He did LITERALLY nothing wrong.
>>334766335
He literally shilled an xpac for a shit game launching in 4 months. Ask your boss why no legacy servers and then kill yourself please.
>>334766419
Spot the Nostcuck. Go back to collecting signatures.
R8
>Champion! You are the Chosen One who must save the world with Illidan, Avatar of Light!
>>334766862
>implying
Kill yourself retard
Male Night Elves are so sexy now.
>>334766335
Illidin-do-nuffin
He did LITERALLY nothing wrong.
>>334766862
Kek, isnt their some massive Blizz cock you should be sucking for a reasonable price of 70 dollars and 15 each month thereafter?
Or have you decided not to leave your garrison yet?
>>334766335
Going insane after losing to Arthas was something wrong.
He should have probably done a little research before almost destroying the world just to take out Arthas. That is, of course, assuming Malfurion was correct about what he was doing destroying the world.
For nostalgiafags there is no other WoW but vanilla.
>>334766335
Is he going to be a good guy or a bad guy when Gul'dan brings him back? I can only imagine he'll be a good guy by the end since they're literally bringing him back because he's the Boba Fett of Warcraft.
>let's make garrisons!
>garrisons make faction cities useless, so let's not even bother with those
>everyone's mad that there's no cities
>nobody likes farmville: WoW edition
>nerf professions to bump up the building count
>now there's literally no friendly interaction
>let's make garrison 2.0: class halls!
Anyone else really excited for class halls?
>>334767075
lol, the old ass armor designs clash really bad with the new models.
Didn't Illidan die at the end of frozen throne?
Does Blizzard just resurrect their characters instead of making new good ones now?
>>334766929
>Not going dagger seal fate
Its like you hate fun
>>334767531
They literally made an entire xpac to resurrect people
>>334767531
Mortally wounded, but he got better.
He legit died to us in Black Temple, but demons always resurrect in the Nether. Illidan got that res.
>>334767531
You really missed out on WoW, didn't you?
>>334767559
daggers are boring, everyone uses them.. or swords
>>334767449
Tell me about it, sucks ass, especially when none of the new Plate armor is skimpy or sexy on males. Shit, the ONLY skimpy Plate legs and chest for males in the entire fucking game are the Talonguard Armor and the Skyfire Greaves and they're BC armor.
>>334767179
kek'd
>>334767169
>Malfurion
>Ever correct
Yeah, good luck driving the second invasion without the well of eternity and by doing nothing / fucking ysera in the emerald dream for 10k years.
>>334767041
So now that he is the avatar of light is he going to say:
>Feel the LOVE of 10,000 years
>>334767531
Frozen Throne was rushed and Blizzard went on record saying that they wanted to make a full CGI cutscene of that final fight that showed Illidan survived, but they ran out of time.
Kael and that Naga Queen found him half dead after Arthas put on the Helm and took him back to outland, but he went nuts due to his failure and became one of the raid bosses in WoW. After the players kill him Maiev shows up and takes his body back to serve its eternal sentence. Now, for some reason, Gul'dan (from the time travel expansion) has gotten his hands on the body and is bringing him back to life.
>>334767409
class halls are daily quest hubs
>>334767531
Illidan didn't die in TBC. Maiev captured his soul in that box thingy ghost-trap.
>>334767043
>Ask your boss why no legacy servers
Nothing for me to imply, you implicated yourself.
>>334767167
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At least I can play the game I want to play instead of resorting to begging.
>>334767531
His body is technically intact, but his soul is in the Twisting Nether. The Wardens, specifically Maiev, have basically had his body locked up all these years in a crystal.
wow is shit and the reason current MMO's are so stale
also fuck you everquest
>>334767916
>Gul'dan (from the time travel expansion) has gotten his hands on the body and is bringing him back to life.
I think it is because according to the new book illidan have two artifacts from nazera and the legion want them.
>>334767937
and garrisons
>>334767974
>>334767916
>Implying Maiev is not using Illidan as a sex toy for all these years
Tell me anons, is there a term for this specific dillemma?
>The enemy is attacking us because of "X" (where "X" is something important")
>But "X" was the key to drive them off.
>We should get rid of "X" so they never attack us again
>But what if they do for vengeance, or maybe "X" was never their main objective, how do we defend ourselves again?
Cause that is pretty much the whole Malfurion vs Illidan conflict, and illidan has been right so far.
>>334767041
>>334767825
>Illidan, Avatar of Light
With all the alternate character cards that are coming out in Hearthstone right now I wouldn't be surprised if this is one. Maybe he'll actually be playable.
