What games have gay characters used in natural and subtle ways /v/ has no problem with?
Bill from TLoU.
Fallout new vegas.
Chou Aniki
>gay
>natural
LOL!
Revolver Ocelot (Revolver Ocelot)
That game I like has good gay characters
That game I don't like has bad gay characters
>>334826243
Here we go!
Saga frontier
How does it feel to know that the majority of the planet utterly loathes you degenerates and this wont ever change?
Nights of Azure
>>334826161
Dark Souls 1.
>this game is good because it subversively tries to convince people that degenerates aren't degenerate
>>334826234
Nobody on here likes tlou
>>334826578
The majority of people on the planet are various degrees of niggers in various nigger degree countries so who cares
Mortal kombat x.
Kung lao's cousing is a faggot but I they never shove it down your face. They did made a few funny references to it like kung lqo telling tanya she's barking at the wrong tree
If we can discuss a movie, I really liked Silva from Skyfall. His character was defined by his hatred for MI:6 and his failed suicide, not by his sexuality. And the only time it came up was when he extended the offer to Bond, but was refused.
The fact that it came up at all and was handled that deftly is exactly how this stuff should be. Characters whose identity is entirely defined by their sexuality end up being caricatures of actual people, in the same way that most Tumblrites are caricatures of the people they could be.
Identity politics will die at some point. It's just going to get worse before it gets better.
>>334826371
You feel it too don't you?
>>334826161
>/v/ has no problem with
none of them
Solaire from Dark Souls
>>334826161
SMT Nocturne.
>>334826824
Yeah, but not because of Bill
/v/'s been infested by contrarian 14 year old faggots who are just now becoming aware of politics and think they're being groundbreaking and edgy by supporting hardline conservative politics. Even if you bring up a case where /v/'s unanimously agreed it was done well in the past, they're going to disagree and call you a gay nigger lover for liking gay niggers.
>>334828416
>there hasn't always been a steady migration from /b/ to /v/
Quit being so triggered by children, everything is fine.
>>334826161
The Longest Journey. Can't get more subtle than that.
The ones where you don't know they're gay.
>>334826161
what's wrong with having a problem with the mentally ill?
>>334828416
>children are conservative because they don't know any better
You misspelled "liberal", you dense faggot.
>>334829067
But if you don't know, how can they push it in your face?
>>334828416
Lol no kids think they're groundbreaking and edgy by being liberals until they grow up into respectable free thinking adults and become conservative.
>>334826161
Witcher 3.I felt bad for the guy
Nier
FFXIII
>>334828416
There's nothing wrong with being a conservative and while people who follow the crowd ''just cuz'' are annoying, it's really nothing terrible. Especially with children.
Who honestly takes them seriously if they can't put up a proper argument or give any sorts of reasoning? Don't let it trigger you.
Persona
>>334826578
>>334826837
Both of these facts are correct, and neither contradicts the other.
The only gay character from a video game I actually bother remembering is Steve Cortez from Mass Effect 3.
Him being gay was only a footbote to him mourning a loved one.
>>334829285
>>334829154
Like clockwork. Is this how you rebel against your parents nowadays?
>>334829154
>>334829285
Liberals and Conservatives are two sides of the same retarded coin.
>>334826161
pisha in vtmb
Any Japanese game.
>>334826161
final fantasy 13
witcher 3
>>334826161
>gay
>subtle
The #1 trait of fags is that they can't keep it in their pants for 15 minutes.
>>334829696
Yeah because 14 year olds are known for their staunch conservatism.
Fucking retard.
>>334826161
Gay people are disgusting and are inherently problematic. They should no be accepted as "no problem" we should be trying to cure them.
I say this as a liberal.
>>334826161
none
put dykes on pikes
faggotry is deathwitcher 3
What I wanna know is how come /v/ is simulatenously the most homophibic, AND the most homosexual of all the games discussion sites?
You lads seem to really enjoy your tranny / trap / shota / fuccboi / dickgirl / futanari / steam friends / whatever it is you call them.
And yet, in this thread, you don't like the homos.
It is odd.
>>334830270
>kicking a man while he's down
Looks like you're the only faggot here
These two.
Also, Sybil.
>>334826956
Not to mention Liu Kang being homophobe.
>>334830309
/v/ gets more than a million unique ip's per month. Literally any possible opinion can be found here.
>>334830515
Then where's my pornography of Warcraft gnomes?
>>334826437
Generally true, because gay characters we don't like are the poorly written ones, and if the characters are poorly written, it's likely that the rest of the game is bad too.
>>334830456
Liu Kang is a Shaolin and buddhism is homophobic as fuck. I mean real buddhism and not new age buddhism
>>334830309
It's almost as if /v/ is made up of lots of people with vastly different backgrounds and ideas about social and political issue. Shocking.
Revolver Ocelot (Revolver Ocelot)
>>334830652
You haven't lurk enough, I've seen porn of all kind of warcraft characters, including and not limited to Illidan with maiev or Illidan with arthas
Sorey and Mikleo
>>334830515
>/v/ gets more than a million unique ip's per month
>Source: My ass
>>334830309
I don't enjoy those things and I really fucking trapfags since forever.
