Defend dark souls 3 pvp
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH MUH DICKHEAD SIMULATOR SOCIOPATHIC MURDERFEST ISN'T EASY ANYMORE
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW I CAN'T JUST COLLECT FREE EMBERS BY CHEESING THE SHIT OUT OF HOSTS WITH MY TWINK BUILDS
Get. Fucked. Redfags.
>>334752652
It would have been 2v3 and you would have had a chance if you weren't just standing there and watching.
>>334752652
what's the problem here?
>>334752652
honhonhon
J'aime un petit l'anana
honhonhon
>>334752652
As soon as you defend invading.
>>334752652
git gud faggot
seems perfectly fine to me.
Instead why don't you defend sitting there like an asshole and watching your bro get killed.
>WAAAAAAAAAAHHH I CAN'T TWINK ANYMORE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
>ABLOOBLOO THEY'RE *SNIFF* USING THE T-T-TOOLS THE G-GAME GIVES THEM WAAAAHHHH
>MOMMY WAAAAHHH
>>334752652
>just standing there and watching
What a faggot
>>334752652
>pvp
You invaded someone trying to beat a boss, this isnt pvp, if you werent summoned by a sign their are no bullshit honor codes you stupid twink.
>>334752652
If you are going to invade for the sole purpose of making some guys' life harder, why the fuck would he fight fair?
Invaders run behind enemy units when almost dead, gargle humanity like cum and are all around unfair fighters. When I played DS1 and 2 I never gave those fucks a fair fight, it was "get the fuck out of my world you shit eater" mode so I could finish what I was trying to do in PvE
Same, when I invaded I didn't expect fair fights and I knew I had to be crafty.
If you want honorabu duels then red soapstones.
>>334753897
This, he couldve got an air attack and probably kill 2 if not all of them.
>>334752652
im tired of shitters using a mechanic the game actually ENCOURAGES, to break the game
Being invaded while traversing is supposed to be part of the difficulty of the Souls series. A series known for its difficulty.
i really hope something is done about this. otherwise there will be no invasions. Just fags holding hands and skipping through the game
>>334752652
>wasting that perfect opportunity for a jump drop attack on all 3 of them
>>334753720
>mfw I made an anti-twink blue sentinel character with +10/+5 weapons
>mfw they run away and separate from the world when I spank them hard enough in one hit to almost kill them
>mfw a Twink hate messages me calling me a Twink
>>334755050
maybe if the invaders stopped crying like pussies and evolved it wouldn't be an issue.
>>334755050
>invaders can now chug estus
>the host is the one with their hands held
No fuck off, the only ones with their hands being held now are invaders. They have mobs on their side as well as plenty of healing, there is no excuse anymore.
>mfw killing shitters who need summons to get through the game
Get fucked justicefags
>>334752652
>longswords having as much poise break as STR weapons
Literally indefensible
>>334752652
>didn't jump on them
>didn't save your redbro
>>334755065
You can't fucking twink in this game.
>>334755065
>mfw MLG oroboros/Peeve fanbois try to take me on
>mfw I have parry shield and +10 longsword
>mfw they get rekt every time
>>334755250
>decreased health
>limited estus
>>seed of giants
>friendly fire
>no limit on summon for hosts
If you're gonna lie, get good at it.
I think the pvp is good in general, but my three main problems with it are:
Gank squad priority. Fighting gank squads is fun. Fighting gank squads 100% of the time stops being fun.
Infinite summoning. If the host is even slightly capable of dodging attacks, he can avoid you forever until you eventually get bogged down by unlimited phantoms.
Invading using weapons without xbox huge swing arcs is the epitome of suffering.
Also, I wish invasion constraints were tied to something other then the dried finger. Fighting five fucking people at the same time with an ally is more fun then trying to fight three by yourself, unfortunately two butt buddies is more than enough for most hosts, and nobody wants to open the floodgates for invaders.
>>334755271
>mfw you use enemies to your advantage when your boipussy starts getting pounded by them
Pot calling the kettle black mate.
