>Levelling was once an adventure which provided you with months of content.
Now you sit in your city all day, can get to 100 within a day.
>Gear meant something, even when levelling, it pushed you to raid, go into a certain instance, help others, push your PvE and PvP skills
Now everything is given to you, because it's unfair if only good players get good gear.
>Seeing someone in T3 or T6/.5 / arena gear, you look up to them, see how good they are just by their gear
Now you don't know who's wearing jack shit, no awe when getting into the city and looking at the people, spotting the good ones.
>Epics meant something great, even in TBc there was a devide between welfare epics and actual epics, everyone knew what was what.
Now you're given them via quests and even legendaries you can farm mobs for.
>Community was great, people had personal goals in same places as others had their, there was no LFG so you met people through forming groups, added them on friends list if they were good or if you had a blast with them.
Now you're just playing with what could be bots, dead silence, cross-server bullshit, everyone wearing their heirlooms.
There is no sense of reward anymore, no sense of adventure, no sense of scale, no sense of community, no sense of progression.
They have one by one destroyed every pillar that made WoW great. Why would a company do this? Literally go back on every design that made the game what it was.
Vanilla and TBC had plenty of flaws, but there is no question it was a better designed game in general.
Nost faggot quit crying
>>334808774
I didn't even play on Nost you shitposting cunt.
>>334808607
Hurr durr i watched sodapoppin cry now i shall shitpost about how muh nostalgia is great when i nevr played vanilla hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>played WoW back during vanilla
>haven't played WoW since WotLK on my old computer
>boot up my old computer
>start WoW
>old login page in Northrend still there
That was supposed to be new.
>>334808774
The only people left playing modern WoW are soccer moms, even WoTLK babies probably quit by now.
>>334809145
Only people left playing Nostalrius arenobody lol
>>334808607
A fuckton of profit changes you.
>>334808607
Leveling was an adventure because the internet was still primitive back then and you didn't understand the game
Gear was always given to you by questing or grinding enough
You see those T3/T6 people AFKing on their mount in a major city all day because they finished most of the themepark content already and are waiting for their raid lockouts to reset.
Epics used to mean poopsocking your ass off so you can gloat that you're better than everyone else even though your progress was going to reset soon as the new tier was introduced and welfare gear comes out.
Community was never great, a bunch of kids and fucking autistic neckbeards made up the majority of the community back then.
>>334808607
Every MMO gets worse over time. It's natural to any persistent game that generates revenue.
At some point they will make all the money they think they can make from people like you and shift to different audiences.
People were begging for and setting up private classic EQ servers when WoW was launching.
>>334809586
>Leveling was an adventure because the internet was still primitive back then and you didn't understand the game
More importantly because it was agonizingly slow and you had no idea what awaited you in the next zone. You valued item drops in lowbie dungeons because you were stuck with them for a while. I remember constantly making trips to Scarlet Monastery on my alliance characters because some of the gear there would last you well into your 50's.
>Gear was always given to you by questing or grinding enough
Quest gear was garbage, this was back when plate items had spirit, int and agility. Only solid gear you could grind for were AV epics, and that didn't even exist back when the game first came out.
>Epics used to mean poopsocking your ass off so you can gloat that you're better than everyone else even though your progress was going to reset soon as the new tier was introduced and welfare gear comes out.
>vanilla
>welfare gear
This only happened a month or so before TBC came out. You had to be a part of a 40man guild to get any notable epics, r12+ pvp gear was in a way even harder to obtain.
>Community was never great, a bunch of kids and fucking autistic neckbeards made up the majority of the community back then.
Confirmed for never having played vanilla on a highly populated server.
Leveling was an adventure exactly once.
>>334809586
Nice try, Blizzdrone.
>Leveling was an adventure because the internet was still primitive back then and you didn't understand the game
Yes, being new is definetly an experience, but even then it took you a while and you encountered many players in a fucking MMORPG, making it more fun. Even the unbalanced and shit nature of vanilla was great because of this.
>Gear was always given to you by questing or grinding enough
Were you trying to make a point here? My point was that gear MEANT something, there was a sense of reward and progression, because it took you time and in some places skill to get it had more value than just the fucking stat, and other people recognized it.
>You see those T3/T6 people AFKing on their mount in a major city all day because they finished most of the themepark content already and are waiting for their raid lockouts to reset.
After doing months or even a year of content to just get there, there was no fast gear unless you got boosted which few people did. So even if they finished and AFK'd they went through so much content, and had content still to do. Nothing like today.
>Epics used to mean poopsocking your ass off so you can gloat that you're better than everyone else even though your progress was going to reset soon as the new tier was introduced and welfare gear comes out.
>implying
Yes, it did feel good to have the gear, but you also you could progress to the next tier of raids, help people, aim for more gear, there was a progression ladder always. And the new tiers took a while to overcome in vanilla so your old epics actually meant something, so much more content ahead and not just sitting in a city all the time waiting for the raid, or questing to get same gear that people actually grinded for with their guild.
>Community was never great, a bunch of kids and fucking autistic neckbeards made up the majority of the community back then.
Your assumption fallacy aside, so what? At least there was a fucking community.
>>334810191
>>334810315
jesus fucking christ, move on with your lives already.
>people still care about the text colour of their gear
lmaoing at your life
Vanilla was literally made to take as long as possible so they could squeeze as much monthly subscription money out of people, but people addicted to skinner boxes don't realize it.
>>334810559
this
why else would leveling be so slow in a game that has NO low level content to speak of other than fetch quests?
>>334808774
Holy shit this picture. I needed a good laugh, thanks
>>334810559
>implying
Did you know they had 100 quests on launch and had to add in so many more because the players wanted it?
That the development was led by player demand mainly but based on good decisions regarding what to listen to?
Raids are meant to be difficult, the progression is meant to mean something because it's an MMO, the shit part was the drops in 40m raids, that I will recognize your point for, it could have been handled better. The game was much easier than previous MMO's still so to even argue against WoW is kind of silly. They could have went the Ultima route or anything else, but WoW was the first easy MMO, and that was back in fucking Vanilla.
