334869996
it is actually the canonical choice. the next games have Lambert dead
>>334869672
I liked Double Agent. I don't really have a memory of anything amazing with that game except the ending. It seems like the outlier of the splinter cell games.
>>334870024
Shit, there wasn't when I last looked. Thanks anon. Fuck Ubisoft for ignoring this.
>>334870102
'no'
SC is dead and neo-ubisoft are beating a dead horse
>>334870165
>Fuck Ubisoft for ignoring this.
Indeed.
Reminder not to buy the PC version of Pandora Tomorrow.
People fixed that shit for free. Don't give Ubi your money.
>>334870103
I know it's the proper choice, but there are some folks that tend to prattle on about how it's "character breaking" which is nonsense.
I even happened across a theory once that claimed Lambert was the bad guy pulling the strings and that he didn't expect Sam to shoot him. Entertaining, but nonsense.
Grimsdoitter goes from being some snarky support member to an "ice Queen" leader of third echeleon in Conviction.
>>334868640
The sea fort coop level was pretty good about alternate routes.
>playing coop with friend
>doing the border mission for Grimm
>keep reminding him that he can't just shoot fucks right as he sees them because there's snipers and shit that will spot the bodies
>he does it anyway because muh murder fantasies
>keeps getting us almost caught, have to bail us out each time
>>334870191
No it's not you can't say that.
>>334867538
This
>>334867778
Ps3 blacklist was terrible looking. Just blurry everywhere.
>>334870427
I can
3 amazing games, then 1 mediocre and rest awful garbage
>>334870417
Few things are worse than having a bad coop buddy.
Condolences.
>>334867502
I actually liked the customization and stealth in this game but hated the story and Sam's new voice and characterization
I think you mean
>Dead series thread
It's okay. I still long for Tenchu resurrection myself.
>>334870272
The funny thing is, I had already played through the entirety of the first game without ever realizing it was fucked on my computer. Avoiding spotlights and things like that was a fucking nightmare. I thought the game was just insanely hard like that and you had to intuitively grasp where you could be seen even though there was meant to be obvious light all over.
Chaos Theory > Pandora Tomorrow > Double Agent Xbox/PS2 > Splinter Cell 1 > Blacklist > Double Agent Xbox 360 / PC > Conviction
>>334870519
but it makes me sad. Blacklist wasn't that bad.
>>334870519
only Conviction felt really out of place.
in that game Sam is more powerful than fucking Max Payne.
also
>buy Blacklist for cheap
>have no one to coop with
feels kind of bad
>>334870505
For real?
I played it on PC but I also picked up a copy on Wii U for comfy bed off-screen play. Got a comparison shot of PS3 vs something else?
>>334870659
Same here. The customisation plus higher difficulty levels let you tailor make the game.
Shotgun runs, Pistol runs, Sniper Rifle runs, Ghost runs, Knife runs and more.
Super enjoyable. I especially liked the uniform and goggle customisation that let you go from tank to ghost.
>>334870605
To be fair I kinda pulled him right into the coop missions. I don't think he had even done the first story mission outside the intro. But yeah SC's "Hurry up and wait" gameplay can be hard for some people to grasp at times.
>hanging in vent in seafort
>waiting for guy to fuck off around the corner so I can check what's behind the other door
>just doing normal guard shit so I know he'll move after a few seconds
>buddy fucking shoots him
>right in front of another guard
>lose two potential undisturbed guards because he's so trigger happy from playing other shooters
>>334870860
>>have no one to coop with
Still interested in it? What's your steam?
>>334869062
>boss fights
I guess even though stealth games should not have them
>music
Subjective. Chaos Theory had an amazing soundtrack
>acting
Ironside absolutely destroys Hayter
>fun
Would probably agree for MGS3 but the rest were not as fun as the Splinter Cell games
>>334870964
>steam
sorry, the humble bundle I bought it from gave a code only for uplay.
besides, I haven't touched the game in years, probably totally forgot how to play and will ruin your fun
>>334866463
BLACK LIST IS LITERALLY THE BEST GAME OF THE SERIES AND THE BEST STEALTH GAME MADE TO DATE
FUCK YOU YOU PUNK ASS BITCH
THIS IS NOT A DEBATE
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE ARGUMENT I POSTED THAT CAN BE EXPLICITLY REFUTED THESE ARE SIMPLE TO DIGEST AND QUICK TO UNDERSTAND
F A C T S
>>334867295
What's wrong with chaos theory
>>334871140
Real original. Go give your sister a capri-sun and then you can play some more video games.