>waaah i invade to 4 on 1 fights
deal with it, if you can jump into someone elses game and attempt to fuck them when they are just goin about their own shit, then they should have a few cards stacked in their favor to protect themselves
>waaah stunlocked poise pls
don't get hit? knight or dragon kite shields and not wasting stamina do the trick for just about anything anyone's gonna drop on you
>>334755065
I started my new character and every summon is a twink, saw a guy with a 38STR axe and full faarm stuff, he sucked dick and was slaughtered
>/v/ actually defends this
I honestly can't tell if you faggots are just the biggest contrarians alive or whether you're just terrible at videogames and have PTSD of being invaded in other souls games and now you're "getting back" at the people who "bullied" you.
Kill yourselves regardless.
>>334755519
The problem is that the game prioritizes invading 3v1 or 4v1 worlds. It would not be an issue if you weren't forced to fight gank squads all of the time.
>>334752652
easy one:
>GIT GUD
>>334752652
I can't
>>334755516
>it's okay for the host to use every tool he has
>not okay for invaders
No u. Your tears are delicious
>mfw over 80 embers all from invading
>>334752652
Oh look, a PVP thread. People won't get salty and defend the fact that they're shit at the game here.
Anyway, the system is broken for more than just invaders right now, here's why
>solo players almost never get invaded, no reason to not be embered
>it's near trivial to deal with invaders as a group unless they run and hide, which wastes everyone's time
>people who invade so they can get embers are better off co-oping
>people who invade for fun aren't having fun and are whining in these threads
I think that if there's more than 1 phantom in the host's world, reds should be summoned in groups of 2, instead of having one join, stall, and wait for backup. Also, invasions shouldn't be weighted towards groups because that's dumb for solo players who never get any action. I got one invasion when I played, mostly embered too.
>>334755519
>when they are just goin about their own shit
They used an Ember, they deliberately opened up their world for invasion, you stupid fuck. Go about your business offline if you can't handle nasty, mean invaders.
>>334755519
>then they should have a few cards stacked in their favor to protect themselves
You mean besides their higher soul level, 40% more HP, and double flasks?
>>334755450
>>decreased health
Again enemies and estus
>>limited estus
As opposed to not being able to use it in earlier installments
>>>seed of giants
Have yet to encounter anyone with it, git gud at comebacks
>>friendly fire
Only if they use dried fingers is this an issue, also
>attacking the same target when facing 4 people at once
>>no limit on summon for hosts
It takes time to summon another, at the same time this was always the case in all souls games
If you're gonna bitch, get good at it
>>334755840
That number is 30% more. Not 40.
But I see your point.
because invading is old and busted
mound makers is the only fun player killing in the game
>>334755640
Fighting gank squads wouldn't even be a problem either if it wasn't so stacked in their favour.
You're basically required to take the biggest weapon you own with you because if your weapon can't hit everyone at once then you will get fucked the moment you try to swing at something.
That and everyone has a gorrilion points of stamina so once the host and his phantoms get in your face, they're riding your dick forever.
Don't invade in places where you have no tough enemies or traps to fall back on if the world master has his boyfriends around.
>>334755778
>creating a strawman thinking I was attacking him
Calm down fuccboi, try rereading my post before your autism erupts.
>>334755838
>They used an Ember, they deliberately opened up their world for invasion,
Maybe they just want to bro-op with some bros and not get hotdicked.
>NO U CANNOT CO-OP THAT IS AGAINST THE RULES I KILL U NOW
Either way, enjoy your gangbangs.
>>334755558
lion knight something?
I invaded hosts with him a few time and assumed he was an NPC at first because of how bad but tanky he was
It might be fun if latency allowed for it to work properly.
I've never played soulsborne PvP where what you saw was close to what was actually happening, which makes the name of the game "swing about wildly and make educated guesses"
>>334756037
>Maybe they just want to bro-op with some bros and not get hotdicked
Maybe you should play a different fucking game if you want to coop without doing pvp because every single entry in the souls series has had this mechanic. Why haven't you learned how the game works yet? Are you a fucking retard?