Although, I'm indifferent about gay shits since it does not affect my life.
>>334831079
>I really fucking trapfags since forever.
Shit, I'm jealous.
>>334826161
Emile from Nier
Quads
>>334826824
People who actually played it usually do.
>>334830802
>Kung Jin "You've never accepted me"
>Liu Kang "I am aware of your proclivities"
>Jin "wow thanks for the reassurance"
I just found it really funny the first time i understood the implications behind it.
>>334831126
Fuck, I meant hate.
Well, whatever.
>>334831079
>Fucking traps since forever
Are you that bald guy Christian who recruits traps from /b/ and fucks them on camera?
>>334828416
MOU IKKAI!
>>334829154
When was the last time you killed a teenager in a video game and they called you a problematic shitlord?
When was the last time you did it and they called you a faggot that sucks cock?
Nier and Drakengard
Nights of Azure, sorta
>>334832189
>trying this hard to deny the basic and well-known fact that liberalism is babby's first political stance
Don't worry you'll grow out of it one day.
>>334832956
Back to /pol/, kid
>>334826161
>>334826736
People get buttflustered about "degeneracy" if a guy wants to fuck another dude, but not if they're a serial killer, rapist, anarchist, deformed sub-human, etc.
>>334826161
Earthbound
>>334830309
Turns out we're not the anti-human rights boogeyman your blogs told you we were, we're a bunch of fucking faggots with a bunch of fucking faggot opinions that we can't stop vomiting out during discussions about videogames
>>334830309
>most homophibic
That's either done ironically, or by the same vocal minority.
Unless you're a total retard who thinks that calling someone a fag because he's a douche is homophobia
>>334826161
Wanting "subtle" gay characters, is proof that our culture still needs to grow up.
When Mario goes to save the Princess. There is no question of the romantic intent behind it.
But if Mario goes to save a *Prince*, suddenly that's considered "shoving in our faces" and "forced".
>>334833848
It's never implied that Mario is in love with Peach, he just does it to protect the kingdom of political instability
Witcher 1, 2 and 3.
1: Lesbian nurses
2. Phillipa and Dethmold
3. Phillipa and hunterfaggot (plus the doppler wannabie who fucked everything)
Bioware just fucks all their shit up, but I heard Not!FreddieMercury was the best one they did simply because it isn't at all like they advertised him. "FIRST FULLY GAY CHARACTER :^)" and being gay is only part of his character.
Still bad though. A character should be a character and their sexuality should either come up via snooping or accident. Witcher 2 did it right. You don't find out Phillipa loves clams unless you go Iorveths route. You don't find out Dethmold has sex with male slaves unless you go Roche's route.
>>334833848
That's pretty effective, anon. I'd just say that it's too thinly veiled.
I'm particularly impressed by your switching between asterisks and quotation marks for no reason.
>>334826824
I do, probably my favourite game of 2013
Pretty fun campaign, replayed it in survivor for more fun (grounded mode came out as dlc, couldn't be bothered)
Also had a great multiplayer, it had a slow and methodical pace and the real time crafting added a lot of strategy with the lock boxes that spawned. Seriously one of my favourite multiplayer modes ever
>>334828416
At least you were on topic with posting good gay (at least bi) characters.
Rin x Saber a best. BEST. B E S T.
>>334833848
No one gives the slightest fuck about Mario's story m8, that's not the kind of shit we complain about
In a game where story matters, a character who is defined by wanting to suck dicks is a shit character. A character who has other motives and personality traits is not only a better character overall, but a much better representative of whatever type of queer they are because they're not a fucking stereotypical caricature that harms their public image so much in the first place.
It's the difference between that guy you know who happens to e gay and the faggot waving around the two foot dildo in the pride parade.
Are IRL lesbians just closet heterosexuals?
Think about it.
>real lesbians are usually butch as fuck
>hard to distinguish between them and lift erryday fratboys
>they're attracted to, what seemingly is, the male physique
>>334830309
All homophobia on /v/ comes from:
>trolls
>vocal minority of /pol/tards
>even smaller vocal minority of /pol/tards who don't go to /pol/
Literally 100% of it.
>>334826371
He wasn't actually gay
He just admired big boss as a soldier
>>334834576
No. Most IRL dykes don't actually look like dykes.
>>334833704
Do you believe that being able to fart out a complete turd of a game, charge $20 for it, sell $30 worth of DLC for it, and have at least 10,000 people pay for it, is a basic human right? :^)
>>334834251
Asterisks is for emphasis. In some texts, it creates bold letters. It's a way to emphasize without ALL CAPPING.
I was being genuine.
>>334834379
let me give you another example: Zelos from Tales of Symphonia. All he does is talk about how beautiful women are, and how he wants to be with them. That's his shtick. But imagine if he was gay. And all he talked about is how beautiful men are, and how he wants to be with men. You would say it's a poorly written stereotype of a flaming homo. But because he's about crushing pussy, then somehow that's OK.
Or take Brock from Pokemon. Or that Monk character from Inuyahsa.