>>334869836
>>334870024
>>334870165
Did you pirate it? Also where's the fix?
>>334871079
Uplay works too. As long as you're not a tard about it you'll be fine. I'm decent at the game but I don't expect perfect run throughs since I'm not that good either.
>>334871279
>Go give your sister a capri-sun
I get this reference
>>334867890
Ironside saw the MUH FREEDUMB! MUH MURRIKA! SEMPER FI ME IS MEAN MUHREEN! Bullshit redesign of the character Not-Sam and told UBISHIT to go fuck themselves.
>yfw Ironside has more conviction than UBISHIT 's entire company.
>>334871279
You had a chance and you failed. I told you you couldn't refute A N Y T H I N G I posted. A self-fulfilling prophecy. Loser.
>>334871350
I really love the idea of finally playing coop but it's 9 am right now and I'm at the office, but thanks, it means very much to me
I have some really fucking good memories playing coop with a buddy on the ps2 7-8 years ago.
How time flies
>>334871140
Only good parts with it was the last level and Briggs mission.
Fite me faget
>>334871312
>Did you pirate it? Also where's the fix?
Yes, i did.
Take a look at this page for the fix: http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Tom_Clancy's_Splinter_Cell:_Pandora_Tomorrow
>>334871518
>it's 9 am right now
Well it probably wouldn't work well anyway, we're literally opposite sides of the globe.
>dat ping
>>334870789
>Blacklist wasn't that bad.
It was better than Conviction (which isn't saying much) but until they completely get rid of Mark and Execute the series will never be as good as it was. Even if you play on higher difficulties where it isn't turned off most levels are designed around it with easy set-ups for silent take downs in new areas just so you can use that feature soon after.
>>334871427
>Ironside has more conviction
>Conviction
>Ironsides last SC
Intentional? Or are you just talented and you weren't aware?
>>334871559
>Experimental fix
I want to marry and have sex with Grimsdottir for the sole purposes of procreation!
>>334871790
Try it.
It's for free :^)It works :^)
>>334868160
>If it's optional, and you don't like it, then don't use it.
Problem is that they still design the fucking game around it at times. This is especially noticeable in Conviction.
>>334871519
Right there with you friendo.
Throwing your buddy over lasers.
Team climbing walls.
Giving a leg up to reach objectives.
Good times. Simple, but good.
>>334871427
>Get ousted by the company for some new blood
>Conviction
Jesus you people are worst than Hayter fans.
>>334871719
>SOTI is dead forever
I should have gone through and made an archive but I kept hoping he'd come back.
Blacklist for PC any good?
>>334871870
It was kinda hot when I slapped her in conviction..
>>334871427
I thought it was because of all the mo-cap stuff they were doing. Ironside was just too damn old to be able to pull it off, since they were doing VO at the same time as mo-cap.
>>334872078
Yes.
Why did CT Sam look like shit? Seriously, I prefer PT Sam over him.
>>334872078
yes. if you're really skeptical just pirate it.
>>334872078
Yes it's also cheap as fuck now.
>>334872094
mein neger
Literally the only good part about Conviction was that scene.
>>334866463
I don't get it, why does the goggle have three lens while Sam only has only two eyes?
>>334871949
This, it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so built into the game.
>>334872107
they honestly didn't have to insist on doing mo-cap.
>>334872107
They were doing VO at the same time as mo-cap, but they didn't need to. I hardly looked great.
TL:DR : It's cheaper to pay one new actor than it is mo-cap one new actor and pay a veteran actor for his voice. Ironside also thought new Sam was shite.He was right.
>>334872179
To each their own.
I liked CT Sam more than PT Sam
>>334872179
I always thought the cover of the game made him look like George clooney.
>>334872302
Did he say this at some point or is this just /v/ sucking Ironside's dick.
>>334871525
>that promotional picture
>it's raining
>nobody gives a fuck
>it's completely clear outside
>wear NVGs
>it's raining
Can you get Pandora Tomorrow on PC? I have the first game and Chaos Theory, I just need the second game. Haven't played it in years.
>>334872497
I do recall reading it, but I couldn't even begin to remember where I saw it.
Though it is backed up by that one video he did where he talked about Sam. He liked the fact that Sam was a one man army that didn't act like a one man army, ie: Any Call of Duty main character.