They shouldn't have reworked the zones in Cataclysm
I was so fucking confused what was happening because first Deathwing was involved, then Illidan and the Outlands, then it goes to the Lich King and Northend, and then Deathwing again? What the fuck
I had to lore videos on youtube to understand what the fuck was going on
Why are people still talking about Warcraft lore like it's interesting?
>>334768175
>and illidan has been right so far.
the whole illidan vs furion started because illidan went rogue, stole the dragon soul or some artifact and then went back to kiss azshara corrupted ass. That wasn't right.
>>334768170
>Maiev roleplaying as Tyrande but Illidan is still hating every minute.
I didn't know I needed this until now.
>>334768175
Have you seen Tyrande?
Malf knew that his brother wanted a piece of that ass and decided to cuck him for 10,000 years
>>334766929
>+1% minmax hit/damage talents
Sure is engaging gameplay
>>334768285
Because we have select memories that ignore all the shitty stuff.
>>334768214
Yeah, if only they told you what was happening in game, like in the form of cutscenes, dialogue, or quests
>>334768178
>coming out in Hearthstone
I will give you that light ragnaros is stupid, but light illidan is 100% canon now.
Given that the HS dev team must have legion spoilers (which is supposed to end with an old god), they are actually taking inspiration on wow lore, not the other way arround
>>334768318
That started, but kinda got solved. Illidan creating the new well of eternity (aka, the "X"), was the last straw that got him jailed for 10k years though.
>capital cities from WoD get cut
>finally get a conjoined capital city again
>they're just reusing Dalaran
>b-but there's a FF7 reference in it now!
Hope you enjoy reused assets the expansion yet again.
Emerald Nightmare is mostly reused boss models painted green
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AyiO9-7Wk0
>>334768603
Not to mention illidan was crazy in bc.
>>334768415
>disliking old talent trees
>preferring this new literal dogshit talent """"customization"""" to what was in its place
catacuck detected
>>334768323
There was a picture of them like that posted quite ago, on my phone so i cant post it.
>>334768845
>old talents were """""""""""good""""""""""""
go sign your petition cuck
>>334768834
Getting locked in a very small cage and being raped by one of the most insane yanderes of the world for 10 thousand years usually do that.
>>334768484
>After two minutes of googling
Fair enough, I haven't been on the up and up with Warcraft lore since WC3, mostly just picking up bits and pieces from people complaining or CGI cutscenes.
It's certainly an interesting rewrite of Illidan that he was being a good guy all along, though maybe it's not much of a rewrite because he was always sort of an anti-hero.
>Half of Warcraft lore has boiled down to people not knowing what the fuck Illidan is even doing or who he's working for, even though it's been obvious from the start
>We are legitimately supposed to be surprised that he's in actuality a good guy
>>334768845
not him but new talents were you have 3 viable options that need to be optimized for the type of AoE you're dealing is much more interactive and fun than the typical 31/0/20 we've all become accustomed to. The old talents are so stale and stagnant and just plain cookiecutter.
>>334768968
actually he wasn't crazy because of that he was crazy after arthas beat him outside icecrown.
>>334768968
woah
that's kinda hot
>>334768845
>"""customization""""
>because DPS classes will ever choose damage reduction traits over +5% to hit
also
>hit
>at all interesting or fun
>>334769062
They weren't stale or cookiecutter at all. Current talents don't really allow for any creativity, sure you change them around but the optimal talent options are clear and basically already chosen for you.
Before Nost was shut down new builds were still being discovered/invented to play a 12 year old more efficiently.
The old talent system was appropriate for an RPG where customization options are essential for it to be good. This new system is complete shit.
>>334769012
Maybe more like a quarter, but we all knew he was good when his motivation was "kill Arthas" and he took power from the skull of gul'dan just to save the woods, though Furion was too big of a bitch to accept it.
>>334769467
>Before Nost was shut down new builds were still being discovered/invented to play a 12 year old more efficiently.
And it was only 12yo late to the party.
>>334769467
nah as a person that did play WoW since Vanilla til now I would rather pick up the new Legion talents any day than the stupid pigeon holding cookiecutter bullshit my guild always forced me to pick up.
>>334769304
>because DPS classes will ever choose damage reduction traits over +5% to hit
They might. There were plenty of situations and bossfights where damage reduction was more favorable over raw damage.
Anyone who hates on the old talent system is almost certainly an unimaginative PvE shitter.
>hit wasn't interesting
It kinda was. At least gearing required more though than the homogenized garbage WoW currently has.
>1 of 3 Primary Stats
>Stamina
>1 of 5 Secondary Stats
>1 of 5 Secondary Stats
Woah there's so many options for gearing! This is fantastic for a genre of game based on creativity and character customization!
