Discuss arena shooters related topics. Recomend some arena shooter games to each other.
I'll start so where do you think the genre is going it seems pretty quite at the moment. nothing else is big other than the usual quake-con and the last UT4 ESL Champs. UT 4 is pretty good. feels sort of like UT 1999 but i don't think the movement speed is as fast. it has potential to grow to something even better. but the community on the game is still pretty quite. Development on the game is there but not fast enough in my opinion. but then again the game is still in pre-alpha. what do you think /v/ ?
>>334801203
Unreal and UT99 have some amazing fucking music.
>>334801203
Doom
>>334801404
Doom isn't really an arena shooter. desu doom was never an arena shooter on the multiplayer modes. ever since quake stole the spotlight. now it feels like halo and CoD. well considering that the studio that develops the multiplayer for doom worked on halo and CoD it makes a lot of sense.
>>334801394
Fuckin right
UT will never be popular again.
Quake will never be popular again.
The audience just changed, and games are being made for a different audience now.
I don't know what there is to discuss. Quake 3 is what, 17 years old at this point? Its been played to death by multiple generations.
They won't die, sure, but they won't ever be as popular
I don't know why people talk about arena shooters as something be all end all kind of thing.
I love Battlefield and Quake. They are just different games with different rules. I don't care if more casual games are being made as long as some movement based shooters are around to go fast in and frag bitches.
Whats going on with that new UT game?
>>334803426
All 6 of us playing are having a blast
>>334803505
Does it have cool maps/game modes?
Is assault still a thing?
Quake 2 BFG > Quake 3 BFG
Quake 3 BFG was just a fucking slightly chunkier machine gun. More like BIG FUCKING DEAL WHO CARES
>>334803576
Assault is not in yet
Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament were the precursors to today's multiplayer-focus only shooters and in my opinion were bad for the progression of the genre.
Not to say they weren't high-quality titles but they marked the death knell of the solo shooter, so instead of tacking on a multiplayer mode, developers tack on a singleplayer mode.
What did everyone think about Toxikk? I was really enjoying the beta until it became dead. It also pissed be off that they lied about the real release date and it's been over a year in beta.
>>334803662
where can I see what has been added lately?
>>334801394
You're fukken right, we had a sweet ass Unreal/UT thread just yesterday and lot of good stuff was posted.
On that note though, Q3 has some bitchin' beats too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OinLxusNRsk
UT2k4 by comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aup9SAnt6lQ
None can compete with Tribes
>>334804040
nigga please
>>334801203
While not quite an arena shooter, have any of you played Dirty Bomb? It's got a higher TTK than games like CoD/BF/CS. Lots of tracking and aiming involved with various abilities that make each mercenary different. I've heard some people liken it to an arena shooter which is why I bring it up.
>>334804346
I'm banned from it because I use Netlimiter to check how shitty my isp is being, and to prevent shit like Steam from using all of my limited internet when downloading games.
>>334804346
It's a teambased game in which teamwork is actually not all that useful, it's not even fun. Plus, incredibly poor performance.
>>334804346
Helped make a general on /vg/ for it, and played it a bunch when it came out. Not so much now. Still hoping they open it to modding like W:ET was
>>334801394
Damn straight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iznoMeB4GYE
>>334801532
>Doom isn't really an arena shooter
You don't know what you're talking about.
>>334804516
>incredibly poor performance
This, I really don't understand how a game that looks like Half Life 2 can be more hardware intensive than BF4. And fuck their lack of matchmaking for unranked
>>334804346
It needs quite a bit of polish and it honestly can become quite good but still ITS JUST A BETA
Why aren't you playing UT4?
It's LITERALLY FREE.
>>334804947
runs fine on a 660
>>334802776
>UT will never be popular again.
I still have hope for humanity.
There is still chance that consolefags and casuals see how fun games with higher skill ceiling can be.
>>334805029
I'm still waiting for the Ripper to make a comeback.
>tfw haven't tested airblast against a ripper disk
>>334804947
>>334805086
I'm on a 660 ti as well, I have no issues getting 60 fps, but the microstutters, framepacing and camera movement has got to be some of the worst shit I've ever seen in a modern fps.
>>334805186
Yeah well Ripper ain't in it yet but all the other weapons are.
>>334804346
It's definitely quite a bit better than your standard FPS. A lot of the time I feel like abilities are far too impactful and detract from the higher TTK.
Also I wish more maps were built around long jump+walljump, and ideally id like to play a game with even more interesting movement options.
>>334804876
Reminds me of Zone of the enders 2 soundtrack.
https://youtu.be/m2zaOtG5yTI
>>334805320
>Bio Rifle
>Bio Launcher
>>334805325
Agreed. Another issue I have with it: It feels too much like you're shooting at healthbars. I mean, CS has healthpools, TF2 does, most shooters do. This game manages to make it feel like they matter more.