>>334756010
nice skirt fag
>>334756010
you should spend more of your autismbux on upgrading your rig m8
>>334756108
>I've never played soulsborne PvP
It's always been like this, you have to adapt.
>tfw killed two invaders and a mad spirit all ganging on me
>One of them with a parrying dagger riposte
I have never orgasmed that hard.
>>334755828
Invaders don't get backup at all unless the host uses a dried finger.
Stalling is actually bad because the host can slap on the way of blue sign and start pulling fun cops into the world as well.
>>334755838
>they used an ember because they want to be invaded!
U wot, the only reason anyone uses an ember is to summon a phantom you deluded faggot
>It's a 'invaders get butthurt that they can't ruin everyones fun' episode
>>334756108
For all of its supposed faults my netcode experience in 2 was a hell of a lot better than in 3. I have no idea how From have regressed with it.
>>334756146
Hey bruh, I'm not the one complaining about ganksquads. If you think I'm not entitled to bro-op without dicking me, then you're not entitled to invading 1v1s either.
Enjoy getting ganked :D
>>334756146
The people who summon phantoms on their first play through are fucking scrubs who refuse to learn or adapt to the games mechanics. It's why they need two phantoms in every zone and why they hate invaders.
>>334756203
>It's always been like this
Hence why I didn't say I've never played Ds3 PvP where...
you illiterate
>>334754281
It's a thrill, hearing the red orb crackle as I'm swathed in dark, ready to ruin someone, nit knowing what I'll find. Being inches away from victory or defeat, knowing, that I am the thing at the back of the host's mind. The thought of them fuming as I shit all over their numbers and tricks, and being the reason they fail. My heart pounds every time.
http://youtu.be/QxJrjV4PNXA
>>334756146
>want to co op play a different ga.r
>why havent you learned how the game works yet?
Apparently you dont understand what ember is entirely used for ruggarell.
I wish this game had better/more diverse armor. DaS 2 beats it handily in the fashion department.
>>334755519
If you're defending FOUR versus one you're a retard. I'd understand maybe 2v1 with no item or flask bonuses, but you're just a shitter.
You can't defend it, that's the thing, it's fucking shit on both sides of the spectrum.
Invaders generally get shit into worlds into a 1v3, and hosts have to deal with a faggot that will take 3 hits, run away and heal with their 8 estus flasks, and then come back again or hide behind enemies.
Dark Souls 2 had the best PVP in the series, hate me all you want but its true. Soul Memory actually keeping fights fairly equal, dodging wasn't completely spammable and makes it so you never get hit, and actually had fun covenants to invade with outside of lelneutral mound makers.
>>334756226
Yes and the game punishes you for being terrible at the game and needing extra HP and your fuckbuddies to help you clear everything by opening you to invasions. It's supposed to be a risk/reward system but unfortunately From have caved in to little faggots like you whining about invasions being "unfair" over the years and now there's almost no risk when using an ember.
>Embered the whole way through the game so far for that sweet sweet HP bonus
>Only time i've been invaded are Aldrich faithful gangbangs
If you want 'muh old fashion rape PVP' go join them and feel like hot shit when group killing players.
>>334756340
Judging by your comment, I'd say
>I've never played Soulsborne PVP
is accurate
>>334756218
>Some guy invades me and my 2 phantom bros
>He doesn't come to us, so we sit around waiting instead of being idiots and going into his ambush
>Blueberry joins
>Dorkmoon joins a minute later
>Dark Spirit hahaumad has returned to their world
kek
I'm SL33 with a +5 weapon and some of my invasions have been against people with like 1500-2000 HP, are these hackers or is it legit that I may be matched with someone that much more leveled than me? I feel like they got to be hacking because they always have some weapon with high stat reqs.
I really wish there was a watchdog mod for das3 so I can know when someone is hacking for sure and just black crystal out.
Is it just me or are basic 1 hand shortswords the most broken weapon type right now
If you get hit once in pvp it is practically guaranteed they will be able to follow up with 4 more hits for your whole health bar while you're stunlocked
Can't do that with great weapons or maces because the stagger wears off faster than the swings but the short swords man
>>334756146
how bout stop being butthurt you can't ruin people's fun anymore.
