The great debate.
YES MAN = NCR > HOUSE > LEGION
Yes Man is the only correct answer.
>anything other than House
>>334816692
>2016
>not getting rid of the degenerates
>not having your own qt slave
>>334817204
>playing an unfinished faction
>>334817062
>>334816908
>You mash some buttons. You're not sure if you accomplished anything, but it makes you feel better.
What a competent leader of the Mojave
I like all except Yes man
Tried to play
Cancer graphics
4/10
shit game desu
>>334816692
NCR is best short term, House is best long term, everyone else is wrong.
Legion was described by the writers themselves as wanting to write a fairly objectively evil faction, since the others were so grey and not everyone is grey IRL. Their only real benefit is a stable Mojave, while Kaisar lives. Full retard if your aim is to prevent human suffering.
Yes Man is ??? tier because some players will play a benevolent friendly guy but then go right onto a murdering baby rapist, so it's not a reliable ending for humanity. Could be either better or worse than all other options.
>>334817992
You never get a sense of the lawlessness outside Vegas, Raul gives you some idea, but you never see it for yourself. You're right on long term though, once Kaisar dies the whole thing falls apart. House overcomes this by being immortal, kind of cheating.
>>334816692
A 100%, Good Karma OWB, YM run is the best ending - but if you don't have that, House always wins
>not picking House
It's like you don't even want a space program
>>334817847
It's pronounced "des". Idiot.
>>334816692
Legion.
>>334816692
NCR = reseting shit to zero, therefore back to shit, repeating history
Legion = hurrr technology bad, sniff some healing powder for your broken leg and throw some javelins at guy in power armor
House = you give power to someone else
Yay man = you give power to yourself
Choice is clear, only cucks pick anything else than Yes Man
>>334819404
"America" could already be that monolithic culture, it has icons fucking everywhere. The writers also clearly said that they intended to make Legion a basically evil faction.
>>334819410
Good luck missing out on the immortality House is giving to me once I become an invalid.
>inb4 some sort of joke about him not doing it
Why would he not? He doesn't really have anything to lose, and it would save him training a new lackey when I die.
Also he wants to get Vegas's industries up and running again, and for the life of me I can't stand looking at all those unpainted peeling buildings.
>>334816692
Yes man
Only because every other choice is essentially just others trying to rebuild the new world into that of the old.
And with yes his route pretty much is letting go of that notion and embracing the new world and building it up on top of that with all tje growing pains that it entails but ultimately though not something entirely new sure but at least into something unique that may take some influence from the past but not trying to emulate it.
>>334816692
I immediately tried to get rid of Yes Man that creepy ass face can't be trusted
>>334819404
>Siding with the backwards savages who refuse to use advanced technology that can actually be replicated by people with know-how is the best choice for mankind
Why can't legion-fags just admit they want to take it up the ass from Vulpes already?
>>334819983
?, I kept house alive to copy his technology, I don't need to be cucked by zombie for that you faggot, do you even Science 100?
>>334819321
Please end your life
>>334816692
Mr.House>Legion>Yes Man>NCR
>>334820318
Try reading the posts.
>>334820482
Legion>who cares
>>334819404
Yeah because there's no way to assimilate tribes into your society without "killing off all degenerates" and forcing the women to be sex slaves, right?
Fuck off with your dumb pretentious nonsense. The NCR's way of doing things works in a superior, less violent way and unified the West. The legion runs in a shitty barbaric (ironically enough) manner by the sole virtue of the power of the sword over the power of the pen. The legion would have died one way or the other, you can't wrong so many people and not expect internal turmoil among political parties.
>>334816692
This is not a debate. You either work for yourself or you join the legion. Anything else is pussy shit
>>334820856
Fuck, I posted the wrong one.
>>334820820
>>334820318
>>334817345
Get the fuck out of here degenerates
>>334818984
>once Ceaser dies
Then you will take over. Then the next strongest will take over after you
>>334820332
>I kept house alive to copy his technology
Even with SCI 100 your character is one guy working with prewar shit, no access to manufacturing/repair, and no manuals around.
You wouldn't have time in one lifetime to both run the joint, reverse engineer super high level immortality technology, AND actually have fun fucking women, eating nice food, getting plastered, and seeing the sights.
With House option, I can let him do his fantasy of turning Vegas into its oldworld form (which I fully support because Vegas is stellar) on autopilot, while also experiencing all the creature comforts that come with being in a powerful position, and then get immortality without having to work for it.
Objectively superior if you're going for a selfish option, while also better for the long term safety and security of Vegas than the Yes Man option which becomes uncertain once you die.
Legion>everything for the fun factor of murdering profligates and degenerates (Basically everyone)
>>334821373
>no access to manufacturing/repair, and no manuals around
>he doesn't have Old World Blues
No, you're just cucky cuck, you need people to control your life because you're too dumb to do so on your own.