Sorry I can't point you towards the proper info
>>334872780
>Can you get Pandora Tomorrow on PC?
Yes.
You can even pick up the first 3 games in a 3 disc edition for fuck all, it's super cheap.
>>334866463
chaos theory would be perfect if it wasn't for the whale/cow eyes. Holy fuck why
>>334872780
You need this.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tom-Clancys-Splinter-Cell-Ultimate-Edition-PC-DVD-Inc-5-Games-New-and-Sealed-/261569867660?hash=item3ce6c76f8c:g:yX0AAOSwDk5T9eaO
>>334867338
I remember playing that bourne game that came out and thinking this is shit and then conviction came out and thinking this is probably exactly what they wanted to do with the bourne game
Alright /v/
How much of a Splinter Cell fan are you?
>I own all the games
>the only one I don't have is the Blacklist that came with a drone
>But I have pic-related. And it's sealed.
>>334873394
I read most of the books
>>334873394
Is that still a thing people can buy? what is that?
>>334873394
I had a bunch of games but a flood in the basement ruined them. Time to build the collection I guess.
>>334874038
The world of Tom Clancey's Splinter Cell.
It was a limited release thing that only dropped in Poland of all places.
Splinter 1,2&3 + bonus content and manuals. The thicker book is a guidebook of the three games. The box is lined with green velvet.
I tracked a copy down on a forum and bought of the guy for £30 + £5 p&p.
If you want one, I wish all the luck in finding one!I enjoy trying to find rare game tat
>>334874509
>Time to build the collection I guess.
No time like the present! Build something glorious anon.
>>334874518
>only in Poland
but why
>>334876154
I know seriously why Poland.
>>334876154
>>334876338
Beats me.
Seriously, I tried asking my Ubi PR guy if he could find me one and he didn't even know it existed.
>>334876412
>Ubi PR guy
Enthusiast or media?
Love these games. Currently working on getting 1 and 2 working properly on PC.
>>334876412
And just to kick me while im down the splinter cell trilogy is only for PS3. Man I really hope some SC games will become backwards compatible soon.
>>334877145
I wish I could use a gamepad easily on it.
>>334867778
>Is MGS V phantom pain a good filler for stealth games?
Not if you're stuck on console. Only PC users can experience any form of true stealth, thanks to modding.
>>334877084
Media. 2006 >
>>334877173
Live in hope anon. I like playing them on their original platform though. I'm a sucker for nostalgia.
>>334877271
But dat scroll wheel controlling speed.
>>334866463
>want to replay Pandora Tomorrow
>lost my CD
>not available on digital anywhere
Fuck
>>334877367
A thing of beauty. You've got your head screwed on anon.
>>334871708
>off most levels are designed around it with easy set-ups for silent take downs in new areas just so you can use that feature soon after.
Ehhh
I'd say Blacklist's strongest aspect was that it was designed with both assault and sneaking in mind so that while mark and execute does help, it is never necessary if you are doing a full stealth playthrough. I played on realism, or whatever the hardest difficulty was, without it and I didn't feel like I was missing anything.
>>334877474
What console?
>>334877543
There were only 2 or 3 parts where you had to fight. I enjoyed it.
>>334877367
That felt so great. I'm surprised no other games have ripped that off.
>>334877338
Real talk.
Is all that stuff you see online about companies paying sites and critics for good reviews actually true?
>mfw beat CT on PC countless times
>go to play it again
>out of the fucking blue thermal vison is fucked for no reason
>shit that should show heat is cold dead while only light is hot
I can play the fucking game without thermals but still I enjoy using everything I have
Also where the fuck did Redding go? I've read the books and played the games but he just up and disappears
>>334868758
Maria Narcissa
That bullet train level in PT
Guess I just really like moving level
So does she want Sam's dick or not?
>that slap in Conviction
>>334878306
What happened to her face between Conviction and Blacklist?
>>334869835
If they ever make a sequel they'll probably change his personality, it was pretty much the biggest criticism of Blacklist.
first time trying to play Splinter Cell series
should I try from the first one or from Chaos Theory?
>>334878003
Last post then.
Yes and no. At least, for me the answer is yes and no. They don't pay for good reviews, they pay for news coverage and will direct views to you/your site.
If they straight up paid a company or a site, then someone, somewhere would have let something slip by now. Common misconception is that there's some grand conspiracy at play, but it's more akin to many small agreements working in tandem.