The shooting feels RPG-ish, and that's bad.
>>334805562
There's also no weight to most of the guns they feel so unsatisfying to shoot
>>334805534
Bio Rifle has a Bio Grenade Launcher now
>>334805740
forgot to add "mutator"
Bio Rifle has a Bio Grenade Launcher mutator now*
Fixed.
Basically it's a server mutator that swaps Bio Rifle for Bio Launcher which fires bio grenades primary and bio web secondary.
>>334805534
>he doesn't know
Bio launcher is visually same as bio rifle, but projectiles behave differently.
primary fire launches the small bio drops to explode into gas cloud which causes damage.
Secondary fills up like with bio rifle, but whereever the bio-mass lands, it makes a web-like thing that is very useful for setting up traps.
>>334805834
So the rifle is the official one now?
I know I saw some footage of the bio rework. I guess it's a good idea to have an official mutator to bring the old one back.
Can you still instagib people with a full charged glob?
>>334803505
Fucking this. when are you niggers going to stop complaining about the death of arena shooters and play a fucking free game with not support with no fucking pay to win shit and isn't owned by bethesda.
If one game convinced me that /v/ is literally all talk, it's the new unreal tournament... Alongside reflex, and toxikk, and quake live
>bbbut flimsy excuse for not playing it like some petty shit about a Twitter post by some guy who played the game once
>>334805135
>There is still chance that consolefags and casuals see how fun games with higher skill ceiling can be.
i think CoD is a secret plan to slowly CoD by CoD make the games faster and faster until they are effectively an arena shooter, hell the recent Blops looks like UT with hitscan.
>>334805997
No.
The old one is the defualt.
The new one is an optional mutator.
>>334805997
And yes you can instakill with full glob.
>>334805186
>Ripper
???????
>Classic arena shooters are dead
>Modern arena shooters are either dead or hated
Is there no hope?
>>334806564
That's the translocator isn't it?
>>334806885It is but I wanted to ruse you
>>334806694
Plenty of people play Quake Live
Plenty of people play UT99
Plenty of people play Enemy Territory
Plenty of people play Jedi Academy
Decent amount of people play UT4
????????????????????
>>334807021
>plenty of people play quake live
That's a fucking lie
>plenty if people play ut99
That's a fucking lie
>plenty of people play enemy territory
This is true
>plenty of people play jedi academy
That's a fucking lie
>decent amount of people play ut4
Meh, could be more. especially considering how fanny flustered everyone on here gets about MUH DEAD ARENA SHOOTERS BUHU RIP IN PEPPERONI
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>>334807232
>This is true
Those are bots anon
>>334807352
Lots of Russians m8
Those niggers love ET
I only play reflex, it pretty much replaced quake live for me wish more people played it though
The new UT is cool too
>>334807352
Not at all anon. I installed ET Legacy today and there's plenty of polish people playing for sure since I played on a full polish server with no bots literally 2 hours ago.
>>334807232
>That's a fucking lie
There's always full QL servers anon, sure there aren't gorillions of them but you can't say that you can't get any game at any time of the day because you can.
>That's a fucking lie
Ditto, also GameRanger.
>That's a fucking lie
>WHAT IS MOVIE BATTLES 2
>>334807232
quake live has the most players out of all of those games by a large margin, my dumb friend
there were quite a few of ut99 servers full of players when I last loaded it up, but that was over a year ago
>>334807538
>ET Legacy
Never heard of it so i googled it. Why is this a thing when ET is freeware? Is it different in any way?
>>334807728
AFAIK it's modified ET code so that it runs better on newer systems. Plus more patches.
>>334807728
https://www.etlegacy.com/about
>>334807461
i love cpm but they really need to work lock on away item timers, grenade timers, etc if they want me to play with anyone but people i personally trust
>>334807728
i think it's an improved source port/mod
>>334807728
ET Legacy is just prepatched and improved ET for modern systems thats backwards compatible with 2.60b servers.
Literally no reason not to use it.
>>334808186
>Literally no reason not to use it.
You can still play on regular servers, they don't have to be for the mod specifically right?
>>334808257
Which part of "backwards compatible with 2.60b servers" do you not fucking understand?
>>334808024
i guess they'll get around to locking timers but i don't really care unless it's a competition or something
ignore ebay bullshit, my phone wont download a better picture
I played the shit out of this as a kid, and nestalga wants me to play it again. It is supper grindy though, all the characters are locked alomg with most of the guns and their seccondary fire. It was still fun as hell for kid me
>>334808309
Nigger i'm still on my first coffee, my reading comprehention is that of a mentally disabled toddler
>WAAAAAAAAHHHHH WHY IS NOBODY PLAYING ARENA SHOOTERS ANYMORE
>What is Reflex
>>334808257
ETpro servers don't work with ET Legacy, but all other servers should work just fine.
