> The new specs mean that there’ll be two types of PS4 games available: those that can run on any PS4, and those that take advantage of the newer console’s extra power. Rather than divide the market, the report says that from October 2016, every single PS4 game that’s released must have a “base mode”, which would work on older consoles, and a “NEO Mode” for the new machines (which would put stuff in 4K, etc). Developers wouldn’t be allowed to make “NEO-only” games, nor could they “separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN.”
>The NEO wouldn’t replace the current PS4, but “will exist alongside of it and use the same user environment”. And while there’s an October deadline for NEO-compatible releases, that doesn’t mean the new console will be out that month.
>Finally, for games that have already been released, older titles can also create “NEO mode” versions if they’d like, they just have to go back in and release it as a patch.
So is there any reason to buy a Wii U, Xbox, or PC anymore?
>>334801360
>So is there any reason to buy a Wii U, Xbox, or PC anymore?
Ya, if you actually want some games to play
>>334801405
Upvoted
>>334801360
My pc is more powerful than this
>>334801479
Yet you will never ever be able to play Bloodborne in delicious 4k
This is more like PS4.0.1. Those upgrades aren't worth shit
>>334801513
and you think you will?
>>334801513
>shame on you, you can't play 1 good game, while you can play thousands on your pc
>>334801405
>PC
>Xbox
>games
>>334801513
At a silky smooth 10 frames per second.
>>334801360
Who are you quoting?
>>334801479
And all it has in Undertale and literal cancer games. This is good news for gamers.
Who is this even targeted at? Every game in PS4 library except Bloodborne looks like a PS3 or even PS2 game.
>>334801360
This is still to weak. They will only manage to play games at 1080p and 30 fps while they will sell it as a 4k machine topkek
>>334801610
Just because your PC has 10fps dosen't mean PS4k will have it to.
>Developers wouldn’t be allowed to make “NEO-only” games, nor could they “separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN.”
So why would they bother spending all the extra development dollars on making two versions of the same thing? Everyone will just make a base mode and claim production costs as the barrier to making neo upgrades.
Neo owners will get downgrades from console spec to non-neo console spec.
Damn thing's dead in the water.
>>334801673
What?
>>334801690
This. They discovered the fact that they won't be able to make a 4k machine with these specs, so they renamed it "ps4 neo".
>>334801673
>>334801739
Fucking hell I meant to say "MY PS4 library".
>>334801609
Nintoddler spotted
>>334801360
Wow, my PC from 2012 is more powerful than this piece of shit
>games will have two different graphic settings
wow... amazing
how does Sony do it?
>this
>4k
My ass.
And I bet 2 years in 'Neo only' games will be allowed.
>4k
https://www.thebroadcastbridge.com/content/entry/2547/as-4k-begins-a-shaky-launch-japan-aggressively-pushes-8k-video
Lmao.
What's the whole fucking point of this 4k-8k shit.
TVs look the same already from fucking 10 feet.
>>334801360
>Dwarf Fortress will never be multithreaded
>individual processors will never break the 4ghz barrier
I just want to mine. Fuck multicores.
>>334801815
Shhh... the consumers don't know that
>>334801745
Did sony ever say that the ps4-whatever could run 4k at any point or call it ps4k?
>>334801360
>911 mhz
what did he mean by this?
>>334801869
DUDE CONSPIRACIES LMAO
>>334801847
that damage control
>>334801979
So any evidence to refute what I said or are you going to just sit there and meme.
>>334801705
Not necessarily. For example, the Last of Us assets such as textures were created as highest possible quality, then downscaled for use in PS3. Then higher quality versions were able to be used for PS4. Game assets aren't shitty first then completely redone from scratch to be made to look better. 3D model sculpts in general are always created with high quality and are baked onto lower poly meshes for in-game use.
Game development would largely be the same, with the Create assets -> Downscale for realtime game use process. Now they just have to downscale a little less for the PS4 neo.
>>334801705
It's the other way around you faggot, developers will eventually start saying 'this only works on neo' because their bullshots can be slightly better, It's going to be like phone software, locked to only the few latest generations after awhile
Wouldn't this just mean they'd make the base games borderline unplayable, and the NEO ones would be the proper experience? We're talking like just barely 15-20 FPS.
>>334802561
That's a real risk. It happened with Hyrule Warriors on the 3DS, and to last-gen ports like Shadow of Mordor on the PS3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WhvpMzkGY
Yeah this worked wonders for the NEW 3DS and its...5-ish(?) title support.
We should do this again
>>334803310
Keep in mind on the N3DS the games only work specifically for the machine, so why would people bother developing for it? On the PS4 it would be a Hyrule Warriors situation where it runs on both but the performance is unplayable on an O3DS while the N3DS is somewhat playable.
>>334803404
I'm talking more broadly, Monster Hunter, Codename STEAM and the like.
Games will run ok on Neo(shitty name) and bad on the original ps4
What's with the massive spike in read/write of memory? Has RAM improved that much over the last year or two?
>>334803831
Most likely a typo
>>334801785
Uuum uuhh SONY SHOLL SPOTTED! SONYGGER!
Got'em.
>>334801513
>he paid 1000 ameribucks + PSN tip to play the same game twice
top kek
>>334803891
Polaris GPU uses HBM memory. It's been available for a while on PC.
>>334804151
>>334803831
It's a typo.
It's 176 GB/s to 218 GB/s.
>>334804151
That's not HBM though, that's still GDDR5 which does 200ish Gbit/s per chip all day long. Either the OG PS4 had an incredibly shitty implementation of GDDR5 or the table simply has a typo
>>334801360
>Shit on your existing customers
>Create extra work and unnecessary complexity for Devs
Good job Sony.
>>334804302
It's literally ok when Sony does it.
>>334804302
>>Shit on your existing customers
But every PS4 game is still playable on a base PS4?
>>Create extra work and unnecessary complexity for Devs
Its not that much work to include performance options in a game.
