>Banner Saga developers say they don't intend on putting Banner Saga 2 on GoG because of piracy
>People that prefer GOG are fucked over and have to turn over to steam
>Meanwhile, pirates are able to download the game exactly one minute after it's on the Steam stores
It's not fair, bros. This is why we need services like Denuvo.
If a game has Denuvo you're still forced to use Steam though? It won't be on GOG that's for sure.
>>334830192
>MFW they'll probably get even less sales now and kicking themselves
>MFW I'm pirating Banner Saga 2
I'm so sorry, devs. I love your game and I wish I could support it, but I'm NEET poor scum.
Damn, crackers work fast. I guess they have a system for just doing a quick crack on any game on steam now?
>>334830192
Didn't pirate banner saga 1, didn't even have an interest in it. Now I'm gonna pirate it and the second one too, out of spite.
>>334830725
Spite for who?
>>334830192
jesus christ, its like they new on internet. How the fuck this is possible?
>>334830192
I actually feel bad for these devs, ill buy BS2
>>334830650
It's not that you just swap one of their older crack files in and it just works, but it's pretty simple.
>>334830192
i would rather spend my money on a bucket of chicken wings than on videogames that i can easily get FOR FREE :^)
>>334830650
I think all they do is change that one steam.ini file a bit.
The only thing lolnogog achieves is a higher chance of dipshits picking up ransomware.
>MFW Banner Saga 3 is always online
>>334830192
It will only hurt themselves though.
When they'll realize it doesn't change anything they'll rethink about their decision.
>>334831348
Nah, costs way too much to have servers for that shit.
Steam would have to implement their own easy anti-piracy system for them to go that route.
It's always possible they go with Denuvo or whatever the equivalent is at that time, though.
Has Just Cause 3 been pirated yet? What about Rise of the Tomb Raider?
I'm not a pirate or anything, just curious if Denuvo has actually been efficient enough to save games from getting pirated for almost 6 months now.
>>334831348
>MFW Banner Saga 3 requires online registration and can has a license system that makes it only work in a single computer per purchase
>>334831621
No but they're both shit game with performance issues.
Nothing worth pirating.
>>334831847
RoTR is alright
And probably the prettiest game there is
>>334831621
No. Now did this fact improves sales visibly compared to games that can and were pirated? You be the judge of that.
>>334831394
>When they'll realize it doesn't change anything
Except that they have hard data, that shows that it does change a lot. Read the screenshot again: "once we released DRM Free we saw our game get pirated like wildfire".
>>334830192
>It's not fair, bros. This is why we need services like Denuvo.
I don't understand why my filter didn't catch this. it's set to ignore case. i assume you put no width breaks in between the letters or something.
I guess I don't understand pirates and their "doesn't impact sales" thing. For one, if the devs released on steam and didn't see 2 many pirates (based on downloads or leeches or whatever), and then did release on gog, and it went up a significant amount, where sales didn't move up in proportion, why would they bother releasing on gog?
Not to mention, gog makes it easier for those people who just like to share games. It brings us back to lan parties where we passed the cd around or the flash drive with the game on it. It's under the table piracy at that point. It doesn't prove that a pirated copy = lost sale but If it brought the pirates vs owned copies up to 20% from 10%, I could see them being disheartened and saying fuck it, especially If they didn't actually need the minimal gog cash.
>>334832193
Well yeah.
But they won't release it DRM free this time, see how their sales will go.
>>334832193
So pirating has zero to do with the game and is entirely about convenience. I wonder if the person who started steam realized this....
>>334832426
Probably just fine. From the verbiage, it sounds like releasing a drm free version didn't bring a strong sale base but increased pirating volume by a lot. So why bother ? You act like there was significant amount of purchases on gog, which there wasn't, especially compared to pirated copies at that point. I'm not sure why you're arguing this with the devs who have sales #s, and you who just wants to pirate a game ?
>>334832193
They released Banner Saga 1 on Steam and on GOG at the same time, they had no information on seller loss, they only saw the disheartening number of people pirating the game.
They thought that by putting the game on Steam only, they could safely have the game not be as quickly pirated.
They were unfortunately wrong.
