So pretty much all of the stuff we saw in the leaked DaSIII screenshots and concept art got either scrapped, simplified or reworked. Making your own bonfires from corpses, those phantom swords, different bosses in the same boss area, expanded Kiln of the First Flame with enemies etc.
Looks like they just ran out of time again and some stuff simply didn't work so they repurposed the items to serve other means (Coiled Sword Fragment used for warping and a few mainstory instances etc.)
What do you think? From makes really great games in such a short time span but they never seem to reach their true potential because of it. Here's hoping they'll let the Souls formula rest this console generation and make a completely new one next generation with a longer development time and without any reused assets.
You want more?
That'll be $20
Lothric castle change was for the better, those creepy flying things look much more fucked up than drakes.
I'd expect to see others in DLC.
They had plenty of time to make Dark Souls 3.
Virtually every game the size of Dark Souls 3 has an abundance of cut or re-purposed content. In most cases it isn't relevant to time constraints.
>>334812454
It looked like there was going to be a night cycle kind of thing akin to Bloodborne but all we got was a change to the bleeding sun.
>>334812509
Yes, you always have to make compromises when creating video games. I'm just wondering if they simply didn't work or was it Bamcos fault for rushing them again.
How long was the development time on DaSIII again? I though I read something about DaSIII starting production even before DaSII was finished but I think that sounds like bullshit.
The majority of these changes seem like they simply didn't like or want to use what they had originally. The only thing I could see being cut from time restraints is the expanded Kiln of the First Flame, but even then we don't know their reasoning, they could have thought it was more fitting as a small, desolate area tofight the final boss.
>>334812684
You're retarded, the "night" is obviously the same shit that happens during the dark sign eclipse. Did you bother to explore the rest of the world at that point?
I am more bummed about the amount of armour sets removed.
>>334812684
You need set deadlines and an established scope, or else you end up with MGS5. Stuff like this is natural, and no areas in game really suffer, unlike in 1, where Bed of Chaos is a publicly admitted fuckup.
Literally every videogame in existence has content that is either cut, reworked or simplified for a variety of reasons.
Something that's seen in an early trailer might not necessarily make it into the final product for a variety of reasons.
This is not a new phenomenon and it's not something that's unique to Souls games.
>>334813267
In the screenshot with the flying drakes the sky is much darker than anything in the final game.
The idea to create a bonfire anywhere was stupid to begin with. The only change that honestly bothered me was the Kiln, the rest was changed for the better.
>>334812019
Man, I thought that bleeding sun was the coolest shit back during the days when the game was just announced.
Shame they replaced it with a bootleg copy of the Eclipse from Berserk
every single game has cut content
![dark_souls_3_high_lord_wolnir[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kZMIUkh.jpg "dark_souls_3_high_lord_wolnir[1].jpg")
>>334813273
https://imgur.com/a/olgvn
album of removed costumes
also for some reason they changed where nito was going to be fought
>>334812019
>that first picture
pretty cool, why would you cut that
>>334813393
>>334813717
I know that and I though I awknowledged it on my OP post but I guess I fucked up. Just wondering if some of the cuts were a product of a rushed development like with Dark Souls (everything after O&S) or Demon's Souls (Giant Archstone)
The other thing that bothers me about DaSIII is that the firelink NPC have so little dialogue, especially the firekeeper. I wonder if we'll find remnants of the audio files withing the game like with DaS and DeS.
>>334813273
what? That's why there's like 20 at best, and most of them look bad
>>334814130
Seems like originally the fight was supposed to be set in arena, there was no need to move because of death fog. A good change, IMO.
>>334814130
Most of that shit could end up being in the DLCs you know, especially the spells. Just because there's left over files doesn't mean they got cut.
>>334814130
>Those NPC faces
Some things are better left unseen
>>334813393
>Yahoo insider said Legion was done before Wod was even released
>Now blizzard is saying that it's not ready to exit alpha stage and MIGHT be released on december
Its dlc
Notice how the pictures seem to be post game, with the sun in heavy degradation and a serpent appearing (primordial most likely)
Also it'd make sense that you'd have to make bonfires yourself in the abyss
>>334814130
those are pretty shit to be honest
the knight armour sets look plain unfinished
How many DLC is there going to be? 2 expansions?
>>334814130
Dammit those tracers better be DLC I was hoping to find them all game and had to settle for the Dancers Swords
>>334814912
yeah 2
>>334814652
pls no more serpents
they are way too fucking creepy
>>334812019
I'm speculating that those phantom sword would have been left there by players in other worlds dying to that area boss. Shame they cut that, would have been a neat little online thing.
>>334814652
That serpent looks nothing like the primordial serpents.