>>334810651
The beginning game content was supposed to be just as relevant as the endgame
now it's all exclusively endgame focused. That's right, you pay the full price plus expansions plus subscription to play like 3% of the actual game now
>>334810559
Back then everything in WoW was fast as hell in comparison to other MMOs.
It was designed to be a faster and more accessible EQ.
>>334810749
>Did you know they had 100 quests on launch and had to add in so many more because the players wanted it?
That's completely fucking bullshit
>>334810651
>why else would leveling be so slow in a game that has NO low level content to speak of other than fetch quests?
The questing was shit tier, but that's due to shitty quest team working on it and perhaps the engine, I don't know. No excuses either way, but there was plenty of content, especially regarding dungeons, reputations, crafting.
>>334808607
Move. The. Fuck. On.
Stop paying a premium to be miserable. FFS.
>>334810559
Vanilla was actually quite fast when compared to other MMO's back then, it also didn't punish you for dying. In any other MMO you'd lose all your XP you gained that level.
>>334810781
True, but EQ followed the same formula as WoW. Make leveling take a eternity and space out content through time gates such as grinding for gear or reputation so you can finally get enough gear to the content instead of just getting gud at the game itself. It's designed to waste as player time as possible so they can make $15 every month from those people.
>Now you sit in your city all day, can get to 100 within a day.
You mean your garrison. No need to go to the city anymore.
>Now everything is given to you, because it's unfair if only good players get good gear.
Except this is completely untrue. You can't do Mythic through LFR.
>Now you don't know who's wearing jack shit, no awe when getting into the city and looking at the people, spotting the good ones.
Maybe you don't know what people are wearing, maybe you just lost touch with the game because of all the changes, so the new armor sets hardly interest you. I get that transmog can cause confusion, but you can always just use an addon to analyze people as you hover over them.
>Now you're given them via quests and even legendaries you can farm mobs for.
I don't see how this is bad. The game has changed, we're playing on a much grander scale against much stronger foes, you think the heroes of Azeroth are going to show up wearing god damned blues and greens?
>Now you're just playing with what could be bots, dead silence, cross-server bullshit, everyone wearing their heirlooms.
There have always been bots. I agree with the silence though, but then again most chats weren't all that great to begin with. ex: DID SOMEBODY DAY [THUNDERFURY, BLESSED SWORD OF THE WINDSEEKER]?
Cross server shit is indeed bullshit, just merge the servers god damn. Also heirlooms.. I'm neutral towards them, because they're entirely optional. With the amount of streamlining you don't even need heirlooms.
>>334810983
>when compared to other MMOs
yeah when compared to Korean grindfest treadmills
>>334811039
>[THUNDERFURY, BLESSED SWORD OF THE WINDSEEKER]
>BLESSED SWORD OF THE
>SWORD
Leave
>>334808841
Its inevitable Anon.
As soon as anyone posts about how WoW used to be better your automatically assumed to be butthurt about nostalrius.
Yeah Blade, sue me.
>>334811162
Anarchy Online had a much longer and tedius grind and punished you for dying, keep in mind max level was around 200-220).
WoW was also streamlined in the sense that you could do virtually everything solo, nearly every other MMO back then required you to group up to get anywhere.
I really hate how WoWfags try to heavily push the point that Vanilla WoW was good and the only MMO that did many things right when it didn't, it ended up killing the entire genre all because they followed a post-legacy of steel Everquest game design model.
>heading through STV on my 60
>see a guy getting ganked by an enemy 60
>I better stop this ganking!
>victim of the gank was a night elf hunter named Legoiasxxx
>target enemy 60 undead warlock
>/cheer
>leave him to it
So has the word "Nostalrius" become synonymous with "disliking anything related to retail?" Because it seems we can't go one WoW thread without someone pointing out something they don't like about WoW without shitposters spouting Nost all over.
>>334808607
>Seeing someone in T3 or T6/.5 / arena gear, you look up to them, see how good they are just by their gear
Am I the only one who didn't give a fuck about what other people were wearing? I was usually more concerned with my own character.
>>334811451
>you could do virtually everything solo
is that supposed to be a good thing?
Vanilla had problems, sure
but for every problem retail fixed, it added 2 new ones
>>334811529
You're not talking about true WoW fans
you're talking about a hundred thousand sweaty pirate server guys who think their opinion matters compared to a few million players with active subscriptions
>>334811579
kek
>>334811592
There was a lot less crying before that server got the banhammer
Another day, another 20 WoW nostalgia threads.
>>334811598
Nah you weren't the only one. I don't really understand this whole hero worship thing people had for naxx raiders in vanilla.
Sure I respected their dedication to the game and their skill, but I wouldn't stop in IF to stare at some cunt in T3
>>334811601
I guess, I was just pointing out that a lot of things in WoW were made significantly easier for the player to advance through the content quickly, rather than padding out the grind like other MMO's of the time did. The whole discussion goes back to this post >>334810559
>>334811775
2004 was 12 (twelve) years ago
>>334811529
> what was at one point not only the most played MMO ever, but the most played video game in general, that spawned countless other copycats, killed the genre
>>334811980
That doesn't mean that there should be so many threads about it, especially when its the same shit every time.
>>334811992
No one was going to copy vanilla, there were going to copy Wrath to get their numbers.
>>334811658
> true wow fans are the ones that embrace whatever retarded idea blizzard has next without ever voicing complaints
I have a different word for it, cuck
>tfw waiting for another server to take Nost's source code and continue the project.
>Don't want to roll on Kronos or other servers in the meantime.
I'll give them a month or two before I just roll on a Wrath server.
>>334812201
Stop trying to force your fetish, faggot.
>>334812156
>there were going to
>>334812201
>cuck
>>334811529
The only reason that happened was because TBC and WoTLK were such a massive success that every other developer and publisher tried to make the next big "WoW-killer" MMO, blame the people that tried to make those soulless cash-grabs instead.
