>I buy consoles because I don't have to upgrade every 3 years like you PC fags
We'll see how it turns out. I'm not in favor of it at all.
>>334833268
>400$ every 3 years
>2k$ every 3 years
spot the differences
>>334833268
holy shit pcfags on suicide watch lolol
ready to buy all the ps4's from the normiez for 150€
>>334834068
$400 for one game
$2000 for 20,000 games
>>334834068
Price of games for PC - 0$ for a lifetime
Price of games for consolecucks - 2160$ every 3 years
>>334834068
>defending sony
wew lad
>>334834068
I know your trolling, but some people will believe you. Pls dont spread misinformation
>>334833268
woah, so we can finally play bb at 60fps? or will it be at 4k and 24fps?
>>334834068
>2k
>1k for initial pc cost to run games at 1080p 60 fps on high or near maxed out settings
>If you have a good i5/i7 cpu from 2009-2010 you can still run games at 1080p just fine if you swap out the card
>Optional: buy a new video card every 3-4 years to keep at 60 fps with max visuals but the initial investment will keep it on par or exceed the shitty apu in the ps4k though likely around the same framerate and settings depending on the video card in it
Total 1k + 37 bucks for any games you buy since gmg takes less profit from devs to sell their games on release
>400 dollars for initial ps4, 150 for 3 years of paid online since it's release, games run and look like shit at 20-30 fps on a mixture of low, medium and high settings usually sacrificing shadows and draw distance from the release date will be depreciated after the 4k is out
>Buy a new supposed 400 dollar ps4k again and still pay the online sub every year after that point for 50 bucks still running modern aaa games at 30 fps and 1080p just with better graphics
Total 1k + the 50 dollars ps4 sub after every year + 60 dollar games on release
The next upgrade in 2-3 years will cost 400 dollars, scrap the old console and will come with another 100-150 dollars online fee vs a 300 dollar gpu upgrade
Real neato I sense the goal posts changing
>>334833268
>upgrades entire system
Or
>upgrades video card
Your choice
>>334833268
t. flop
So I'm looking at the specs for this new PS4, and this seems like a strange choice. The PS4 has a really shitty laptop-tier CPU which is bottlenecking the performance, but for some reason they barely improved it and chose to improve the GPU more instead.
Why?
>>334834584
It'll remain the exact same. From will be working on their next game and won't give a shit about the people who shilled BB
>>334835079
>The PS4 has a really shitty laptop-tier CPU which is bottlenecking the performance, but for some reason they barely improved it and chose to improve the GPU more instead.
>Why?
They don't intend on hitting 60 for good looking games. They will basically pump up visual effects they are missing like shadows, draw distance and anti aliasing and let it run at 30.
>>334833268
>people buying ps4k for "60" fps rather than 4k
>>334835079
Cinematic experiences.
>>334834068
You will never have to buy an entirely new computer unless it breaks or you're rich. You will upgrade one thing every couple years.
only on /v/ is $400 a massive life changing investment.
personally for me, I'll buy as PS4K if it has a larger HDD, I wanted to upgrade my HDD on my PS4 for a while now and an excuse to buy a 4KTV
so it sounds worth it for simply for a machine that can output Netflix in 4k, game performance and fidelity is something I can't judge without playing first and I don't think will be the selling point of console, It's for easy to set up 4K content for Cord Cutters
what I'm skeptical about is EVERY GAME MUST HAVE NEO MODE that sounds like BS, hell nearly every game still coming out of Japan is a sub PS3 quality Vita port, I can't see the Compile Heart and Gust of the world squeezing out more performance out of their game, and AAA games have run well enough, while 60 FPS is a big deal on /v/ it clearly hasn't hurt sales of any PS4 game compared to the PC version.
>>334835079
It's unlikely that the PS4's CPU is bottlenecking a 7850/7870
>>334834068
Wew.
>>334836249
>4GB of ram
shiggydiggy
>>334833268
the difference is that their games will still work fine on PS4 vanilla
don't need to upgrade to windows 10 or any faggy shit like that.
i don't have a 4k monitor so this new ps4 doesn't mean shit
ALSO
this is the same shit as New 3DS, nothing worth shitposting over
>>334833268
>consolefag friends always make fun of PC gaming
>"PC gaming is so stupid, you have to upgrade your pc like, every 2 years to have the best experience"
>this whole ps4 shit happens
>tell them that sony gets rid of the last reason to buy a console over pc
>"dude,It's totaly awesome that sony releases a new and better ps4! also, you don't HAVE to buy it if you don't want to"
>tell them that I HAVE to buy it If I want the intended,optimal experience
>"lol, dude, who cares xD"
>a few days later they continue to make fun of PC users for having to upgrade their PCs
>>334836130
>only on /v/ is $400 a massive life changing investment
It's not really that, but keep trying to spin it that way. Video games are not high-end. The console market is not high-end. It relies on lots of people who may not make tons of money buying a game or two every month/few months. That's reality. It doesn't have anything to do with your paycheck or my paycheck.