>>334769304
>hit
stacking your attuned stat is so much more interesting
>>334769818
>Legion talents aren't cookie cutter but old talent trees were
lad wew
As someone who has also played since Vanilla, you're completely wrong.
>>334769856
>Woah there's so many options for gearing!
you clearly never played a Shaman in Vanilla.
>>334769978
Legion talents aren't mandatory cookiecutter talents like Vanilla.
You literally have to prioritize what you want to specialize into, AoE damage or single target dps. There's never a perfect build you have to literally change your talents throughout the course of the raid or dungeon to be optimal for that specific encounter.
>>334768738
>Painted green
You almost had me, anon. Here, have a (You)!
>>334770060
They had more options than they do now.
>>334768738
What's the FF7 reference?
>>334770348
here's your (you)
These are the things I wish would come back.
-all of the cut secondary stats like armor penetration, rebalanced and adjusted so they're not THE things to stack but are still helpful
-elemental resistances, as parts of enchants along with their normal use so you can stack resistances with your preferred enchants
-Hunter Pets' unique damage-dealing abilities (Scorpid Venom, Screech, Monstrous Bite, Ankle Tear, etc)
-debuffs (lower attack, reduce armor, reduce acuracy, reduce attack speed, reduce resistance, increase casting speed, etc)
The little things that allowed for a much more varied game. I honestly doubt anyone complained that much about those things, Blizzard just removed them because they think everyone is retarded.
>>334770214
>pick talent for aoe fight
>pick talent for single target fight
>not cookie cutter
>>334768738
>now
>>334769062
>>334769818
Both talent systems are cookie cutter. Because in a game where's the clear cut better options for some/all scenarios, you ARE going to pick them if you want to do well. Regardless, I used to hate the talent every 15 level premise, but I do enjoy being able to swap talents on the fly for each fight to help my DPS in mythic HFC.
>>334770382
Aeris and Cloud lookalike NPCs, the Aeris is a flower girl, the Cloud is her bodyguard
Aeris has literally been in since Wrath
.>>334770450
>pick the exact same talent build as everyone else in your class, with maybe 1-5 points to stick wherever you want
>not cookie cutter
>make a new mage
>literally spamming frostbolt
>my mana never drops below 99%
>my health regens to full within seconds of leaving combat
WEW
>>334770214
Yes, you change your talents constantly to tackle whatever situation you're in, the choices in talents isn't really up to you though. If icyveins or simcraft calls for a certain build on a certain fight, that's what you use. If you're PvPing, everyone who plays Frost Mage for example uses the same exact talent/glyph set up for each situation.
The new talent system is 7 different options that give you the illusion of choice instead of actual choice.
>>334770382
Aerith: Flowershop Girl from Old Dalaran, Has a BE DK guarding her transmogged out to look like Cloud
>>334770406
>-elemental resistances, as parts of enchants along with their normal use so you can stack resistances with your preferred enchants
god no
>>334770607
>pick the exact same talent build as everyone else in your class, with maybe 1-5 points to stick wherever you want
This is how I know you're a unimaginative casual shitter. Thanks for proving my point.
>>334768858
You should post it when you can friend.
For research purposes
>>334768136
>No work orders
>No professions buildings
>No mining/botany/fishing management
>No boatyard
>Mission table with a much smaller quantity of followers most of which send you out on quests
>>334770624
>the illusion of choice
and you think 1% hit or miss is a real choice in comparison?
>New talents are litterally COD loadouts
>Gee, I wonder why they went with that?
Also, why did they fuck mastery so hard, it was a prime time to create a stat so players could become CC gods, but it just became a shitty proc or flat damage
>>334768845
50% eyes of the beast duration fuck year
>>334767559
My nigga
Shame Cold Blood doesn't hold a candle to Adrenaline Rush.
>BC rolls around
>Mutilate for 3 combo points
>100% Rupture and Slice and Dice uptime with Envenoms out the ass
Oh yes
>>334769467
>new builds were still being discovered/invented
That's so full of shit.
>>334770405
I'm not wrong.
>>334770675
>I don't like the idea of having to go out of my way to get together a set of gear to help me resist fire to delve into the lair of Ragnaros, The Elemental Lord of Fire
I found your problem bud, you hate RPGs. Maybe instead of literally killing WoW, go play a different genre of game like FPS or mobile.
>>334770405
You're a retard, kiddo. I bet you haven't even played Vanilla. Enjoy your time-gated facebook game.