Look at something like Gears of War Judgement. It was mechanically sound and worked perfectly fine. But the story, characters, level design, weapons and forced horde portions are all bad. Despite that, the game got great scores. Why? Because nobody that scored the game well mentioned those things in any meaningful way. If you can spin a negative into a positive, then you're doing it right.
In short, what you read is true, but how it happens is different from what you read.
Goodnight anon's. Good thread.
>>334878607
First
>>334878607
First game, but only if you plan on playing them all. The first game didn't age super well.
>>334878306
she looked like one of those troll dolls in conviction, but to answer your question they got rid of sam and grims voices in favor of mocap folks, and grims mocap/va is canadian that's pretty cute
>>334878607
first one
still holds up alright and has some neat shit to it, plus starting from the first and working your way and seeing the games evolve to CT is pretty fucking neat
>>334878679
Night dude.
>>334867490
Blacklist is legit my favourite game ever
and only like 10% of that is down to Grim being insanely hot
>>334878679
Neat.
>>334878516
Aging
>>334879431
I get aging, but between just those two games she looks like a completely different character.
>>334867295
I love Blacklist.
anyone read the books?
I only read this one and it was an interesting read. only like a few parts did it felt like splinter cell, most of it felt like a by the numbers tom Clancy book.
>>334880229
tfw the one fucking ubi game that doesn't get the open world formula treatment is blacklist
Not saying make a splinter cell open world game but apply that movement and stealth/kill/combat choice and you could have a cracking game
They nicked some bits for asscreed syndicate but it's not enough
>>334880638
sometimes i feel like that book inspired the storyline for conviction. not that they were very similar but including his daughter in the whole thing. i wonder if that book is what ruined the game series. the daughter of the us military's greatest physical asset getting kidnapped doesn't seem very realistic to me...but it sounds exactly like the kind of bullshit ubisoft would put in a game.
>>334878306
>S-Sam stop breaking the rules!
>literally unleashes an unsanctioned drone attack in Iran to save his life
Obviously.
got this recently to play the all three back to back.
I never got around to play the multiplayer of these games, was it any good? any severs around?
>>334880726
Just wait for e3. Guarantee they announce another SC game.
>>334878026
Redding was forced out by Tom Reed. He went into the private sector, briefly working for Vic Coste at Paladin Nine before looking for something a bit more structured. These days he's the business development manager for a research firm specializing in DARPA contracts based out of Cambridge, Massachusetts.
>>334880726
SC wouldn't work as open world anyway, it would literally be a reskinned Asscreed + optimization problems.
Maybe Blacklist worked because Ubisoft couldn't get way with doing the same open world concept again.
CT>blacklist>DA next gen>PT>SC1>DA last gen>conviction>essentials>conviction 3d>chaos theory ds>CT gba>PT gba>ngauge>conviction android
>>334881405
Man I hope they do. I asked the Maxime Béland guy from Ubisoft if they were working on a new SC and he said he couldn't comment on it. :/
Can anyone recommend operatorcore games like SC that have this 24 vibe?
>>334882027
Ghost Recon Future Soldier is decent.
I don't mind that Eric Johnson guy, but for the next one give him a sense of humor and grow Sam's fucking hair out, he looks like Commander Shepard now.
>>334867338
Why did Sam sound all pissed and realistic during the gameplay reveal, but the demo and final game he made him all silly and sarcastic?
>>334880638
First 4 books are great.
>>334882304
you're great....
DA > CT > SC > PT > B > C
objectively the right order ^
>>334878937
isn't her voice the same? if its not its very similar
>there will never be Tom Clancy's universe game where the gameplay changes each mission depending on the franchise
like that intro in hawx where graw soldiers are cheering for hawx jets after helping them, or that mission Vegas where a rainbow infiltrates an area with a Splinter Cell
I can already see it
>missions starts with hawx clearing the sky for ghost recon to infiltrate a terrorist group
>then you switch to ghost recon after that mission
>gr finds info that two terrorist group in new York and paris are linked to the one gr just took in Libya out so they send rainbow to new York and a 4th echelon operative for the more delicate mission so it doesn't create national problems or whatever fancy word there is for that, to clear out the targets
>rainbow takes down one of the groups and so does the Splinter Cell
>you plan your missions on the place where end war's hq takes place
>>334882915
Based on what? Blacklist is objectively better than 1 and Double Agent. Hell it's probably even better than PT.