Chris Redfield and Albert Wesker
>>334834576
No. Most of the gay people you've met, you've never noticed because they're not so boring they have to mold their identity around their sexuality.
>>334826161
Zevran is bisexual in Dragon Age Origins but you had to actively flirt with him first before he actually went homo.
Sharp contrast to Dragon Age 2 and 3 obviously.
>>334835139
Wesker a shit
Chris and Piers otp
Dark Souls 1 has Solaire
Dark Souls 3 hasAnri being pretty fucking gay for Horace if he's male in your game.
>>334828152
Nice meme
>>334835084
What if Zelos was female and she constantly lusted after men, would you have a problem with that?
>>334835139
Wrong Redfield.
>>334834576
Lesbians are not actually that butch.
They're the most overweight of all sex/sexuality combos.
>>334835628
I don't get why you're asking. But the answer is no. I wouldn't have a problem with that per se.
>>334835084
But the man always lusting after women is a type of character so annoying that only the japs haven't got tired of it yet. Whether it'd be about a straight man or a homo, it's equally lazy and mediocre
>>334826161
Just give me game where the gay never scream 'I AM GAAAAY! AND THEY DICRIMINATE ME!' 5 minutes into the game
>>334835739
Should I finish this game? Dropped at the last chapter but I found Barry to be the only redeemable thing about that game since they ruined best girl
>>334835854
Was just wondering if you had a double standard or not.
>>334835956
which game does that?
>>334835956
Name 3 games that do that.
>>334834851
What?
>>334835956
Earthbound
>>334835084
Zelos is a shit character though
>>334835927
>>334836329
That type of character can be good. There's always new ways of spinning it.
Point is: No one looks at that character and says
>they're too overtly heterosexual. I wish their heterosexuality wasn't their entire character. They really need to be more subtle about the heterosexuality
>>334835974
Still not sure what you were angling for. But ok.
>>334826161
>lesbians
>wearing white dresses
That's kind of ironic.
>>334826161
None. /v/ will always complain about something.
>>334836561
how?
>>334826161
Ballad of gay tony
>>334836390
The precise point of why the character is annoying is because is too overtly sexual, whether it's heterosexuality or homosexuality. It can be done well, like with Drakengard 3 because of the moral depravity of the characters, but most of the time it's plain boring.
So yes, there will be plenty of people thinking
>they're too overtly sexual. I wish their sexuality wasn't their entire character. They really need to be more subtle about the sexuality
>>334836689
The white dress is supposed to symbolize the bride's purity.
>>334835963
I don't know. I only played the first chapter because it's free. I liked it well enough, but I haven't been able to buy the whole thing. Raid mode is addicting, once you get into it.
>>334836861
I don't get it, do you think lesbian's don't use dildos or something?
>>334836390
Probably because hetrosexuality is the norm. He's still not a complex character, and if I felt like heterosexuality needed to be represented, he is not who I'd choose to do it.
Hell, I'd probably be a little pissed. Oh, sure, the heterosexual
man can't stop thinking about his dick. Nice stereotype, assholes.
>>334835854
>>334835974
>>334836390
Because I find this discussion interesting, I want to elaborate a little further...
Unless you thought that Zelos lusting after men was also a bad archetype, I just wanted to establish that it would be a double standard to have a problem with the other 3 possibilities of male X female, female X male, or even female X female but not have a problem with male X male.
As far as Zelos lusting after men as much as he does women though, I think there would be ways of doing it without making him seem like a cock-crazed flaming faggot.
>>334829619
If you talk to him more than once he talks about your dick constantly.
>>334836861
That's completely wrong
A bride's dress is actually a bridesmaid dress. You fucking idiot. Brides had shitty dresses. I won't tell you why. Look it up.
>>334836807
I dunno, I thought Five was annoying as shit. Her entire character is 100% about sex, unless you buy her DLC, in which case it's 99% about sex and 1% about food. Complete shit character.
Zero is much better and still very promiscuous though
>>334836807
Except when people complain about gay characters being overbearing, they are rarely talking about the characters being too sexual. Rather, they're talking about the gay characters constantly referring to the identity of a gay person.
Also, women can get away with being overtly sexual more often than men. And especially gay men. If you call Bayonetta too sexual, then you're labelled as a SJW. But if you call Zelos too sexual, then you can assume the higher artistic merit. Even though Zelos is as innocent as a baby duckling next to Bayonetta
>>334837219
Yes the game gathers example of good and bad sexual characters
>>334826736
>implying douglas pearce is a degenerate
>>334826364
This. I have no problem with gay characters (as long as they aren't forced to push agendas like in modern western games) but telling me that it's natural is bullshit.
Fallout NV
Mortal Kombat X
Dark Souls 1
GTA IV:tbogt
>>334837216
Nothing you said makes sense.
>>334834648
did he, really?
>>334837451
For the sake of playing Devil's Advocate, define "natural".
>>334837451
but it appears in nature a whole lot
>>334826161
subtle gay characters are unrealistic
>>334837073
My position on whether or not Zelos's character is good or bad ultimately doesn't matter. The focus here, isn't what I think about the archetype. But how others receive it. And what others say about it.
