>The dust settles and picture related is the best two part RPG on a handheld
Man, Bravely could have done it too
How would you feel about a remake of the first two Golden Sun games with Bravely's art design?
>>334844478
But the Sprites were awesome.
>>334844218
I've played Dark Dawn. Are these actually any better even if they're older?
>>334844218
Two of the best RPGs of the 2000s. Easily in the top five.
>>334844218
Man, the djinn/psynergy/job system in those games was so fuckin good.
They aren't the best anything. They're terribly mediocre RPGs without any personality or originality. I can't believe anyone likes these pieces of shit. Don't get me started on the endless dialogue without any semblance of sense or anything interesting.
>>334844478
I'm not a huge fan of Bravely's art design. It seems like the natural progression of the FFIII DS port's art style, and it's very cold and plain.
I'd still buy it.
I'd be much more excited to hear that they disowned Dark Dawn and were making a new 3rd game revolving around Alex's return after gaining all the power of the Golden Sun.
>>334844835
Much better yes
>>334844835
The first two games were awesome, the third game not so much. I personally prefer TLA over the first game but most people seem to prefer the first one.
>>334844835
Yes.
>>334844835
They're much better. Dark Dawn was a huge letdown.
>>334845004
Half of that is subjective and the other half is true of the entire genre.
Golden Sun ruined JRPGs by being my first. Now I expect puzzles in every game and get disappointed when it's just mazes with monsters
>>334845060
I actually agree. Especially since TLA builds on the first one in just about every way, incorporating your characters and items from the first one, expanding on the Djinn, perfectly following up on the story
>>334845448
Well to be honest it was supposed to all fit one one cart.
I wanna replay these
>>334845524
That was an ambitiously large game then. I'm surprised a project like that even got started on the GBA.
>>334845576
>three points for DD
Christ. What a shit show
Is there even any other RPGs that does Djinns because that was one of the best parts about it.
>>334844478
How would you feel about an ass kicking?
>>334845842
Well there were only like, what, 3 major events?
All the other shit had to do with some sociopolitical crap I couldn't care about, lighting some furnaces or some shit, and some fetch quest stuff.
Damn. I wish I was home now.
I wanna see and show off what character classes I was using.
>>334845842
>>334846064
I'm not a fan of DD either, but I'm pretty sure that is promotional stuff from DD showing you what leads into the game. That covers the first 15 minutes of Dark Dawn when it sets up your goal.
>>334844835
>even if they're older
Anon..
>>334844218
>best two part RPG on a handheld
What other games are even in that category?
>>334846207
Which is completely sideline'd for some feather bullshit and is only brought up again at the end where everyone goes "Oh yeah, that was a thing."
>>334846392
Bravely.
To be honest, I didn't think it out all the way, I was just trying to not include the third game.
It's probably in the running for best handheld JRPG series.
>>334846392
Persona 2
>>334846392
>>334845004
Oh, its this guy again. Come to shit up another Golden Sun thread again?
>>334845004
this, honestly
but the puzzles and the djinn systems were neat
Pretty cool protagonist. His story in the first game leading into the second game is really interesting.
>>334846998
>feeding thread shitters
Don't
Good but really easy, specially later in game the sheer amount of damage you can do makes battles more of a chore. Less so on the first one.
Umm, the graphics, gameplay, music and puzzles are absolute shit... Sorry mate, this game is just crap...
>>334846998
Just trying to stop people from wasting their time on shitty games, bro
>>334847846
1/10 made me reply
Let's see I remember I had Felix as a Samurai. Isaac as a Palladian. Ivan a necromancer. Don't remember the rest too well but I loved those classes.
>Try to have a thread about a game
>the /v/ anti-videogame league crashes it
Can you guys go back to the hundred Dark Souls threads?
>>334848036
Keep posting
>>334848004
Oh i totally forgot about these. I think it's really time for a replay. What was everyone favourite city? Mines Imil.