>>334812156
I still fail to see how spawning more games is killing a genre you blabbering fucking idiot
>itt: I'm a fat retard whose first MMO was WoW when I was like 12 years old and easily impressed despite it being extremely mediocre in every way except UI and accessability
>>334812286
A small typo, so what? Still doesn't change what I said. No one gave a shit about vanilla when making their clones and cash ins. They wanted the meat of Wrath.
>>334812353
When those are all worse games that barely last months, it will kill a genre. Especially when people see that casual, dumbed down content sells better than meaningful content.
>>334808607
I recently started playing Vanilla in Kronos, and its just a casual laid back leveling process. I turned the music off and just listen to podcasts or watch youtube videos on one monitor while I level on the other one.
Its not engaging, and its not exciting. That is okay today, but it wasnt okay back then. There is a reason things got more involved in the later patches and expansions.
Look up that "paladins are for porn" forum post, it was absolutely true in vanilla. You needed 10 APM to play.
>>334812262
what's wrong cucky, the bull cucked you up with the bbc gene?
>>334812597
Shouldn't you be in school? Maybe the other children would appreciate your memes.
>>334808607
>>Levelling was once an adventure which provided you with months of content.
>FARM THIS NODE
>KILL THESE GUYS
>KILL THESE GUYS AND LOOT THIS DROP
>GO HERE
such dynamic, adventurous gameplay fampai
>>334809586
>Epics used to mean poopsocking your ass off so you can gloat that you're better than everyone else even though your progress was going to reset soon as the new tier was introduced and welfare gear comes out.
You obviously didn't play vanilla you were continuing progress you needed that gear to progress and if you were in a fresh guild there was no catchup epics. You weren't skipping MC,BWL,AQ to go into Naxx. You were doing MC and working your way through the content. All 4 major raids were relevant until vanilla ended. You only needed to poop sock if you were doing naxx at launch during progression and for world first. Even early into BC raid guilds were still using T3 and other raid epics, the power creep was not so fucking huge like it is now that is completely invalided all old gear.
To add to this one of my biggest gripes to welfare gear is how devalued legendarys. YOU GET A LEGENDARY, YOU GET A LEGENDARY, EVERYBODY GETS A LEGENDARY.
Thats not what they were ever meant to be they were supposed to be that extremely hard to obtain weapon that very few people had and they showed in stats and appearence, most were BiS and thunderfury in particular was used well into early BC progression until blizzard nerfed the proc to stop people from using it. They were even too fucking lazy to make a model this time and made the most disappointing legendary ever a fucking ring. Even the cape in MoP had cool models.
Now with legion and artifact weapons everyone gets a free legendary that will probably be better than anything you get in raids with upgrades. I like the concept of upgrading a weapon and customizing it but its still going to feel wrong.
>>334811808
I would stop and salute to only one person, the guy who rung the gong in AQ on my server.
>>334812556
>There is a reason things got more involved in the later patches and expansions.
huh? later expansions just tried to make everything seem epic and make every quest be part of a larger story (WoTLK) that didn't make them any more engaging than they were in vanilla, you just got tired of the formula you've been playing for years.
and that pic is from TBC, not vanilla
>>334808774
I'll be using this in the future.Without your permission.
>Levelling was once an adventure which provided you with months of content.
For the first time. Every character thereafter you just look up Joana's guide and drone away.
>Gear meant something, even when levelling, it pushed you to raid, go into a certain instance, help others, push your PvE and PvP skills
Gear didn't mean shit when, unless you were a rogue or a warrior, didn't make your abilities scale at all.
>Seeing someone in T3 or T6/.5 / arena gear, you look up to them, see how good they are just by their gear
I still do that today since mythic gear has different visuals and people are inclined to keep does visuals instead of transmogging them out.
>Epics meant something great, even in TBc there was a devide between welfare epics and actual epics, everyone knew what was what.
The last 10 spots in our guild, from MC to AQ40, were pugged. Any shitted on /2 could get epics.
>Community was great, people had personal goals in same places as others had their, there was no LFG so you met people through forming groups, added them on friends list if they were good or if you had a blast with them.
Community was as shit as it is today and I didn't add anyone to my friends list just because they were leveling in the same spot as I was (which I hated because it means I leveled slower). My contacts all came from the fucking realm forum board.
>>334812556
Jesus f. Christ. That fucking pic
>>334812717
T3 epics were replaced by TBC questing greens fairly early on though.
>>334808607
>try raid finder.
>nobody talks
>nobody says anything
>people leave people join
Was I playing with fucking robots?
WoW killed its own community.
>>334812556
Fuck you I want my 15 second seals back
>>334812975
That's BC for you.
>>334812717
>Now with legion and artifact weapons everyone gets a free legendary that will probably be better than anything you get in raids with upgrades.
Sure, because there aren't any weapon drops in Legion
>>334812053
That says a lot about the cultural impact of the release though, despite what the contrarians may want to think about it.
There is a reason why WoW became synonymous with addiction back in the days of vanilla. It's not nostalgia goggles warping the players' memory about the experience, that's how it actually felt back then. Vanilla was like heroin.
12 years is a hell of a long withdrawal length. Give the game some credit for that.
>>334813007
>try to get a group for heroic sethekk halls, shouting in trade and lfg chat
>people whisper me "inv" and say "hi" when they join
>finally get a group together
>they say absolutely nothing for the entire dungeon unless it negatively affects themselves
community was shit then and shit now.
>>334812717
>Even early into BC raid guilds were still using T3 and other raid epics
lolwhat, no they weren't. The fucking outrage over T3 being replaced by questing greens was huge and hilarious
>>334813007
do you believe raid finder is a substitute for actual raiding? Oh whew, lad
>>334808607
Its all true. I've played every wow extensively through every expansion. Vanilla and TBC were the peak of enjoyment, and its not just because of nostalgia goggles.
>>334812906
>The last 10 spots in our guild, from MC to AQ40, were pugged. Any shitted on /2 could get epics.