>>334832628
I think you're right. I think it has almost everything to do with how easy it is. With steam you've got to at least read the Readme to get it working, it's simple enough for a retard sure, but not as simple as someone handing you a flash drive with the working legal copy of the game.
>>334832690
>it sounds like releasing a drm free version didn't bring a strong sale base but increased pirating volume by a lot. So why bother?
Why get triggered by piracy when it has no effect on how much you sell?
>>334832690
>and you who just wants to pirate a game ?
I'm not even interested in Banner saga.
Watching people play it on YouTube is a lost sale too I guess.
I'm here for the DRM/pirating and sales discussion.
>>334832776
Are you sure ?? I thought It release later but I can't check on phone
>>334830650
95% of game on Steam, all you have to do is replace steam_api.dll with a cracked one.
>>334832412
>pirates vs owned copies up to 20% from 10%
FYI, it's usually more like 80% pirated, 20% legit.
>>334832905
True, I didn't play or buy either, and again I'm not saying that it is a lost sale, It just seems your arguing your point weird.
>>334832880
Because if releasing on gg = a strong correlation to piracy but not sales, maybe they decided that keeping it on steam will reduce piracy over time while still getting sales because duh, it's steam. I wouldn't be in a hurry to let pirates enjoy my game personally, for no benefit.
>>334833058
I really don't know im just making a number up. Do you really think or know it's that high? Source ?
>>334833064
>mfw its already on normiebay
>>334832913
Yep. Both released on 14th of January, 2014
>>334833064
>Because if releasing on gg = a strong correlation to piracy but not sales, maybe they decided that keeping it on steam will reduce piracy over time while still getting sales because duh, it's steam. I wouldn't be in a hurry to let pirates enjoy my game personally, for no benefit.
Except they have nothing to lose from putting it on GoG and Steam at the same time. Literally no money lost from doing so.
They're just butthurted fags who think piracy = lost sales and should stop making games forever. I hope they quit.
>pirated banner saga, didn't bother to play it
>ended up getting it through a humble bundle or steam sale or something, can't even remember
>still haven't played it
>>334833252
I wonder how the devs draw the conclusion to gog being the cause then?
>>334833221
Yes, but If it's more than hit an Exe and it works, it will turn retards off. Drm legal copy that just works is easier for normiez
>>334830725
Same. I'm even gonna pirate the second game twice. That way they will lose an additional sale.
What's wrong with steam?
>>334833261
I don't think it is that. I think you could easily draw a correlation between a drm free version being shared / "pirated" among friends and people not purchasing as many games. Ie, I'm more likely to purchase a game on sale I haven't played than I am one I have played, in the case of a friend sharing the game with me, assuming I was a normie who didn't pirate it
I mean okay, sure, but will my GOG save file work in the Steam copy?
>>334833406
Nothing but that's not really the point of the discussion. >>334833395
Itd be cool if we could discuss without rampant shit posting.
>>334833532
pirates buy more media than everyone else.
>>334833064
>I wouldn't be in a hurry to let pirates enjoy my game personally, for no benefit.
Then they shouldn't make video games. Pirates don't give a fuck about the game. They're trying it because its free.
If you're in it to make money, you fucked up. Join a major studio if that's your goal.
>>334833358
nigga my grandma can change one exe file
>>334831621
When Deus Ex Mankind Divided comes out, I think that's when people will turn on Denuvo.
Grabbed it for half off at CDKeys, though. If Denuvo causes performance issues, I swear to God.
>>334833532
To speak to this more I do mean in single player games specifically. Ie, if I borrow a single player game and beat it, I'm probably not going to buy it. Different story for a game I'd like to try or did try that's multiplayer with more content, and not just a singular story, like I assume banner Saga is
>>334833682
Sure, anyone can. But don't fool yourself into thinking the average Internet user isn't a gigantic fucking retard.
>>334833640
Is there proof to this? I've never purchased a song before and I've downloaded hundreds.
I think any game I've pirated ive never purchased either, actually.
>>334833621
>It'd be cool if we could discuss without rampant shit posting.
You can do that, the internet is fucking huge and it isn't just this board.
>>334833358
>I wonder how the devs draw the conclusion to gog being the cause then?