>>334770716
Hey man you have the choice of picking objectively bad talents in the new system too. Your special snowflake build can be done in either iteration. The point i'm trying to make is that no choice is better than the illusion of choice.
>>334766929
assassination or bust brah
>>334770742
>and you think 1% hit or miss is a real choice in comparison?
Talents like that were a huge minority amongst the other talents that completely changed the way your class and its abilities functioned.
You're literally going out of your way to paint the older game in as bad of a light as possible. Why?
>>334770872
>I like the idea of pointless stat because that's rpg
dunno I guess you should stick to jrpgs
>>334770892
Literally played Resto in Vanilla raids and Enhancement in PVP. The gearing was god awful and you fucking know it.
That's only to level 15. After that it's back to normal and you can OOM and die.
>>334771024
because fuck you and your manatide totem, fuck Stormstrike being a 31 point talent, it's all shit in hindsight deal with it.
>>334771024
>Talents like that were a huge minority amongst the other talents that completely changed the way your class and its abilities functioned.
every hit rating talent was mandatory.
>old talents vs new talents
The only thing I'll say is that to this day I still see people arguing and discussing Vanilla Warrior talents.
Today its just "uh should I take avatar or bladestorm?"
"Bladestorm"
Can't speak for Legion talents but when I was leveling a priest during WoD the lower level talent choices were garbage. It was shit like improved Fade and Shadowfiend. PvP tier shit that affected mobility and was boring as fuck.
>>334768415
>not enjoying having something to look forward to every level
face it nerd, your game is shit now
Best Alliance DK?
>>334770729
Can someone explain to me why the fuck missions were not scenarios? It would have been so damn easy to combine them. Sure, we would have gotten fewer missions, but for gods sakes it's actual gameplay
>>334770897
There were builds that deviated from what was "cookie-cutter" that were still optimal and viable. That's the point. The new system is "pick the correct talents/glyphs or do worse".
>>334771269
I wish we had MoP scenarios back but maybe I have brain problems. These new scenarios are literally just quests called scenarios for some reason.
>>334771269
they do, like the Vortex Pinnacle one where you recruit an Air Elemental champion.
>>334771269
>Can someone explain to me why the fuck missions were not scenarios?
because memers hated scenarios even if they were superior to dungeons in every single possible way.
>>334771359
Scenarios were great.
>>334771187
Where in my post did I say they weren't?
>>334766335
>Reconstituting the Well of Eternity right after the first one nearly lead to the destruction of Azeroth
>Somehow not a bad thing to do
It's time to stop posting, Illidan.
>>334771324
There is no such thing as more than one optimal build. More than one viable build sure, but viability is subjective. You can make 'viable' builds in the new system too without a huge loss.
>>334771068
>be attacked with elemental attacks
>have option to reduce damage form elemental attacks
>"hurr I think it's useless take it out of the game because I alone determine what should and shouldn't be"
>>334771452
>There is no such thing as more than one optimal build.
There absolutely was.
>>334771425
>Reconstituting the Well of Eternity right after the first one nearly lead to the destruction of Azeroth
You can't blame the well for that it was aszhara and her fag servants.
>>334771525
Yes is useless if you want to reduce damage use cooldowns. Now you're going to say hit raintg was fun and engaging.
>majority of all Vanilla problems were fixed in TBC
>gearing itemization was fixed in TBC
>spec viability was fixed in TBC
>they've essentially just be butchering the game after TBC ended
Most of these changes to classes every expansion seem to just be for the sake of change. They barely fix anything and just make more problems
>>334771626
TBC had its own butchering with arenas and flying.
>>334771068
You are why they dumbed down stats so far so every class just has to worry about unga bunga stamina and unga bunga (insert stat for role here) for literally everyone
>>334771425
>9/11 happens
>People die
>Lock up anyone that builds towers
Ya, the well was the problem
>>334771626
>shamans didn't get usable aoe until the end of cata
kek
>>334771608
That's why I said it's existence led to it, not that it caused it.
The existence of a source of power of that magnitude in a fantasy setting will literally always lead to bad people using it for bad things.
Stats were always shit back then it was strength/Agi/Int/Stam, and spellpower if you were acaster, today its still shit, with ilvl+your 2 BiS secondary stats being ally ouneed to focus on
It was procs and fun trinkets and the RNG god blessing you for that high damage crit+hand of justice proc or sword/mace spec procs.
Like fucking POM pyro
And stats weren't everything either, rogues could stunlock you to death with a level 1 dagger, gear on a rogue was just HP buffer so you don't die to a group of enemies.
WOW back then wasn't purely about stats, class balance (With the expection of warriors who balled way too hard out of control) was about countering one spec with another.