>pugging BWL and above with randoms from /2
You're full of shit.
Guilds that had BWL / AQ40 on farms were either too busy progressing in Naxx or were selling lower tier items (2-3 slots per raid) to shitters that had to pay out the ass for them in gold, rest of the spots were reserved for alts and a few mains that actually carried the raid.
And this only happened towards the very end of vanilla, nobody pugged 40mans back then, this is something you only see on private servers.
>>334813153
No doubt that WoW was a large cultural phenomenon. A large amount of people played it, even if it was just a log in or two. I'd say that people were more addicted to the game in BC/Wrath, mainly because that's when the word of mouth started really kicking in and people started getting hooked or getting their friends hooked. WoW really was a hell of a drug all the way through.
I just don't think that there should be so many threads about one topic since a large majority of it gets reposted to hell and back. But then again, one faggot can't police the place.
>>334812854
Cooldowns on abilities, trinkets were reduced, more active items were introduced, you needed more APM to level up and there were more group quests and quests leading to dungeons, less quests requiring a 10 minute gryphon flight.
More interactive, more involved.
Also the name of the image was a joke, the background clearly shows its TBC.
>>334808607
This isn't the game's fault, and it isn't companies' faults (at least not completely). It is gamers' faults.
People dont want to read quests. They want quest finders.
People dont want to learn strategies. They want a wiki to tell them every single stat/gear they need.
People dont want challenging quests. They want to do 20 at once and turn them all in for another dopamine reward when they ding.
Companies make games shitter because that is what people want. Even when they constantly say they dont want it. For instance, many new amazing and complex games have come out over the years and almost all of them have low sales and die out quickly. While the mindless farmville type games rake in millions.
TL;DR: Games are shit cause people are faggots.
>>334813432
And you're full of shit since there were multiple guilds that did that shit together since it was damn hard to get 40 people on at once for several hours.
>>334812053
nah, i'm just nostalgiaing
i want to be young(er) again
WoW's community 'died' because a bunch of retards think raid finder is equal to an actual raid.
You used to have to be social to raid. Now you have to want to be social to raid. And the community would rather queue into a raid and say nothing than be social and join a raid guild for actual raiding.
The community is dead but it's due to its own anti-social choices.
>>334813820
This. Every time I see some nostalgiafag bitching about the lack of community in current WoW, I can only assume they're some gigantic faggot who refuses to actually try and join a decent guild.
>>334813575
That's why you had massive guilds, a GDKP system, raid schedules and everyone had to apply for membership and go on a trial period.
You didn't pick up 10 random scrubs from the trade channel to go down C'thun, get fucking real. If you had the time, gear and willingness to raid you were part of a raiding guild. Guilds that had to swap members to fill in gaps sooner or latter either merged or disbanded.
>>334808607
Did people actually enjoy fucking leveling in Vanilla WoW? I remember everyone wanting to rush to the level cap so they can do the harder dungeons and maybe one day raid.
I cannot recall anybody being excited to grind 12 boars or receive a 2+ strength belt.
>>334813474
>one faggot can't police the place
I was just about to respond with saying you don't decide what threads are made. People want to talk about what they want to talk about, and you really don't need to be in this one thread of dozens on the board.
It's on topic, and there's discussion. There is literally no complaint to be found about a thread like this.
Sodapoppin got to level 100 in 4 hours 17 minutes, then another 2 hours to get full ilvl 710 gear. The game is a complete joke
>>334814225
To level 100 from level 95?
>>334814096
i hit 60 on nost two days before blizzard's jihad was announced, and it was the best gaming experience i'd had in a very long time, comparable to when i first started playing late-tbc. so yeah, it's slow, but it's very entertaining and immersive
>>334814225
Sodapoppin is also an autist, so who cares?
>>334814330
No dude he went 1-100 in 4 hours 17 minutes
>>334814330
He used xp flasks and heirlooms and such.
The game is almost 12 years old and most people have leveled dozens of characters by now. Do you really still want the leveling process to take ages?
>>334814225
>>334814562
The leveling process is 90% of the content in the game.
MMORPGs are not supposed to be a race for lategame.
Fuck, I wish the lategame meme would fucking die. The whole game, from level 1 to 100 is important. I want more level 15 dungeons, more level 30 dungeons, a fucking level 30 raid even.
how many hours played did it take to go from 1-60 in vanilla?
>>334814096
Yes, I enjoyed it. But it wasn't just quests that made it enjoyable, it was a combination of mobs being a lot more difficult along with original exp thresholds before you would level up. In this sense, quests actually had value and were rewarding upon completion. It was actually possible to die, and multiple times at that, before level 10. The struggle was real and was a reward unto itself.
The one thing I didn't like was how there were frequent lack of quests between certain levels and how you had to roam two or three areas to find quest hubs; this was particularly bad around level 20 and again at level 30 to 40.
>>334814705
Took me about 10 days /played on my first char. Started playing the day WoW was released.
>>334814072
Not the guy you're arguing with but you were either a special snowflake or you're making this shit up. There were maybe a handful of guilds that raided that hardcore. People weren't as elitest back then. I was like 14 so I didn't join a raiding guild and remember joining many guild raids that had 25-30 guildies out of 40 spots. Unless you played on a high pop server (lol implying there were any) you HAD to PUG. Or you just sucked it up and only brought those people, do-able for MC and Ony.
>>334814705
world record was 4 days 20hrs; would take the average player a couple of months
>>334814671
Themepark MMOs since EQ have always been a race to the level cap so you can actually do the content that has meaning. Grinding wolves, doing fetch quests, and low level instances so easy that bots can complete them is not the real content, think of it as filler.
>>334814671
Ok.
But if I want to raid with an alt I don't want to spend hundreds of hours leveling him just to enjoy the endgame content.
>>334814705
12-15 days /played on average
I had close to 20 by the time I leveled up my first character.
>>334814852
Level 1 wolfs should have some howl that reduces your attack power by 2, some bleed that does 1 damage ever 3 seconds, shit like that. Make it at least seem like a fight.