>>334836408
>being a faggot
This is like the NX leaks all over again.
>>334836249
>no OS, monitor, key/mouse,
+200-300
>>334837778
>no TV, couch or an apartment
+450K
>>334834068
>>2k$ every 3 years
Wow, Sony really does consist of nothing but jews. How can you cucks even defend this?
>>334837778
>ps4 comes with a 1080p tv and a big soft couch and free online
>>334837778
Why would you buy an OS?
>>334834439
>20,000 shit-tier indie games
>>334838290
>1 mediocre tier AA jap game
>>334838290
Are you talking about the current ps4 library and the ps+ monthly games?
4.19 teraflops
holy FUCK that's a lotta flops!!
>>334834068
Holy shit dude that is EXTREME denial. How are Sonyggers okay with the new console if there is literally no exclusivity to it?
>>334837778
>OS
They're $20 on key sites, and the free W10 upgrade ensures the end key is legit.
>monitor coming with a PS4
negative
>k/m
$15.
Plus, that's not even a low end PC. It's an i5. An i3 or used is much cheaper.
>>334833975
This
op is right about why I like consoles and I very much dislike the PS4K.
>>334838703
>paying for windows
thought microsoft literally didn't give a shit if you pirated 7 and then just gave you a legit upgrade to 10
>>334838930
>legit upgrade to 10
Nothing legit about it. You'll upgrade but it's obviously marked as not genuine.
>>334834068
>Brain damage
>>334837778
>Being this retarded
>>334833268
Except we know exactly what's been produced and the leak is full of shit.
>>334839174
oh, that's retarded then.
>>334833268
Newsflash, you don't have to upgrade to a PS4K.
>>334833268
>Installations
>Gamebreaking bugs
>Performance issues
>GB-sized patches
>Day 1 patches
>Upgrades for good graphics
Consoles take on virtually everything bad aspect of PC gaming. Consoleshits are still citing plug n' play and ease of use as the most important advantage of consoles, although it's getting worse every generation.
>>334833268
you still don't have
>>334840052
yet they still refuse to make keyboard and mouse work properly on their shitty systems and shitty games
>>334836249
>USD
in canada a single PC part can run upwards of $400
>>334839751
>consolefags not needing to feel that their hardware is superior than others
going to laugh so hard at the sonygger shitposting to come. can't wait for them to turn on each other. sonyggers calling other sonyggers good goys will bring me endless laughter.
>>334840219
Then stop living in a shithole.
>>334833268
That's precisely why I'm not getting a new console, fuck Sony with a stick, I hope this blows up in their face and takes them down. I fucking saved money to get a fucking console I play 3 games at most on, and now it turns out I'm going to be getting an inferior experience.
My 780 plays games like a dream, I don't need another console, let alone with this jewery alongside it.
Hah, maybe NX will debut at the start of a new console gen after all :^)
>>334840219
>a fucking leaf
I thought consoles were becoming too much like PC last gen. Apparently, the console devs disagree and I was wrong.
wasn't aware you were forced to buy this.
people are retarded.
Whatever, I'm a pretty big sonygger, and even I think this is a pretty stupid move. I don't like it one bit, but at least I didn't buy a PS4 yet. I'll probably be first in line either way.
>>334840476
>even console devs realize that pc is the way to go
>consolefriends still in denial and won't just buy a pc
why?theres always nintendo consoles
This fucks over the 30+ million early adapters. They're not stupid enough to do this, are they?
>>334841214
>early adapters
>2013
![[Anime-Koi] Sabagebu! - 08 [h264-720p][43B3682C].mkv_snapshot_02.22_[2015.01.01_03.11.58].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bYVU2Kq.jpg "[Anime-Koi] Sabagebu! - 08 [h264-720p][43B3682C].mkv_snapshot_02.22_[2015.01.01_03.11.58].jpg")
>lol PCfats
>lol PS4fags
Why don't you just buy both and care more about games, rather than the platform?
>>334841603
>Why don't you just buy both and care more about games, rather than the platform?
yes goy, why don't you buy all and care about spending more money?