>>334845004
>no originality
Seriously? The psyenergy alone makes it pretty original, but bait's bait I guess.
>>334847958
You're needed in tge dark souls 3 thread
>>334844218
>best two part RPG on a handheld
what other two part hand-held RPGs are there?
Man, the 3/DS sure did fuck up some classic JRPG series with bad sequels.
I still remember that shitty lunar game for the DS that made you choose between getting money and items or XP for every battle
>>334848679
SMT4 and SMT4: Apocalypse.
Which incidentally beat the snot out of the generic assness that is Golden Sun but OP would only know that if Golden Sun wasn't the only JRPG he ever played.
>>334848213
Madra
Djinn determining classes was some if the coolest JRPG mechanics, and even effects outside battles with things like Growth from having a multi-type class being useful outside battle for opening new paths.
>>334848213
What was that Atlantis place called. That place was pretty slick. I just remembered reloading to get the best coin toss to get the best items there
>>334845429
I know that feel, after all the RPGs I played after golden sun, only
Tales of graces f gave me good rpg puzzles
>>334848676
I don't even play souls anon
>>334848990
Lemuria.
I loved the Lucky Medal games.
Getting all that sweet-ass loot, man.
>>334848990
Lemuria.
It's cool to get there after so much buildup, and then see the society failing.
Kinda reminds me of K'un-Lun in Iron Fist.
>>334845429
play Lufia 2
>>334849052
You don't play golden sun either.
>>334848358
But it's not even used that much or that creatively. It's just moving boulders around and reading minds. It's such an underdeveloped concept. Had the developers played more around it, the game would at least have one aspect worth mentioning, but at its core, psyenergy is just the same old magic from every JRPG ever.
Who /wrotedownandsavedthepasswordsotheycouldjumpintoGS2whenevertheywantedto/ here?
Golden Sun is okay. The dungeons are great, and the Djinn class system was neat. The actual combat mechanics are pretty fucking standard though and the story is the worst case of endless words with nothing really being said by them I've seen in an RPG. And this is more a personal thing but I'm not a big fan of most of Sakuraba's works.
>>334846392
Bravely is the closest, but it really isn't, especially since they already have plans for Third.
Hopefully it's all new content. Second was better than Default but the reused dungeons in the sidequests were a big drag, especially since the new dungeons were on average much better.
>>334849554
Sakuraba is good, it's just that, as with modern Tales, he was on a budget and he had to meet a deadline. When he can take his time and money, he's amazing.
>>334845429
Try the Wild ARMs games.
>>334849357
>a shit ton of puzzles combining various psyenergy for multiple solutions and rewards
>insight into what literally every character is thinking
Woah pal. Calm down. That alone offers more than almost the entire genre.
>>334849554
I always found the idea of using djinn/summons actively hurting your stats/movepool temporarily to be a really cool drawback to them and I can't really fathom why there aren't any other JRPGs that try that sort of thing.
>>334844218
Alright guys. Post your favourite track from the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yig6n6LjSU4
>>334849691
I think I've only played 1 years and years ago - I remember liking it, and I remember starting 3 but we got off on the wrong foot.
Is 1 worth another play and how's 2?
>>334849041
This town was supposed to appear in 30 years after the 2nd game.
All the fucking lore they fucking pulled out of their asses.
>>334849554
>the story is the worst case of endless words with nothing really being said by them I've seen in an RPG
this, characters just repeat what happened in the story and what you have to do and then ask you "IS THAT RIGHT, ISAAC?"
the djinn system ruled tho, and the puzzles were ok
>>334849139
Wasn't the borders of the world supposed to stop growing and recede?
I remember Izumo being MUCH farther from the borders.
>>334850162
It's alchemy. I ain't gotta explain shit.
>>334850113
2's great.
>>334850036
One of those islands from 2. With the steel drums
>>334844835
>even if they are older
>>334848796
Shin Megami blows, dude.