>>334814096
getting a green weapon pre 10 was the greatest feeling
fuck you
>>334814225
Who?
>>334814671
>The whole game, from level 1 to 100 is important
Sure, it is.
But for the vast majority of people, they're going to be spending most of their playtime at max level.
Is this really so hard for you to understand? That people want there to be shit to do once they're at level 100? This isn't a single player RPG, you don't fucking drop the game once you've got to the level cap
>>334814898
That's your problem, the game shouldn't cater to a fucking loser who wants to raid on another character that he's too lazy to level up the same way as his main.
Seriously go play another game, mmos aren't for you.
>>334814802
>>334814913
wow that's like nothing. Took me and my friends at least 25-30 days of playtime to reach 1-60 in FF14
>>334808774
100% accurate
>>334815168
As someone who plays FFXIV the leveling process is complete garbage. Go shill somewhere else you faggot.
>>334814225
He must have bought 27 conquest tokens from the auction house to get that 710 gear. In the end it's just trash PVP gear so who cares
>>334815323
MMO leveling is garbage in all games, but at least FFXIV goes the extra mile to make old content and zones relevant while leveling instead of WoW's ghost town themepark model.
>>334814671
>The leveling process is 90% of the content in the game.
but that's obviously wrong because once you finish leveling all you have is endgame content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w
GONE ARE THE GLORY DAYS
>>334815496
Once you finish leveling you can level another character, doing other quests in other zones, then play the other faction, with their quests, leveling the different professions, etc.
End game should not be where all of the developer's focus lies.
>>334815478
>go teleport to this zone and talk to this guy then teleport back and use this potion
Yeah man I'm so captivated by the game world!
>There are non-TBC multi-glads in this thread
literally don't know why i talk with you scrubs
>>334815604
or you could not attune to the aetheryte retard
>>334815595
But most people don't give a shit about leveling other characters
People who just enjoy leveling characters are a very small part of the playerbase; the vast majority prefer hitting max level and doing endgame content with friends
>>334815670
>tbc pvp
>good
>>334814705
>>334814802
>>334814913
i got 2 lvl 60 in liek, 2 days
then i was up against this noob warrior and his rogue buddy and i mind control'd the warrior into teh lava, adn this rogue is such a noob he liek doesnt even have liek a stunlock build and he cant even out dps my renew so i start beating him down with my glowing brightwood staff
so here i am just tankin this rogue like tis nothing wehn teh warrior comes back so im like OOH YOU WANT SOME SHADOW WORD PAIN YEAH YOU LEIK MY SHADOW WORD PAIN NOW SOME MIND FLAYS OOH YEAH
but hey i pwn noobs so tahts just my wow experence
pic related its me playin wow for teh first tiem at my frend daves house
>>334815734
>people who play this game which only focuses on endgame prefer endgame
Yeah, no shit. The ones who want an interesting leveling process arent playing WoW, because it doesnt offer one.
>>334815817
if you weren't a glad in S1/2 you were a scrub.
You have to do it on hardmode too(i.e non-resto druid, MS warr or warlock)
>>334815905
>rogue
>hard mode
>tbc pvp
>good
>>334815841
The Gadgetzan episode was one of their best
>>334815905
>if you weren't a glad in S1/2 you were a scrub.
S1-3 was nothing but MS warriors and pillar-humping resto druids, such skill
>>334815891
So if you acknowledge this, why are you complaining that a game focusing on endgame content is catering to people who enjoy endgame content?
WoW is not going to totally reinvent itself to cater to a bunch of autistic kids that can't play one character for more than 10 minutes.
>>334815817
I agree.
It was literally just rogue priest/war druid/rmp in tbc.
Pvp was good and fun, arena and class balance though was non existent (until MoP-WoD.)
>>334815841
pwned desu
also kyle is super ghey
>>334815841
Kyle is a fag
>>334816018
I said I think MMOs should focus more on leveling.
You took personal offense and went on a crusade against me.
We ended up here, where you are simply retreating into WoW, ignoring the possibilities of different games existing.
>>334815168
The one thing that game did good is that it lets you level every class on one character and switching between them is one button press away, instead of logging out and making dozens of alts and going through the crappy tutorial zones again.
>>334816037
Cata had good PVP
PVE items were too good but the class balance was the best in the history of WoW. Rogues, Frost Mages, and Ferals were just a little bit too good but almost every spec in the game was viable in either RBGs or arenas.
Then MOP came and ruined it all by giving everyone 3 burst cooldowns, 5 defensive cooldowns, and 6 ways to CC.
>>334816146
Saying "The leveling process is 90% of the content in the game." is not stating an opinion
>>334816059
>>334816075
i no rite kyle is such a noob dat even randoms on teh internet kno hes a toal noob
>>334808607
>Now you sit in your city all day, can get to 100 within a day.
Wrong unless you're using the best XP flasks, recruit a friend. Not even with full heirlooms can you get to 100 without that
>Now everything is given to you, because it's unfair if only good players get good gear.
Again wrong. Most of the free gear which is handed out is pure fucking garbage compared to the raid sets and powerful trinkets available. Those things add ridiculous amounts of DPS over a shitter with free gear
>Now you don't know who's wearing jack shit, no awe when getting into the city and looking at the people, spotting the good ones.
Challenge mode item people standing around in the cities are usually the best players
>Now you're given them via quests and even legendaries you can farm mobs for.
Not in current WoW. Maybe in Legion
>Now you're just playing with what could be bots, dead silence, cross-server bullshit, everyone wearing their heirlooms.
Heirlooms (except for trinkets) aren't really much better than what most players have equipped. In some cases they're far worse like throughout BC and WoTLK. Unfortunately LFG became necessary as finding groups started to take hours as the amount of overall dungeons increased. I won't apologize for LFG existing at max level though, that is plain wrong.