>>334808586
You tell me
>>334801203
>>334808586
don't you know? unless it's a top seller AAA game with hundreds of thousands of people playing 24/7 your game has LITERALLY ZERO players.
>>334808697
>1k peak
lel why cant you guys accept people have no interest on arena shooters and the people who used to have dont give a fuck about them.
>>334808586
>what is Reflex
it's shit
>>334808697
BOTS FUCKING WHEN
I mean seriously, there's no better way to attract new players than by letting them learn the maps while killing bots.
Yes, the professional players will complain because they get nothing from that particular update, boo-fucking-hoo.
They need players to survive as a game. Implement basic bots that just move around the maps. A rudimentary matchmaking for duels. Done.
This way the game would at least have the ability to flourish and grow.
>>334808697
>all time peak
>169
The genre is dead.
>>334809008
>This way the game would at least have the ability to flourish and grow.
Quake Live always had bots. Sure is flourishing man
>>334808941
whobrought the shitposters in?
>>334809101
>Quake Live always had bots. Sure is flourishing man
It was when it came out. Quake Live is fucking old by now. Reflex is in EA, if they want to succeed and gain popularity they need those things upon full release in order to attract new players.
I mean seriously, the only thing QL has over Reflex is the playerbase. It's my honest opinion that Reflex does everything else straight out better.
>>334809254
>Quake Live is fucking old by now
Its not the game that is old, its the concept. You can't be this dense.
Reflex isn't growing, but not because of QL's "popularity", but because it is a copy-paste of a 17 year old game who nobody wants to play anymore.
>>334808941
projecting much?
>>334809008
a long way off unfortunately they just have 1 programmer and it's all gotta be made from scratch and will probably end up being quite a bit more complex than the average quake bot
ITT: Retards that think ~1k players = dead
>>334801203
We need a general for arena shooters on /vg/. Every time I make one they fucking die.
>>334809462
the only truly dead games are the ones that rely on some multiplayer service that gets shut down and there have been plenty of those while these old games carry on
>>334805186
Never knew you could do that.
>>334804040
hirez sean is a jew bastard
o well at least it's an update
>>334809637
It just pisses me off when retards act like games like JKA, Wolf ET, Q3/QL, UT and such are dead when in reality they have stable dedicated playerbase and you can always find a server to play.
It's the millennial console pleb crowd that thinks unless you've got AAA six gorillion players then it's dead.
>>334805320
>Bio Launcher
>Link gun
>Shock rifle
What's wrong with the old names.
>>334809549
>Every time I make one they fucking die.
So, just like the games then?
>>334809827
Yes.
>>334809773
Wut? Bio Rifle was always called Bio Rifle, same with Shock Rifle
http://unreal.wikia.com/wiki/GES_Bio_Rifle
http://unreal.wikia.com/wiki/Shock_Rifle
They renamed Pulse Gun to Link Gun because barely anyone uses primary fire (pulses) with it, everyone uses the secondary link fire.
>>334809101
1k for a peak is pretty good considering the genre. It's is too hardcore for most people and the only people who still play the games scare away any fresh meat.
This type of game doesn't have much of a place in the current game world unless they add things to it which no one who likes the genre would want. It needs lore, character, tournaments with money, and a strong casual and hardcore scene. It's all hardcore and that's it. There's no incentive for a casual audience. There are no pretty graphics, no waifu fap bait, no laid back game types, no hand holding. Not to mention there's not even much of an incentive for new players who are vets of other shooters. It's like an exclusive club that looks down on everyone then wonders why no one wants to join.
It needs a lot of updating and adjustment to break out of being a niche game type, but anyone who likes this kind of game doesn't want it to change.
>>334809928
>Bio Rifle
It's says bio launcher
>ASDM Shock rifle
>>334809949
>It's like an exclusive club that looks down on everyone then wonders why no one wants to join.
might seem like that from the outside but its not true, the whole community aspect is just more personal than hitting the matchmaking button and getting thrown into a game with random people you will never interact with again
>>334810281
Bio Launcher is a separate gun you fucking retard, read the list again.
Also
>complaining about removal of pointless "lore" shit from the names
Protip, all those changes were done back in UT2003, it's not UT4 change.
It was already just "Shock Rifle", "Link Gun", "Bio Rifle" in UT2003
>>334810553
Fuck you buddy.
>>334805186
That actually worked?