>>334834068
>implying
Building a really good PC for gaming is around 1k, a little more if you want a small form factor.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jkDxLk
This build for example is perfect for a living room PC. With wireless controllers and mouse+keyboard you will be able to play PC games in the comfort of your living room.
If you play games on your bedroom then you can save even more money by building a bigger PC.
After building your first PC all you need is to replace your components every few years so it's much less expensive on the long run compared to a console.
>>334841415
Is there a converter like this exist for North America?
>>334841214
>psfriends consider a console that might actually be able to reach 60fps a slap in the face
loving every laugh. seriously though they probably just realized that the bullshots they released for uncharted 4 wasn't even close to what they could actually achieve with the ps4 and not even sonyggers would be able to defend the downgrade.
>>334841214
Go have a read on Neogaf. It's literally ok when Sony does it. Get with the times, gramps.
>>334842103
>writing all this to an obvious bait post.
do you scour youtube comments to correct kids who say eyes can't see more than 24fps?
>>334842460
For every dumb b8post there's probably hundreds of uninformed lurkers.
I wrote that for the lurkers, so they don't fall for the console meme.
>>334841808
Game consoles aren't expensive. The only expensive one is PC, and it's bleeding edge technology so of course it's expensive.
People would be a lot happier talking about games, rather than bickering about what they can and cannot play.
>>334841214
considering at least 20million of them are idiots who went rabid with hype and would punch an old lady to grab one on release date this is pure profit at ponies expense
>>334842758
>called out for being best goy
>b-b-but game consoles aren't even expensive, what are you poor?
loose butthole from sonydick confirmed.
>>334833268
I don't really give a shit
If the rumors are true, then developers can't develop games exclusive to NEO. Which means that NEO is just an alternate version of the PS4 you can get if you want better graphics/performance. Nintendo has released alternate versions of the same handhelds for years and nobody has bitched about them, I don't see why giving more options is bad
>>334843262
>from sonydick
I own all of them, both console and handheld, as well as a PC running a high end GPU.
Because, you know, I like playing games.
>>334834068
>out of fucking nowhere incrimental upgrades are no longer a bad thing
Nice damage control sonycuck
>>334843380
>Because, you know, I like playing games.
Then why do you have a PS4 and Vita?
>>334843549
My PSVita actually has the biggest library of all of them, other than PC.
>>334843589
>PSVita
>the biggest library of all of them
uhh
>>334843285
Holy false equivalences all over the place, Batman.
>>334843285
>nobody has bitched about them
good joke
>pointing to "it's okay when nintendo does it"
literally damage controlling by saying it's okay when sony does it.
I buy consoles because my friends buy consoles and I don't make friends easily so I better do my best to stick with the ones I've got.
>>334843723
How is it a false equivalence? Like I said, if the rumors are true developers aren't allowed to develop exclusively for NEO. How is this that much different than Nintendo releasing a Game Boy SP shortly after the Game Boy Advance? In the end of the day early adopters get an inferior product
>i'm gonna bitch about something that has happened since sony's console launch.
>There's always been different SKU's.
>Later SKU's always tend to have some upgrade
>PS4 Neo is no different
>Losing your shit over nothing.
Nintendo did it all the into the NGC era and they changed it for gimmick upgrades. Wii-mote plus, and the current change to Amiiboo.
Microsoft did it as well. Yet it ain't popular with them because despite the "upgrade" nothing really changes.
Has been a standard practice for PC and mobile users for a while now.
Not saying it's wrong just saying people are are still bitching about norms literally 20 years later and it wont stop.
I buy my systems knowing perfectly well upgraded SKU will arise and I have no reason to hold off until one is released to buy it.
Now if you some dumb fuck with compulsive spending disorder, tuff titties.
>>334843973
now this is just sad
>>334843973
That sounds pretty pathetic Tbh.
>>334844085
>>334844097
You don't know the half of it
>>334843914
I'm not saying it's okay when Nintendo does it, I'm saying it makes no sense to bitch about it now when it's been happening for years and nobody complained then.
>>334844035
>>334844403
>comparing Game Boy SP to PS4
>basically saying it's ok when Sony does it
You answered your own question in your post. Also, look at >>334843914
and take a break from posting for the afternoon.
>>334844403
>I'm saying it makes no sense to bitch about it now when it's been happening for years and nobody complained then
what kind of mentality is this? literally retard logic. also a lot of people did complain but nintoddlers said it was okay when nintendo did it just like sonyggers are doing now.