The way it's received, is different than how it would be received if he was gay.
With straight Zelos, no one talks about him being too hetero.
But with hypothetical gay Zelos, people would talk about him being too homo.
>>334830309
Normal people believe gay/tranny shit is disgusting, but are above persecuting homos just for being homo. If you're a shit person or flaunting your gay ass everywhere then the problem comes up.
/v/ has this too, so it's relevant.
>>334837668
>I have never known a gay person (that I know of)
>>334837668
How would you know?
You only notice the not so subtle ones in real life.
>>334837273
When people complain about gay characters, it's always about sexuality, since this is what literally defines gay characters. Gay characters who are not overtly sexual are considered good gay characters
>>334837717
Because hetero is the norm.
People -do- complain about him being a manslut.
>>334837052
>He's still not a complex character
He is though. a degree more than what i initially gave him credit for. Sure, he's a massive philanderer. But there's more to him than that.
>and if I felt like heterosexuality needed to be represented, he is not who I'd choose to do it.
Why not? men like Zelos exist in real life. Both straight and gay.
Besides, I can't think of any games where a gay character acts like Zelos.
>>334837614
You are fucking retarded. Is all. People believed that the devil would come and get the prettiest woman at a marriage[probably the bride] that's why you even have bridesmaids. They had pretty dresses and there were multiple ones. The bride had an ugly dress to finish the ceremony before the devil appears. They changed it later.
>>334826161
The problem is, gay men/women usually do act slightly different than straight men/women. I actually find it stupid when a game basically portrays them exactly as straight people except they happen to be gay. It would be like making every black person act like Barack Obama.
Ballad of Gay Tony did it right. The characters are gay, noticeably gay, but still treated like normal people with flaws and all.
I'm liberal as fuck and I think overly sexual gay characters are awful
It's like having a big-lipped, watermelon-eating black guy in your game walking around saying "Yes massuh" and going "Wow! I'm so glad they included a black character! This is a victory for diversity!"
>>334832956
>I conflate du jour politics with my own observational biases!
>Because when I was a teen, liberal politics was the "in" thing, it has most assuredly remained this way in the following decades!
>I can't see past my own ass!
>>334838085
Not a single true fact here
>>334826578
the majority of the planet also eat dogs.
>>334838338>>334837614
>nuh uh
Nice arguments.
the only way to make a good character is to not flanderize it through that characteristic alone. It then becomes solely a parody of gays rather than a complex being.
>>334838338
Why are there bridesmaids then? enlighten me.
>>334837897
No. People interpret normal expression of one's sexual interest as being too much, when it's gay related. A hetero character can say the same lines as a gay, without notice.
I've watched people literally complain about a gay character merely referring to their partner. Because for their tastes, she mentioned them too many times.
Meanwhile, with straight relationships, you can mention you girlfriend/boyfriend a thousand times, and no one bats an eye.
>>334838543
>flanderize
Back to tvtropes with you. Flanders has changed the least in the Simpsons.
>>334838035
The fact that they exist doesn't make them a good character. And no, rarely are actual people that one-dimensional. I know plenty of mansluts, but none that have to literally make a pass at every single woman they meet including children or who have harems following them around.
>>334838582
Someone mentioning their partner constantly is extremely annoying, no matter the sexual preference
>>334837717
>My position on whether or not Zelos's character is good or bad ultimately doesn't matter. The focus here, isn't what I think about the archetype. But how others receive it. And what others say about it.
It WOULD matter if you did admit to having a double standard, hence why I asked in the first place.
>The way it's received, is different than how it would be received if he was gay.
>With straight Zelos, no one talks about him being too hetero.
>But with hypothetical gay Zelos, people would talk about him being too homo.
I think you need to refer back to what >>334834379 said, and also Zelos is hardly beyond reproach for his man-slut qualities like you seem to think he is.
I am also not convinced that Zelos would be received particularly worse if he lusted after men as long as it wasn't done poorly, i.e not like Anders from Dragon Age 2 or other bad gay characters.
>>334837917
>Because hetero is the norm.
Because hetero is the norm, what? I'm not following.
>People -do- complain about him being a manslut.
Some people do, sure. But no one says he should be less of a hetero because he's a slut. If he was gay though, then people would say he should be less of a homo because he's a slut.
>>334830515
Except people who like video games
>>334826161
me on the left
There is a problem with gay characters in videogames. Also in television and film, but not quite as bad.
People will often claim to have absolutely no problem whatsoever with gay people. They say this to make sure that they cannot be called a homophobe or be criticised in any way when they make their next point.
Then they basically say they don't want gay characters in their games.
Then the excuses come out.
>it's not important
So why does it bother you?
>I don't care about any of the relationships in my games, I just want games!
A little autistic, but okay. I can agree with that, games should be games. However, if a story-driven game like an RPG has a gay character in it, why does that irk you?
>it's just pandering to the LGBT crowd
This isn't fair. You can always just call it pandering and keep gay characters out of fiction forever that way. You can't tell me you don't have a problem with homosexuals if you want to pretend they don't exist.