You are trying to ruin their fun and you're mad they are retaliating against you and winning.
Git fucking gud.
>>334752652
I frankly would rather opt out from PvP altogether.
I've played the series since the beginning, and this is the worst it has ever been for hosts.
I don't want to have to summon people all the time just so I can defend myself against invaders that are stronger than ever.
I appreciate the game's challenge, but invasions really just get in the way. I'm forced to do a bunch of bullshit and try to kill some faggot that's going to run around the map trying to make me aggro a million enemies while I can't homeward bone away, can't use the bonfire, can't do shit unless I pull my router's plug off.
>>334752652
Ahh, delicious invadefag tears. I'm having a blast tearing through you scrubs.
>>334756515
>pretending to like Soul Memory
Listen I get that the "DS2 was good" meme is trending right now. But don't you dare fucking suggest Soul Memory was a good thing
>>334756493
I said if you want to coop WITHOUT the pvp, maybe you should learn to read.
>>334756549
>Yes and the game punishes you for being terrible at the game
And the game punishes you for being terrible at invasions by pitting you against 3v1s.
Have fun.
>>334756549
Something tells me your boipussy was ravaged after using your last cracked red eye orb since youre practically giving away strawmen, anon.
>>334756602
Currently I have 1,000 HP without embering, and embering gives a 40% HP boost.
>>334756726
That is a lot of wasted points.
>"I broke into someone's house to rob them, why did they call the police?"
>>334756515
>Dark Souls 2 had the best PVP in the series, hate me all you want but its true.
I'm pretty sure no one disagrees there, bud
>DeS had a very small PVP scene
>DaS had broken poise, a shitty arena, a terrible backstab system, and bad netcode
>BB PVP is boring
>DS3 PVP right now is hiding behind mobs or insta-dying.
>>334752652
why should I defend it when I could summon two people to do it for me?
>>334756602
When you invade you can end up invading someone 30 levels in front of you. Check the wiki for details.
>>334756602
If I remember right, MM is +/-20, so if scrubs put too much in health, you'll probably end up with a few builds like that
>>334756613
You break out of stunlock after two hits no matter the weapon unless they don't autolock and catch your roll into them.
>>334756624
>He doesn't find the tension of getting invaded fun
Just stop playing Souls games, they were clearly not fucking made for you.
>>334756726
what SL though?
>>334756759
>He doesn't world of strength
Never had to fight a boss more than twice yet.
>>334756664
It sure is a lot fucking better than what we have in DS3. If you think the stupid shit with weapon matchmaking is better than Soul Memory, then I'm sorry but you're retarded.
Soul Memory fucked you over if you lost too many souls, but honestly didn't really matter after the million point because the tiers were wide.
>>334756806
>>334756804
I'm invading as sunbro
>>334756491
every time i think i can't possibly find a bigger faggot on this sight someone surprises me
>>334756809
Yet I've died several times today to straightsword users stunlocking me from full health to nil
Mash roll key or hope they run of stamina (they don't), same outcome
>>334752652
it's optional
I'm still having a lot of fun with invasions. You're just forced to use the map/enemies more for the kill. For real easy mode you can "twink" with flame weapon/Estus upgrades and straight up 3v1 people in the earlier areas such as the swamp.
Also setup parries with target shield+hornet ring are broken atm since pretty much everyone will follow up their R1 with another R1.
I didn't kill tree yet by cleared the rest of undead settlement, can I still join the Mound Makers? How do I do so?
Faggots don't realize that asymmetric PvP is the best. 3v1? Fucking throw bombs, run, camouflage, hide, ambush, poison, come up with anything you can. They'll run out of estus eventually.
Fuck all of you 1v1 final destination faggots.
>>334756693
Well theres no way to do that in any souls game, the only person here bitching about pvo is you since youre the one getting spanked by them. Youre the one invading them through the orb, not the sign, its open season from that point on autismo.