>>334771626
talents were still poo. The only masked the scent of the shit with the additional talent points available.
>>334771727
>You are why they dumbed down stats so far so every class just has to worry about unga bunga stamina and unga bunga (insert stat for role here) for literally everyone
And there is nothing you can do about it. Wait you could sign a petition!
lmao
>>334771608
By your logic they should entirely remove gear. It's all useless stats and it's such a grind to have to go and get. It's not really fun and engaging so let's just remove it so you only need to play for 15 minutes a week instead of 30!
>>334771221
I don't like new talents because you get choices way further apart and they aren't any better than vanilla
>hey should I get the talent that improves my role or the obvious healer talent
>"the one that benefits you"
or
>hey what gimmicky movement speed option should I take
>"who the fuck cares faggot"
>>334771923
>By your logic they should entirely remove gear
They are removing pvp gear so we are almost there anon.
>>334771725
>arenas
>butchering
bitter rival shitter detected
Seriously considering going back, which faction isn't shit?
>>334771803
My only problem with chance on hit stuff was that it didn't give you what the chance was. I love gimmicky shit like that but I'm not going to gamble on it when that sword might be a 0.5% chance to do that. My autism won't let me, anyway.
>>334771923
>tfw gear has no aesthetic value anymore
>it's just literally numbers
>and it's even less numbers than they had in Vanilla
>>334771608
How about we remove stats entirely. And remove all of the armors and weapons and gaining levels, since they serve no purpose other than inceasing stats.
>>334772006
If you think Arenas weren't a giant shitshow in TBC, you clearly never played during that time.
>>334771890
>talents were still poo
(You)
>>334772087
>considering going back
For what reason
>>334771923
>>334772107
>you can raid since day one
>is about skill and not gear
that would be nice
>>334772006
Arenas were shit.
Its why the game will never be balanced, you can't balance 3v3 with 9 (Now 11, soon to be 12) classes, with 3 specs each.
Arenas just became comp stacking faggotory, BGs were also bad, but not -as- bad.
They really needed to create a world PVP system that wasn't dildos, still suprised they haven't turned the old world into one giant PVP capture the city game like planetside's lattice system.
>>334772198
>This is the type of person that neo-WoW appeals to
>>334771963
and then 90% of people just pick the spec that sims higher, there's no tradeoffs to make when you can change it instantly
>>334772130
nothing changed besides masking the problem by giving us a new tier of choices deeper down the path.
>>334772253
>i need my special gear to feel better about my shitty life
lmao @ you
ill only bother with this if blizzard actually continues with warfcraft 3's story of illidan.
>>334772205
>you can't balance 3v3 with 9 (Now 11, soon to be 12) classes, with 3 specs each
you don't need perfect balance for it to befun
RIP
Why do MMOs even have you level anymore? I like the WoW style endgame focus in most MMOs but the leveling seems entirely pointless. If they scrapped that and just had progression at a base level instead of using all their resources on things involved in leveling then you wouldn't have a content problem for a very long time.
Alright ITT we think of the next expansion as Acti-Blizz would make it
>Lich King comes back
>maybe some time travel shit
>frosty icecrown garrisons
>more ability pruning
>new class is necromancer
>>334772316
>old talent trees were shit
that's where you're wrong bud, did you not see me btfo your arguments earlier on in the thread? old talent trees are confirmed amazing, new ones are confirmed shit.
>>334772472
>Lich King comes back
lich king is back in legion but he's a good guy, his dks are the new world police.
>>334772442
Because leveling actually used to be good
Now it's just Blizzard trying to shit you through the system until you are max level so you can get bored and have to wait infinity months for the next content patch
Why is Blizzard so slow at doing anything?
They keep saying every expansion that they have more people working on WoW than ever before, yet content is slower and slower.
wtf is going on
>>334772472
Legion already has new lore setup that Nerzhul still lives on in the Lich King's helmet, and is slowly corrupting Bolvar.
Lich King 2.0 slowly on the rise.
>>334772440
Those are actually interesting. Where those going to be in the game? Oh god why did this happen
>>334767075
>those child bearing hips
>>334772520
literally nothing you said is valid. Old talents are literally relics of the past that did not promote any real creativity or diversity whatsoever.