>>334810591
Thanks for proving you never cared about UT gameplay and are a whiny turbocasual nitpicking about pointless shit
>>334801203
COD is a quake 3 mod.
All arena shooters need to do is come up with a xp system that is basically cosmetic changes and effects AND release under a big name like UT or Quake.
>>334809408
>>334809105
I am not just projecting , the statistic is speaking for itself where all this arena shooter lovers when the most played game has literally 1k peak per day.
>tribes
>>334810819
>COD is a quake 3 mod.
Using the same engine doesn't make it a mod for Quake
Anyone down for some HLDM AG duels?
>>334810891
It's a joke.
>>334810819
na
the genre is literally dead every month even quake live is getting less and less players until its pretty much dead.
genre so dead that the person who started this thread isn't even posting.
>>334810913
Fuck off, Garpy
>>334810913
fuck off with your piece of shit genre no 1 cares about.
>>334811556
>literally dead
I want this literally meme to stop
>>334811762
tfw garpy quit hldm to play quake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYvOIqRmawI
>>334805135
Arena FPS has bad mechanics and map control in particular is a very artificial
It takes objectively less skill to kill someone if you have a weapon/health/armor advantage
It's also not fun
>>334811939
how the fuck isn't it dead ?
If the most played game has literally peak 1k players and its every month getting less and less.Please by what logic is the genre not dead , its not even stable is shrinking with each month, jesus even some obscure indie trash has more players then quake, also quake-con is getting less and less visitors.
>>334812316
Are you just here to troll? You'd probably get more replies in one of the Dark Souls threads or something
>>334812316
But map control is only a small part of arena mechanics.
>>334812320
Dead would imply no way to play the game online due to a lack of players or server infrastructure. Quake Live has dedicated servers so the latter will never happen and the former clearly isn't true because there are plenty of people online to allow you to duel at any time of the day.
You're just a nu-age gamer who refuses to play anything that doesn't have thousands of twitch viewers and players on steam.
>>334812316
>>334812402
>>334812560
not him but why cant you guys accept that the genre is dead and move on ?
>>334812316
a better play will always win even if they hand all the best pickups to the other player on a silver platter
>>334812636
I am actually 28
and I played all the crap out of this arena shooters online and LAN and I am literally tired of them and if a game doesn't have a good population (No 1 is talking you need millions but 1k for the most played arena shooter game is very low) you dont get many updates or events.
>>334812636
If I can't find players at any time of the day, the playerbase is either waning or dead.
Dead does not always mean it has a playerbase of zero. No one gives a shit if a game has like 10 players that play at specific times.
>>334812682
this may shock you but some people play stuff because they like it
>>334806151
what do you expect? /v/ would rather shitpost than play games.
>>334801203
Quake 2 was the best one all the rest are shit. Also arena shooters are a dead game type.
>>334812852
>you don't get many updates or events
Updates aren't needed, events are frequent as fuck. There are literally an uncountable amount of online leagues and cups for games like HLDM AG, Quake Live, Warsow, etc.
Its fine you don't like the genre anymore but why do you have to come in the thread and act like a giant pissbaby over people enjoying a game you don't like anymore?
>>334812925
then keep playing and stop making such shitty threads.
At least you can accept that the genre is going nowhere.
What's this meme about the new UT being dead?
Is it because the server browser is fucked? Quite a few times now I've looked at a 'hub' in the menu and it says there are 3 players or something, then when I actually go into it there are really like 40 people there.
>>334813094
>like 40 people there
>thinking that is a lotIts fine, the game is a long way from complete anyways
>>334801203
>arena shooters
Back to the 90's with your shitty, old, dead genre.
>>334801203
Arena shooters are dead. No producer or company wants to make one as it's insanely risky (apart from Unreal Tournament 4) and the numbers are small for all of them.
Still cool to watch them on Youtube though.
>>334809684
It's a pretty useless mechanic.
Unless you're a shitter that can't maintain an ammo count and need to protect yourself while you try to get some. But in that case, you're probably too much of a shitter to time it properly anyway.
>>334812995
no 1 is acting like a pissbaby , its you guys who keep thinking they genre has a future.
Enjoy your game you and the other 16 game that play with you.
>>334808941
These games are mainly 1v1.. you're not going to be starved for competition.
>>334804346
every time I try playing it I quit because I'd rather be playing ET
>>334812852
>I am literally tired of them
then please stop projecting this onto the discussion while arguing in bad faith
>you dont get many updates or events
thanks for confirming that you're retarded
>>334813050
how about you fuck off if you don't want to see discussion about things you don't like
>>334813389
>, its you guys who keep thinking they genre has a future
It does though. It's where the mainstream is heading. People are sick of slow moving tacticool shit. You can even see shit like COD slowly moving towards arena shooter principles
>>334813337
>stating the truth
>trolling
Sorry your games are dead. Go have fun with the 900 UK shitters that still play quake live.