>>334756938
>3v1? Fucking throw bombs, run, camouflage, hide, ambush, poison, come up with anything you can.
It's funny, because half the people who say this then say
>WTF INVADERS USING THE ENVIRONMENT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE ARE FUCKING FAGGOTS
>>334756717
Explain to me how this system hasn't come about because of people whining about invasions being "unfair".
You cannot tell me otherwise, it is a very clear design choice to punish invading.
>>334756926
What's the target shield?
>>334753720
>It's a B'AWWW retort episode
>>334752652
This is actually a good thing.
As an invader you actually need to use your BRAIN instead of just rushing towards your hapless foe and spamming R1 with your Chaos Greatsword.
You need to use the terrain to your advantage, use mobs to wear down the host and his phantoms, lie in ambush and wait for the right opportunity to strike.
DaS III PvP is the best in the series so far. Fuck off with your fight club 1v1 bullshit.
>>334756929
[spoiler/]you know how there are those dudes with pots and boards on their backs? well there is one with an empty cage on his back, he won't aggro you, go find him and get in the cage.
OUPs a fag and anti invaders summonbabbies. Instead, let's do something productive, tell of your successful invasions and share tips to help your fellow dickwraiths.
>invade in farron keep
>>host has a phantom
>engage but losing because frostbite
>go to the swamp
>use quickstep to not lose speed
>use dung pies to induce toxic and use my higher mobility to backstabber phantom
>host runs away into the waiting arms of a .monster
>HOST OF EMBERS DESTROYED
More to come
>>334754393
This
Why not just plunge attack the shit out of them and fight?
I found your problem OP, you need to stop being such a gigantic cock sucker faggot
>>334756759
1000hp is 27 vig
you can get that as a level 24 knight and then wreck invaders with raw broadsword/astoras
>>334756909
Praise me more sempai
>>334757057
>waaaah I shouldnt be punished for trying to ruin a players game and take his ember from him
U srs m8
>>334756491
>The devil tips his hat to me
How appropriate
>>334756814
point out when I said I don't enjoy the tension of getting invaded?
I'm just saying not everyone who plays the game is the same person.
If you want to invade and can't hang tough against greater odds maybe you should stop playing souls games.
>>334757062
It's been in all three games anon, it's a larger shield that behaves like the buckler with it's better parry frames.
>>334756929
Wait, is he the lone one looking over the cliff on the right past the bridge?
>>334756938
It'd just be nice if they mixed it up more and had varying numbers on each side
>>334757261
Maybe if plebs like you weren't so bad at the game YOU could do the punishing yourself? Fucking idiot.
>>334752652
>Lord Wiggles est mort
RIP, Lord Wiggles.
Give me the motivation to get through Irithyll Dungeon, this area fucking sucks.
>>334757134
>highlight text
>press ctrl + s
Thank me later, friend.
>>334757329
Fuck, meant first part for
>>334757134
>people complain nonstop about facing parties when invading
>never get summoned as fun cops covenant ever
>>334757329
I've had plenty of fights with varying numbers of all kinds of phantoms.
>>334757394
So you dont have any real response just another strawman? Got it.
>you will never be summoned as a Blue Sentinel, Blade of the Darkmoon, or Watchdog of Farron
>>334757261
The fact you think simple pvp is "ruining a players game" is unbelievable
>I'm so bad at the game I need people to carry me through the game
>I'm so shit at the game I can't possibly beat an invader
>Invaders are assholes because I'm not good enough to have fun at pvp and it takes me hours to get through an area
Well, what's the fucking point then? To tell your friends you beat le ebin hard game? Fuck off.
>He doesn't use a Dark Sword
>>334757416
You endured Farrol Keep.
Irithyll Dungeon is fucking nothing.
>>334757441
This was the one of the best things I had learned while browsing 4chan. Top notch convenience
>>334757493
Ive been summoned as a blue sentinel a couple of times. Sad part is most fags dont talk to npcs so most miss the blue boys club so being summoned isnt as common as it should be.