>>334816321
My opinion is that this is a fact
>>334816303
No, and neither is it a lie. If you count the number of quests, models, mobs, area of dungeons, area of the areas themselves, number of items, etc, most of them are found before the max level.
>Tfw nothing will ever compare to the majesty of walking through the dark portal and entering Hellfire Peninsula for the first time
People miss the community and grouping up with people more than they miss the actual game. If you care about grouping up to take down leveling quests or world bosses then FFXI private servers, 07Runescape, classic Everquest, and other games still exist and are alive with players.
>>334816490
This
People miss the relationships they made in vanilla. The game mechanics were abysmal.
Nothing will recapture your teenage/college years where you had too much spare time. You are not that person any more. You can never go back. It's time to move on.
>>334816620
I'm still that person. Love most video games still and I got tons of free time. Pretty great.
>>334816490
I wouldn't recommend OSRS to anyone. Much less to people who care about quests since while it will get MM2 it's unlikely to get a single new quest for the next two years.
>>334815106
It would seem that MMO's are no longer for YOU now.
>Scarlet Monastery squished down to two wings from 4
>Shadowfang Keep butchered
>Deadmines Butchered
>The very first dungeon in the game, Ragefire Chasm, is now filled with orcs wearing what appears to be incredibly powerful armor
>Blast through with 5 assholes who dont even have helms and shoulderpads yet
What were they thinking?
>>334819409
Don't forget the worst two.
>Stratholme separated into two instances.
>Scholomance stripped of most rooms down to a linear corridor instance.
>>334819881
Strat was basically always two instances in the first place. I think I did the first half maybe twice, ever.
>>334815841
This brings me back. What is Jeremy and Kyle doing these days?
>>334819881
They didn't butcher Strath in the process though, it's otherwise unchanged and just added a distinction players already made
>>334816004
>forgetting frost shock spamming shammys
For shame.
>>334808607
hello sodapoppin
>>334815537
repoted to youtube for homophobia
no need to thank me ;)
the thing that pisses me off with vanilla is the gear you craft with professions
i was playing a warrior and took up blacksmithing to make my own gear along the way
get plans to a cool new weapon
has an insane amount of shit i need to gather to make it
would be faster, easier to just run a dungeon and get a weapon from there that would be just as good if not better anyway
>>334810381
Maybe they just liked the game
>>334822770
I will always remember those blew tailor shoes that you can make at level 20 and trying to get that shit together.
>>334823081
>blew
Holy fuck, blue. This is what I get for just waking up.
>>334822770
Yeah some of the recipes in vanilla were just atrocious. I can understand the endgame stuff since that was what everyone was aiming for, but some of the blues for like level 20 to 30 were just ridiculous.
>>334808607
that's what happens when you listen to the community
Loved TBC and my favorite thing about the game was leveling through 1-60. It was fun.
>>334808607
You're obviously a neckbeard with a nigger-tier brain.¨
If you do not protect your IP in a court of law, the trademark for your business will cease to be active if you do not take a legal stance.
Also, if they were to create legacy servers alot of current live players would switch to it resulting in the shutdown of a majority of the live servers. Which means that they have to transfer every character on every account of those players who played on them.
It would also get old really fast and same bitchy comments would come about the; Buggy bosses, easy bosses, diminishing returns not existing, debuff limit, buffing, autistic crafting, not enough quests, endless grinding to actually get out of MC, etc.
Also, take off your rose tinted goggles already. Vanilla WoW was not good, will not ever be good and was only good due to the fact that we started playing it as kids. Now we have discovered the game and know EVERYTHING there is to know about the game. You can not "regain the sense of the adventure" when you have already explored everything. Faggot.
>Decided to resub
>Know it's going to not be the same, buut just want something to grind out to waste time
>Rolled a healer to just face roll through LFD quickly
>Just had an heirloom decked out group wipe on first wing strath because the tank wasn't holding aggro, and the DPS were pulling extra
Jesus fucking christ, they can lower the bar as much as they wont it'll never be enough
>>334824186
>If you do not protect your IP in a court of law, the trademark for your business will cease to be active if you do not take a legal stance.
That's patently not true
IP laws aren't that dumb yet
>>334824186
You can easily regain a sense of adventure when there is actual danger and threat of dying in the world. Currently I can be underleveld and self heal through 3-5 mobs at once because lol aoe
>>334822770
weapon drops were a mistake
>>334824515
thank god they got rid of them in legion, huh
>>334824581
>You dont even roll for gear in WoD, it just hands it to somebody
The playerbase are literal toddlers now, lol
>>334824354
I do not think you got the nuiance. Blizzard HAS trademarked thier IP which means it is.
>>334824446
Killing 1-2 mobs at a time in vanilla, "dis iz hard guiz".
>>334824814
I don't care about LFR and pugs, though, lol.
>>334824856
>Killing 1-2 mobs at a time in vanilla, "dis iz hard guiz".
What did he mean by this? Actually.
I still enjoy questing 1-60. Anything after that is just a chore i dont feel like doing.
Old azeroth zones are the best, too bad Cata fucked them up.
>>334808607
>Leveling provided months of content
Maybe if you were completely new to the MMO genre but leveling an alt took like 7 days of /playtime if you knew the optimal questing route and played a leveling spec like MM Hunter.
>>334825008
Your implication of difficulty stems from you making mistakes and pulling more mobs you can handle. Faggot.
>>334825004
THe only way you can do dungeons leveling up is LFD, NO amount of spamming trade chat will get enough people to run dungeons with.
>>334808607
yes op we know it was 6 years ago when cata was launched
>>334825170
Well the fact that you couldn't just aggro the camp and faceroll meant that you had to me more tactical about how you pulled mobs to kill. Meaning that to at least some extent leveling required your brain to be turned on. Now you don't even need any brain power for dungeons.
>>334808607
Remember when you could go into Zul'farrak and farm those two 1handed swords? And if you were lucky enough to get both of them you could then combine them into a crazy 2hander?
Has Blizzard done this anywhere else in WoW? I stopped seriously playing in Wotlk so I may have missed it, but this was back in Vanilla. I remember it being one of the first obtainable epics a player could get outside of BOE world drops.