>I'm okay with gay characters as long as it never gets mentioned
Well then you're not REALLY okay with gay characters, are you?
>the gay characters are always written really badly!
That's the secret, Anon.All videogame characters are written badly.
If your cocky male teammate jokes about having slept with 5 women the night before, you wouldn't think twice. If your cocky male teammate jokes about having slept with 5 men the night before, you're irked by that. Why?
>>334838565
Because americans are idiots
In my country we don't do bridesmaids, and we are also a chirstian country
>>334826161
Neptunia games, everyone is a lesbian
Is Ike the greatest LGBT character of all time?
>>334826161
Ace Attorney 5.
>>334838669
Changed the least since his first drastic change maybe. He was a pretty normal neighbor for the first season. Originally a contrast to the apparent dysfunction of the Simpsons. He was the model family man. The Simpson's Graham Chapman to their John Cleese. He quickly devolved into a Christian caricature and has remained as such since.
>>334838886
Thing is, homosexual characters only defining trait is that they're homosexual and that it feels shoehorned so that the SJW quota would be met.
>>334826161
>ctrl f
>no Killer 7
I know this is an epx b8 thread but cmon.
In WoW there's a jewelcrafting daily NPC from Cata who happens to be gay. You only catch it in one of her random quest texts, she'll ask you to go get a gem so she can impress a female ship captain.
>>334838886
>That's the secret, Anon. All videogame characters are written badly.
That's the sort of bullshit argument that sites like Kucktaku made about objectivity in journalism so they might as well not even bother trying to be objective.
>>334839164
Then explain Undertale
>>334833392
Yeah man. Being gay is LITERALLY the most evil thing you can do, along with smoking cigarretes, cussing, and being a white male
>>334839164
That's fucking retarded. You're saying that if characters are homosexual they have no other traits?
>>334839369
>caring about shit games
>>334838672
>The fact that they exist doesn't make them a good character.
If whether Zelos should be gay or not hinges on how well the manslut archetype is written, then that says something about our culture.
So because you think the manslut is a bad archetype, then he should be straight? Am i understanding that correctly?
>rarely are actual people that one-dimensional.
Rare isn't never. And again, there is more dimension to Zelos than just chasing women.
And his character was intentionally exaggerated. They weren't trying to be realistic.
>>334838794
They don't say he should be less of a hetero, but less sexual, which is exactly the same thing.
>>334838720
Then why is it when a straight person does it, the blame doesn't fall on heterosexuality. But when a gay person does it, the blame falls on homosexuality.
>>334834648
Hey, whatever makes you sleep at night I guess
>>334839472
He's got a point. Undertale is shit, but the characters have a lot more to them than being gay.
>eurgh I can't believe these games are forcing sexuality on me. I don't want to know if the character is gay or not, just keep it out of my face.
>Fuck yeah based Duke Nukem! Shake it baby!
>Fucking based Kratos banging all those women!
>>334839610
Because the blame doesn't fall on heterosexuality, it falls on just sexuality.
Same thing with gay characters who do that shit, and if you're not convinced then give me an example of a gay character who does NOT do that and is generally disliked just for being gay.
>>334838794
Because "hetero" is not a quality any more than "parents were not killed in a horrible boating accident" is a quality. The opposite can be, because it's unusual. It's something that grabs your attention.
People don't complain about Zelos being "too hetero" because his sexuality is uninteresting and not worth mention. But the behavior is still a a problem, so they call it being too much of a manslut instead.
Any homosexual character like Zelos would only further people's views of homosexuals as overly promiscuous and sex-focused.
Stop "helping"
>>334839610
The blame doesn't necessarily fall on homosexuality. I'm pretty sure people complaining about that character said "Why does he always have to talk about his partner? It's annoying" rather than "Why does this character have to be homosexual?"
Of course the complainer can also be homophobic, but all complaints about homosexual characters do not rely always on homophobia
>>334839501
>So because you think the manslut is a bad archetype, then he should be straight? Am i understanding that correctly?
He shouldn't be a manslut if a manslut is established as a bad archetype.
Vamp from MGS is a good example where his sexuality is known and adds to his character in a way that isn't forced or obnoxious.
>>334839610
Because a smaller fraction of the society are homosexuals, and that there's always a reason behind what a writer writes, whether it be for humor, for drama or to pass a message. In older games, being an overly flamboyant gay man was played for humor (Think Godhand), now when writers want to include a gay character, for no other reason than they want a gay character, they only write sentences referencing the fact that this character is gay. Meanwhile at no point in history did an heterosexual character constantly referring to his partner was meant to push a message. At worst he was an annoying asshole, at best it was because that's his character motivation.
>>334839783
Most of whom are not actually gay by the way.
>>334840126
>anything in mgs not forced or obnoxious
>>334839897
Gay romance is usually forced, stop using straw men.
>>334840207
No shit, but it's not like anyone in these threads ever actually played Undertale. Not worth the time to make the distinction.