>>334804257
Multiple typos, actually. It's Gb/s.
post yfw games will run even worse on the regular PS4
>>334804302
It's literally ok when Nintendo does it
>New 3DS
>>334801360
>those specs
TOP KEKAROONY!
PS4K confirmed for still not being able to games in 1080P@60fps
>>334804431
Better go upgrade that console goy.
You wouldn't want to be left in the dust, would you?
>>334801360
B-but nintendo did the same with N3DS! WHY DOESN'T ANYONE SEE THAT SHIT, IT ISN'T FAIR!!!1
>>334804440
Nah all I see is bitching with that thing it's not ok when Nintendo does it.
>>334804402
>But every PS4 game is still playable on a base PS4?
Will it be like this for a long time? They can just change their minds and start creating PS4.5 exclusive games using the excuse that it can't run on the older systems. And what doesn't say that the PS4 versions of the games will run like shit since devs will focus on the PS4.5 version. desu they should've just waited a few more years and release PS5.
>>334803213
>action game
>maintains a silky smooth 18 fps
I don't see the problem it brings out the cinematic features more.
I can't wait for when they'll announce that you need a PS4k to play with PSVR at tolerable resolution and fps.
>Developers wouldn’t be allowed to make “NEO-only” games
>we are aiming for 30 fps
>in reality it will be 25
>on the old model it will be 15
>b-but it's n-not like we prevent them from playing it 15 fps is much better than 30, it's more book like.
>>334804402
>But every PS4 game is still playable on a base PS4?
It will still divide the community and completely undermines the purchases of their entire install base.
>Its not that much work to include performance options in a game.
Horseshit.
It increases the workload for fucking everyone, artists, programmers, QA, tech support, producers...literally everyone.
>>334801360
>IT'S IK WHEN SONY DOES IT
Bravo
Can someone tell me why? Why are they doing this? What's the purpose? Why didn't they just wait 2 years and make a PS5?
>>334801360
>twice the Gpu
>That would be aquivalent of GT 970
>Still using netbook cpu
>Somehow 400 bucks only
Lol who is believng this bullshit?
The Cpu would bottleneck the Gpu so hard and the overall price is way too low for the specs you get
>>334804860
>Its not that much work to include performance options in a game.
>Horseshit.
>It increases the workload for fucking everyone, artists, programmers, QA, tech support, producers...literally everyone.
PC is a mistake confirmed
>>334804857
That's what I fear. It'll be like Hyrule Warriors on 3DS. Over time devs will shift their main focus to NEO and will dedicate less time to the optimization of the older PS4 ports.
Sad thing is people are already praising Sony. Before that most people were shitting on them, but now that they found that there "won't be" a NEO exclusive games they're lapping it up.
![635879922145863404-1586278599_money-background-images-uongflup[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7s1D8ar.jpg "635879922145863404-1586278599_money-background-images-uongflup[1].jpg")
>>334805023
>>334805023
I suspect PS VR is having serious problems on the current hardware.
>>334801798
that's complete madness It will NEVER work
>>334805023
money?
>>334801360
>>334801513
>>334801690
>>334801692
People actually believe that this console will manage 4k at a high framerate. Holy shit.
Two 980tis in SLI don't even manage 60fps on 4k in many games. It's rare that a new game performs that well and actually looks good.
And that hardware combination costs 4 times as much as this new console.
Get real.
>>334805023
Money. They'll release PS4.5 around Christmas or early next year and PS5 a few years later.
Funny how pc fags buy shitty graphics cards for 300$ and they don't mind it
Funny how Nintendo released a console with upgraded spdcs and exclusive games and people here didn't mind
it's only wrong when Sony does it
>>334805071
It doesn't matter that much since they still have to design the games around the CPU of the original PS4. This way the only thing they can get is better graphical fidelity. Games that are 30fps on the original console will be 30fps here aswell because of the CPU, the only thing that changes will be resolution and eyecandy.
>>334805259
*Nintendo released a handheld console
>>334805259
It's still a dick move. Just because someone else does it doesn't mean it's a good thing and others need to follow their example.
>SONY IS LITERALLY BUILDING A DOWNGRADE MODE INTO EVERY. SINGLE. GAME
Absolutely glorious.
>>334805259
>people here didn't mind
rite
>>334805071
>PS4
>GT 970
this is what sonyggers believe
Uh, if there's 4K, it's just for video playback,
Games will not be 4K. That's just nuts and unnecessary, and not in line with the current market, or even the market 5 years from now.
The improved specs are clearly aimed at achieving better visual fidelity, and will allow for muh 60 fps and 1080p on everything. And people will still complain. "Now it looks perfect, but the games are shallow and shit. Fix please."
They're using the upgrade model, because people are ok with it. Phones make that painfully obvious. Old "slim" systems made that obvious. If they can keep the price point within $50 of the current model, people WILL upgrade.
Will I get it? Not unless my PS4 bricks.
>>334801360
It's only bad when Nintendo does it huh?
BUT PS4 IS A BEAST! IT'S ALREADY PERFECT!
>>334805259
PC gamers know what they're getting into, it's the nature of the beast.
This sort of bullshit has no place on consoles, generational transitions are fine, but this mid-gen upgrade nonsense is total horseshit. It does nothing but hurt consumers.
>>334805707
WELL SAID MY FRIEND
BUT NOW THEY WILL PATCH (DLC) BLOODBORNE TO GO @25FPS
>>334801360
>>334801786
>>334804493
>>334805374
FEDORA WEARERS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>334805259
That's because PC let's you upgrade individual pieces as you want to get exactly what you want out of things. It's not comparable to consoles where you are locked between what are essentially pre built pc's. PC games also let you set graphic options and in some engines the difference between low and max settings is drastic. My laptop is old as fuck and can run some games like Stalker because the dev's happened to optimize the game well, there is absolute no chance for someone with a PS2 to even attempt to run a PS3 game or a PS4 game, even if the PS4 game is a port of a PC 2d indie pixel game. Your only choice is to get a shit port with whatever preset graphic options the devs decided you wanted, so you can't choose yourself how much lower you want to tank graphics in exchange for framerate.