>>334752652
this isn't what i call pvp
i will reserve my opinion for dark souls 3 pvp for the end game when everyone has finalized builds and intend to pvp 1v1 instead of ganking retards who have to use phantoms to finish the game
>Purples
What a stupid covenant. Do they really think people are going to summon their purple signs knowing they will get betrayed?
>>334757480
I'll strawman all I want because the pvp is clearly fucked and clearly the only people who benefit from it are stupid faggots who can't win fair fights.
Enjoy it while you can because I can almost guarantee the stupid gooks at from will realise their mistake and revert it to an older style on invasion system and then your fucking ass is open season for me.
>>334756146
Shut the fuck up, you and the other reds are the ones bitching about this, I've not seen a single co-opfag complain about this.
this thread is pretty good bait, i almost fell for it myself. well done, OP.
>>334757509
>simple pvp
Hes invading through an orb, not a sign you samefagging double nigger.
>>334756929
from the area with the cult worshipping the burning tree with the fat bitch, take the wooden bridge and instead of going through the farm go right over the top of the roofs, try to find one of those big saw guys carrying a cage on his back. Hop inside the cage
>>334757673
This. How does that even work?
>>334757261
>Wah I don't like a major aspect of a series
Maybe you should play something else
I've been greatly enjoying the pvp. Its the first game since DeS that has had playable multiplayer for me (DaS1 and 2 were insane lagfests for whatever reason).
I think the ganksquads are a bit much at times. It should've been that there can be 1 less red spirit than coop spirits beyond the base of host+ phantom. An invaded host who is summoning multiple phantoms is the highest priority on the invasion list for more phantoms to punish him for being a little bitch and summoning thirty million phantoms because boo hoo a single invader.
Invaders SHOULD be the underdog. It makes invading way more fun. If I wanted honourable 1v1s I'd use soapstones.
That being said I'm getting real sick of invaders crying constantly about ganksquads when 90% of the invaders I've fought run like little faggots the second they're getting their shit pushed in 1v1 or 2v1s and hide behind enemies and make gestures like they're hot shit.
>mfw using white branch in the double crocdog area in anor londo then seed of giants when the stupid fucks hide behind the crocdogs trying to gank like the bitches they are
>>334757689
>I've not seen a single co-opfag complain about this
Wow I can't imagine why!
Dark Wraithing was never easy. It was never meant to be easy.
Rise above and dominate the weak.
>>334757673
would have been a lot better if purples could win by helping kill bosses too, imagine the rage as you're about to down a hard boss and the purple asshole you summoned backstabs you
So exactly what advantages does an invader get this time around anyways?
>They get better estus if they're trying to twink it up
>Weapon memory means that the invader doesn't get better weapons.
>There's almost no mob in the game that is going to last long enough against a host and two phantoms to make something out of.
>This game has a notably small amount of level mechanics for invaders to use against a host.
>Actually, invaders get a smaller choice of weapons, because they need to be as scummy and tryhard as possible. Good fucking luck trying to fight three people with a spear.
>The invader gets to come prepared, but that's a moot point this time around because every invasion is going to have phantoms, who also come prepared.
>Stunlocks automatically break after two hits, so an invader cannot use an opening to burst somebody down
>people shitting on invading
>I used to be one of those people
>beat the game
>realize I don't want to assist people with bosses or deal with (as a blue) 'those' red faggots who just sit back and wait to pounce 20 minutes after they invade
>invade
>4/5 times the host has 2 phantoms
>get hit with longsword as if its hitbox was the ultra fume greatsword
>nopoisegame
>no escape
>die
Feels like I have no real covenant to associate with now
>>334757148
the easiest way to win in the swamp is just to wait for the host to get killed by a monster on his own, especially those giant tree holding fucks
>>334756909
>sight
>>334752652
so you are crying because you are invading the world of another player that is playing coop with other people and say that is unfair?
that is not pvp, that is an invasion, the game already have places for "formal pvp" stop crying and get good faggot
>>334757686
>invader saying others dont fight fair when they funnel them into mobs of +5 enemies after they purposefully invade their world to fuck their progress up
I can see youre angry so Ill leave the conversation there.