>>334838773
>It WOULD matter if you did admit to having a double standard, hence why I asked in the first place.
I'm still baffled by this. I don't see how my opinion on the manslut archetypes plays into the equation. Unless you were setting up to argue my personal character. Which would be stupid.
>I think you need to refer back to what >>334834379 said
??? For what? I already replied to that post.
>Zelos is hardly beyond reproach for his man-slut qualities like you seem to think he is.
He's a manslut. OK. No one is saying he isn't. But what does that matter. I'm not following anything you're saying. You're being too vague.
>>334840286
So how is Kratos having sex with two or three women before you even fight anything not forced?
>>334839453
He's saying that they feel as token characters that were included in a story, not because they fit in it, but because the target audience would be more pleased if that particular kind of person was included. In that case, the character will often have little personality besides being what he is, because he wasn't introduced to improve the story, just as a marketing tactic
>>334840058
wait so homosexuality is mentionable because it's interesting? then why is mentioning it shoehorning it in?
>>334840286
OK then please provide some examples of where gay romance is forced.
>>334839897
Except Duke is meant to be a retarded super-american macho stereotype. At no point is he meant to be an actual role model you should strive to become.
And many people complained that the shitty sex scenes in Kratos games killed the pace of a game that's about smashing monsters in the face.
>>334840461
so many people complain about kratos that nothing change in these games.
>>334840443
That kind of stance is always stupid to me. If that's the case his problem isn't with homosexuality, his problem is with marketers.
>>334840612
Congratulations, you understood him
>>334840547
Yeah, because Kratos games are popular with console gamers who just want to bash shit in the face, meaning usually young teenagers who get aroused by poorly animated pixel nipples.
>>334840723
>>334839164
I dunno, kinda seemed like his problem was with homosexual characters as a rule.
>post yfw neckbeards got absolutely, irreparably assblasted by Baldur's Gate
>>334830309
Just because I like to masturbate to 2D images doesn't mean I can put up with all the retardation that 3D faggots bring.
>>334840170
>Meanwhile at no point in history did an heterosexual character constantly referring to his partner was meant to push a message.
including messages isn't necessary a bad thing.
>>334834302
>being THIS delusional
Yurifags need to kill themselves. Now.
>>334839587
That's not the same thing.
>>334839940
>Because the blame doesn't fall on heterosexuality, it falls on just sexuality.
That's bullshit.
No one blames Bayonetta for being too sexual.(except SJWs) There are a thousand videogame characters that get away with being overtly sexual, and no one complains... Until they're gay.
>if you're not convinced then give me an example of a gay character who does NOT do that and is generally disliked just for being gay.
I can't think of one from top of mind. I only have a vague recollection of some people bitching about a character who happens to be gay, mentioning their partner too many times. Merely by reminding the player that they're gay was an issue for them.
>>334839501
What the fuck are you on about
I don't understand how you put that first bit together at all.
And first it was that there are people like him, now he's exaggerated and unrealistic. Which is it?
Best gay character I have ever seen in a videogame? It was a character I had no idea was gay. His sexual orientation had nothing to do with the game. Found it out reading the extra material.
Fuck that "Oh my sexuality is suddenly in the spotlight" shit.
>>334826824
I do.
>>334840847
>Sabotaging the flow and tone of your game's dialogue and throwing it entirely off track just to piss off people on the internet you'll never actually meet now counts as a "victory" for these kinds of people
Thank god I realized early on that investing in either side of this retarded argument was a losing prospect
>>334841015
Who?
>>334840443
This guy gets it.
>>334840452
It's not. I've never claimed that. There are many good homosexual characters listed in this thread.
>>334841094
Cloud Strife
>>334840342
>I'm still baffled by this. I don't see how my opinion on the manslut archetypes plays into the equation. Unless you were setting up to argue my personal character. Which would be stupid.
I mentioned it because it's fucking stupid to argue about how everybody else sees the character and then attempt to exclude yourself as if any opinion you have would be beyond reproach.
"Anybody who thinks like me is fine and everybody else is a bigot," that's what it sounds like reading that kind of argument.
>??? For what? I already replied to that post.
I said to refer back to it (again) because you don't seem to understand the point still.
>He's a manslut. OK. No one is saying he isn't. But what does that matter. I'm not following anything you're saying. You're being too vague.
You were essentially saying nobody dislikes him for being a manslut though, which is wrong and I was pointing that out.
>>334830372
Hate when people just make stuff up
>>334841189
>lesbians
STOP
>>334840813
it probably is. he feeling like they are token characters may be due to him not being okay with gay characters in the first case. i mean his classification of token character is very vague and subjective.
>>334830372
this game is homophobic as fuck
>homos want to change the world
>pay a nerd to do it
>raging lesbians destroy everything
I often read about people saying LGBT people are obnoxious and always mention their sexuality, act as if it's their #1 defining trait etc.
For me it's the contrary, I don't think anyone in my friends/family is aware of the fact I'm not straight. I never bring it up because it's frankly irrelevant and I don't want my friends to change the way they see me/talk to me just because of some pointless unrelated thing.