>>334813389
>Enjoy your game you and the other 16 game that play with you.
Is that supposed to be an insult or something? I will continue enjoying the game, what are you gonna do? Shitpost some more? Have fun.
>>334813586
Its moving slowly back to Halo and if you think people have interest in arena shooters why is no 1 playing them ?
I quit because I got tired of it and it became shitty and literally all of my friends from 28 to 40 did the same.
You are stuck in the past and if you enjoy being in the past then fine keep on playing until you and 1 more guy are left.
>>334813631
its actually less then 900 the average on 1 day is 500-600 on quake live , but the game is owned by 2.5 million people, 99.99% of the people who bought quake live dont care about it anymore.
>>334813636
no i will keep laughing at you and laugh at your "When will arena shooters come back" threads that you are making.
>>334813917
Anyone who launched the game on steam when it was free got a copy of it for free so that number is a bit inflated.
>>334814002
I didn't make the thread.
Arena shooters don't need to come "back" because they are already here.
Why are you so upset?
>>334813774
top fucking kek. And what exactly are you playing instead?
COD?, Destiny? lmao.
You try and use it as an insult, but I literally would have more fun with 1000 players who are dedicated, involved in the community, mapping, posting on forums etc than 1 million 14 year olds who just pass through whatever is flavour of the month.
Then again you come across as a neofag type retard who spends all day pouring across sales figures and user numbers to shitpost about rather than actually playing games
You niggas talking about them arena shooters and listing the active ones but you're all forgetting Renegade X and Halo Online aka ElDewrito
>>334809928
I'm pretty sure he means GES and ASMD prefixes. I wish they were brought back
>>334814391
I know what he means and bitching about those pointless prefixes is silly, it's not like these games are about LORE.
Go play Unreal and Unreal 2 for that.
>>334814368
Renegade X is shit.
>>334804346
The grind to buy new mercs is out of this world
>>334809721
This, fuck that guy
Why don't you casuals just grow up and play a real skill based shooter?
>>334814513
>CS
>Arena shooter
No.
>>334808697
What site is this?
>>334814565
>fight in an arena
>shoot
How is it not?
>>334814693
SteamCharts
>>334814693
steamcharts
>>334814513
yeah, let me play the bad version of cs
>>334814693
steamcharts
>>334814710
Not fast
No bunnyhop
No DM
No TDM
No CTF
>>334814513
>>334814710
CS:GO is the worst version of CS
Enjoy your crates, washed out visuals, skins, grinding and broken matchmaking.
I'll take 1.6 and Source over GO anytime of the day.
>>334814513
>csgo
>play a real skill based shooter
>>334814810
God, I really miss CTF. I like arena shooters, but I don't need 100% hardcore skill based MLG gameplay. (The Quaky community is full of so many obsesses wannabes it's sad).
I just want fast-paced fun.
>>334814391
I do too, but they were probably cut because they were politically incorrect.
GES stands for "Green Exploding Shit" and ASMD stands for "And Suck My Dick". I am not making this up.
>>334814710
>one weapon limit
Heh.
>>334814810
Halo doesn't have most of those and it's still an arena shooter
>>334814906
>All the """issues""" listed don't affect gameplay
helloooooo silver
>>334815013
You can hold 3 weapons and 4 grenades.
>>334814989
Play UT4 if you want CTF.
See >>334805029
Alternatively if you want siege-type gameplay then play Enemy Territory or Jedi Academy with Movie Battles 2
>>334815157
>a knife is a useful weapon
>>334815023
>>All the """issues""" listed don't affect gameplay
Washed out visuals do affect gameplay, making everything harder to see due to washed out visuals.
Also why would I play it when 1.6 has great gameplay but isn't tainted by all those flaws of GO?
Why would I play GO when I can play the much better looking CSS if I want something different?
GO is entirely pointless for me since it doesn't offer me anything over 1.6 or Source.
>>334815292
If you're not shit, yes.
>>334814368
>Renegade X
>Start round
>Teams are stacked already
>Power Plant dies in 30 seconds from the start of the round to a hotwire/tech
>Round is over in 4 minutes
>Devs keep actively nerfing "camping" (read: defensive strategies) to keep it this way
Jesus christ, one of the best parts of old ren was the 50-man games that could last for hours.
>>334815023
>>334815157
It's probably the nostalgia speaking, but I still think 1.6 has the cleanest and best visuals. I mean, sure, GO has nice textures and models and effects, but it sucks for focus on gameplay.