>>334882915
Somebody didn't play Blacklist on Perfectionist or bother with the Grimm missions.
How's BL's stealth? I heard it's just going cover to cover, and waiting for enemies to just leave the room entirely.
>>334882197
For some reason his hair looked longer when the googles were on, without them he had a buzz cut.
>>334882172
if only this game focused less on action and more on the Ghost part, it would have been fantastic.
Loved the quiet moments but they get ruined quickly by scripted loud sequences on almost every mission.
also
not that my main focus on these games is story but the story was just ASS not even decent, and pulled a soprano and just ended out of nowhere.
>>334868981
PeeCee
>>334882197
Why did they change the hobo Sam from Conviction reveal? I kinda like him
>>334883168
>or that mission Vegas where a rainbow infiltrates an area with a Splinter Cell
what? what's this
>>334883170
in what dimension is blacklist better than the first game? give me some of the shit you're smoking.
>>334883386
Depends on the level. Some of them are about using shadows while some are just hiding behind cover (mainly the early levels set during the day).
As far as I know, the stealth detection algorithm is pretty complex, at least on the same level as CT.
>>334883826
I don't think it's that complex. If the light is green, you're pretty safe. if the light is red, you're not.
>>334883536
Because Assassin's Creed was LITERALLY the exact same game. Seriously, read up on it.
>>334883426
The mandatory assault sections were balls, but the rest of the gameplay is pretty solid.
>>334883386
It takes a bit more thinking than going cover to cover, but the same can be said of all Splinter Cells, just waiting until the guard turns around and leaves...
>>334883653
Gameplay wise, it is much better. Don't get me wrong, the first game is fucking fantastic. But it's sluggish and, I know I'm going to get shit for this, outdated.
>>334883826
>stealth detection algorithm
Nigga... I love the game, but it's literally raycasting. Are you within the line of sight and distance that is programmed in? Are you in the dark, which lowers those parameters? Etc. it's not rocket science or complex.
>>334882027
Alpha Protocol.
>let's have our A team develop the non-canonical good game on dying platforms while we have our shitty B team develop the shitty canonical game on next gen platforms
what the fuck were they thinking
>>334883386
Mobility is a big fucking deal, as is speed. Guard patrols cover most of an arena, and dogs will ruin your day unless you KO/kill them. Typical strategy is to move quickly along the path of least resistance, using CQC to take out problematic guards, and gadgets to force openings. Alarms and minor disturbances are punished more harshly here than in any other CT game, so it's better to kill a guard than have an alarm raised.
>it's just going cover to cover
CtC's advantage is that you're moving at full run speed with the noise of a crouched run. CtC's disadvantage is that you're locked to a certain path, angle, and speed. I avoid CtC when I play as moving quickly is too risky unless you've cleared the area, at which point a full run is plain better.
>waiting for enemies to just leave the room entirely
Not happening in the vast majority of rooms.
>>334883536
HoboSam depended on the game being scavenge-driven, and the necessary rework meant cutting down on complicated features like that.
>>334884348
gameplay-wise, blacklist is barely a splinter cell game. the sluggish feeling was GOOD in the old games because it made you feel like a real, human spy who was drastically outnumbered, rather than a supersoldier who could break out into jason bourne mode whenever you needed to.
>>334884348
>Because Assassin's Creed was LITERALLY the exact same game. Seriously, read up on it.
I wouldn't say that. They were promising a lot more environmental interaction than AC, and multiple sneaking locations, a bit like what was promised with MGSV.
>>334882197
he really does, the story didn't even take advantage of the change, making the change pointless. Sam could already do amazing feats at his older age so that excuse they made Ironside say about this new sam not matching his voice because he moves more goes out the window and they could've just hired a mocap solely for his body because that excuses makes no sense, if the actor is older and so is the character then he shouldn't be able to do more crazy stunts like he used to, probably would actually do less stuff, but again they could have mocap per his body without changing the va like they did before in conviction and possible the previous titles, not to mention ubisoft keeps ignoring his Benjamin button condition of getting older but looking younger.