>>334815721
>I'm speculating
It was in beta
So the specially changed it in final release
I persnally blame pc fags
>>334815842
>I persnally blame pc fags
DLC 1 will be called The Old Kingdom and it'll have you go to some parts of Drangleic and a partially ruined Drangleic castle, final boss is a much darker version of the Looking Glass Knight.
DLC 2 will be called The Legacy of the Dark and is a travel to the Abyss pretty much, with some familiar DaS1 and DaS2 locations that were swallowed by the Abyss, Artorias will be one of the bosses, the final boss of DLC 2 is either another reincarnation of Manus, or Nashandra herself.
>>334812019
Thanks, convinced me not to buy it.
>>334816393
>Drangleic
Only in Yui's wet dreams.
DS2 lore is irrelevant.
>>334815775
>what is a remodel
It is very clear that they wanted a darker vibe in das3
If the primordial serpents were to return, they'd be remodeled to their "true form" to be scarier
I can't understand you faggots who watched any of the gameplay prior to the release of the game.
I made a conscious effort to avoid any of it until I played the game through myself. I want a completely pure experience when I play a Souls game, I don't want to be spoiled toward anything.
>>334816927
There are primordial serpent statues in Lothric castle and they look just like they did in DaS1.
>>334817496
State of the world affects their appearance
Or
Kaathe showed up in his das form to not look frightening to lothric, and they made statues based on the form they knew
You can justify it a million ways
ITT welcome to game development.
Lots of shit gets cut because of time/money.
>>334817496
>>334817746
You could also say that their appearance would change based on the ending you got
If you linked the fire, they'd show up in their true form to give them the form of antagonists
But of course from wouldn't bother doing this, they're too lazy
>>334812019
Bottom one is original idea for Crucifixion Woods/Farron Keep.
Middle left is Lothric, they just removed drakes and changed lighting.
Two above the bottom ones are the Ludex Gundyr fight which look almost exactly the same, but in a different area.
These aren't particularly cut-content, but rather changes that were made during development.
Top two aren't in the game at all (besides the backdrop for Soul of Cinder), so you could argue these got cut.
>>334818105
>Ludex
Fucking Americans
They removed drakes from lothric but added flying hollow trees
>>334814130
Other than the Tracers, every one of them seems either unfinished or stupid as hell. Good job From.
Dark Pyromancy doesn't make much sense, since it was just an extension of Dark Sorcery in DaS1.
Though that pitchfork, I was grinding the farmers for hours trying to get it, why was it cut?
>>334812019
thats a concept pic, cut content can only be called if they made it to finish but then cancel it.
>>334814130
>also for some reason they changed where nito was going to be fought
It's the same room where you start the fight though, they probably realized it was too small and added an additional area for the fight.
>>334818357
Pitchfork is in, I have one
>>334818282
>implying I'm American
Ludex is in the European release as well.
I can't read moon, so I didn't know him as Champion, soz.
>>334818480
Its iudex you illiterate mongoloid
>tfw it's the 4chan is getting on the Dark Souls hatewagon as it's not popular meme
>>334818357
>>334818442
Different pitchfork.
Four pronged pitchfork is in the game, but the one in the album is only in the files.
>>334818545
Oh no, I mistook a capital I as an l, however will I live
>>334812019
Leaked screenshots and videos doesnt always mean that it was "cut". It could just mean that scrapped ideas where leaked by someone when it should have.
Theres a lot of planning during game development that just stays forever on paper.
Its the same as drawing several shitty arts in papers, throw them in the garbage bin, and someone leaks them for the public while you make the actual good drawing.
>>334818724
It shows you're an uncultured dumbass
Its one of the most popular Latin words
Did you not go to school?
>>334819027
this
also the game we did get is really good guys
>>334819027
Stop making sense anon. This is shitpost-land, where any concept art, scrapped idea or a leaked screenshot means cut content :')
>>334819228
It might be good, but it's clearly unfinished, it only has 19 bosses with some of them being complete shit, like Yhorm.
What are your hopes for the DLC?
Personally, I want to see the return of the serpents.I would make a thread about this but Australian's aren't allowed to post threads at the momentcan somebody please make the thread for me I'll give you a dollar
>>334812019
>>334812454
>>334812509
>>334812684
>>334812775
>>334813160
>>334813267
>>334813273
From and Bamco did this with Darksouls II.
Slice the game up and sell DLC and season passes.
Miyazaki was going to do the same thing with bloodborne, but decided against it as there were already so few mandatory bosses and we ended up getting ACTUAL post game content like we did with Artorias of the Abyss.