I think 1.6 in all its clunkiness has a lot of charm.
>>334815359
I don't think you played much of Ren X because I had plenty of games that dragged on for fucking forever.
Play on EU servers since those tend to have skill balanced teams and no stacking. If you're american, I dunno what to tell you man.
>>334815350
The knife is a gimmick, not a valid weapon. You don't see people going knife-only on eco rounds, do you?
>>334815456
Not a gimmick, it's a valid but very situational weapon.
>>334815415I agree completely. Also I kinda miss modded weapon skins instead of the shit that passes as "quality" skins in GO
>>334815531
>very situational
Otherwise known as literally never except when you want to feel good because you humiliated the other guy, something like the gauntlet in Quake.
And don't give me no stealth factor bullshit either, you know its true
>>334814513
>csgo autist again
>>334815591
Plus, 1.6 has the superior movement. I miss that.
>>334815691
You could either reload that empty pistol or quickswitch to the knife and do a lot of damage.
>>334815806
this nigga knows
>>334815591
As much as i hated 1.6, csgo is a fucking clusterfuck of everything.
Background sounds that distract the player? check
Bugged out sound? check
Effects that completely block the visuals like molly's fire and nades? Check
Broken smokes where you can see trough them at times and lots of one ways? check
The game is a fucking mess, even maps are full of props that only add cluster to the visual mess that the game is, not to mention shit maps like nuke were it seems like the creator just put the most possible shit everywhere just because.
Still, i love this game more than 1.6 or source.
>>334815910
The non-existant first shot accuracy is utterly ridiculous. This is a skill-based game. My crosshair is on the enemies head. I fire a single shot. It misses.
I mean, in reality weapons miss a shitload, but it's always been a hallmark of Counterstrike that skill rewards you with success.
Not so much in CS:GO.
>>334815910
You sound like the kinda person that's easily distracted by small details tbqh. Also they made nuke better to look at, so there's that.
>>334815023
halo isn't an arena shooter
>All the """issues""" listed don't affect gameplay
shitty visibility and locked graphics and postprocessing settings that makes you turn up driver/monitor colour saturation to see anything doesn't affect playing? if you want i can list some other aspects that tied to gameplay systems
>depthless hamstrung source movement
>bad recoil mechanics removes variety and depth from core gameplay. i.e. tapping is shit spraying is dominant
>poorly balanced "sidegrade" m4 divided in two because skins
>wallbanging
>run & gun smgs and shotguns that require zero skill to use
>autosniper as a concept
>shitty unrewarding awp mechanics such as 250ms accuracy delay dumbs down gameplay
>smokes are too strong and flashes are very weak comparatively, makes tactics very two-dimensional
>really strong pistols because being punished by the economy system is apparently bad and having a high level eco layer to the game isn't needed
>>334814513
>Cheaters up the ass
>Cross hair doesn't line up with shots
>limited VIABLE gun selection
And before you start spiting crap about "h-h-have you eve shot a real gun?!"
It's a video game.
I don't care if the gun has rng recoil and spread, but memorizing shot patterns is a fucking stupid concept. I'm sure any idiot can do it within a week of playing, but it's still fucking stupid.
>>334801203
This thread is just going to start arguments so I'll throw a 'radical' opinion. Let's see the result.
With evidence showing arena shooters in small numbers, new players are needed. My idea was taking them from the new Doom coming out. My idea is to effectively protest for a classic arena mode/playlist for this new Doom. Don't pre-order or buy until it's in.
Effectively, this mode will start every player with just a pistol (maybe heavy assault rifle or standard shotgun too) and the weapons will be scattered across the map. Due to not starting with weapons, weapon damage can then be increase to make the rocket launcher much more powerful alongside other weapons if necessary. Movement speed will be increased, strafe-jumping can be added, being able to move in the air more freely. Hack modules, demon runes and loadouts can be removed for this mode/playlist.
This causal playlists can allow people to play the game for a blast of fun but if they wish to move on or believe they are ready, a classic, more competitive playlist is there for them to see the other, original side of Doom (and Quake to an extent). If arena shooters are to survive, introducing new players this way can maybe introduce new gamers to the original arena games like Quake 3, etc.
I know people hate Beth, id software and modern games but this seems the best way in my opinion.
Right, opinions, suggestions?
>>334806564
Jokes on you the Ripper Blueprint someone made is using the transloc model.
>>334816060
???
>>334816141
I don't think we're playing the same CSGO
>>334801203
I want to finally get a stable job so I can buy a proper rig, a 144hz monitor and jump into UT4.
>>334816178
>cheaters
nah
>crosshair doesn't line up with shots
only if ur bad lol
>limited VIABLE gun selection
Only non-viable guns are dualies and M249.