>lasers? Lasers are so...
ubisoft has had many chances of introducing new protagonist or even a spin off and retiring sam or make him the new Lambert, in VT with Bob and steve(not their official names) the archer and kestrel and the double agents last gen Co op, next gen da new guy that gets killed on the first mission, the guys that help you in CT, and now the black dude from blacklist, and possibly Sam's daughter taking on the mantle if they wanted to, I doubt Sam would like that but it would make for some great banter between the two if Sam is the new Lambert, and would make that flashback from conviction with kid Sarah fit nicely.
hearing Sam talking to his daughter through the phone in blacklist was weird, sounded like her older brother than her dad.
>>334884637
Also one nice thing they promised is that you could pick up almost any object and use it. They apparently even bothered to animate Sam's hands properly for every object.
Then they threw all that out. It's certainly a more interesting looking game than what we got.
>>334884585
Nah it was bollocks
Because it'd be sluggish and fuck and then sam would do a superhuman jump and splits up a wall to avoid a guard
didn't mesh at all
>>334883602
not really a Splinter Cell but it's an obvious nod to it, it's the mission where you go solo on an oil area I think and another dude sneaks around with you, it's on Vegas 2 I think.
>>334866463
>The fucking chaos theory face
>>334884779
More interesting, but a bitch to smooth out. Those little interaction things - which are a sideshow at best - were given priority over the core game loop. Keeping them and getting the core game developed would have been suicide.
>they removed those torture scenes
>they de aged fisher
>you cant understand the story without playing the co op and reading the comics
i liked it and hated it
>>334884901
You should've seen the model for the demo.
>>334884723
I think Ubisoft wants to start ignoring the timeline, which is fine since it's fucked up now anyway and nobody plays SC for the story.
I don't want a new character 2bh, just freeze Sam and call it a day, games have the benefit of being able to do that. I can pretend the newest games are in an alternate universe or something.
>>334873463
how were they?
Which ones were the best?
whats the weirdest thing that happens?
>>334884585
What exactly makes a Splinter Cell game?? And really Sam has always been cream of the crop. He was 18 when he went through Seal training, served for a long ass time, went into retirement and STILL did all the crazy shit depicted in SC1. Also, good luck going Jason Bourne head on into a group of dudes. You die in 3 shots on realistic.
>>334884637
Sort of. I honestly have no idea why they went in the opposite direction with the game. Like... It makes no logical sense.
>>334884783
the split jump isn't superhuman, anyone can do that if they are in good shape. it was also just a gimmick for the trailers, there was only one part of the game where you needed it. i'm talking about the conviction-esque shooting controls that feel completely out of place in a spy game.
>>334866463
>Night vision goggles
http://splintercell.wikia.com/wiki/Development_of_Tom_Clancy%27s_Splinter_Cell:_Conviction
I wish they at least kept his rugged look
>>334885247
they're all right.
I think the one where he had to take out some sort of Big Bertha nuke cannon. it's pretty stupid, yeah, but the books are written like an imperfect playthrough. He wants to do stealth all the time but sometimes he has to fight through some alarms and uses up all his equipment to get out by the skin of his teeth.
I can't remember much about any weird things, the books are pretty much on par with what Sam Fisher does in the games.
>>334885274
you make a splinter cell game with an artsy atmosphere and that tense feeling of being completely outnumbered and in serious danger at all times. two things that conviction and blacklist lack.
>>334867890
>Micheal Ironside will never be sam fisher again.
>>334885521
oh now I remember. the bad guys always have some stupid world-ending shit.
>big bertha cannon that fires nuclear warheads that can't be intercepted.
>lichen that eats oil/gasoline, which, when released, will eat all the oil and send the world into anarchy
well, I guess that ties in with Rainbow Six villains having some sort of cultured virus or disease whom Ding and Clark leave out in the wildest jungles in cold blood.
>>334885282
>anybody in decent shape
Not even. I wouldn't say it's super human either, but the dude's pushing mid-40's in the first game and still able to do that shit?
>>334885581
Again, if you go in guns blazing, you're gonna be dead in less than a second. In the first game if you were one on one you could deal with him, just like in Blacklist.
Next time don't play the game on easy.
>>334867890
he refused to voice him. it's not like Ubi didn't want him
>>334885852
i said good shape not decent. you can maintain an athletic body well into your 50s if you train as hard as a SEAL does.
obviously you have to use cover, you don't just jump out and start spraying. but in the old games you couldn't play it like a cover shooter, you had to aim carefully because you only had about 60 bullets in your assault rifle.
>>334885368
Fuck you.
Sam should've stopped being an operative after chaos theory and retired or become a handler for a new protagonist. It would make a lot more sense than this complete fucking rewrite / reverse aging garbage they have going now.