>>334812019
None of the screenshots has cut content you imbecile, they just removed bonfire creation(which would've been broken as fuck) and they simply changed some models and the lighting or switched boss room for another (Oceiros instead of Gundyr) , you seriously expected leaks to be faithful to the last build? did you forget how different bloodborne looked when it was project beast? you literal mongoloid, kill ourself.
>>334819328
You can defeat yhorm without the storm ruler retard, and it turns into a great fight
>>334812019
Why is this censorship OK?
>>334819417
Why do so many people want to see the serpents return? They were interesting in DaS1 because they weren't powerful, their power is lying and deceiving other pople, that way they could get what they want, if we get a primordial serpent as a boss it'll ruin their character forever.
>>334819120
>learning a dead language
lmfao
go back to boarding school, you fucking homo
>>334819120
>learning latin in school
>>334813427
yes and it would've been an extremely boring set piece, the sun eclipse is a much more interesting visual cue than a generic night-time
>>334819582
censorship? see>>334819516
we will get the content. You just have to pay 40$ extra for it.
>>334819295
Yeah, sometimes I forget where I am posting...
>>334819573
>You can defeat yhorm without the storm ruler retard
Yeah, in like 10 minutes, it's more like a chore than a battle.
>and it turns into a great fight
You're kidding, right? His moves are telegraphed as fuck, you can only get hit by any of them if you're a braindead retard.
>>334819632
Who said they hbe to return as a boss?
They're cool characters and besides they're the key to find out what's going on in das3 and the world
>>334819736
No, he has a weak point in his head that you can hit if you stagger him
>>334819671
>>334819675
>yes let's play dumbasses that will surely NOT attract actual idiots
>>334812019
>muh cut content
fuck off
>>334819671
>>334819675
>Americans
Jesus Christ
You learn some Latin words on history classes just by studying the roman civilization, you don't actually learn the language
Ever heard of mare clausum, made nostrum, vox populi, pax romana?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8NTVveHCO4
who's ready for some unused music
Two of those are still in the game though.
Gundyr is later on while the parasite Gundyr is in the tutorial.
>>334819675
latin is actually useful for english reading comprehension. Your pigamerican language has many latin roots.
>>334818724
Iudex is latin for judge, you ignorant fuck.
>>334819952
>implying
m8, you actually learnt a dead language.
If you weren't too busy getting buggered silly by your fellow prep boys and Mr. Chester the Physical Education Molester, you might've realised how useless that was.
Now fuck off back to dear mama.
>>334820026
to be fair it's not their fault I's look like l's in a lot of fonts.
>>334819417
underwater (no swimming though) area plus giant creature area
>>334820120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFfAdPEsgw
2
>>334820026
>learing a few phrases is the same as learning a language
'no'
>>334819417
why are people ok with dlc
>>334820176
>latin is actually useful
Ayy lmao
>>334820339
>>334820120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IyI5TLRNvw
3
>>334820413
Because From are one of the few devs who do worthwhile DLC.
>>334820352
>reading comprehension
Try reading it again then come back to me
>>334820448
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_and_Latin_roots_in_English
how much autism does it take to deny it?
>>334813160
>Spoiler with actual spoiler
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT WHY
>>334812019
>games mechanica and visuals change from a year old version that the public wasnt supposed to see
WOOOOOW
>>334820519
>chopping up the base game
nah. only dark souls and bloodborne dlc were afterthoughts.
>>334819530
they also cut those lore graves, and they were in the network test
>>334820549
Oh yeah, a few adopted and bastardised words totally make a dead language relevant.
Might as well go learn fucking Sanskrit.
>>334814257
the kiln of the first flame is essentially what this picture has become in the final game
the distorted landscape as a mass of many buildings becoming one, the bleeding sun as the cursed mark in the sky
>>334820639
They only did that with DaSII.
That means 2/3 has good DLC, and the last game had the best DLC so far. It's a good track record desu.
>>334820873
you mean das 2 and 3? There's a reason miyazaki brought on Tanimura. Expect a HD rerelease packaged with all the dlc a la SotFS
>>334819417
>Australian's aren't allowed to post threads at the moment
based Hiro
>>334821228
>There's a reason miyazaki brought on Tanimura
Probably because he was busy making Bloodborne and The Old Hunters.
Anyone else felt the "link the fire" ending in ds 3 was deceptively good?
Initially it just felt like an overly simple anti-climatic ending but by the time it zoomed out and the credit music started playing, I felt a sense of gloom/melancholy as if the mc will just be forgotten like the previous protagonists.
Kind of like he just accepted his fate and waited to die and that gave the ending its charm.
Pic related, felt almost identical to Roy Batty's death and his final soliloquy
>>334821459
Not really. If you've seen one ending you've seen them all. Getting pretty boring at this point.