Perfectly thread ruined by a fucking CS:GO autist.
Fuck off and die please, we're not interested in your shitty game.
>>334815867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL4_zGb29gU
>>334816227
i can see how you wouldn't be able to relate if this is your first fps but don't be dissuaded as you can buy the original counter-strike on steam for only 9.99 or even play the superior version 1.3 on community run master servers.
![GVAHrzm[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nopwwIb.jpg "GVAHrzm[1].jpg")
>>334816227
>???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0rlCJ047Ds
Picture related is a funny thing, too.
>>334816631
>>334814513
>Slow as fuck
>No vertical gameplay
No thanks.
>>334816619
>first fps
whoops, forgot to show of my gamer cred with me being amazing at other games ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Arena shooters need some new life.
How about an arena shooter with scorestreaks ala Call of Duty?
Not like Quake 3 doesn't already have snowball mechanics with all the pickups.
reborn when
>>334816865
i would expect someone new to cs as most csgo players are to not have fully developed brains and be able to discern sarcasm yet
>>334815023
>don't affect gameplay
There should be no weapon limit so you have to learn to quickswap all you weapons.
There should be completely different weapons that have different mechanics, that are more useful in some situations and less in others. That way you have to learn and use all of them.
There should be no weapons that abuse bullshit RNG. Ideally no RNG at all.
There should be no weapons or armor on spawn so you have to learn map control.
Maps should have vertical design with lots of jump pads and elevators instead of typical flat bullshit with few corridors like in cs, where instead of expecting enemy from all directions, including up and down, you usually have just one or two corridors where they all be coming from.
Movement should be a lot faster and challenging. There should be areas where you can get only with wall jumps or advanced movement mechanics. Players shouldn't be able to guesstimate the enemy position due to shitty predictable movement speed and shoot through the fucking wall in advance, like they do in cs.
And that's just the few """"issues"""" I have with this """"competitive""""" game.
>>334816631
Well thats mostly cause you are shitter. First two bullets are accurate at certain distances (of course its not accurate from t spawn to doubledoors, this is not a fucking railgun). After that you are supposed to control the recoil. so first to bullets to head, 3-8 jump to chest and then it forms an S.
Theres a reason why europeans like to stand still or crouching instead of running stop and shooting.
What version of Quake 3 is the most played currently? Live? Or a source port?
>>334816865
I don't know what is it but I still feel UT4 too slow.
Still fun tho.
>>334817050
Sarcasm doesn't exist. Also 1.3 and 1.6 are shit. This was always the best version of CS
>>334810885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR8lCBxs4fw
Starsiege was better in every way compared to neo Tribes.
>>334817256
I know what you mean, it's especially noticeable if you're coming from quake.
I don't play UT4 because of this
http://i.imgur.com/pmMtcGC.gif
Fix your garbage netcode problems and I'll play it
>>334817059
>I'm not good at resource management
I bet your autistic ADHD ass got shit on in SC too lmao xD
>>334817153
L|ive
>>334816998
>2010
guys im making a game
>2011
reborn soon fellow gamers
>2012
trust me it's coming soon
>2013
okay guys i've been making bank off this dota crap and now we're gonna have special abilities and different classes to play as
>2014
trust me i am still working on this also it's called diabotical
>2015
look it's coming soon but we need to do a kickstarter to show these mobile edutainment publisher dudes that i mean business
>2016
???
s-soon
>>334817509
What is your gif supposed to show? That Shock Rifle isn't instagib? It never was. It deals 40 damage on primary fire and 45 on secondary, 55 on combo.
>>334817256
>>334817423
Movement speed is too slow, weapon switching is too slow.
Honestly, in my opinion the translocator needs a few seconds of cooldown and movement speed needs an increase. Using the transloc for getting up ledges, porting through grates and so on is great, using it as the primary means to move across longer distances is not.
It's clunky as fuck.
The transloc is probably the reason for why weapon switching is so damn slow, too.
>>334817678
wait what? i always thought it was insta gib on combo without armor
UT needs less floaty gravity, 100% air control and maybe strafe jump acceleration or some exra way to go fast when there aren't walls to jump on
>>334817678
>isn't instagib
>shot counter is still 20 when you shoot
>your health clearly shows 100
>one shot from the same gun instantly kills you
it's instagib
>>334817753
I noticed both flak and rocket grenades are heavy as fuck. Also why the fuck did they change the old rocket charge modes.
>>334817898
It's a bit weird, sure, but I actually don't mind. They need to change a few things up. Ignore the UT99 or UT2k4 loyalists that can never agree on a single issue.
Projectile speed is slow, but at least they're powerful. The Flak murders in this game.