I liked the newer games in terms of gameplay, for the most part, but the atmosphere is all gone. It turned from a comfy stealth game with banter between handlers into a shallow action movie plot.
Grim is a fucking geek, not some badass gunslinger guuuurl
>>334866463
He looked fucking nuts in Chaos Theory.
>>334885193
if they're going to change the voice they might as well start with a new character, conviction wrapped up Sam's story nicely, he saved the president, saved his daughter, saved his friend, got his charges dropped, one nice bow.
then BOOM, VOICE CHANGE, YOUNGER SAM, 4TH ECHELON
All this new stuff at once and everything feels like a spin off but it's not because the protagonists is still called Sam Fisher.
don't get me wrong I don't dislike the new va, I just would've preferred for him to be a new character passing the torch instead of ubisoft telling me this guy is Sam fisher when he clearly isn't
freezing his age? I'd be fine with that if they at least put rules to it and stick to them, not keep changing it or ignoring it. story might not be the biggest focus for these games but continuity still needs to exists, I'm not talking strictly story continuity, but for character, setting, rules etc.
no matter how ridiculous these rules are they will makes sense in the world they are set on as long as you stick to them and not copping put.
sorry for the long post
>>334886057
He refused to do voice plus mocap.
>>334886129
you couldn't play it like a cover shooter because the aiming was very slow and sucked.
killing someone in a firefight took like 10 seconds and another will have flanked you in that time.
>>334886331
killing someone takes one second when you hit them in the head, which is what you had to do if you wanted to kill everyone. remember the kalinatek level? that was the only level in the whole game with more than one or two ammo drops. and even in that level, if you didn't take headshots, you probably wouldn't have enough ammo for defending the helicopter.
>>334886057
the video clearly shows that he was lying and was told or even payed to say that, to calm fans down, the opposite of what Koji/nami did and caused a shit storm so big that Hayter is still crying about it.
>>334885358
SHOEWIIIIIIIiiiiing
>>334886202
something happened between 2 and 3 that fucked up Sam big time, but it's just a theory, A CHAOS THEORY
>>334885358
I think Splinter Cell having those goggles was a design decision by Red Storm or Ubisoft and Clancy didn't like it because it wasn't realistic for some reason.
>>334886949
Why is Chaos Theory called Chaos Theory?
>>334887006
because NVG's fucking suck
>>334886540
Confirmed for playing on anything other than Realistic. In realistic ammo caches and mark and execute are disabled. Get fucked.
>>334887162
it has something to do with that Dvorak level.
>>334887006
They were planning for the NV and thermal goggles to be a separate item. Turns out that's not a very fun gameplay mechanic, so they sacrificed realism for fun.
>>334887272
realistic is for scrubs, i only played that game on perfectionist. you don't need ammo caches when the game has a full arsenal available for custom loadouts.
>>334887347
>not a fun game mechanic
so many devs forget about this nowadays
>>334869291
It's like a pulp fiction novel. There's some continuity but most games are episodic in nature
or at least it should be.
>>334887481
Sorry, realistic is Conviction, Perfectionist is Blacklist. Either way, if you're the same person you just said something about ammo drops you fuckface. If not, thank you for the correction.
I simply can't wait for the next Splinter Cell® open-world game. Highpaced action, vehicles to drive in, tons of empty land to stroll around in, no humor, Sam is a completely revenge driven soldier with zero personality, mark and execute mechanic. Bravo Ubisoft™! #4ThePlayers
>>334887930
It'll be Riggs. Have fun playing as a nigger.
>>334868498
>it's bad not because it exists, since i can disable it, it's bad because it makes the game accessible to people who aren't me
I strongly disagree
>>334887821
i was talking about kalinatek, the level in the first splinter cell game. where you go to the roof and you have to kill all of the slavs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfNFIL-RpUk
>tfw this plays
Blacklist was literally the best game in the series since chaos theory
>Chaos Theory was 11 years ago.
>>334888519
That does not say much because
>Double Agent
>Conviction
>>334866463
man, they really fucked his face up for Chaos Theory
>>334887162
Because Douglas Shetland wanted to start World War 3 and plunge the world into chaos because he had the theory that the war would transform American politics and make America great again.
Why aren't you guys posting the soundtrack, Amon Tobin is awesome in Chaos Theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SzhjG6OkvI