>>334821459
Yeah, especially since it's unclear if you succeeded or not.
>>334821459
Lol you got tricked
You can't link the fire, you're unkindled
>>334821770
What if I turned Hollow?
>>334821770
Explain
>>334812328
First post best post.
>>334812509
>They had plenty of time to make Dark Souls 3.
1.5 years is a laughable amount of time. Fuck that, let's be honest: They've been pumping out Souls games at a pace that makes Call of Duty jealous.
>>334814130
Oh boy.
>>334821660
BB had pretty good endings desu
>happy ending
>you are the new gehrman
>you're a squid now
>>334812019
So only the bleeding sun from the first screenshot made it in? Damn shame I thought it was going to be cool to see the world ending in such a chaotic way.
>>334821898
Dark Souls III has been in development since the Dark Souls was released.
It was developed alongside DaSII and BB.
>>334821867
See dark fire link
Lit fire link is illusion to get you to hunt the lords of cinder
The bell never actually tolled, that's why the lords of cinder are still in their homes
Someone manipulated you into killing them so the fire wouldnt be linked, knowing that you can't link it
People at the start tell you that you can't link the fire, you're worthless
>>334822104
>the lords of cinder are still in their homes
Was with you up until this
Aldrich is explicitly stated as not being in his home. He left the Cathedral for the Boreal Valley.
>>334822070
>Dark Souls III has been in development since the Dark Souls was released.
>It was developed alongside DaSII and BB.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. DS2 was developed by an entirely different team. You should look something up before pretending you know anything about it.
And what? Number 3 was developed alongside number 2? Are you retarded?
>>334822104
Nice theory, but needs more evidence.
What would the third firelink be then, if the hub one is an illusion?
>>334821970
Because BB was open for actually refreshing writing. Dark souls has nothing more then ''you need to kill all the big god dudes to link the fire for some reason''. And it's been like that in every single game.
>>334822301
His home is literally the Boreal Valley though...
>>334822305
>Number 3 was developed alongside number 2? Are you retarded?
considering all the reused assets it is kind of true ;)
>Cutting room floor = cut content
Fuck off /v/. You have never made a product and understand nothing about the creation process.
>>334822305
>You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
Amusing, because this actually applies to you. Look it up; DaSII, BB, and DaSIII began development at the same time.
>DS2 was developed by an entirely different team
Yes, and? Where did I say it wasn't?
I said it was developed alongside, not that it was made by the same team.
>And what? Number 3 was developed alongside number 2?
Yes. Why is this such a hard thing for you to grasp? Have you never heard of this happening before?
It's quite a common thing, and happens across multiple mediums; especially films and literature.
Jesus fucking Christ. Even if the game has 70 hour content, as soon as you fags find out there was content not included in the final release, immediately you fags go "bawww KIKES selling cut content for $40!!"
I'm glad none of you are actual game developers otherwise you'd be in development hell forever trying to get "everything in" with shitty project plans and over-scoped visions.
>>334820639
Are you a moron? Dark Souls 1 had plenty of cut/rushed content. Second half being most of it.
>>334822536
Yeah, as much as I love the Souls games, From is lazy as fuck. So many reused assets, lore elements, armors, weapons, NPCs, enemies...
It's just lazy. I like it on occasion because it transforms these games into a cohesive universe, but it's still just fucking lazy.
>>334814567
Except for Leonhart, but wasn't his face supposed to be damaged?
Also Sirris, Irina and Karla a cute.
>>334818357
Fuck you, that greataxe looked sexy as fuck compared to the ones we have in the game. Two of them right now aren't even axes but instead cleavers that should have been put in the UGS section instead.
>>334814652
I have a hard time believing it was originally intended to be DLC. That kind of stuff usually starts in the planning phase 6 months before release and only starts being built around 2 months before release. Those screens are from more than a year ago.
>>334822737
Most of that stuff looks like its in the game in one form or another. I'm just angry about the top left screenshot because I thought that area would be a major set piece in the game
Like the last quarter or something.
>>334820176
>>334820026
>american
I don't think so, Tim.
>>334814130
>prince lothric scythe and shield
>thise descriptions
I wonder if this boss was originally going to be somewhat similar to Garl Vinland and Maiden Astraea at some point.
>>334823094
>>334823416
Aren't the weapons also not in the game? Seems like prime DLC material.
>>334820549
how much autism does it take to give such a fuck?
>>334823715
the weapons don't look finished
>>334819417
Carthus desert area so we can get the desert sorc set again.
>>334820616
Works as advertised.