>>334772636
>Legion already has new lore setup that Nerzhul still lives on in the Lich King's helmet, and is slowly corrupting Bolvar.
thats wrong
>>334772472
>Player-character is now a Titan
>Classes homogenized into a single ability bar
All they did with the new talents is cut out 14 points of passive talents you could have used to mitigate your lack of secondary stats that your class needs to function
Only like 3 talents that actually do anything significant for your spec out of the 15 or so to choose from
>>334772472
>cut specs from lock and DK to make the necro class
>only one raid tier
>5 dungeons + one in a patch
>ICC is a catchup zone with no quests, only dailies/assaults
>dalaran is the only city
>>334772330
HAHAHAHA
>>334771626
>Spec viability was fixed in TBC
Not if you were a pally. It was improved, but Ret wasn't raid-viable until Wrath, and Prot didn't even get a direct taunt until then (You had Avenger's Shield which basically did the same thing though.)
>>334772670
>Old talents are literally relics of the past that did not promote any real creativity or diversity whatsoever.
you didn't actually play the game with old talent trees. you're literally a teenager mopbabby shitposting on 4chan.
>>334766335
he was insane, he wanted to destroy the lich king by destroying the earth
>>334772624
Leveling was "good" because it was still relatively fresh. Quest grinding was a chore, it had charm sometimes but the majority of the time you just wanted it to be over. People are tired of it now. If anything leveling has improved in MMOs, but not enough to buy back people's interest.
Scrap leveling, put that massive amount of resources into developing more interesting classes, more actually meaningful content, better items, etc. RO-faggots complain that
>Why do you visit this area and then never visit it again?
And as much as I hate those rose tinted fucks they make a point, but not the way they mean to. If you're making an endgame focused game, you shouldn't have reason to revisit old zones, you just shouldn't have those zones to begin with. They're pointless.
>>334772820
most raid groups had a ret just for the aura and prots were the aoe tank kings in bc.
>>334772820
>needing taunt
The indirect taunt was still able to be used for tank swaps and was better in every way if your healer drew aggro.
It was just awful to use requiring cast on target's target macros.
>>334772820
Why do Paladins need a taunt?
Hopefully it takes longer to level this time.
It's shit being halfway through a zone and being overlevelled, especially when they expect you to finish all the zones for flying
Nothing's a bigger drag than having to do all the quests in a zone 8 levels below you when you're max level with tier gear
>>334772831
>resorting to shitposting
How fucking pathetic can you get? I've been playing since a week after Vanilla launched. Been a Resto raid healer (more like a mana battery for my party) and a poorly geared Enhancement Shaman in PVP (our PVP set didn't even have a full on melee stat set, it had elemental pieces mixed in). Talents were literally filler where all it was really about was hitting important nodes for must have talents,
>>334770897
There are a lot of "objectively bad" talents in retail most of the time there's a lot of choice and you can change your talents to be what you would enjoy
What went wrong?
Why did blizz become so greedy after stark craft 2??
>>334773076
Sparkle Pony.
>>334773076
Because it isn't Blizz anymore.
>>334767157
Well it's not like he's in charge of business decisions in the company
>>334773076
Activision
>>334767952
didnt she state that "there will be no prison for you this time"?
>>334773002
>Talents were literally filler where all it was really about was hitting important nodes for must have talents
And it still allowed you to exercise creativity whereas current talent trees don't.
>>334772970
the macro was super simple and worked perfectly
>>334773287
>no argument left
looks like we're done here.
>>334773235
She didn't know he was a full demon back then.
>>334772926
At least holy were the buff/STH kings.
>>334772987
PROT paladins needed a taunt. They got one in TBC, an indirect one. It'd attack enemies, hopping to 2 other ones nearby, and silenced them if I recall, haven't played prot pally in ages though. They didn't have shit in vanilla so as such if you tanked as one you got laughed out of PvE. Only good prot pally I can think off off-hand really was Zalgradis, and he only rolled prot to not get shit on by rogues. And he was a PvPer, not a PvEer.
>>334773363
It's an argument that you have yet to disprove.
I haven't played since Ulduar in Wrath. Should I resub? I've heard it's pretty awful now but I don't know whether to believe the nostalgia cucks or the blizzard shills
>>334773473
That wasn't the taunt, that was avengers shield.
They got the one that you cast on an ally and 4 targets attacking them would be taunted to you.
>>334767531
In fairness they implied he lived in TFT, but just fucked up
>>334773287
You literally know nothing about the current talent trees if you truly believe that. You can completely change your play style. And legion is doubling up on that.
>>334770716
youre just proving the fact you never did serious pve or pve and then you go on to call others casual...
did YOU even play vanilla
>>334773734
Current talents have such huge disparities between then in almost every tier that it would be foolish not to take the best one which is usually a very clear choice.
>>334773528
He has several times, as have many others, you ignored it and keep claiming the old sstem was better simply because it was first and nostalgic..