>>334821751
>you need people to control your life
You got daddy issues or something champ? House doesn't control your life just as much as the government doesn't control your life. He's a convenient autopilot so you don't have to worry about shit and can just get on with enjoying yourself; I'm not dumb, I'm lazy, and it feels good lounging around with the finest Vegas whores while you desperately try to put together two and two.
>OWB
Previous point still stands, because you're going to have to do all of it yourself, and MT doesn't necessarily have the relevant manuals or manufacturing facilities for what you want.
Good luck getting the think tank to help you without them reattaching your penis to your head and filling the life support chamber with sewage, cuckboy.
>House
Arguably, the most stable (stability =/= ideal) governing body for the Mojave. Unlike Caesar, House's despotism is not routed in any form of idealism - it's a state founded purely on economy. Economy is the one thing that despots do better than any other type of government - so, it's a smart choice.
Moreso, House does not need to be immortal (or even alive) for his government to continue. In theory, despots could be hand-picked for talent, groomed to rule and then allowed to replace the current House, harking back to a more Orwellian Julio-Claudian dynasty.
>Legion
The Legion has no longevity so long as their sole focus is conquering territory. A government that doesn't actually govern will eventually sew discontent and division.
Considering that Legionnaires are conditioned and trained not to fear death or suffering, when the grip that Caesar's cult of personality holds over them is broken... They become the perfect enemies of the government, rebel forces that are just as ruthless as the government itself.
If they take New Vegas - then, in theory, that problem is solved. But, the brutal tactics that make the Legion function will be wholly inadequate for maintaining any form of civilian empire. A good example is the Ides of March.
>NCR
The NCR are overextending themselves by coming to the Mojave. It was a stupid idea to expand beyond their contingent area. The problems that they suffer deal heavily with the fact that the NCR are trying to become similar to pre-war US, but the circumstances of their expansion aren't favorable to a republic of such a massive size (in Fallout, even the US couldn't maintain itself and became a federation of smaller republics).
In theory, taking the dam and NV would be a balm to all of this, however. It grants them position and resources to turn their guns on Arizona.
>Indepedent
The game fleshes out why this is a bad idea pretty nicely.
>>334822881
>Independent (expanded)
I would add that this option is the only one that allows a true Post-War world to form - something divorced from what came before. That is an appealing option.
>>334822413
Aaah, little faggot losing arguments so he's turning to ad hominems, how typical, you can do literally anything house can do when you have his power hell even anything Legion or NCR can do, even get your precious whores, and did you just seriously imply that government DOESN'T control your life? Top fucking kek
>Previous point still stands, because you're going to have to do all of it yourself, and MT doesn't necessarily have the relevant manuals or manufacturing facilities for what you want.
Directly at the begining your brain is already in it's comfy tank and controls your fucking body through antenna like a fucking Lich, the technology is already here, even far more advanced than what House does have because he needs to resort to robots to send his message while you just remotely control your body AND have army of bots at your disposal
>Good luck getting the think tank to help you without them reattaching your penis to your head and filling the life support chamber with sewage, cuckboy.
You're just all 'I can't, I can't' and no balls, fuck off and enjoy being House's slave and getting another shot in the head when you outlive your usefulness, I bet you picked Synthesis in Mass Effect 3 too.
anyway this exchange is over, I have games to play, if your character had your mindset you wouldn't even wake up from the grave at the start of the game
>Legion being free from corruption and cultural differences
my favorite meme
>>334817628
>leader of the Mojave
>Yes-Man
Way to miss the point retard. In Yes-Man, the Courier only controls the Strip. The Mojave is left to the control of it's own people. Goodsprings controls Goodsprings, Primm controls Primm etc.
That's the entire point of the House/Yes-Man endings.
Yes-Man forever and always.
Not only is it the best option for the Mojave, but it's also the most thematically fitting ending for the narrative.So it's the best ending from all regards.
Why does Caesars Legion want to expand into civilized territory like House or NCR?
I understand assimilating tribes and shit but war wouldn't be best for those regions
>>334824675
I know /v/ likes to meme on Ulysses, but he has some insight into this.
Basically, the Legion needs the war. They need that quest, to get to the coast and destroy the NCR. It's a tall order and it will take years, perhaps decades, but that's what's keeping the Legion together. This unifying push into the west. Once the Legion takes on the NCR, wins and reaches the coast, it'll turn on itself and fall apart without that goal.
Like most authoritarian cult-of-personality factions, they need that leader and they need some difficult objective to keep them fighting, without that they'll fall apart as a society.
>>334823665
House objectively makes the Mojave great again whether or not you like him.
>>334816692
Well, certainly not the one that got cut to hell because the developers didn't have enough time/resources.
Seriously, I love romans as much as the next guy, if not more, but how the fuck can you side with a faction that has literally only one settlement on the map?