They probably just drew the conclusion that, because GOG is DRM free and Steam isn't, the leak must have come from GOG and would take a longer time if it was on Steam only.
They didn't do a very good job researching how easy piracy on Steam is, but I still feel bad for the guys.
>>334830192
The devs are naive. Unless you're enforcing always online DRM, any copy protection will get cracked whether you release the game on GoG or Steam. Buying a game has become a gesture of goodwill these days
>>334833670
Plenty of small studios have made money on novel ideas, and if you're just a habit person, you still need enough sales to work on your next passion.
Again, not necessarily saying pirate = lost sale still, but I do think among friends that sharing games can = a lost sale more often.
Let's just not make any video games ever again because piracy.
>>334833726
>If Denuvo causes performance issues, I swear to God.
Any poor sales or performance issues will be chalked up to the game being shit, as it always has in every single case. But yeah I fully expect it to have SOME crippling issues of some sort.
I think its a dumb move on their part.
But I do hope they get more sales anyways.
>>334832913
Did a quick search for few stories that I remember:
> Punch Club has sold 330,000 units, but it's been pirated 1.6 million times
http://www.pcgamer.com/punch-club-has-sold-330000-units-but-its-been-pirated-16-million-times/
> World of Goo piracy rate near 90 percent
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90/
> Ubisoft CEO claims 93-95% piracy rate on their PC products
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/22/ubisoft-ceo-claims-93-95-piracy-rate-on-their-pc-products/
> Demigod: 18,000 Customers, 100,000 Pirates
http://kotaku.com/5215528/demigod-18000-customers-100000-pirates-update
>>334833981
Was the posted versions on pirate bay and other normies torrent sites gog versions maybe ??
>>334834117
That's always sad to see, it's hard to defend it as a pirate, and hard to defend that piracy = a game will do bad or good depending on how it's received by pirates.
I actually liked demi god too
>>334834117 was meant for >>334833147
>>334834281
I gotcha. I'm curious what the banner saga numbers are like. If I remember correctly I decided not to buy it due to devs being sjws, or some shit , many years ago anyways. So it doesn't really matter to me anyways
>>334834147
Probably. All you have to do is upload the GOG installer, no need for any cracking. With that said, cracking is such an easy job nowadays (unless you're always online or use denuvo) that the difference is negligible
>>334834117
How do they even come up with the pirate numbers?
>>334834117
>Ubisoft CEO claims 93-95% piracy rate on their PC products
So I guess most of their games should be selling around 200-400 million copies then?
>>334833918
>Is there proof to this
plenty
https://torrentfreak.com/0-more-on-content-than-honest-consumers-130510/
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/00590921141/dear-riaa-pirates-buy-more-full-stop-deal-with-it.shtml
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/music-pirates-study_n_2526417.html
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/04/study-pirates-buy-tons-more-music-than-average-folks/
http://www.webpronews.com/pirates-more-likely-to-pay-for-digital-and-physical-media-than-non-pirates-2012-10/
http://www.cnet.com/news/riaa-condemns-research-that-shines-positive-light-on-pirates/
http://www.dailytech.com/Nearly+Half+of+Americans+Pirate+Casually+But+Pirates+Purchase+More+Legal+Content/article29702.htm
http://mumbrella.com.au/pirates-buy-more-content-than-those-who-play-by-the-rules-claims-choice-study-266802
not to mention that JC3 and that new tomb raider game haven't sold hardly anything despite being uncracked.
http://steamspy.com/app/225540
>Owners: 568,899 ± 17,813
Dark Souls 3 sold more than 500,000 copies in its first week. The last time I checked this game was in December and it was at 400k.
http://steamspy.com/app/391220
>Owners: 680,072 ± 19,472
This one is selling a lot better than JC3, but then again so did the other one that didn't have Denuvo.
https://steamspy.com/app/203160
>Owners: 4,035,026 ± 47,164
>>334834415
Good stuff, I'll read through this later.
>>334834386
Some games have 'call-home' functions built in.
So the illegitmate copy will communicate to a server that it's being played/run.
Unity does this.
>>334834386
They make numbers up. It's impossible to tell how many people pirated a game.
>>334834386
Go to the most popular torrent sites and looks at how many leechers and seeders there are on your game.