>>334801705
>So why would they bother spending all the extra development dollars on making two versions of the same thing?
Because the dev makes a whole separate version of the game you're playing when you bump the graphic levels up.
>>334801360
So rather than fucking consumers they are fucking developers, which means they have to pay those developers extra because none of them will make the same game twice for the same market share as ps4 had before.
Sony really does want to die, dont they.
>>334804860
Doesn't undermine it. That's like saying new non backwards compatible systems undermine their prior iterations.
It's an upgrade option, and an enticing one. Look at all the bragging on a board like this. Imagine elsewhere?
>workload
It's easier than optimizing a game for PC, that's for sure. I imagine it will be a toggle much like low - med - hi, letting you choose low settings to get that extra competitive edge in multiplayer.
>>334805023
Because technology hasn't developed far enough to justify a PS5.
>>334805707
Is it sad that I don't know the logo on that hat?
>Sony claim games will be 60fps and high quality
>lied
>now claiming 4k and 60fps
>
I own a PS4 and even im not stupid enough to fall for this shit
>>334801360
>my eight year old computer is better than this
Jesus
I absolutely cannot believe that EVERYONE on /v/ is too fucking stupid to ALREADY FUCKING KNOW that the PS4 can't output 4K video since it lacks a physical slot capable of doing so, and the "4K" part of the "PS4K" ONLY refers to video, such as for example Netflix.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE that any real game will output in 4K. Not a fucking chance. I am willing to bet it's not even a consideration on the table. The changes regarding resolution are ONLY for video streaming to 4K TVs. Jesus H Christ.
It's entirely possible that games will be made to run better if they choose to take advantage of the new hardware, but NOT above 1080p. If we take the New 3DS as a benchmark, there will be very few games that make any real use of it.
>I trusted Sony AGAIN
>after the ps3
>after the vita
>I bought a fucking ps4 and they fucked me over AGAIN
NEVER AGAIN. THIS IS THE LAST TIME THEY GET A PENNY FROM ME
REEEEEEEEE
>>334806052.
Lorne Lanning already tore them a new one on gameinformer over it and developers don't seem happy on twitter. Last time a big spec leak like that happened, it was the "Durango" leak that became the bone so something's happening behind the scenes that has really fucking pissed some developers off.
>>334805872
Market has changed. People spend 600-800 bucks on phones on a whim, and upgrade the next year.
Mid generation or new generation, it doesn't matter. Theres no need for a huge leap to a PS5, when the only upgrades you'll detect are framerate and resolution, which will be achieved with 4.5.
Don't forget it will be optional and not required. Much like phone upgrades. For people who care about visuals, yeah, they'll bite. For people using it as an indie machine? Won't care.
>>334806251
It'll play booray at 4k. Not a chance it'll play games over 1080p though. Unless its Pacman or something.
>>334806251
>PS4 can't output 4K video since it lacks a physical slot capable of doing so, and the "4K" part of the "PS4K" ONLY refers to video, such as for example Netflix.
Actually, the PS4 is already capable of outputting 4K video and photos.
>>334806274
The best option now is to wait until a new console is announced and buy the old one since then you'll be able to get it cheap and the games will be quite cheap too. That is if you want to play the games the console has to offer.
>>334801479
A decent PC is almost always going to be more powerful than the current console run, anon.
However, the PC is largely ignored by the bulk of video game developers because it doesn't tend to net them as much profit as consoles do. Oh, they still get sales, but rarely in the number that they get on consoles at full launch price unless they are a new game in an established series and even then the sales on consoles if a console variant is released (which is most of the time) tend to be so much better that the PC is not going to the be the focal point.
So, why talk about sales in a performance post? Simple. The people who make games are going to ensure that the system that is going to net them the most cash up front is going to get the best experience and the game will be optimized for that system first then they will work on the next popular system and so on and so forth.
PCs being non-uniformed means that developers and designers aren't going to be able to get the most out of them because they have to release a product that can function within in a certain range of requirements
A console? They know what everybody has, what they can dump resources into at a set maximum, and therefor tailor make an experience.
Since they can't do that with PC's, those get little attention compared to the items that usually net them far more cash right off.
A good example of this in action is Arkham Knight. A decent gaming PC should blow a PS4 and Xbox One out of the water in terms of performance, but it played so terribly bad on the PC because it wasn't made for that set-up in mind that it had to STOP being sold on that system.
How come it performed so badly on a superior platform? Because PC is an after thought that most developers do not take seriously.
Generations of pirates, people who only buy games on the cheap on Steam, and now with the return policy on Steam have made developer leery of putting any significant time and resources into a product for PC.
>>334801360
You really think devs gonna make extra work so their game looks better on one platform? they dont even go the extra mile to make games look better on pc.
>>334806416
it can't do netflix at 4k which is normalfag central
>>334805640
>>334806251
Exactly. Wtf is wrong with you kids? The 4K will be video, NOT gaming. And the obvious perks of an improved system means performance upgrades for games, but NOT IN 4K!
>>334806596
I'm surprised you keep thinking some of this won't be for games when we keep getting reports that it will. Not saying it's for sure, but why keep denying it?
>>334806570
they will run fine on ps4k and worse on regular consoles
that's how business work
>>334806346
>Market has changed. People spend 600-800 bucks on phones on a whim, and upgrade the next year.
No they don't, they change plans. Outright sales of new phones are a tiny, insignificant percentage of the overall sales.
>>334806596
They've already said games will scale output to 4k. No game will run at 4k, but it will be able to display at 4k resolutions.
>>334801847
No, Sony's official claim has been that they wanted an upgrade to make games that use VR to run more smoothly. The current PS4 can play them, but not as well as they liked and it tends to bog the system down somewhat and the improved system will allow it to not have to work as hard to play VR titles making the games smoother to play which is a big deal when people already complain of disorientation when using VR for too long.
They never claimed 4k support, it was something that industry felt they would do as a given and shat on them pretty hard for not including something they never said they were going to include in the first place because they wanted it for their new TVs.