>>334817256
Movement speed is slow, but you have to use jump pad/elevator assisted dodge jumps to get everywhere faster. Dodging speed is superfast on the other hand and has small cooldowns. In small areas people walldodge all overt the place with the lightning speed. That's why it feels very different from quake.
>>334816361
>crosshair doesn't line up with shots
>only if ur bad lol
I-it's a feature! G-git gud!
>>334817894
headshot maybe?
>>334818029
You really should get good though.
>>334817059
But all the things you listed are standards for arena shooters and not with past cs games, Cs was never about these things,
but the other anon was implying that cs is an arena shooter, while is obviously not.
you and wemb anon should stop sperging for a second. and stop this fucking derailment.
>cs babby shitting the thread
CS was always inferior to q3. Only shitters that couldn't get into q3 played 1.5 and then 1.6 happened.
>>334818216
what if I post a different shooter?
>>334801203
remember having to connect via IP?
kids today couldn't deal with that shit
>>334817753
Use more wall dodges, you can get moving really quickly if you know the environment.
>>334818367
Wish this thing had more to it than just one fucking platform and one weapon
>>334803976
UT 2004 was recycling that stuff
give me a good song from 2k4 that wasn't in the other games
exactly
>>334818367
I adore the shit out of this game.
>>334808941
1000 people is more than enough
does every game you play need to have millions of people playing for some sort of confirmation you "arent wasting" your time?
(you are)
>>334807352
OH GOD!
I LOVE VANILLA ICE CREAM!
>>334818696
it is important if you are not from a first world countrylike me ;-;
>>334818814
DID SOMEBODY SAY ICE CREAM?
>>334818562
>>334818693
I'd play it more if the sounds didn't scare me so much
>propose some new change to bring more people to arena shooter
>autistic players instantly cry that the game is perfect how it is.
>"Why are arena shooters dead I am tired to play against the same people always"
>>334812560
But why does it exist at all?
Is it fun? No. Is it skillfull? No.
It's a trash mechanic and honestly a big part of why the genre completely died
>>334818997
>map control isn't fun or skillful
bigger bait than my webms
>>334818964
It's almost like the average arenashitter is a complete fraud and doesn't want to be exposed by everyone else in a new game
Why do you think they stay secluded in their shitty dead games
>>334818890
That's the best part. This game manages to be scary as fuck despite having entirely action-oriented gameplay. No jump scares, no psychological horror, just sound effects that are genuinely scary and visceral as fuck. I love it.
Especially with HRTF on. It's an amazing and unique experience.too bad I suck at the game
>>334818008
I abuse the Roll > Slide thing, pretty nice to move fast, to be honest.
>>334817996I-I'm actually more of a UT99 person
I still miss those 6 rockets.
>>334819178
>killing someone when you have more health and better weapons is skillfull
You're really smart
>>334817894
Nigger you NEVER played UT
http://unreal.wikia.com/wiki/Shock_Rifle
You're thinking of Quake 3 Railgun.
UT Shock Rifle was NEVER instagib.
>>334817797
Only in the dead center of the combo. The closer to the edge of the combo explosion you are the less damage it does, the median is about 55.
>>334819253
Wew, Dodge > Slide. I fucked up.
>>334818997
> Is it skillfull?
The skill of map control isn't about memorizing timers anon.
Do I need to link rapha vs cooler again?
I've played a 2 day trial of this mice shooter. Was pretty cool
>>334819314
>Everyone starts with a gun that shoots tampons
>someone worked harder and earned his gear
>not skill
why the heck am I responding?
>>334819361
Oh I get it, you're just an idiot
Not surprising of course, since you cling to a worthless genre
>>334801203
Nice to see more arena shooter threads around here
>>334819561
You worked harder once for one kill, so if you're better why would you need a weapon and health crutch?
? Are you stupid or something
Why aren't you playing Reflex? It even has defrag now like strafe maps
>>334819645
D44M's shittyness reignated some love for Quake and UT.
>>334818964
the whole "too hardcore this is why the kids don't play" is stupid. the most popular games nowadays are absurdly complicated and obtuse with horrible feedback. people don't play all these arcane dota games because they're easy to get into. they play them because they have lots and lots of marketing and prey on people's behaviour such as cash shop item shit and gambling.
quake live didn't magically grow after getting loadouts. you could turn the entire game into cod and it wouldn't change a thing
>>334819571
>>334819314
In the best versions of quake (which was why people didn't like QL for so long), a player with better "fps skills" can be someone with a superior stack assuming they aren't just miles ahead.
Shooting doesn't go out the window when map control comes into play
>tfw warsow is dead and peope on it only play that one fucking instagib map with the speed bug