>>334833726
Denuvo is not really confirmed.
It's as much confirmed as Dark Souls III was.
>>334834701
most people block the game in their firewalls, and any game that has a call home function could easily disable the pirated copy.
what they actually do is just take the downloads from the torrent and calculate the piracy rate based on (torrent downloads)/(torrent downloads + purchased copies) * 100
>>334834414
???
>>334834701
And that only accounts for the ones that pirate and play with an internet connection on. Just imagine the gorrillion of pirates that don't have their internet on, the piracy rates would be over 100%. There wouldn't be a bought game in the world at this rate.
These numbers are absolute and utter bullshit coming straight out of their ass. There isn't a way to gouge piracy rates as a %.
Especially Ubisoft with their 99.9% piracy rate with 1 guy buying their games and that's it.
Alette or Rook?
>>334830192
fuck off retard
also, DRM have no excuses.
>>334834117
Almost all of these are bullshit
there is no reliable way of knowing how many pirates there are, the best you can do is guess how many times something's been downloaded
>>334835068
A lot of Ubisoft games sell around 3-10 million copies. If 95% of their consumers pirated their game they would sell hundreds of millions of copies if people stopped pirating. If you don't see how retarded that statement is you need to kill yourself right now.
>>334835236
I misunderstood since it wasn't really clear from your comment that you meant the amount of sales if their games weren't pirated.
>>334835365
Oh I figured that was obvious with their retarded statement.
>>334830192
That logic makes no sense
Unless it has Denuvo it will inevitably be pirated, you might as well give it to GOG to expand distribution to people who are against DRM
>>334835509
>you might as well give it to GOG to expand distribution to people who are against DRM
OR you can antagonize that segment of your demographic and make sure the game sells better and isn't pirated because it being on Steam means it won't get pirated within the first fucking minute it launches.
I legitimately would love to be in a meeting with these people when they decide things like these and what the arguments are.
>>334835765
>because it being on Steam means it won't get pirated within the first fucking minute it launches
consolefag or retard?
>>334835073
>>334835034
What. You two are GROSSLY overestimating the average pirate's ability/caring about being online.
This isn't some guess work bullshit. They literally have the numbers from Unity calling home.
http://tinybuild.com/punch-club-has-been-pirated-over-1-million-times
Most pirates are fucking HUEHUE's, Russians or Asians.
>>334835964
You seriously couldn't smell the sarcasm you fucking moron
>>334834386
randometer
whats the logic with not releasing game in gog when steam version is cracked in 24h anyway?
>>334835475
It was pretty obvious, hes just a fucking idiot
>>334836312
Obviously no more pirates. Not releasing on GoG means there's no instant no-DRM version flying around. Only releasing it on steam means there's only the no-DRM cracked version available.
By pirating their game all you are doing is proving them right and ensuring they will pile on more DRM in their next release
>>334835765
>because it being on Steam means it won't get pirated within the first fucking minute it launches.
Maybe you're being sarcastic, but in case you aren't: This game was pirated by codex literally one minute after it was out on the shop.
>>334836563
Actually you're the retard for thinking 1 pirate = 1 lost sale.
Ubisoft doesn't say that the 95% piracy rate means they should actually sell all of those pirated copies.
>>334837035
They're the ones shooting themselves in the foot.
They'll waste money on shitty DRM that get bypassed.
>>334837035
Oh I hope so. Pile on so much DRM that you can't even see the sales anymore.
>create game
>the moment it comes out also upload a DRM free copy to torrent sites
>in the install say that you hope they like the game, and give a link to where to buy it legally if they decide they want to support the devs
>perhaps have a single extra button below load game on the menu called support the devs which links to a donation page
Guaranteed to get more money than just letting some Russians somewhere crack and upload it for you. Pirates are going to pirate, you either take advantage of it, or you do not.
I do not know why so many devs are so damn retarded.
>>334837891
>.webm
I really don't know what i was expecting
>>334837891
Why would you fucking
>>334837891
black person detected
>>334837891
rude
>>334837891
Rich Chinese man tricks people into giving them their puppies to feed them to his half a million dollar snake.
Fucking rich people.
>>334837891
He's right, though. Ubisoft has never said that 95% piracy rate means 95% lost sales.