>>334806321
Good. Developers shouldn't have to put up with this shit and bear the cost of extra development for no gain on their end.
PS4k wont increase their sales, why the fuck should they pay for it in the long run?
>>334806795
Not the same thing at all
>>334806795
Do you have any idea how blurry a 1080p game looks upscaled to 2160p? This neo shit is the VR push, nothing more.
Remember all those DSi games?
No, of course you don't.
so
>400 dollars ps4k
>400 dollars psvr
>100 dollars camera + move
>1 game at 70 dollars
total
>970 dollars
CONSOLE ARE CHEAP GUISE
>B-but you have to upgrade PCs every few years
>Sony releases updated console that still has pitiful specs
Sonyggers on suicide watch
>>334806883
They don't need a new PS4 for PSVR games to run though. Its why the thing comes with the break-out box.
>>334806934
Theoretically there's no additional development cost though. All the new one requires is them to flip on more shaders or lighting. In theory its similar to graphics options being available on PC games
>>334806994
Yeah, I'm aware.
>>334807000
It doesn't matter. If they can say their games run at 4k its a selling point. 360 games didn't run at 1080p, they ran 720p upscaled, but you didn't hear them saying "featuring 720p visuals" did you? They don't need a new SKU to push PSVR, see above.
>>334807005
I remember DSiWare though
>>334805326
Yeah, pretty much- if RAM or CPU had too much variance between them it would be difficult to develop in such a way that you took advantage of the Neo while not breaking the PS4 version. Programming for varying levels of GPU power is (relatively) simpler, since it's just a matter of altering rendering resolution/AA/etc.
Though I'd imagine whether there'd be a difference in FPS is dependent on if the base PS4 version's FPS is CPU-bound or GPU-bound.
>>334807005
>implying Foto Showdown isn't the shit
>>334801360
So we're Neo-/v/ criticizing neo-PS4?
>>334806668
Because it won't be worth it?
There is very close to zero market for 4K gaming at this point in time. People who buy 4K TVs? Super Bowl fanatics. Income tax spendhards. People who get spoilers and spinning rims on their cars. A.k.a, non-gamers.
The only overlap is with people who have expensive PC rigs and want to brag. They probably don't care about PS4, because it is "beneath them" and "of the peasants."
And then there's price. PS4 did well because of it. They can't make a new upgrade and have it exceed their original launch cost, unless they can justify it with a 2TB hard drive.
>>334807005
Face Training: Facial exercises to strengthen and relax from Fumiko Inudo
Foto Showdown
Ghostwire: Link to the Paranormal
Picture Perfect Hair Salon
System Flaw
>>334807083
no wonder the Japanese just play mobile stuff
>>334807083
Don't forget the PSN subscription so that you're allowed to use the internet
lel
>AMD GCN
PS4 uses GameCube GPU
LOL
>>334801360
I'm seeing so many contradictory rumors about the PS4K and NX that I don't just gave up. Give me E3 already.
>>334807312
Most PS4K reports seem consistent though
>>334807005
the games will run better on the PS4K you fucking doofus, that's the main appeal, not exclusive games
>>334807312
vegeta is the ps4k
goku ssbkaiokenx10 is the nx
>>334807380
There will be no exclusive games for PS4k.
>>334807458
are you from the future
I find it funny that Sony hasn't denied these rumors like Nintendo has with almost every NX "leak"
I also find it funny that even though Sony just got over 40 million PS4s they are willing to not only split that fan base but alienize it only because it worked for Nintendo with a handheld game.
Is Sony retarded or is the media retarded?
>>334807083
>>1 game at 70 dollars
Where the fuck do you live? If you have a friend you can just get all games at half the price, though it they're digital of course. So if a game costs $60 at release, you can get it at $30.
>>334807116
>Theoretically there's no additional development cost though. All the new one requires is them to flip on more shaders or lighting. In theory its similar to graphics options being available on PC games
PS4 doesn't have that capability built in the SDK though. It's all bespoke and customized settings. They would have to go into the game and redo it with more QA costs as it's not the PC version. That's likely what developers are pissed about as more than likely Sony doesn't have an SDK option to flip settings and it means they have to spend twice as much QA time on the game for an extra SKU just for a "Looks better" version.
>>334805895
>non fedora wearers on suicide watch
>>334807532
>>Is Sony retarded or is the media retarded?
the only retard here is you
the ps4.k will sell another 40 million units, making sony even richer
>>334807489
>Sony seems committed to keeping the NEO and the original PS4 player bases connected. As such, there will be no NEO-only games, and Sony will not let developers separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN.
No but I know how to read.
>>334807532
They're not splitting the userbase.
>>334807458
my point was exactly that you dipshit, they point of the ps4k is that the games will run better, not that it will have exclusive games, but >>334807489 raises a good point, who's not to say 2 years down the line we get a new game that will only run on the ps4k, no one can guarantee that
>>334807458
Yes, good goy, keep on believing. Games on the older PS4 won't run like shit too.
>>334807532
The fact that they haven't said anything confirms that all of this bullshit is true. What's even more sad that people are already praising Sony by saying how based they are.
>>334807615
Its unreasonable to assume they don't have an option to allow for graphics settings or something for their SDKs if they're this far along in development on it. There's absolutely zero reason for them not to, it'd only draw developer ire which isn't something they can afford to do.
>>334807160
You can actually tell by the fact that some games had better framerate on the graphically inferior Xbox one, which simply had a slightly higher clocks on the CPU.You can also tell this way which devs have been shitting on PC development the most over the last decade this wayYes you Bethesda you fucks
>>334807634
How are they not splitting the fanbase?
They are potentially offering a device that will perform actions that base PS4s can't as well as splitting developers dev time to make a base mode and neo mode.
>>334807203
Xbox fat introduced paid Internet gaming back in what, 2003?
PS+ has so many perks. I don't need it to game online on my PS3/Vita. Discounts, games, etc..come on man. This fee has been around on Xbox forever, and if you play games you get your money's worth on any platform. It's entertainment and there are maintenance fees, and servers up kept by humans.