>>334812019
>still better than destiny
>>334819417
Some explaining on DaS2. I know most people think it as a spinoff right now, but even the ladderman was in DaS3 so they could open it up a bit.
>>334826397
Nothing is more extreme than Destiny cut content.
>>334819417
I want to know what the fuck is going on with the Darksign eclipse and those pilgrim butterflies.
>>334819417
>>334827640
Oh, and explain why there's a distinction between the Abyss and the "Deep (Sea)". They should be the same thing, and I hope it's not just lazy translation.
>>334812019
>So pretty much all of the stuff we saw in the leaked DaSIII screenshots and concept art got either scrapped, simplified or reworked.
Yup that's pretty much concept art for ya.
>Looks like they just ran out of time again and some stuff simply didn't work so they repurposed the items to serve other means
This always happened, for every game ever made. No game ever reach its true potential.
The concept art used in marketing is like 5% of the total amount of concept art produced for a game, and of course what they don't show you what could've been, that's why they often put the other cool concept arts in a $20 art book.
Pic related.
>>334812019
Environmental concept arts are used to represent the general atmosphere of an environment.
It's not supposed to look exactly like the concept.
>>334812019
bottom concept is in the game, it's Farron keep swamp.
>>334819417
I want one to be the carthus desert and the other to be about Londor.
>>334828254
>>334828441
Yes, although it feels a lot different than the one in the concept art. I'm happy how it turned out and it feels like its own thing rather than just being a copy of Valley Of Defilement, Blightown or the Chalice Dungeon swamp.
>>334819516
you realize that Artorias of the Abyss was just content that didn't make it in because of time constraints right? instead of releasing it in a patch at a later date they gave it to PC for free because they knew the vanilla port wasn't that great and then made console users pay for something that should have been in the game.
I like From for the games they make but fuck at the end of the day they are still a company trying to make money, regardless if Namco is the ones making them do it or not
>>334828965
>mfw I realized you were originally supposed to get the abysswalker ring from the DLC area
>>334829078
exactly, there's a couple items you find that seem a bit out of context and then you get to the DLC and realize how much better everything would have tied inthat moment with sif though
>>334829078
Abysswalker Ring was always going to be from Sif's fight.
You can find a list of the cut content online.
>>334829832
That's just the cut content that was left on the disc, and some other things From talked about at one point or another.
>>334829896
I think it's obvious that we were going to go back in time given Kalameet's model and young witch Beatrice, but there was just no record of Artorias ever actually being in the game. Most likely they were just going to be a Painted World/Lake of Ash equivalent. Although, I believe I once heard that Lake of Ash was supposed to be somewhere else originally and they just threw it in a tree because it was finished.
>>334830162
I could have swore Artorias was supposed to be because at one point in development I thought all four knights of Gwyn were all supposed to be in the game
>>334830418
The cut enemies are all sourced as being from New Londo or Lost Izalith. No knights.
>>334830705
The cut content we know about is just the stuff that actually made it somewhat for into the game before being removed for one reason or another, that doesn't mean there wasn't other stuff they planned but never got to put into the game.
It makes no sense that you can just stroll around in the Abyss in Oolacile, but need a ring to do it in New Londo. If you got the abysswalker ring before going down to Manus in what became the DLC, it would make a lot more sense.
>>334814130
>Greirat is Phil Colins
>Leonhart is Lex Luthor
i must've dreamed a thousand dreams
>>334830162
>>334830705
Artorias had concept art in the 'Unused materials' section of the Design Works artbook so he was most likely planned to be in the game from the beginning.
>NPC face.
How about her?
>>334814130
>Hammer of the Four Knights, writhing in the dark.
Were they really going to pull another 4kids?
>>334819417
Finally fighting a true full health dragon
>>334831665
you do that in DaS 2
>>334831372
I think her crown is baked into the model, there's no face under it. It looks slightly different to the one that's equippable in that imgur album.
>>334831314
>>334831314
Here is the actual concept art which was in the Design Works artbook.
>>334831767
>>334819516
>From and Bamco did this with Darksouls II.
Is there even any proof of that?
>>334831763
>>334831372
She has whiteish corneas.
>>334814130
>Yuria's bald
I'd still hit it.
>>334831756
The ancient dragon was a dragon corpse + a soul of a giant
>>334814130
This pisses me off the most.
I made my character look like the Maiden in Black under the assumption that I could get this.
I wonder how much of this will be in the DLC
>First image is from a cinematic trailer
>Bonfires aren't corpses anymore, big whoop
>Spindly butterflies instead of dickass drakes, what a scandal
>Don't know what middle right is
>Two enemies in the game but in different locations
>Concept art
Wow from, what a fucking disaster
>>334832139
I'm talking about Sinh
>>334812019
It's really obvious they ran out of time, two rocks in Archdragon's Peak are missing textures and everything, at least on Xbone.