>>334844035
The Gameboy SP didn't have exclusive games that could only be played on it and was just a visual upgrade to make it easier to carry. I had the same clear GBA all throughout its life cycle and never felt like I needed another one.
It's more like the New 3DS.
>>334844523
Where did I say it's bad when Nintendo did it? I told you I don't give a shit. Instead of strawmanning what I'm saying and putting words in my mouth how about you learn to read?
>>334843720
If you own a PC, the library of the consoles is pretty diminished, but they still have some good exclusives.
The 3DS is a pathetic successor to the DS, but it still has some decent games in there.
By contrast, the Vita has certain niches in a really big way and often is the only place to get hold of those titles (though a number are getting PC/PS4 ports).
>>334844697
Nigger, did you read my post? I said if the rumors are true, there are no games exclusive to NEO and developers are not allowed to develop games on NEO that can't be on the original PS4. It's just an alternate choice if you want a higher resolution.
>>334844753
>>334844910
Take a nap, stupid.
>>334844963
Cry harder, faggot.
But what about BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY?
>>334845179
It doesn't need them.
NEO will have Bloodborne 2.
>>334840052
That is why I've pretty much stopped playing modern games. I fuck around with Mario, Pac Man, and MK3 when I play on console now. And I play shit like Morrowind, CS1.6, and FTL on the pc lmao. Tired of all this "give us your SS Card if you wanna download this update" bs, and all these fucking micropayments.
>>334834439
Of those 20,000 you'll probably have interest in about 100 and only play 10. It's prevalent enough problem that people buying 200 games on Steam and playing only one or two of them is a meme.
>>334844910
>>334844910
Yeah maybe for now but that doesn't change that the incrimental upgrades have begun. You can't deny that anymore. Now that it's only a matter of time before it becomes mandatory to run certain games. Won't happen today but that's just to shut you up so they can try again tomorrow. Just like how every multiplayer based game that held up "no microtrasactions" in the marketing eventually phased them in on a following installment. They promise this shit RIGHT NOW but you're fucking delusional if you think devs are going to make two versions of every game for every Sony console for the rest of Playstation's existence.
>>334845394
>It's prevalent enough problem that people buying 100 million consoles and playing only one game is a meme
![1260710343244[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/edPhIih.jpg "1260710343244[1].jpg")
>>334845063
>>334845616
>They promise this shit RIGHT NOW but you're fucking delusional if you think devs are going to make two versions of every game for every Sony console for the rest of Playstation's existence.
It's really not that big of a deal. Devs today who makes games for PC already have to optimize for a million different builds, and devs who make games for consoles have to make different versions for different consoles. Giving them the option to make their games higher resolution isn't some crazy impossible task.
>E3 hasn't happened yet
>People are taking a rumor perpetrated by Kucktaco as fact
>>334845616
>incrimental upgrades have begun
>he never upgraded his n64 with the expansion pack
it's okay when nintendo does it though.at least it was a component upgrade that didn't force you to buy an entirely new console
>>334845848
Still haven't offered a single actual rebuttal to any of my points, all you did was cry "y-yeah well u just hate nintendo!" when I never implied that, then went "y-yeah u mad!" with a meme image to save face afterwords
Bravo
>>334833268
Newer games will still work on the old one just don't be jelly of the better graphics games are not all about graphics.
>>334845876
>Sony will never become like PC
>for proof of this look at PC
Thank you for illustrating my point
>>334845616
>devs are going to make two versions of every game
>this is a consolefriends understanding of game development
>consolefriends have neverever seen a slider or even a video options menu
embarrassing desu
>>334845794
Nigger every PS4 owner I know has 5-10 games for it.
>>334846170
No, Nintendo has just so fucking irrelevant I completely forgot all about it
>"Guys we have the most successful console of this gen what do we do?"
>"Split our fanbase by making a newer model"
There are people that buy into this?
>>334846189
>all you did was cry "y-yeah well u just hate nintendo!"
not him but nobody did that. the point was that you are pointing to nintendo and saying it's okay that they fucked over their consumers so why should we complain when sony does it.
this is your argument. please explain to me if i somehow misinterpreted this and how.
>>334846495
>nintendo64 was irrelevant
what's it like being 14?
>>334846189
see>>334846274
>>334844697
and >>334844627
Everyone's onto your retarded ass. Take a break, family.