ATMs charge me money to remove my own money, out of "convenience fees," even though those machines cut the jobs of human beings, which saves money for that company.
Stop whining.
THANKS SONY!!!
NOW I'M GOING TO BUY AGAIN AN SDK!!!
>PC
Sadly OP that I work from home and use my PC anyways. I know you are in /v/ and assume we only use PCs for gaming.
10/10 made me answer a troll.
>>334805102
Hyrule Warriors is a weird situation since it was a port of a game that was built for significantly more powerful hardware. And more generally speaking, ports are cheap so it's not a huge risk to make one that only runs (or only runs well) on your "premium" SKU. An original AAA game pulling the same shit (and it would have to be original, as games that have minimum/target specs significantly higher than the base PS4 basically don't exist at the moment) is an entirely different ball game.
Really, we've seen this all the time in previous generations- even when more powerful hardware exists on the market, developers will just about always build their multiplat games primary to run well on the platform with the most sales and only take advantage of the power of the stronger but less-popular platforms if they can do so easily. Outside of maybe the games that were moneyhatted for GC/XBox first and came to PS2 later you rarely saw games that ran like ass on the PS2 because they were built around the other two consoles' higher power. And 360/PS3 multiplats frequently ran worse on the PS3 despite it technically being more powerful because optimizing for it was such a pain in the ass that it wasn't worth the effort. And of course, games that are clearly gimped on consoles because they're designed around PCs with $200+ GPUs happen once in a blue moon. I don't think the Neo will be any different in that respect, even if it's made by the same people as the "lead" platform.
>>334807804
1. The NEO PS4 can't do anything base PS4s can't do, and they're not allowing developers to split the playerbase for online functions.
>Likewise, Sony explicitly and repeatedly states that developers cannot offer exclusive gameplay options or special unlockables for NEO players—so don’t expect NEO owners to get a level editor or a special Rocket League car that you won’t have access to on your original PS4
2. As I said here >>334807784 there's simply no way that they're asking developers to simultaneously develop 2 versions of a game. Sony can't afford that kind of developer pushback.
>>334806052
Sony has the biggest install base for their console. By far.
If they say it has to be included, devs won't have a choice but to include it or lose out on all those millions of casual PS4 gamer sales.
Sony won this console generation and they know it, so they are abusing that fact to get what they want out of developers.
Almost an R9 390 in the PS4K!
Greatness await #4ktheplayers
>>334807083
Fixed four you:
>400 dollars PS4
>400 dollars PS4.1
>400 dollars PSVR
>100 dollars camera + move
>1 game at 70 dollars
Total:
>1370 dollars
Consoles are very cheap :D
>>334807634
And you know how to eat shit up. Do you actually believe them? I own a PS4 and I'm quite mad. Do you also think that devs will spend their time and money to optimize both versions? They'll just focus on the newer PS4s.
I also can't wait for Bloodborne 2 or The Last of Us 2 exclusively on NEO. Oh, and can't forget those online games. I imagine people on NEO will be able to play at a stable framerate ( I hope) while others with older PS4s will be playing at a shitty framerate which will put them at a disadvantage.
>>334804440
>comparing a handheld to a home console
wtf is this shit, I don't want be like some xbone loser
>>334807954
>What is backtracking?
>What are PRs lies?
All those games that came out in the past recent years, sure haven't been downgraded. I'm also quite happy that Team Ninja said there won't be DLC for DOAX3 even though DOA5 was already re-released multiple times and has DLC for like $1000+
>ahah, stupid PCucks have to shell out hundreds every year to stay up to date
>can't wait to spend hundreds on this!
pottery
>>334807954
Rather than divide the market, the report says that from October 2016, every single PS4 game that’s released must have a “base mode”, which would work on older consoles, and a “NEO Mode” for the new machines (which would put stuff in 4K, etc). Developers wouldn’t be allowed to make “NEO-only” games, nor could they “separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN.”
>every single PS4 game that’s released must have a “base mode”, which would work on older consoles, and a “NEO Mode” for the new machines (which would put stuff in 4K, etc).
How is that not splitting fanbase and dev time?
>>334807784
It's known for a while you can't flip settings on the PS4 SDK for your executable. It's locked in for the final executable and everything has to be created bespoke for the game in the first place because the machine and SDK isn't capable of auto configuration (Especially since it's not a greatly powerful machine and needs the executable to be optomised). They are asking developers to make two versions of the same game from the ground up. That's what seems to have made some developers pissed
>>334808002
>>334808191
>How is that not splitting fanbase and dev time?
If new games still work on old PS4s, there's zero split to the playerbase; every PS4 game still works on every PS4. There's zero way to split a userbase if everyone can still play the same games.
>>334808228
Then you have to expect that to change as this comes closer to launch. There's no reason to presume they'd put that much onus/time/money on developers without at least making new SDKs or some kind of help program to ease the transitions along. They can't afford to piss off every developer making games.
>this system will potentially be able to run shit at 60 fps
>yet games are going to be locked at 4k or whatever and have even less fps
>users won't be able to change this
Why is PC the only platform where game devs trust the users with simple graphics settings?
>>334808381
And Dev time?
>>334808381
did you not notice the two instances where you used 'if'
>>334808381
>Then you have to expect that to change as this comes closer to launch. There's no reason to presume they'd put that much onus/time/money on developers without at least making new SDKs or some kind of help program to ease the transitions along. They can't afford to piss off every developer making games.
They are the market leader. What can devs do other than just make two versions?
>>334808403
Some first party Sony games come with limited graphics options. The only reason it isn't in more games is because console owners don't care. If it was something they asked for or expected more often, it'd get added more.
>>334808473
Read my second reply
>>334808496
>If new games still work on old PS4s, there's zero split to the playerbase
>There's zero way to split a userbase if everyone can still play the same games.
I'm not using "if" in the way you're assuming I am, idiot. They've already stated they're not splitting the playerbases, I'm not sure how much clearer it can be made.