>hurr durr it's called literature. Oh gosh we need to stop it.
>>334850361
Well the intro does explain that the world got hit with a bunch of natural disasters after the Golden Sun event and changed much of the geography.
>>334850113
Amazing. Way bigger than 1
>>334850036
https://youtu.be/JA_VeKxyfiU
Hah. I Jesus thought it was interesting as a kid that the Mario Tennis GBA game used the same engine.
>>334850645
Yeah and the sea is at different levels.
THE SEA. IS. AT. DIFFERENT. LEVELS.
>>334850743
Jeeze, 1 was pretty big. How's the music?
This song is my favorite game music of all time:
https://youtu.be/gRV_A5ZDXyo
What goes on beyond where the water falls off the edge of the map?
Is that where the cool shit goes down like over the wall in Grandia?
>>334851162
Nothing.
>>334851016
On par. Just take everything cool about 1 and double it for 2
>>334848358
>The psyenergy alone makes it pretty original
It's magic by another name. It's not original.
>>334845004
I thought you realized last thread that nobody gives a shit what you think.
>>334851497
Sweet. Does it have a remake like 1 or a port? I don't want to have to hunt down a PS1 copy unless I have to.
>>334851958
You can get it off PSN for PSP, Vita, PS3
>>334850743
>>334851016
>mfw Battle vs Lord Blazer starts playing
>>334844218
A guy named Quovak did a great text let's play of both where he basically tore the game to pieces over it's plot holes, poor script, bad game design etc It's genuinely funny and well-written.
http://lparchive.org/Golden-Sun/
>>334844218
>two part RPG on a handheld
Trying to qualify that bullshit to keep it out of Megaman Battle Network's arena, huh?
>>334852646
>le grids are good meme XD
Battle Network sucked, bro
>>334845004
I kind of agree with this. My opinion probably doesn't mean much, since I've only played the beginning of the first game. But I stopped playing, BECAUSE it was mediocre, BECAUSE it lacked originality, BECAUSE of the dialogue.
The game felt like a generic snore. So I ejected fairly early on.
>>334852901
Your shitposting is as cliched as Golden Sun.
>>334853001
> I've only played the beginning of the first game.
Your opinion means nothing then
>>334852646
>including games that have nothing to do with the genre
Golden sun haters go to such lengths to shit up threads nowadays
>>334853171
So it's my fault the beginning of the game sucked?
Tell me. I was was supposed to invest how many hours, before it got good?
>>334853238
>Using "haters" unironically.
No surprise you don't understand game genres.
>>334852646
>there will never be kid's games like these again
Where the fuck did all the quality, difficulty and actual depth go? It all got replaced with this barebones mobile shit which I don't understand since every kid fucking loved Battle Network back in the day. Fuck Angry Birds
>>334853843
almost ironic that games made for kids had more skill/depth/quality than games made for adults and women
>>334853642
>Anything turn based and/or has a level up system makes it an rpg
>>334854018
It almost makes me want to make a BN ripoff for IOS/android just to see how many kids actually like it. It can't be that hard, right?
I don't really remember much about these games, at wat point did the cast of the first appeared to save you sorry ass in the second one?
>>334854183
MMBN isn't turned based. And barely has a level up system. No one is claiming those qualities make it an RPG.
>>334854302
Naw it's the opposite, Isaac and Co. get shut down and you save save them
>>334844218
>>The dust settles and picture related is the best two part RPG on a handheld
That's a really specific genre. It's like saying
>"This is the best game with a character named Fuxdux in it"
I DO remember the weird ass tv ad for the game that had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N37K08lpRo8
>>334855112
I think it was supposed to invoke images of the summons.
>>334855112
>he never went to the opera in Dark Dawn
>>334844218
Be honest with me guys. I've finished these games years and years ago, and lost age is in my top 5 games of all time. Is it even worth playing dark dawn for me? I don't want it to ruin the series for me.