>>334831372
>>334831763
>>334832043
Just checked, I was wrong. There is a face under it.
MFW it'll all be reused as DLC.
>>334832583
I reloaded the area a bunch of times and always got her standing next to the wall at the doorway leading to Andre, so I couldn't get a proper picture.
Could you take another one with Depth of Field turned off?
>Crossbow created from the soul of the Executioner's chariot
fuck.
Is that who I think it is? The DLC is going to be Drangleic isn't it..
>>334828140
>That pic
All those bosses we could have in Dragon's Dogma
>>334812019
Things change in development. It's content that didn't work. It won't be in the DLC.
>>334832456
He had a spear through his body, prob weakened him a fair bit
>>334832351
Corpse bonfires would have been fantastic.
Imagine getting towards the end of the game and realizing you had used them all up.
>>334832862
Hammer heavily implies one of the DLC will be abyss 2: electric boogaloo ft. 4kids all grown up
>>334832456
wasn't full health, sinh is fucking impaled and sick
>>334819417
The return of Gwynevere. More info on people like Yorshka, Aldrich, and Pontiff. A better ending, or at least an explanation for the current endings.
>>334833113
tbf an actual healthy dragon would just fly away and breathe fire on you
like Kalameet does
>>334833524
what if both? whole das2 theme was basically "muh abyss"
>>334833543
There is a lot of speculation that Rosario is Gwynevere.
>>334832701
I hope it will. Those sets looks amazing in the files, though going from past "unused content being in DLC" it's very unlikely, since none of them got included in the previous games.
>tfw no DeS dlc with the entire beast/giant archstone having numerous enemies/NPCs finished
>>334833961
They all look extremely unfinished
>>334833961
>DeS will never get the broken Archstone
Stop reminding me.
>>334833780
Like what, exactly?
>>334814130
>The coastline stretches far in northern Drangleic. Beyond this northern sea is an unexplored continent, said to be home of things inhuman.
Huh
>>334822104
>The bell never actually tolled, that's why the lords of cinder are still in their homes
We literally see them coming out of their graves in the intro.
We literally find that Aldrich is on the move and is not where we were expecting him to be.
>Someone manipulated you into killing them so the fire wouldnt be linked, knowing that you can't link it
It literally doesn't matter if the lords of cinder die, in this case they NEED to die so the fire can be linked.
There is literally a ritual cutscene where you burn their dead ashes.
You are literally a moron.
Seems like the coming of the age of dark had a lot more significance like that giant serpent.
Too bad it's cut
>tfw no Serpents boss
Would be fun fighting several of those goofy heads with mustaches
>>334834543
Rosaria's Soul can be Transposed to get Bountiful Sunlight which has a description saying that it is a miracle granted by Gwynevere.
There's a theory that she may have rebirthed herself or simply taken a new identity. She does hide her face.
>>334834930
Do you even want them back?
They had a charming design last gen, but picture them with the graphics and style of DaS3. They'd look stupid as fuck unless they are mangled in some way to fit the tone.
>>334834962
Gwynevere is the Queen of Lothric (confirmed by Divine Blessing), and Rosaria being the Queen of Lothric conflicts with information from the Obscuring Ring about her firstborn stealing her tongue and then leaving.
Ergo, Gwynevere is not Rosaria.
>>334835148
They'd be creepy as fuck, like that statue.
All 3 of the ancient dragon fights are crippled.
>>334835148
I want to see a corpse of Fraampt. Maybe make it a slope we can run down into the Abyss.
>>334835297
>(confirmed by Divine Blessing)
Except that the Hidden Blessing description confirms that the Queen is the Handmaid.
>>334835148
Are you dumb ? Literally the 4th ending of this game is directly caused by Kaathe.
>>334835409
This is the same guy saying this in every thread, isn't it?
Jesus christ.
>>334812019
>shields and secondary sword on the back
why was this even cut
>>334835409
Stupid post.gif
>>334812019
There're so many open areas and shit that have literally nothing in them. Almost like there was supposed to be boss fights or NPCs there
>>334835360
>>334835360
thanks
>>334835462
Hey, I'm not the one trying to argue against item descriptions.
>>334831883
His sonycuck ass
>>334835297
There is no reason to think that Gwynevere is the one referenced by Divine Blessing when everything else refers to her by name and as the princess of sunlight.