>>334808527
They can tell them to fuck off and not make 2 versions and keep on making a single version. The developers get to write Sony's checks in this case. Sony can't sell consoles without some number of games, and Sony can't have those games if they piss off developers.
>>334801360
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bmmqLk
Reminder to consolefags that more cores =/= more performance unless the game takes advantage of those cores. And most games aren't multithreaded.
>>334801513
You guys will be lucky to be playing PS2 shit in native 4K.
>>334808680
>They can tell them to fuck off and not make 2 versions and keep on making a single version.
>every single PS4 game that’s released must have a “base mode”, which would work on older consoles, and a “NEO Mode” for the new machines (which would put stuff in 4K, etc).
>>334808008
>comparing underpowered, outdated hardware
Seems like an apt comparison to me.
>>334808680
>They've already stated they're not splitting the player bases
Yeah, in the form of a leak. Also, people change their minds, you know?
>>334808403
>yet games are going to be locked at 4k or whatever and have even less fps
Did you actually read the GB article? One of the things they specifically stated was that the Neo build had to run at least at the framerate of the base PS4 build. And they didn't say that 4k was required.
If anything the most likely outcome is that devs will take the cheap way out and the Neo version will run at 1080p, but with slightly higher effects/AA and (assuming the base PS4 version's framerate is GPU-bound, at least) a better framerate. I think the only third parties you'll see going for 4K are the more tryhard AAA devs and smaller devs like Gust and Marvelous that can do so easily because their games are already punching well below the PS4's weight (due to them still having to scale down to PS3/Vita.)
>>334801360
>no source
>all rumour
>no one questioning the complete and total lack of source
/v/ is so fucking stupid.
>>334808726
>Reminder to consolefags that more cores =/= more performance unless the game takes advantage of those cores. And most games aren't multithreaded.
Console games have been multithreaded for about as long as consoles have had multiple cores (PS360 era.)
>>334809292
There's way too many rumors about this, and it's in several websites.
>>334809360
You mean like the NX pad? how people kept leaking that and /v/ was screaming it's legit?
>>334809292
They have multiple independent sources and they've got documents that outline some specifics about the hardware and how its used.
>>334809432
The patents that were "leaked" are in fact real patents, yes.
Glad to know that it's ok when Sony does it.
Sony always wins baby!
>PC GAMING IS SO EXPENSIVE YOU HAVE TO BUY EXPENSIVE UPGRADES
>OMG SONY WHEN CAN I BUY YOUR COCKSTATION 4.1 SPECIAL EDITION UPGRADE
its like poetry nigguh
>>334808006
A few things:
Concerns about devs: it's the same platform. It's optimization, which is not the same as making two separate games but one game running on the same platform with 2 different specs. It's not even close to as much work as multiplatform releases.
Textures are so high def now that it's not like the n3DS, where Hyrule Warriors has different textures based on your platform.
It will be optimization "under the hood." Not more polygons. At most, more grass, better draw distance (which isn't a real problem currently), better frame rate and 1080p.
The gaming dev industry has problems. Deadlines, work conditions, etc. Those are management issues with non-creatives calling the shots, combined with consumer demand. At worst, this 4K creates more jobs/increases budget slightly, or increases the workload of certain people. If said people work crunch hours regularly? Yeah. Sucks for them, and it's their call whether or not to continue to work under shitty conditions. Management needs to change.
In no way should your purchasing consideration even factor in a few voices who expect more work to be piled onto them. If that's their environment, that's super shitty.
Some people work super fucking hard. Some people have had only one job their whole lives and think it's hard when it isn't. Some jobs are mentally taxing, others physically. i have one friend who complains about the smallest shit in his job, like having to get up to press a button on the printer, or how his Netflix lags sometimes, I have another who's a stunt double. And another who codes games and is borderline illiterate (terrible combo).
Again, bad working conditions are rampant in gaming, it has nothing to do with a decision to make 4K games. Could it be the straw that breaks some people's backs? Absolutely. Is that Sony's fault? Fuck no.
>>334801360
So now there will be PS4 games as badly optimized as Hyrule Warriors is when played on an O3DS?
Last Guardian managed to miss another console cycle.
>>334801360
>fucking their customers right up the ass
#4theplayers
Prepare for countless re-releases of Game: NEO edition
>>334809729
You mean framerate fixing DLCs that cost like $15 for existing games.
shit will still run at 30fps 2 years in
they won't stop pushing for fidelity, they'd rather have the game look marginally better and run worse
its just how it is
the main reason i'll never buy a console even if i have the money for it
all the exclusives in the world mean nothing
>>334809729
They wouldn't be re-releases, they'd be patches for pre-existing games.
>>334809509
Except the leaks were not about a patent but the legit, dev release NX pad, which was bullshit. Try to change shit to suit your argument anon but there is nothing concrete about the PS4K, just people re-printing rumors that they heard in an attempt to get people clicking on their site.
And you stupid fuckers are falling for it AGAIN.
>>334809903
kek, they're not about to do work for free m8
call it how you want, it won't be free
>>334809923
I'm not sure what part of my post you're having trouble understanding, but the patents that were "leaked" about the NX are actual patents that exist, in reality. The leaked images of hoaxes were never anything other than hoaxes. I'm not suiting anything to my needs.
People leaking hoaxes of an upcoming console are a far cry from multiple news outlets having multiple independent sources confirming the same thing they've all heard and even getting documents with hardware specifics on them.
>>334809816
>>334809903
>being patches, in todays gaming climate
Oh, I am laughing, how naive you are
>>334809903
>Game companies
>Giving up the chance to make money
no
>>334810132
>>334810146
Games that come out at the end of September already require a day one patch to allow for them to be played with NEO specifications.
Fuck this shit I'm gonna build a nice PC next time
I need an upgrade
>>334810132
>$15 DLC
>Patch
I suggest you read the posts before you reply to them.
>>334810097
>The leaked images of hoaxes were never anything other than hoaxes
Nice try. /v/ was up in arms about how it was legit and not once during it all was it presented as "a hoax" it was all played off to be legit. These multiple "sources" are just people claiming shit, like they did with the NX pad. I can sit here and say I've got a source about Sony's current direction for E3, doesn't mean it's true.