>ffxiv
>two male characters in one quest
>obviously a couple
>tell you how their love is sadly not accepted by society
>after the quest it turns out they were talking about belonging to two different races
>>334840058
I'm not helping the gays. I'm untangling a logical knot, that's been bothering me.
I don't like this double standard. And I don't care if you're afraid of gays having an image problem, just because of a promiscuous gay character happens to exist in the media. If seeing a gay Zelos gives a player the idea that all gays are like Zelos, then they're retarded.
Solaire with male undead, dark souls 1
>>334837750
All normal people suck dicks. You don't want to be abnormal, do you?
>Characters never state their sexuality and yet they're all gay.
>Homosexuality never felt forced either.
>>334834785
The only people who believe this are dykes who on some level get off on having men want to fuck them and want to fit in with het women.
And the more butch/dykey a lez is the more chance that she can easily be talked into not just taking the dick but becoming a closet cockslut.
Which is fun, I mean, deep dicking a bulldyke raw and treating her like a slut is an awesome power trip, but really what man wants a dickthirsty butch lesbian fuckslut?
>>334841409
because gay pride parade and biowhore, ubishit and us election.
>>334841409
You are on the other side of the extreme but you are still being extreme. Do you think I go around thinking about my sexuality all day? No cuz I know it and thats all that matters. Problem with most of you "homosexuals" is you really are just people looking for a way to fit in without even taking the time to know yourself as a person before you decide "I dont like girls/boys". You are literally defined by your sexuality because you cant stop thinking about it
ITT: No One Cares
>>334841003
>That's not the same thing.
Yes it fucking is, you just don't think that because you're misrepresenting the argument.
>That's bullshit.
>No one blames Bayonetta for being too sexual.(except SJWs) There are a thousand videogame characters that get away with being overtly sexual, and no one complains... Until they're gay.
That's even MORE bullshit, people complain about overtly sexual characters whether they're gay or straight.
>I can't think of one from top of mind. I only have a vague recollection of some people bitching about a character who happens to be gay, mentioning their partner too many times. Merely by reminding the player that they're gay was an issue for them.
Wow, I'm impressed by what a great example that was.
>>334840064
I'm not going to play the homophobia card. But I do see a double standard, when people complain about characters failing to be "subtly" gay. And their examples of overbearing gay character, are no worse than straight characters.
>>334840103
That's of no concern to the matter.
>>334841623
I love these kinds of posts since you know they came from a virgin that's hasn't even been within five feet of a woman in the last year, let alone fucked one.
>>334841003
The fuck
People ABSOLUTELY complain about Bayo being sexual, and she's not even actually a slut
>>334840869
I didn't say that. There are more classy ways to push a message. Making an interesting narrative, with competent writing and great characters, while having an overall theme about your story (in which you present a problem you perceive in society in a subtle and tasteful way) is a better way to push a message than just making a character mention he's gay every time you talk to him.
>>334841073
I am not on a side either. I just find it hilarious when either side gets mad. Just revelling in the chaos, friend.
>>334841823
>And their examples of overbearing gay character, are no worse than straight characters.
You mean said straight characters that ALSO receive complaints?
>>334840170
>that there's always a reason behind what a writer writes
Because they're interested in something? And because homosexuality happens to be rare, it is an interesting topic to write about?
>they only write sentences referencing the fact that this character is gay.
Well... When you are gay, it's kind of hard to get around that fact. Specially when it comes to topics of romance.
If an NPC had a romantic little sidequest story arc, that would be their entire contribution to the game. And if a gay NPC had a romantic little sidequest story arc, their gayness would be their entire contribution to the game.
>>334841895
the same people who complain about LGBT characters or the kind of people who are being targeted by LGBT characters? because on /v/, where people complain about gay characters being sexual and about loli's being censored. don't know if they are always the same people but i guess it's likely that the two overlap at least.
>>334830309
the average 4channer is a self-loathing fag
more breaking news at 11!!
>>334841529
I like this post anon, want a congratulatory BJ?
>>334842716
sure, anon.
>>334842043
>a character mention he's gay every time you talk to him.
can you give an example?
a story in which a gay character is featured making him being gay as the foundation of the story in an interesting way would be okay then? say the character is abandoned by parents and/or forcefully seperated by their partner and you have to help them now as a very vague example?
>>334842496
>because on /v/
*we're
>>334842351
> Because they're interested in something? And because homosexuality happens to be rare, it is an interesting topic to write about?
Yes, I agree with that. That's not what I mean. I'm advocating for doing things in a way that's tasteful and make sense.
> Well... When you are gay, it's kind of hard to get around that fact.
It's actually pretty easy once you've accepted that you're gay and aren't dealing with stigmatization. But I agree that there's a lot of stigmatization. If a character has a romantic sidequest, and that character happens to be gay, good for him, I won't mind it. The problem comes when you have a sidequest that has nothing to do with the character being gay, and he'll just throw in a mention of it, now you just know the writer is trying to push his shit in the narrative, and isn't doing so in a way that's tasteful. And yes, it works with straight characters too. I don't give a shit if the girl wants to choke on 16 cocks when she's sending me on a mission to gather 35 raptor ballsacks, it's just annoying if she mentions it, and if that's her entire character, it makes her a shitty character.