>>334846636
>>334846274
>Sony will never become like PC
I literally never said that. Complete strawman, and even if I did say that that's false equivalence, because having to develop for a higher resolution PS4 is not equatable to having to optimize for the massive amounts of different builds on PC
>>334846636
Admitted that I was right, then implied that making a higher resolution version for a PS4 is a big deal when it isn't
>>334844627
Says absolutely nothing. Like I said before, this has been happening for years and nobody has been complaining about it. I didn't think it was a big deal when Nintendo released the SP, and so long as there are no games exclusive to PS4K, I don't think it's a big deal now
>Everyone's onto your retarded ass
Argumentum ad populum, a million flies can be attracted to shit, etc.
>>334847375
>Like I said before, this has been happening for years and nobody has been complaining about it.
>if i keep saying it they'll believe me
stop
>a million flies can be attracted to shit, etc.
>literally a metaphor for your posts being shitposts
these laughs make up for everything you've said.
>>334847375
Seriously, dude. Rethink your life
>>334847686
>if i keep saying it they'll believe me
>if i keep saying he's wrong they'll believe me
stop
>literally a metaphor for your posts being shitposts
No, I meant a literal metaphor for your shitty replies, I didn't think I would have to spoonfeed that to you but I guess I was wrong
>>334847740
Once again, another non response. If my posts trigger you so much then leave. Take a nap.
>>334848074
the other guy was right. you're beyond help. you don't even understand that you just made a metaphor calling us flies and your posts shit.
>>334848074
>no u
lawl you're done, kid
>>334848074
>a literal metaphor
laughingbitches.jpg
>>334836386
dude you can snap more in like nothing
>>334848291
No, because that would still make no sense. If everyone was agreeing with my posts then it could be misconstrued that way, but I was obviously referring to people disagreeing with me. A million flies being attracted to shit is the same as saying if a million people think a certain way, that doesn't mean it's right.
>>334848316
you've been dead this whole time, kiddo
>>334834630
Literally this I've been upgrading my PC for the past 6 years and it still runs most games well, not all at 60fps but more than 30. Consoles can barely keep a solid 30 anymore LOL DARK SOULS
>>334833268
>File name
My thoughts exactly OP
>>334848747
>he honestly doesn't understand metaphors
woooow
>A million flies
that would be the people replying
>being attracted to shit
that would be your posts
literally how will you continue to damage control this
You poor people really are deplorable.
>>334849292
>he can't read
wooooooow
>A million flies
That would be people
>being attracted to shit
Disagreeing with me
Unless you're implying that everyone has been agreeing with me the whole time? In which case it's over buddy, give up
>>334848747
>no u, again
Wooooooow
>>334849836
>Unless you're implying that everyone has been agreeing with me
exactly friend, we both think it's okay when sony does it. don't tell me you thought i was thinking ill of our nip overlords? i mean if people were okay when nintendo did it what right do we have to complain?
>>334838569
Gotta have my flops
>>334839174
Except it isn't? I had my cracked win 7 and it upgraded to genuine win 10 through the MS upgrade prompt. Did this on multiple machines too.
Why would you lie?
>>334836408
>caring about what children say when defending their latest toy
seriously stop being a faggot. Let the shit eaters eat shit and forget them
>>334851759
The key generated for your genuine version of Windows 10 indicates that the upgrade was from a non-genuine version of Windows. So far that hasn't meant anything.
>>334833268
It'll run at 30fps, anon. 30 fps. That's like 20fps more than a normal ps4 game!
When is it meant to be released? I planed on buying a PS4 in May because there are enough games out now but I might hold off and build a new PC first.
>>334833268
>with more than 4.19 TFLOPs of horsepower
What does the PS4 have?
>>334852973
>upgrade was from a non-genuine version of Windows
That is not how it works. If you are using daz loader. You are basically using volume licencing shit and it makes it appear genuine and is impossible to tell if it is or not. So when you upgrade you get a legit version of win 10 since it thought win 7 was legit.
>>334834068
>2k
Lol
I spend like 600 3 years ago, and still going strong
>>334833268
So glad I didn't buy this brick. I'll probably get Neo though for that Nier 2, Ace Combat 7 and maybe Bloodborne.
>>334837887
I always thought this argument was retarded. Your average person will already own a TV, couch and an apartment (or a house) but most people own laptops and not desktops, so they'll have to spend the extra money on a keyboard and monitor.
Who the fuck buys a TV and a couch just for a console?
ITT: People who didn't realize this would happen and are getting upset just for the sake of it
This is precisely why I didn't get a PS4 yet, even back in Sega days they did the same thing with the Master System II / Mega Drive II. The PSP got a memory upgrade too iirc.
I'm glad, I waited and will be rewarded with the superior console.
>>334853641
So glad my PS4 rented out for 3 years and now I can just trade it in and pay 300$ and get a better one.