As it stands right now, there is no physical evidence, just a few sites claiming shit and re-typing what another site has claimed.
>>334801360
If those stats are real, there is no way this is going to run any games at 4K. Hell, it's going to struggle to play movies at 4K.
>>334810356
>Nice try. /v/ was up in arms about how it was legit and not once during it all was it presented as "a hoax" it was all played off to be legit.
Okay? Not entirely sure what you're attempting to get at here. /v/ is not a gaming news outlet, /v/ doesn't get leaks from multiple sources to confirm information.
>I can sit here and say I've got a source about Sony's current direction for E3, doesn't mean it's true.
Right, which is why you'd need multiple sources to come forward and confirm or affirm what you said.
>As it stands right now, there is no physical evidence, just a few sites claiming shit and re-typing what another site has claimed.
Is this some kind of bait?
>>334810530
Show me the physical evidence then anon. Only a fool would take rumour as fact.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/04/ps4k-neo-details-specs-revealed-rumours/
>Those specs
>4k
>>334810606
Ok sure, let me just pull out the documents that I personally received from my sources inside Sony and post them here. Oh wait, I'm not the one who got them you fucking retard. If you want to keep believing its a rumor, go for it.
>>334810691
>>334810431
>yfw 4k games are 900p upscaled to 4k
Oh it'll do 4K
at 24fps
perfect
>>334810824
>he takes a rumour as fact
Full fucking kek. Until Sony themselves unveil it, it doesn't exist.
>>334810691
Shh don't spoil it! these threads are funny as fuck.
>>334810858
It wont. Maybe 4 FPS. While watching a movie.
>>334810858
More like 4
Before PS4.5:
>PC gaming sucks
>Too expensive
>Enjoy paying $400 to upgrade your graphics card every few years
After PS4.5:
>What are you poor
>I buy a new $700 phone every year, who cares
EVERY TIME. It's like paid online all over again.
And with this I'm done with console vidya.
And I'll never buy AMD cards too, since they're the one who pushed for PS4K.
Go fuck yourself Sony
>>334801360
Alright everyone, say it with me now:
IT'S OK WHEN SONY DOES IT!
>>334810998
That's fine. They will just increase the autoaim snap distance to about 2/3rd of the screen, and all those cinematic third person shooters will be perfectly playable at 4 FPS.
>>334801360
>Current games will not receive any performance upgrades by being played on the newer system. Any upgrades that come would do so via game-specific patches released by developers. When asked if this was going to happen, the response was, “It’s a possibility but doubtful with the exception of a handful of games."
>>334810691
Yeah, realistically most games that achieve 4k rendering resolution will be using shenanigans like what Killzone and Quantum Break used to make 1080p. Which will still probably look better than 1080p (at least on 4k displays, maybe also on 1080p displays.) The ones that don't use those will be indie/mid-tier games that can easily do 4K due to them punching well below the PS4's weight.
>>334811182
>Bloodborne will forever be stuck at buttery smooth sub 30 FPS
And there goes the only potential reason I'd have to buy this.
>>334811354
> The ones that don't use those will be indie/mid-tier games that can easily do 4K due to them punching well below the PS4's weight.
Reminder that Firewatch needs a minimum of 6GB RAM and a GTS 450.
>>334811489
>6GB RAM and a GTS 450.
How does that even work?
>>334811101
What's with all the butthurt about this console upgrade? How is this bad for existing PS4 owners? Isn't it just an option for people who want to upgrade? PS4 specs remain the same, regardless of the existence of the PS4K. Do complaining people even read the articles about it?I'm quite sure they don't.
>>334811386
Bloodborne is first-party, so it will probably be one of the exceptions. It would be a smart move for Sony to patch their existing bigger games like BB and UC4 as a way to help sell the Neo, since if there's anything this generation has proven it's that there are plenty of people willing to pay money to play prettier versions of games they already have.
Third parties are the ones who are highly unlikely to give enough fucks to patch their older games.
>>334811182
>announce "your favourite games will be further enhanced with Neo patches!"
>people go mad
>the only game to get a patch is Uncharted
I kinda want the PS4K to be a thing now.
>>334811581
Unity 3D in a nutshell.
>>334801479
Yeah, you need all that power to run Gone Homo and those 8-bit indie games.
>>334811603
Consoles lasting years with equal spec for everyone was one of the appeal of consoles. That sense of security and simplicity is gone now. As devs working their asses off to display miracles on weaker hardware, today asking US to pay for it instead.
I have a question, they mean that ps4.1 comes with a supposedly r9 480 but a r9 380 it's at 300 dollars at least, how they pretend to add a better ram, an another ram (512mb) + new CPU at 100 dollars?
>>334811925
>supposedly r9 480
Where is that stated?
>>334811880
But the PS4 will still be available and it will surely be cheaper. There won't be NEO-exclusive games, according to Sony. So you will still play the same games you would have played if the PS4K didn't exist, but will also have the option to play them in a somewhat higher quality. I just can't see how this could hurt PS4 owners.
>>334811925
They don't. It's all bullshit in an attempt to grab people's attention. I wouldn't put too much stock into these rumors especially if they're printing specs.
>>334806545
>Dark Souls 3 has sold over 600.000 Units on Steam alone
>>334812249
>but will also have the option to play them in a somewhat higher quality. I just can't see how this could hurt PS4 owners.
If given the option, play the GOTY edition of a game, or the day one edition, what would you choose? same principle applies why play a standard PS4 game when someone you know/a store is playing/showing the same game running smoother or with graphical enhancements? shit anon this is the very fundamentals of why some people choose PC over consoles only now it's far more local. PS4faggots want to believe they have the best system, how can they believe that when a model out performs their current one?
>>334811692
>implying it will get a patch
>implying they won't re-release it as an upgraded version instead
>>334801360
Yep. PS4 has shit games
>>334812508
Even better.