Do DPS and Healers even have to worry about managing their threat levels while leveling in dungeons anymore?
>>334825613
No, threat is a thing of the past.
>>334825613
No, literally not whatsofucking ever, tank pretty much has to hit each mob with an AOE and they are on his ass forever. Tanks are basically DPS that also take the damage now
>>334825780
>>334825810
Damn, not even casual MMOs like FF14 are THIS bad.
>>334825613
>>334825810
"Threat management was hard"
Vanilla a meh.
TBC a best.
>>334825908
>implying you could tank a heroic raid, let alone a mythic
>>334825908
the active mitigation system is way more engaging than the threat system ever was, though
>>334808607
>all these people complaining about leveling
is leveling really the problem with modern wow? Sure, leveling was fantastic in vanilla, but do you really want to go through the same zones again and again? The problem with modern wow is the lack of endgame content and the "good kind" of grinding that makes what you get feel like an huge reward, in vanilla even after you cleared every possible thing you still had world pvp going on all the time, and getting things felt long but extremely rewarding.
>>334809586
>2004
>Internet was still primitive
Nigga what. Thottbot existed if you wanted to look shit up.
>>334826207
>Tankbuster occurs at X amount of time
>Use Y cooldown to mitigate it
Wow so hard, especially since people these days have tons of visual and sound indicating addons.
>>334825613
>get invited to blow theough dungeons with random shitters
>some blood elf warrior faggot as tank
>i continually pull aggro off him and he dies constantly because healer sucks
>he continually runs off when dps are being butt fucked
>my pet ended up tanking most bosses and mobs
>found out he wasnt even using defense stance or a fucking AoE to hold aggro
The only way threat is relivant is if you have a retarded tank. Blizzard could give every tank a passive aoe taunt and their toddler fan base still wouldnt be able to play.
>>334826620
>implying, once again, that you could tank a heroic or mythic raid
>>334826812
>warriors
>having an aoe to hold aggro
lol
>>334826620
If it is as you imply, easy to do, please link your mythic HFC achievement armory.
>>334826930
>what is thunderclap
>>334808774
fpbp
>>334808607
>good players
That term has a funny definition in MMO games.
>>334827010
>what is an ability on a cooldown when dps shitters decide to just spam their aoe or focus fire something you're not targeting
>>334826019
>Just because it wasn't strictly difficult means the complete absence of mechanics is ok
Yeah sure buddy
>>334827004
I'm not a cuck who bought WoD
>>334827596
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
>>334810278
Having to group and coordinate to beat something was always an adventure, even if you already knew the place and enemies.
>>334827004
>Poster thinks something is dumb easy
>So clearly, he wasted his time grinding through MMO timegates to get "cheevos" he doesn't even care about
>0.05 cents has been desposited to your account
>>334827745
>Poster thinks something is dumb easy
>has literally never experienced it and therefore has no idea if it is in fact dumb and easy
>>334827696
Feel free to explain in detail how mythic raiding as a tank is something only a elite group of people can do.
>>334827709
Honestly it really wasn't. Getting a group together for deadmines on my second character was a chore.
>>334808774
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/128252-a-short-history-of-activision-blizzard-or-how
>>334827824
>Implying we are obligated to check to see if a turd has magically become unshit every few years
When are Blizzard going to cave? I can't keep up posting about this for much longer I think
>>334827960
Roughly never
>>334827745
>implying i even play live WoW
>implying he has moral high ground on what constitutes as an efficient/meaningful use of time/energy.
>>334827960
Why cave? They have plenty of retards who pre-purchased Legion.
DUDE
GRINDS
LMAO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Falm0H7VEiQ
This is what the design of the game used to be
Now it's "let's make WoW as much like Diablo 3 as possible"
>>334808607
Man I'm playing on a private server right now.
Today I wanted to do RFC as a healing shaman. I can heal 7 times before I'm oom.
I contacted an alch from the guild to make me 19 mana potions and stock up for these RFC runs extending it to 11 heals.
I gave him silverleaf that I bought from some guy from general chat that was stashing them in his bank for god knows why.
I can't wait to run RFC and heal as a level 13 shaman. Upgrade the gear, and maybe heal early WC if i can get some good caster loot.
The run is going to take hours. It's going to take skilful pulls, CC, and communication.
>>334828359
PoleGround?
>>334828359
>taking hours to run vanilla RFC
That sounds like fucking hell
>>334828359
are you using the lower ranks of your heal? generally it's better to use the rank below your highest rank of healing spells
>>334812998
No they weren't. You didn't replace T3 in TBC until the 65+ dungeon blues. Hell, some of the set bonuses were good enough to keep using them into Karazhan.
>>334828359
>mfw i remember running WC in vanilla
man. half the trouble was actually getting to the instance portal in one piece because the rest of the group was already inside
>>334808774
>I turned the music off and just listen to podcasts or watch youtube videos
Why would you even play Vanilla if not for the nostalgic soundtrack?
>>334828719
Even worse if you were an alliance player on a PvP server. Good times.
>>334813153
Gotta admit I was one of those people that were addicted in vanilla. It never affected my school life like it did with my friends, but I was jonesing for it every minute I wasn't playing it. I remember waking up at fucking 5am just to get in a few hours of WoW before school. Then I'd go to school and think about the game and talk to my friends about the game and then I'd do my homework on the bus ride home so I wouldn't have to interrupt WoW. As soon as I got home I'd play it until I went to sleep and then repeat the next day. There probably wasn't a single day from 2005-2008 where I didn't play WoW.
>>334828467
>>334828563
>>334828719
>Being this new
ech
>>334828924
I bought the game on release. My first character was a troll hunter.
RFC is the worst fucking dungeon I've ever seen. Less time spent there the better
>>334827824
I did heroic raiding in MoP and active mitigation is a joke with all the addons people have at their disposal, in addition to the amount of ability pruning they did to WoW.