>>334835649
>the queen used to visit graves
>therefore the queen is conclusively this one npc vaguely nearby some graves despite the fact that that npc has a very distinct purpose, identity and reason for being in that location that is not related to the graves
>also im just going to ignore the fact that she isn't visiting the graves to pay her respects as hidden blessing describes, because that is where she sets up fucking SHOP
>>334819417
I want to hear more about those fucking things inside Gundyr and some hollows
>>334835961
Dark Souls 1 Divine Blessing
>The Goddess of Sunlight, Gwynevere, daughter of the great Lord of Sunlight Gwyn, is cherished by all as the symbol of bounty and fertility.
Dark Souls 3 Divine Blessing
>The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, was initially revered as a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared.
Please.
Just please.
Use your brain.
>>334812019
>making a bonfire out of a corpse
>>334835961
Divine Blessings have pretty much the exact same description except they say Gwynevere in the other games.
>>334812019
DUDE LMAO DOWNGRADED HAHAAHHA
>>334836083
Well then I guess she got her tongue chopped off and took the guise of Rosaria unless you think Rosaria just magically has the very essence of Gwynevere's unique mirale.
>>334836046
Thought there'd be a lot more about that shit
>>334836397
She's not even the only character in the game who you can get one of Gwynevere's miracles from, dipshit.
Or is she both simultaneously?
>>334812328
>I am entitled to incomplete content developed at the expense of the developer / publisher
We're not exactly looking at MN9 tier scam techniques there, family.
>>334814130
>Wolnir was probably going to be a covenant leader that was later a boss like Papa Nito
>could have possibly had Gravelord covenant
>>334836083
Could be her daughter for all we know
>>334836083
the problem here is that gwynevere was married to flann and not oceiros
>>334836591
>A woman was married to a character literally at the dawn of time which means she can't be married to a new guy now
Alright.
>>334836549
Rosaria being Gwynevere's daughter? Yeah, that's totally plausible. No objections.
>>334836514
Are you talking about Soothing Sunlight? That one points to Dancer being one of her maidens.
>>334835969
>he fact that that npc has a very distinct purpose, identity and reason
Except the handmaid very distinctly does not have an identity.
>that is not related to the graves
What the fuck are you talking about? The Handmaid is ONLY there because of the graves. She's there to help those who get awakened by the bell.
>also im just going to ignore the fact that she isn't visiting the graves to pay her respects as hidden blessing describes, because that is where she sets up fucking SHOP
Except it not paying her respects. It says she wishes them good fortune. Which is exactly what the handmaid does, including helping you by selling you shit.
And really, what the fuck is your evidence? What, that she was an icon of fertility, something that could easily be inheritable? The Lothric line is all about being descendants of the Old Royalty.
>you know that part in DS1 where there's a bridge and a dragon that keeps spewing fire every 5 seconds?
>yeah
>okay, WHAT IF THERE'S NOW 2 DRAGONS THAT GUARD A SINGLE BRIDGE
>GET ME TEAM B ON THE PHONE RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>>334836746
there is nothing to suggest that gwynevere was divorced from flann
youre speculating
Yo im gonna ask it here
Can you put the souls of cinder (the things you get from the lords) on the thrones in dark firelink??????
>>334836990
>Dancer was a maiden of Gwynevere
>protects Lothric Castle
>Gwynevere involvement in Lothric Castle confirmed.
>>334837051
I admit that part wasn't that easy. But I just took some hits from the burning ground and rolled down at the sides. If you can withstand the onslaught down there, you are safe.
>>334837051
I see your DaS1 dragon bridge and raise you a DeS dragon that camped at Boletaria castle's gate.
>>334836746
Bountiful sunlight:
>Special miracle granted to the maidens
of Gwynevere
Rosaria can be a random shmuck, possibly Rhea.
>>334837051
>trying to get through that area before killing the dragons and watching my frame rate drop constantly
Legitimately one of the worst areas to play through every time.
>>334837092
I was curious about this as well. I regret not going back to try and place the twin princes there.
>>334837000
>Except the handmaid very distinctly does not have an identity.
Replace 'handmaid' with 'firekeeper' and take a moment to realize how stupid you are.
>It says she wishes them good fortune. Which is exactly what the handmaid does
Yeah, no. The handmaiden is a shady old shit who tells you outright 'I know you killed those vendor guys to get these ashes and i don't give a shit, you should know that i only care about souls by now, kekeke'
She is not a fucking kind-hearted queen who visits graves and wishes them good fortune. She is the FIRELINK VENDOR. That is her identity. That is also why there are MULTIPLE HANDMAIDS, because the one in Dark Firelink outright tells you that she is not the same one and does not recognize you. She even implies that her purpose has already passed because she's a previous Handmaid.
>And really, what the fuck is your evidence? What, that she was an icon of fertility, something that could easily be inheritable
She wasn't an icon of fertility. She was 'revered as a GODDESS of fertility and bounty'.