>>334823145
>Aaah, little faggot losing arguments so he's turning to ad hominems
stopped reading here when I realised this was bait considering >>334821751
Yes Man>House>>>NCR>>>>>Legion
Boomers best faction.
>>334823282
>Way to miss the point retard
Well, isn't this delicious?
Did I say "Yes-Man"? Did you even do a low INT/SCI build and the REPCONN quest?
Go eat some humble pie, champ.
>Ulysses is a massive retard
>Entirely unconvincing speeches
>10 INT, 10 CHA
>>334826137
are you actually retarded
Do you not understand your own posts?
>>334827485
>hurr durr I lack reading comprehension
Shoot yourself.
Yes-man is the best character of the game since it's the only good person around and he treats you well and agree with everything you do and does his best to help you in your decisions.
Everyone is always trying to control you all the time except Yes-man, he gives you advice but at the end I'm the one who takes the decision, I think. I have never meet someone like him, he's like a evolved kind of loyal friend, wish it had a name but I guess I'll call him super friend.
>>334825303
Having only the Fort to fall back to makes me feel like a bad-ass legionnaire operating far behind enemy lines
>>334827670
Okay, since you're obviously a bit touched in the head let me explain.
You replied to two posts stating Yes Man is the best ending, you then claimed that the player would be an unfit leader for the mojave because of low intelligence dialogue. I then explained that the Courier is not actually the leader of the mojave, but rather just the Strip. You then chimped out.
Understand?
>>334823282
So instead of setting in someone to take control and responsibility, you want anarchy. k
All sound kinda shitty. NCR is about making Murrika great again, Legion is a bunch of retarded cosplayers, House is a crazy shithead with a terminator army, Yes Man is a full fedora
>>334828624
No, you retard. Not anarchy. Autonomy. Each settlement rules themselves.
Considering all the other options, it's the best choice.
It's not a debate. It's literally an objective fact that despotic governments are the best if they have a capable, intelligent, and hopefully relatively benevolent head at the wheel.
The problem with them is that good men die. House doesn't, and his army and police force are literally 100 percent loyal, so are incapable of taking power or influence him at all. House is the perfect option.
NCR would be the next best if House didn't exist, because at least a democracy/republic has some checks and balances against the aspirations of powerful men.
Legion would be a good idea if things were worse and it was absolutely necessary.
Yes Man is literally "I'm the smartest bestest guy in the world and can do anyfink who cares about the consequences "
THE BEAR
Do all non-legion fags agree that legion is objectively the worst choice?
>>334829243
>Yes Man is literally "I'm the smartest bestest guy in the world and can do anyfink who cares about the consequences "
Again, missing the point. The point of the Yes Man ending is for the Mojave to rule itself rather than the Legion, House or NCR dictating them. It's a new world post-war ideology.
>>334816692
I chose the legion
it was nothing personel, kids
>>334816692
Regardless on how you few about the NCR, House, and Yes Man/Your Own Path, who the fuck would would side with the Legion? Let's ignore the slavery shit and rejection of even beneficial advance technology like medical, the Legion simply put has no future, all of it rests on the Caeser's head, who is both
Too old to produce a hereditary heir
and
Has failed to appoint a worthy successor. When he dies (and seeing how he has a medical condition that might very well happen) the legion would just be another raider faction, just bigger. NCR got problems, problems whose solutions may or may not be fixed, but at least if their president died, they already have someone else to fill in the seat
Blowing House and his century of planning the fuck out is one of the most satisfying moments in NV. Him and NCR are ultimately old age relics and should fuck off
House -> Full 1984
Bear -> Full Murrica, corruption and eventually nothing, the same post-apocaliptic shit
Bull -> Full genocide
Yes -> I mean... You are able to wipe out the other three factions entirely, solve everyone's problems and some of you still think you won't be the perfect leader
Killed everyone from NCR because I'm still butthurt about Tandi refusing to fuck me all the way back in FO1
>>334827932
The word is sycophant, you flaming seed-swallowing whore.
House
>>334831019
>big government
>literally 1 dude
?
NCR 100%, they are the best hope for the future. Someone just needs to come along deal with the corruption.
>>334828583
>he still doesn't get it
lmaoing my lmao off if this isn't bait, dumb neckbeard lmao
>>334831137
>what are dictators
House had no reason to be good to you after he got the chip. You were lucky enough to not only be chosen as a courier, but to survive a head shot as well.
House still gave you your own casino, made you second in command of a robot army and the only "safe" place in the desert.
House all the way.I sided with NCR first playthrough.
>>334831019
>bull
>leftwing
this chart dun goofed
>>334817198
House is for complete cucks afraid of the unknown and making their own choices
>>334831019
this chart is retarded
>>334831019
fixed
>>334831910
Yeah, that looks about right.
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