>>334757827
You're the retard telling people to play a different game because they dislike a core mechanic, co-op has been here from the start and will always be here, it's the invaderfags who need to move the fuck on if they can't handle this.
>>334755592
I really do hope they're just vapid shitposters and don't actually let 3 other people play the game for them so their precious fun doesn't get halted in a game that's supposed to fuck their shit up.
>Dark Souls 2 had the best PVP
>Santier Spear
>Helixodon
>Avelynn
>Resonant Weapon
>Soniculars
>buff stacking
>overpowered magic
>no unlimited red eye orb
>Soul memory
>arenas full of tryhards running the current meta build
>cheaters everywhere
>Dark Souls 2 had the best PVP
>>334752652
Defend? Lmao
I alt f4 every. single. time.
>>334757781
Maybe you should samefag somewhere else my strawman obsessed sperg.
![confused1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ADwFCE6.jpg "confused1[1].jpg")
How exactly does weapon matchmaking work? Is your weapon level just added to your soul level? If I managed to get a soul level 10 character with a +10 weapon, would I just never be able to invade anybody ever because nobody in that level range has a +10, or would I invade people as if I was level 20?
You guys act like this game takes skill or some shit. I still don't understand why something with such slow paced combat would be interesting to some many people. Man times sure have changed.
>>334752652
As edgy as its sound, I really like the farron greatsword and that sweet moveset.
>>334758006
>a player versus player situation is not PvP
Am I reading this wrong?
>>334758131
never ever.
>>334758008
>when they funnel them into mobs of +5 enemies
Who's strawmanning now? Also learn to use apostrophes you uneducated fuck.
>>334758006
The issue is that you are prioritized to invade into 3v1s or 4v1s, not that you have to fight ganksquads sometimes. It's stupid. There is no risk to popping an ember and then not summoning because you will almost never get invaded.
>>334757148
carthus bonfire is best area. it was 1v4 but i just stood up where the rolling boulder is and the phantoms came at me one at a time and i was able to pretty easily kill them. The last phantom and host tried to rush me at the end but I just focused down the host and the boulder killed us both. That's a success in my book.
If someone need a full squad to get through the game they're shit, if you can't find a way to beat them it's your own fault. The games have always had ganks, you either learn how to deal with this or stop invading.
>>334758118
>Literally my first time posting in that chain of replies
Just kill yourself if you can't acknowledge you're wrong
>>334757894
I don't know anything about DS3 but when I was in that situation in DS2 my solution was to join the dragons.
>bawwwwwww gank squads are unfair unbalanced game is ruined :(
>bawwwwwww invading is unfair you're ruining my experience :(
Go play Dark Souls 2 if you want le hugbox 1v1 honor dueling, Reddit
Whats the fastest way to get into an invasion-covenant?
I don't like PvP because I can't handle the lag, but I was thinking about making a character for larp-invasions or something, like dressing up as darkwraith and imitate an encounter just for the fun of it
>>334758239
that's because of the ring that allows you to have 1 more guest but also 1 more invader.
>>334757261
Invasions have been a thing in the Souls series from the get-go, and if done well they're fun as fuck
If you think they're "ruining someone's game" you're retarded, but, hey, there's a retards options for you: just play non-embered.
ITT: Orb invaders complaining about getting anally annihilated by bro-opers because they cant git gud at using enemies and environmental hazards
You kids must be new to the souls scene.
>>334758276
Again, issue isn't with gank squads. The issue is that invading prioritizes them instead of just randomly invading whomever is within your are and range.