>>334811925
>an another ram (512mb)
From what I gathered they're not actually adding more RAM, they're just freeing up RAM that was already there but reserved for the OS and apps.
They could free that up for the base PS4 as well, but the whole idea here is that any added visual bells and whistles for the Neo version will require more RAM, so rather than forcing devs to reduce the RAM footprint of the base PS4 version (regardless of if it's relative to the amount they currently have or that amount + the 512 they're freeing up here) to get that memory that only the Neo version will be able to take advantage of they just allocate extra memory that only the Neo build can use.
>>334801405
kek underrated.
>>334812249
It doesn't matter. Buying a console used to be an half a decade+ investment to guarantee you can play everything the system has to offer for that much time with no extra charge to play this game or this game better or worse. It was convenient and easy, and games were the only factor in your envoyment of them. Game has tech issue? That's the devs fault not yours.
Now you'll have
>30FPS Framepacing Bug Bloodborne
>60FPS crystal clear Bloodborne
Who the fuck would be fine playing the worse version KNOWING a better one exist?
I'm speechless some peoples don't get this.
>>334801815
This. 4k is going to be the keksiest meme ever.
All these retards will buy it, insist that it's better but be unable to tell the difference whilst getting a liquid smooth 60fp10s on neo/ps4/
epic meme sony.
>>334801527
A 30% overclock on the CPU and double the GPU performance counts for a bit more than 0.01 points. This will mean more stable framerates and no more 900p. I don't see a lot of games suddenly jumping from 30 to 60 fps because devs would rather make games more pretty.
Xbox One is getting this treatment too. They've already registered with the various electronics comissions.
>>334805092
No you're missing the point entirely. PC is built with scalable assets, the ps4 has a dev kit with specific hardware. Developing a PC game, you can just have options to turn on and off features, with this ps4 bullshit, you need to build the game and test that it works on both machines, doubling the workload for test and increasing engineering because they now need to optimise twice and artists now need both hi res and low res textures, etc
this is a horribly bad idea. Why the ps4 is selling so well is something I just don't understand. How have casuals not caught on to the fact that it's garbage.
>>334812478
I'm not sure I communicated it well, but this is exactly what I'm talking about, too. Being mad about this console upgrade on account of it being a console upgrade is just plain dumb.
If somehow it drops the quality standard for "base PS4 mode" games, then I'll understand if people complain about it. But that still won't be the problem of the concept of a console upgrade, just the implementation of it. Of course this could be a problem for Sony, which I think will them pretty cautious about rolling this thing out.
>>334813060
But you already have 30FPS Framepacing Bug Bloodborne even without the PS4K. How did the PS4K make your version worse?It didn't. It doesn't even exist yet.
>Who the fuck would be fine playing the worse version KNOWING a better one exist?
The same people who are fine playing PS4 knowing there is a PC version which can be superior both in framerate, resolution and quality.
>Launching this holiday season
Ohh.
Sweet Dreams NX. You probably would've made something of yourself if you weren't forced to go toe to toe with greatness
>>334801360
Why do consoles not support mouse & keyboard?
>>334801360
>That CPU """"""upgrade""""""
What is even the point. I doubt many games are bound to the GPU.
No op, the question is if there's any reason to buy an upgraded ps4.
If companies must make versions that are compatible with the standard ps4 in addition to the upgraded ps4 if they wish to make a game that takes advantage of the better hardware then none of them are going to bother to, and consumers wont bother buying an upgraded ps4 when all the games are compatible with the base ps4.
It's the n64 expansion slot and new 3ds yet again.
But I suppose you'd have to stop sticking your tongue up sony's asshole for long enough to read this, so I'm basically talking to no one.
>>334806519
and at an all new fps of 60fp10s
>>334814064
>its the n64 expansion again
some games required that thing, bro. Thats what current ps4 owners are afraid of.
>>334807240
It would explain a lot if that were true.
>>334807990
if only there were games.
>>334813843
>It didn't. It doesn't even exist yet.
But it will exist and then that version will be obsolete. Beside think of the peoples who never played it despite having a PS4? They could decide to play it later, how is it okay for them to learn later about how they made a mistake not spending more cash on a new console within the same FUCKING generation? The usual console simplicity is gone
>The same people who are fine playing PS4 knowing there is a PC version which can be superior both in framerate, resolution and quality.
Yes but multiplatform games have to be played on PC anyway. And console and PC are different things.
>36 CUs
Pretty badass tbhflimfamalams. Seriously though, that's between a 280X and 290. Should be good for either higher FPS or higher resolution.
>>334801513
and neither will you
>>334801360
While I won't be an early adopter of the PS4K,
if it does well, I would consider buying one a few years after release. I would much prefer being able to buy an upgrade pack to supplement my current PS4 unit.
Buying a whole additional console is just wasteful
I'll just be happy to run through bloodborne a framerate that isn't complete garbage. I'd of course would rather see it on PC, but this will be a decent compromise, so i'm looking forward to new ps4.
I don't personally see the huge uproar
Your games will play exactly the same as they would if sony had not released the ps4k, and it increases sales for PS4, giving it a stronger R&D for the next iteration
The only differences will be regarding framerate, resolution and AA, and the 30fps issues occurred this entire generation, not recently. No way will developers lower the fps below 30 for standard games, anyways
>>334801360
who else excited for when all the rich people sell their ps4s to buy this?
finally going to get my own ps4 lol
>>334801360
>if nvidea is the best for PC
>and PS4 is the best in gaming period
ERROR
>>334814897
it's strange because my ps4 runs bloodborne at 30 without any dips. I completed the game to platinum and never noticed a framerate drop.
Does /v/ just like bitching about it, or are not all PS4's equal?
Since it's name is relevant to Morpheus, I wonder if Sony has been planning this all along since they first thought of VR projects.
>>334811880
The draw distance and LOD in FF15 sucks compared to The Witcher 3.
>>334806346
Framerate and resolution arent the only things that will improve. Lighting, draw distance, number of objects on screen, physics, ai. Just to name a few.