>>334854434
So again:
>thread talks about RPGs
>Bring up a game that's not an RPG like it's relevant to shit in this thread
Would Etrian Odyssey 1 and 2 count? They are much more connected than the later games.
>>334854018
>adults and women
>>>/pol/
>>334844218
I played the original back in the day, and liked it. I got stuck at a part I didn't realize was basically the end. Came back and figured it out like a month and a half later, after forgetting almost everything that happened. The ending was a massive cliff-hanger. Never got into the next one. Is it worth it?
>>334855315
MMBN is an RPG.
You're talking crazy talk.
>>334855493
It's one story split between two games basically. Which is better is heavily disputed.
>>334855297
It certainly wouldn't ruin the series for you but you most likely wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much as 1 or 2
>>334849490
I did
>>334855297
Sorry, didn't know this thread turned into a
>muh rpg
>no iz no rpg
Discussion. Thanks for the help anyway.
>>334855540
See >>334854183 then review >>334854434
>>334855876
Blame the battle network fag
>>334855965
The implication was that a turnbase and level up system wasn't what was required to deem a game an RPG.
>>334844218
>golden sun
>2 part
But it's a 4 part series anon.
>>334856564
Right, so why are you calling battle network an rpg?
>>334844218
The golden sun games are bad RPGs with boring characters and simple stories, not to mention a poor level curve that makes enemies feel like padding.
Best RPG on GBA is Sigma Star Saga btw.
There´s one thing we can´t discuss
The first golden sun has the best normal battle theme ever made.
>>334847329
the "puzzles" are the worst part of the GS games. They make Pokémon block puzzles look good.
>>334844218
I agree TC, nothing has come close. Except maybe ports, and the Bravely series.
> That feel when that Golden Sun DS wasn't that great
> That feel when we'll never see a console Golden Sun
> That feel when we'll never see another entry, despite Dark Dawn ending in a cliffhanger.
>>334856808
Why are you claiming MMBN isn't an RPG?
>>334855375
I've never played 1, how are they connected?
Any other cult classic rpg games? Never played Golden Sun, but I will soon. Im pretty hyped. Sucks I missed out on this years ago.
>>334846392
EO, lots of great rereleases, half of the DS's library, weeb psp and vita rpgs.
I have never seen so many faggots go out of their way to shit on a game that a lot of others enjoy like they do with GS. It's pretty hilarious
>>334857045
You remember how in 2 you can put in a password? That basically lets you transfer your guild over from the first game. It also makes the game harder.
>>334856847
but it was the best game ever when we were young
>>334857041
Because RPGs have multiple people in the party, each with special skills unique to them which you are required to make work together to progress unlike battle network where it's just megaman
>>334857512
Ah yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks man.
>>334857117
cult classics huh? well I'll try
Grandia 1 and 2
Suikoden 1,2 and 5
Lufia 2
FF: 4 Heroes Of Light
Live A Live
Oriental Blue (GBA)
The World Ends With You
Baten Kaitos Origins
Legend Of Dragoon (this one is really flawed though, but I still enjoyed it)
Breath Of Fire IV
Treasure Of The Rudras
Can't promise you'll like them all, but check them out
that should keep you busy for a while
>>334857751
You don't have to have a party for a game to be an RPG.
>>334857751
1. That's incorrect. For example, Terranigma, Fable, and Fallout
2. Lan is the operator. The player plays both Lan and Mega Man.
>>334857928
>>334857928
>Legend Of Dragoon (this one is really flawed though, but I still enjoyed it)
How is it flawed?
>>334857928
>FF: 4 Heroes Of Light
Was it really that good? Been dodging it for a while now
Best.