>>334839260
Nope, but they're claiming that AC 1 which sold 93 million copies should've had around 2 billion players. That means that around 28% of earths citizen should've played AC 1. InternetWorldStats claims that around 34,3% should've have access to a computer in 2012. You make the math if Ubisoft spokeperson isn't THE most retarded person that has lived, will live and does live.
>>334830892
They fell for the "Every download is a lost sale" meme.
>>334832412
If you just look at the big scary number, you don't see the reason behind it.
When you look at where all the illegal downloads are coming from...
The overwhelming majority of game Piracy takes place in countries like China where the game isn't legally available (or is preposterously expensive) in the first place. They download the game or buy it cheap from a bootlegger, no intent nor means to get it legally. This massive group is the primary reason why piracy rates appear so overblown.
The next lot of pirates on home turf is a fraction of the size of the foreigners, but it's not to say there aren't a lot of them too - Little Jimmy and NEET Nate and Cheap Chuck and "Try Before Buy" Terry Bogard who would not buy the game either. If they couldn't pirate it, they'd just ignore it.
There are scant few people who would just buy the game if they couldn't pirate it.
If pirated games from those who had zero intent of buying were lost sales, then simply not buying the game is a "lost sale". If that were the case, then those lost sales are on the developers for not putting the game on GOG and getting the sales of DRM-free grognards. There's no faulting them for wanting to protect their product, but it's very doubtful that they're going to see any positive change in the numbers by making it Steam only.
Did they fix the shitty battle mechanics?
Game was pretty awesome aside from the whole, "You have to leave every enemy at 1 HP"
>>334840642
You don't have to though.
GOG devs are SJW cucks anyway.
Daily reminder that they told IFI to fuck off with Monster Monpiece because the game "promoted pedophilia".
>>334840707
You have to on certain missions, yes.
>>334840743
Well pedophilia is bad, anon.
>>334830650
>Damn, crackers work fast.
White people tend to be like that
>>334835765
>I legitimately would love to be in a meeting with these people when they decide things like these
yeah I bet they had a meeting for an off-handed Steam forum post that said "we currently have no plans"
jesus christ
>>334830192
>"banner saga get pirated like wildfire"
>two seeds and 10 leechers
>All those white space
>>334830192
Or you can just make a game people want to give you money for.
I buy as much shit as I pirate, and the distinction between the two comes down to whether I feel like it's a case of jews trying to squeeze money out of me.
>>334841002
>anime is pedophilia
Stop shitposting.
>>334830192
This is hilarious because all the pirated vers were cracks of the steam ver. Only a few websites just distro gog installers
>>334840283
>AC 1 sold 93 million copies
Are you really this stupid?
>>334830192
>having the game on steam will stop piracy
Yeah okay
>>334834117
I bought DemiGod. It was great. The main problem, which has followed to Assfaggots, is the lack of actual models to show which weapon you have equipped.
>>334830192
Are these devs literally retarded? Do they really think not having it on gog helps? The only thing that would help them is Denuvo and they can't afford that.
>>334843145
That statement isn't what they said. They said it promoted pedophilia, not that it was. Which is true. Did you know putting people who smoke in films raises the rating? Or TV won't allow people to smoke until the watershed? Same shit, but for "promoting smoking".
The game is on Steam, uncensored, so go to them.
>>334830192
>>334830192
Or it could be that nobody gave a flying fuck about either of their Entries.
I sure as fuck didn't
>waah pirates.
Fuck off.
>>334845718
GoG makes it 100% effortless to pirate anything
makes sense to hold off on GoG for at least 6-12 months to get what sales you can, instead of pointlessly enabling piracy
>>334846023
Did you look at the pic? Anyone who wants to pirate the game can do it on day 1. The crack groups crack the Steam version even if there is a GOG version. It makes almost no difference to just offer a GOG ver.
>>334837334
Actually all of you are idiots for even caring what Ubisoft says.
>>334842306
underrated post
>>334834386
a lot of torrent sites tell you how many downloads a file has along with number of seeders and leechers.
Only pirate GOG games. Mounting images, copying cracks and adding antivirus exceptions is a pain
>>334837496
Didn't a dev actually do that and then made a ton of money?