>>334773734
>You can completely change your play style
You can easily change your playstyle with old talent trees. The difference is you had 71 talent points in Wrath compared to 7 now.
71 > 7
Customization is key to a good RPG, current WoW allows for literally zero thinking outside the box and creativity.
>>334771241
>every level
confirmed for never playing WOW at all
>>334773796
>youre just proving the fact you never did serious pve or pve and then you go on to call others casual...
I've done plenty of serious pve/pvp, and I did play Vanilla
>>334773920
>nostalgic
nice meme
>is a vanillafags refuse to believe talents were cookiecutters episode
lol
>>334770872
No fuck you, everyone getting gear way under level just so they had enough FR for Rag was fucking stupid.
Why is Metzen so obsessed with making Orcs and Illidan true dindus?
>>334774008
You really couldn't. You would get laughed out of the raid if you didn't use the cookie cutter build which objectively provided the highest DPS output. Where as now there are actually choices on which talents to pick based off the encounter you are going on.
>catababbies never played with real talent trees but will shit on them anyway
weew
>>334774186
He's a huge fag.
>>334774129
Sorry kiddo, molten core wasn't very serious.
>>334773734
>You can completely change your play style
rofl
>>334774214
>Where as now there are actually choices on which talents to pick
>You really couldn't. You would get laughed out of the raid if you didn't use the cookie cutter build which objectively provided the highest DPS output.
If you had a shit build, yeah. Plenty of routes could be taken to achieve a non-shit build.
>>334774165
Oh gee, it's not like that wouldn't be the case now since they can do it in a different way. Why do you fucktards never actually think about this shit and always scream "IT WAS THIS WAY BEFORE AND IT WAS SO BAD I CANNOT CONCEIVE OF ANY OTHER WAY BEING DONE WITH IT!!"?
>>334766335
Every one is a dindu nuffin now in WoW. Is there anyone who did something wrong? Those evil racist humans?
>>334774368
Now I'm convinced you either didn't play vanilla, or didn't get past MC. Looks like we're done here, i'll go chalk up another tick mark on my internet arguments won board.
>>334774368
>route
no matter what "route" you took it was all the same, you either got invited to raid for having the mandatory tier talent like Manatide Totem or you didn't get invited at all.
man
3 raid tiers....
>>334774129
>i was a glad and a ebin heroic raider with my special snowflake build
yeah youre not fooling anyone that ACTUALLY played during those times
>>334774320
Raiding was never serious, ever, it was the grind that made everyone jaded elitists, but raiding has never -ever- been hard, its just getting enough people together who aren't on toasters or aren't functionally retarded.
The only thing they've done to raids in the passed 10 years was remove the grind, thus the sense of accomplishment when you actually did kill a boss for the first time.
Killing Hakkar, Rag, Nef for the first time was thrilling, farming Archimonde H to kill Archimonde M is fucking boring.
>>334774214
>Where as now there are actually choices on which talents to pick based off the encounter you are going on.
So you HAVE to use a particular talent for a particular encounter do you? Sounds like you have no choice at all.
And also, if you're continually changing your talent to fit the situation, without any cost, what is the point of having talents at all?
Daily Reminder that Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong
Daily Reminder that Thrall Cheated in the Mak'Gora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC-ol6xY5zQ
>>334774660
whats that actual numbers from 5.4 and 6.2?
the graph is so poorly laid out you cant tell
>>334774165
No it wasn't, it was dope as fuck hunting specific pieces of gear from remote locations.
>>334769856
>Anyone who hates on the old talent system is almost certainly an unimaginative PvE shitter.
Nice projection, but I'm a Glad+R1 RBG and the old system was shit
I loved it when I played it, but I'm sure as hell glad they evolved, especially since you can swap talent in arena prep
>60 unique posts with 2/3 of the people shitting on it
reminder that only blizzard employees try to shill this game.
>Illidan is a "good guy" now for whatever reason
>goes to find Tyrande expecting to be redeemed
>as he approaches the palace he can hear her getting pounded out and screaming Malfurion's name
>>334772087
Well the cancerous part of the Alliance, the 14 year olds, left years ago. The Horde are STILL full-on "ferr the herd" despite having nothing to show for it anymore.
I play both, but these days I lean more towards Alliance. But really it matters on the server.
>>334774768
>what is the point of having talents at all?
you can't change in combat and certain talents completely revamp your dps rotation and priorities.
>>334774660
2 actually
>>334774594
>Manatide
pruned :^)
>>334774785
How can you cheat in a fight to the death? Thrall won because he was stronger.