> And if a gay NPC had a romantic little sidequest story arc, their gayness would be their entire contribution to the game.
If that's their only reason to exist, then fine, it's just a random useless NPC that happens to be gay. I don't give a shit if the ring I have to recover from the dungeon of a million goblins is meant to go on a man's ring-finger. The problem lies when people then come around and flaunt the fact that they have gay characters in their games as a way to make themselves seem inclusive.
>>334841013
Well you said, that hypothetically, if Zelos was meant to represent straight people, you wouldn't like that. because he represents straight people poorly. And the reason he's a poor representation, is that his archetype is bad.(in your opinion. but I'm going with it)
But because hetero people are the majority, he isn't a hetero representative. He's just in the big pool of random character types. However, had he been homosexual, then your representation argument comes into play. And he would be a bad representative for gays.
So because in real life, he can't really represent heteros, but he could *possibly* represent gays, that puts him in a spot where the side he should be on, is decided by who he makes a worse example of. Because he would make a worse example for gays, then by your logic, he shouldn't be gay.
>And first it was that there are people like him, now he's exaggerated and unrealistic. Which is it?
He's an exaggerated version of reality. A caricature. Although, some things you might think are caricature, can also exist in reality.
>>334842496
Oh boy, the "everyone on /v/ is the same person" meme. My favorite.
Clearly no one on this board has differing opinions.
>>334842863
At the top of my head I can mention Sir Hammerlock from borderlands. Almost every single time you encounter him, he mentions one of his boyfriends. Even when he's sending you on missions that have absolutely nothing to do with it, or even with him as a character. And on top of that, it's often just a sentence interjected in the middle of the mission description, and has nothing to do with it.
> a story in which a gay character is featured making him being gay as the foundation of the story in an interesting way would be okay then?
Yeah sure, again, I'm advocating for well made stuff. A game like gone home would be what you mean, done in a terrible way I wouldn't condone. If gone home was a game with good gameplay (or even just a good story) and lasted more than 50 seconds, I'd be fine with it.
> Say the character is abandoned by parents and/or forcefully seperated by their partner and you have to help them now as a very vague example?
Sounds like the foundations of a story. And if the parents abandoned the character for being gay, then you have an opportunity to play with that notion in your narrative, develop on it, show its consequences, show how the character reacts to that, and show how the characters come to term with it.
>>334841195
>as if any opinion you have would be beyond reproach.
Ah, so your are arguing my personal character. That's stupid.
You should be analyzing my arguments. Because what hypocrisies I may hold inside, do not alter reality.
>I said to refer back to it (again) because you don't seem to understand the point still.
Whatever point I'm not understanding, isn't going to be understood without your guidance.
>You were essentially saying nobody dislikes him for being a manslut though
No I wasn't. I said "that type of character can be good", and "My position on whether or not Zelos's character is good or bad ultimately doesn't matter."
>>334843443
do you have problems reading a full sentence at once? because i clearly mentioned that /v/ is not one person.
>>334841869
Lezanon please.
I know how your kind all hates lesbians who aren't gold star or fucks guys on the reg.
Even vague implications of a lesbian wanting to fuck men infuriates and angers you.
It's true however. Most butch lezbians are a bro chad thundercock who can pull threesome partners away from being preggo and in the kitchen barefoot.
>straightfags that say they have nothing against homos but complain if a character is obviously gay (i.e. Hitting on another character or making remarks about how cute x character is) then proceed to generalize every game with a gay character in it to Bioware
>if a straight character does the SAME THING nobody bats an eye
Loving every laugh
>>334843384
>that puts him in a spot where the side he should be on, is decided by who he makes a worse example of. Because he would make a worse example for gays, then by your logic, he shouldn't be gay.
I was with you until here.
Not trying to be an ass, I legitimately am not following this part. I'm not sure what you're trying to say based on what I said.
>>334843648
fair enough.
>>334841819
>Yes it fucking is, you just don't think that because you're misrepresenting the argument.
No, I'm pretty sure claiming two concepts are conveniently the same, in order to twist the argument your way, is misrepresenting.
>That's even MORE bullshit, people complain about overtly sexual characters whether they're gay or straight.
Alright. That's true. But they don't complain in the same manner. And not nearly in the same proportion. When Bayonetta gets complaints. it's sparse remarks about her being kinda cheese, and one-dimentional or whatever. But the complainers just kind of slink away to something that's more their tastes. They don't ask that she be "subtly hetero".
>Wow, I'm impressed by what a great example that was.
Hey, man. I'm still waiting for all the examples of gay characters who are so overbearingly sexual, that it caused people to ask for subtlety.
>>334842143
>You mean said straight characters that ALSO receive complaints?
No. I mean straight characters who BARELY receive complaints, IF ANY.
>>334844637
Again, heterosexuality is not a trait worth mentioning, so no one mentions it.
And have you ever actually talked to people about Bayo? Someone always has a fucking problem with her sexuality.