Not to mention the Handmaid isn't visiting. She fucking LIVES THERE. SHE NEVER LEAVES NIGGA.
Also the Queen is mentioned as having completely left at some point, never to be seen again. The graves are in Lothric. She is a known visitor of them. Being at the graves is not 'disappearing'.
>>334836990
So you look at one miracle and say 'that means she's gwynevere', and then you look at another identical miracle and say 'that means she's one of gwynevere's handmaidens'.
What is it with you people and handmaids/handmaidens? They turn you retarded or something.
>>334837092
You can't, I tried.
Seems like all the secrets have been found.
>>334837051
How easy it is to spot someone who didn't play DeS
>>334837087
>there is nothing to suggest that gwyn's firstborn liked dragons, you're speculating.
Stop.
If the lore is very blatantly suggesting that Gwynevere is now married to someone else, that in itself suggests that she divorced Flann.
Or maybe he, you know, died. Like 99% of the old gods.
>>334837051
Seriously what were they thinking?
Why do they always have to ruin Souls games with fucking bullshit?
Imagine being a speed runner and you die to that cheap ass shit.
>>334837520
One miracle says it was granted to the handmaidens specifically. English isn't hard.
>>334837782
It's easy to avoid
>>334837782
you dont speedrun blind.
>>334837673
>oh no I didn't have a PS3 I should just kill myself ;-;
I don't care mate.
>>334837852
>>334837860
>heh it's not so hard you guys am I hardcore yet? xD
Always that one fucking guy.
>>334837781
>implying they aren't the same person
>>334812019
>it's okay when From does it
When Metal Gear Solid cut one mission, people went nuts, and here they are embracing the cut content kek.
>>334812019
Why is it only bad when Dark Souls does it? You know there's a whole site dedicated to this, right?
>>334812328
This is the answer.
They announced a season pass months before launch, what did you expect?
>>334837814
the handmaidens of gwynevere specifically?
or the handmaidens of the bonfire
i dont think they were one in the same
>>334820252
epic
simply epic
you won at life breh
you cereal won breh
>>334837939
I think his point was that it was homage to DeS.
>>334814130
>dat heavy knight set
>unmelted Soul of Cinder armor
goddamn From
>>334838146
It specifies Gwynevere's handmaidens.
>>334838095
I don't think you can compare scrapping ideas that probably didn't worked to essentially cutting a significant part of the story.
>>334838053
Flann and Oceiros?
Seems kind of unlikely. Flann was a god of fire, Oceiros is a mutated Seath worshipper. If you're a god of fire then you probably aren't insecure enough to get dragon plastic surgery.
>>334837814
>Special miracle granted to the maidens of the Princess of Sunlight.
>Special Miracle granted by the Princess of Sunlight.
Both miracles are described as 'granted' by Gwynevere. Granting something implies a recipient. We already have one indication of who would be the recipient in this case. The fact that the sentence is worded slightly differently does not change the implied meaning.
Try again.
>>334837520
>Replace 'handmaid' with 'firekeeper' and take a moment to realize how stupid you are.
What? They both don't have an identity? So what?
You could argue that the Firekeeper is just a creation Ludleth, since she only appears in Firelink, but the Handmaid is absolutely a real person, since she's in Untended Graves.
>Yeah, no. The handmaiden is a shady old shit who tells you outright 'I know you killed those vendor guys to get these ashes and i don't give a shit, you should know that i only care about souls by now, kekeke'
Well yeah, this is Dark Souls.
>She wasn't an icon of fertility. She was 'revered as a GODDESS of fertility and bounty'.
Yes, because Lothric reveres the royalty as the descendants of the Old Gods.
>Not to mention the Handmaid isn't visiting. She fucking LIVES THERE. SHE NEVER LEAVES NIGGA.
Try reading the description again. It never mentions the word Visiting.
>Also the Queen is mentioned as having completely left at some point, never to be seen again. The graves are in Lothric. She is a known visitor of them. Being at the graves is not 'disappearing'.
Going to a place no one else ever goes is called disappearing, champ.
>>334838337
then the handmaiden in firelink shrine is not one of gwyneveres handmaidens
>>334821867
>The Unkindled will rise, accursed undead UNFIT TO EVEN BE CINDER
>and so it is, that ash seeketh embers
if you link the fire you don't burst into a flame explosion, you barely catch a bit of fire and then sit down slowly burning like a little flamable coal, with no kick to it, as the eclipse keeps going without giving a shit about you, you are just burning the lord souls within you, they will die out quickly just as they were before, you got tricked by Ludleth that got too attached to the firelink waifu.