Every boss is scripted to operate on a timer/HP threshold. After a certain amount of time or boss HP has been reached, the boss will do a scripted attack. It could be a boss mechanic, a tankbuster, or whatever. There are addons like DBM and others dedicated to telling people when and how to react to these scripted attacks. Boss is going to enter next phase after 25 seconds? Better pop my defensive cooldown to get ready for the mega cleave. Even without addons this shit is so predictable if you pay attention to the fights you are doing.
WoW bosses all follow scripted patterns and as a tank they are designed so even casual players can follow these patterns with addons or without addons. Tanking in a MMO like WoW is a fucking joke even at a high level. It's actually more difficult to find people who share the same time schedule as you, gear item level, and actually have the will to raid than it is to do the actual fucking raid.
>>334828923
i remember playing some AV in the morning before school, and then getting home and hopping back into the SAME AV match that was still going.
>>334828467
It feels a lot better than gently rolling my face on the keyboard for 12 hours to beat all the content in LFR.
And this way I actually meet people get to know them as a back drop to the shit going down in the dungeon.
See people always complain, "Oh Vanilla WoW takes sooo long to level"...
Why the fuck do I want to level?
I'm getting raid-level progression and experience at fucking level 13. Vanilla WoW was great because it had everything an MMO needed to have through the whole game.
Retail for some reason seems to have made 1-99 some sort of extended 'tutorial' that you breeze through over 12 painful hours or so. To get to the 'real' content... and by real content I mean actual progression and skill requirement.
>>334829127
>I'm getting raid-level progression and experience at fucking level 13
What. Is this really how deluded nostalgiafags are
>>334808607
Oh boy, this thread. Again.
You sat in your city all day when you got to Level 60 anyway.
No, it isn't. You still need to work for your gear. In PvP you will get absolutely fucking wrecked if you aren't geared.
Transmogging is superior to clowngear.
You got epics via quests in vanilla/TBC/wrath too.
This is true for leveling via dungeons.
You're a crybaby nostfaggot that's mad because vanilla wow, which was DESIGNED TO BE an absolute timesink (perfect for NEETS like you) is gone and Blizzard doesn't want to cater to you. I personally think they should open legacy servers so faggots like you can go through vanilla, do ALL of the content like I did years ago, and then fucking move on.
Also if you retards didn't screech about your stupid chink server on every single WoW-related piece of media ever it wouldn't have gotten shut down. but that's all vanillafags are good for anyway. Being loud and obnoxious.
>>334829082
I never liked RFC to be honest. It's lazy, boring, and doesn't make sense from a lore perspective.
>WAAAAH TIME SINK
>WAAAAH IT PLAYS ITSELF
>>334829279
RFC was miles better than the shitheap that was stockades
>>334829082
not disagreeing with you, in fact you only strengthen my argument that the game was shit back then.
Go sign the petition, then
>>334829087
While all of that is true, MoP bosses in 10m heroic hit like a wet noodle. Most tanks didn't even need to be healed because they were so self-reliant.
You cared way more about cheesing vengeance and dealing the most possible damage. Your job was not just about tanking the bosses but also be the best damage dealer. I kinda liked that.
>>334825581
That and I remember Ench shamans going crazy about Ironfoe.
As a ret pally I loved my trusty TUF.
>>334829124
Hotaru a shit.
>>334808607
I'll never understand what fuels people to make the exact same thread every day, multiple times a day for over a decade.
>>334818575
This is the hidden /thread post.
It perfectly sums up most of the thread in just 11 words.
>>334818575
He probably should tell those kids to stop using their mobeel phones too.
>>334829708
they arent sane anon
>>334829594
It was loads of fun. I loved playing my BrM and being able to tell my healers they straight up could ignore me and keep themselves and the DPS alive because I could easily rotate cooldowns and self heal enough to not die for literally minutes straight on most bosses.
Probably never going to be that way again.
>>334829426
Nah, at least in Stockades there were some decent items that would last far longer than sub lvl 15 crap, plus it was fairly quick to run through if you didn't fuck up.
Although, out of all Vanilla dungeons, Scarlet Monastery was probably my favourite, especially Armoury.
>>334826019
Post >YFW doing heroic Shattered Halls timed run as a warrior tank
>>334816490
eh i wouldn't play runescape if you want to group up, it has always been extremely solo-oriented and most things become less efficient in a team
>>334830417
SM is without a doubt the finest set of dungeons in wow
library and armoury were fucking amazing. i think with levelling i would have to force myself through 1-30 but once i hit 30 it was plain sailing, because i loved the dungeons from that point on
>>334830417
>at least in Stockades there were some decent items
Stockade bosses didn't actually drop any proper loot. You relied on BoE drops.
>>334808607
>Now you sit in your city all day, can get to 100 within a day.
I was just playing for about 6 hours and I got from 91 to 92 1/2.
I wish I could hit 100 in a day.
>>334829264
>You got epics via quests in vanilla/TBC/wrath too.
I don't know about Wrath but the rest is complete bullshit, epic quest rewards came from completing objectives WITHIN THE RAIDS and most involved extremely tedious reputation grind to exalted within a faction.
>>334808607
The biggest memory I had back in 2006 vanilla WoW was tons of epic geared level 60's AFK in Stormwind on their mount or next to a mailbox all day long. They pretty much never moved unless it was raid time.
>>334830915
Shit, you are correct, my memory's hazy after all these years. I do remember RFC being incredibly dull, especially compared to Deadmines which was my first Alliance dungeon.
>>334831175
Fucking this. They all clung to the bank roof and mailbox like snakes warming themselves in the sun until they were raiding.
The game is the same now as it was back then.
People just want their first experience back. Go give yourself a concussion you nostalgia fags.
>>334831453
Except now you afk in your garrison and you don't see any other players at all.
>>334831594
no one is forcing you to afk in your garrison though
>>334831814
Where am I going to afk? In someone elses garrison? You fucking idiot.
>>334832020
in a major city like everyone else still does on a non dead server