>>334774838
are people actually shilling ITT? I can only see people arguing over the old/new talent systems
>>334774660
>>334774660
>lets charge $10 more for WOD but we'll give them more content
>just kidding
>>334774689
I actually was an ebin heroic raider with a special snowflake build, I did very well with it because you could exercise creativity with your talents and still be viable.
>>334774923
>revamp your dps rotation and priorities.
That's not really an engaging part of gameplay anyway so who gives a shit about that, and also it doesn't really anyway.
Try again.
>>334774974
Mak'gora has rules, and thrall broke them. The elements want nothing to do with him now
>>334775023
>as great of a launch and WOD
oh god is this cunt for real?
>>334775076
you must be trolling.
>>334774974
i bet you play a rogue you honorless faggot
>>334774974
he cheated
>>334774956
that's because majority of classes do not have mana as a secondary resource anymore.
>>334775113
>Mak'gora has rules, and thrall broke them.
No he didn't.
>Thrall loses in hand to hand combat
>Oh well looks like you beat me, now I'm going to kill you anyway!
>>334774214
you're the kind of kid I shit on in arena with my 20/21/20 spec
>>334774826
Not when I had to wait for 39 other assholes to get it too.
>>334774496
They did do it another way. They called it Resiliance.
>>334775240
>he didn't.
he did, do you even know what a makgora is?
>>334775132
Hmm? That's not an argument.
>>334775304
>Both sides need a witness
>No one was there for Garrosh
>>334775113
>The elements want nothing to do with him now
which is a huge asspull for the elements to give a fuck about garrosh or mak'gora or something that happened in the AU, all so metzen can write another fucking redemption arch but about thrall
>>334775210
>>334775113
There's no rules about using the elements, the 2 rules that were broken were witnesses and armor, which Garrosh also broke.
The elements really are just reflecting Thrall's self doubt, because he keeps blaming himself for killing his best friend's son even though he was his father figure.
>>334775304
He didn't mate. Try a little critical thinking.
>WoD is good guys and legion will the best expansion ever!
you shills are 2 funny
Blizzdrones need to fuck off. Literal Barneyfags.
>>334775329
what you posted earlier was not an argument. The variety in playstyle options from simple talent choices are much more interesting and diverse than your typical shit talents of the past.
Try again Nostalriacuck.
>>334767916
Gul'dan isn't and can't bring him back to life. He's going to do something related to fusing with some objects of power, Illidan himself is stuck in the Nether unable to return to his body.
>>334769062
>3 viable options
Good joke, it's one you pick all the others times and 1 you pick on a certain boss and one completely useless one.
Nostcucks need to fuck off. Literal Barneyfags.
>>334775464
>those posts
Every time it's always the same
Nobody ever learns
>>334775416
>when you come into a thread to shipost and dont read anything
nobody is even talking about the expecs you dense cunt
>>334775468
>The variety in playstyle options from simple talent choices are much more interesting and diverse than your typical shit talents of the past.
Not an argument.
>>334767671
Go beat illidan in the BT again retard, Maiev shows up and imprisons him again.
>>334772820
>Ret wasn't raid-viable until Wrath
Alliance players please leave
>>334775402
>critical thinking
You mean "Oh I'm going to die! Better cheat and use magic to win!"
>>334775652
Not an argument? You mean your lack of one? Varying up a DPS rotation and priorities is literally one of the primary factors of this game. It's pretty much Dance Dance Revolution for your fingers. If you wanted your rotations to never have variety or change you must be such a fucking boring and 1 dimensional player.
>>334775240
>>334775304
>the Enhance shaman artifact quest is literally about Thrall losing the right to Doomhammer because the elements are pissed off that he cheated a Mok'gora
>NUH UH
>>334775745
Nope.
>I'm going to die
>Ok you win
>makgora is now over
>now I can crush you with my immense power that obviously makes me superior to you
Everyone talks about "content". Is WoW actually any fun? Do people pay the subscription fee + $30 an expansion just to look at new 3D models?
Malfurion in a nutshell:
>No illidan, you cant break that crystal in an abandonned continent to kill the ruler of the undead. IT WILL DESTROY THE WORLD.
10 thousand years before
>Do you see that ocean of extremelly condensed magic energy that goes as deep as the core of the earth and pretty much fuels all life we know? We should totally detonate it.
>>334775881
>Ok you win
>makgora is now over
Things that never happened.
>>334775823
>Varying up a DPS rotation and priorities is literally one of the primary factors of this game.
Gee I wonder why everyone left lol
>>334775728
>Playing a belf for anything other than a caster
Nigger, please they look shit as anything that isn't one. IF > UC any day of the week.