>>334858397
well, the translation is pretty horrible, the world map sucked, switching discs to visit past areas was tedious
>>334858536
Busty Mia is best Mia
>>334858506
I thought it was
it's really good if you're looking for a simple JRPG experience
The AP system was really good as well as it enabled even casters to be useful during regular battles
also, it served as an inspiration for the bravely series (don't know how it compares because I haven't played BD)
>>334858536
oh yes, Mia was such a waifu bait back then
>>334858506
I liked it, but i also don't remember all that much.
>>334857928
>>334857928
Seconding Grandia 1 & 2. Different games, but holy shit are both good.
The first one will give you vibes that I don't think any other game can. That "adventuring" feel you start off with is unparalleled. You literally go from trashcan lid shields to archeological dig sites to going past the edge of the world.
The second game has cool religious tones, cool characters, and really refined mechanics.
>>334858506
Not him, but its pretty cool and a little bit comparable to FF3 on the ds. The characters take a back seat to the story and setting so it feels like a traditional 8bit RPG but with a bit more meat to it. The battle system is interesting in that you decide the characters action but not the target, but it surprisingly isn't a problem. If you aren't a fan of the NES style Final Fantasy games you may not like it.
>>334858536
nope
>>334857928
>The World Ends With You
This. For an RPG, it keeps you surprisingly active instead of the standard "take turns and press buttons"
>>334858536
Remember who saved Dark Dawn from being completely mediocre
Best part of DD, etc.
>>334858175
>>334858163
With that logic, it's like saying any game from any genre is an rpg just cause you can make choices or because you're super important to the story which is stupid because no matter what game genre the player is always gonna be super important 99/100 of the time. The games listed would be defined as Adventure games as in "Choose your own Adventure" games. Your qualifications for this are too vague
Golden Sun is actually a mediocre three part handheld series though
>>334859902
Not him, but i somehow never had the feeling i really understood the fighting system. Doing things on the touchscreen and pressing buttons simultanously was kinda exhausting, too. I still beat the game, and kinda liked the story, but i still don't like it enough to recommend it. Maybe i'm just retarded though.
>>334860732
A game doesn't have to follow everything in a genre down to the line in order to be in the genre still, there is a thing known as non-traditional.
Battle Network is a non-traditional RPG, you have HP, power, speed, and charging power for stats on Megaman, you just don't increase them by leveling up, although there is a level stat shown in earlier games, instead you increase them by finding items, and you get stronger by finding better battle chips, like in another non-traditional RPG, Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories where you get stronger by getting better cards.
You seem like the kind of person who would argue Smash isn't a fighting game, and that Mario Kart isn't a racer.
>>334860271
That's not saying a whole lot.
>>334861805
Who the fuck argues mario kart isn't a racer? Regardless, There's non traditional rpg and then there is "feels nothing like an RPG" and battle network feels nothing like an RPG, not in bad way but in a too unique to call it an RPG way. Just cause something has modible stats doesn't mean it's an rpg cause lots of games have stats like that does that make them rpgs? Rpg means "role playing game", a party of characters you control usually come with certain roles they play in battle and in gameplay and that's what should make RPGs an RPG
If anyone feels like replaying either of the games, there's a really good romhack that balances the game, and nerfs the crap out of summon rushing. Just google Golden Sun "The Balance Age". Next patch will appparently modify and make ailments/debuffs more relevant. Djinn battles can be crazy hard, so be careful.
I am sad that so many good IP's died and didnt make it to the modern gaming era.
Today its all about a core set of games that they can rehash over and over.
CoD
Final Fantasy
etc
Fuck
>All the sprites were actually made from 3D models
That explains why they look so good.
>>334865205
I'm depressed that turn based RPGs are no longer acceptable on consoles
most are now made for handhelds or even worse mobile phones
Valkyrie Profile 3rd game on IOS and Android
Fuck me
>>334866861
How do you like it?
>>334867026
Havent been able to make myself buy it. Is it even out yet?
I hope its a good mobile game..
>>334867668
I don't know.I didn't mean the game.
>>334867949
What did you mean then