>>334758313
You get mound makers before you fight the big tree boss and its not long after that you can get the Red Eye Orb from whats his face up the top of firelink
>>334758313
You don't need an "invasions covenant" all you need is the Red Eye Orb which you get from talking to Leonhard after getting a Pale Tongue and killing the Darkwraith
Look on Leonhard's wiki page if you don't know how
>>334758326
>just play non-embered
b-b-b-but I can't beat bosses without my hp boost and 2 friends to carry me!!!: :'(
>>334757148
>invading undead settlement on release
>host has a white and blue is summoned
>lure them down a drop with a red-eye mob at the bottom, enclosed space allows us to make quick work of both of them
>host sits there summoning another phantom and another blue invades
>sit at the area with the firebomb chucking hollows on the rafters and mr.claypot man on the ground
>they aggro the mobs
>engage them on the bridge on their retreat, only manage to kill the blue when suddenly
>host of embers destroyed
>mr.claypot knocked the other phantom and the host off the bridge while I wasn't looking
5 kills 1 invasion baby.
>>334758075
I don't play pvp myself but from watching videos DS2 seems to have had the best PvP, its the most enjoyable to watch at least, seems relatively stable in comparison to the lagstab-fest that DaS was, and whatever Bloodborne PvP revolved around
>>334755857
>have yet to encounter anyone with a seed of a tree of giants
I invaded for about four hours in the Japanese version one day. 70% of all worlds were a three-man ganksquad with an active giant seed. It should be a reward for dying to an invader, not killing one.
>>334756892
>>334756806
>>334756804
yeah sunbro invasion matching is your SL +10 or -30 for host SL so that means someone would have to have 1500HP at SL43, which I don't think is impossible but holy fuck.
>>334758352
>giant seed
>>334758352
they mostly want to invade a player trying to end the game and fuck up his progress, and since invaders are usually bad at the game they just can't handle jolly cooperation
I enjoy ganking hosts and reds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>334758280
>>334758326
No, you just refuse to read correctly as it clearly means you use enemies on someone just to fuck up the progress those kids make in an area. Not my fault you get spanked because you cant into using enemies and traps in areas. So dont even try to twist my words into a strawman roody poo.
>>334758496
I've been playing up to Road of Sacrifice unembered because I'm a Jew with consumables in RPGs including the use of embers
I really love the phantom range on the straight swords, so epic and awesome to get hit 5 meters away from a host and his boyfriends
>>334757416
It's incredibly short.
>>334757125
sure
>>334757673
I get summoned fairly frequently. Most people seem to be treating it like dueling or something. 90% of the time the host summons then attacks you on sight. It's a stupid, poorly thought out covenant that could have been one of the more fun ones since there is no incentive to do anything other than just kill the host on sight.
Why would I want to defend some shitty JRPG?
>>334758615
>ruin a player's game
this is what you literally said, no-one is twisting your words you illiterate retard
>>334757527
Multiplayer is a small aspect of Souls. Most people don't participate in it besides a couple of summons.
>>334758352
Pretty much this. Everyone complaining about this are invading wanting a 1 on 1 honorable anime duel.
>mfw I invade a host with 2 sun fag bodyguards and I keep raining arrows on them while taking cover behind enemies
>>334758575
You say that like the enemies only attack the invader scrub. On top of that its such a rare item used that if you use that as an argument youre only saying it out of rsge of being spanked.
Git.
Gud.
>>334758615
>Utilizing a major feature of the game
Go play something else if you can't handle us "ruining somebody's game"
>>334758708
>>334757673
You don't use the sign, you use the Red Eye Orb with it and change allegiances constantly
The sign is only good for trolling new players while wearing the white phantom ring
>>334755558
That's an NPC moron.
>>334755519
>just goin about their own shit
Apt choice in a baby image you reddit faggot, is the game too hawd if deres no big stwong phantoms to cawwy you?
>>334756491
top quality post
>>334757673
I got invaded by a purple dude you sat around, so I summoned a 2nd purple and he killed him and finished his objective
Shit was hilarious
>>334757148
>invade in road of sacrifices
>host has 4 fucking summons
>pelt them with arrows to get their attention
>they chase me
>drop all my gear except my rings
>now we wait
>they lose interest or just give up
>making their way through the level as I stalk them
>use atonement? the hex that draws monsters to you
>gankers get ganked
>use warcry and strong R2 as they're being stunlocked by crows
>kill 3 of them
>last remaining sunbro pulls out a zwihander
>and a shile
>dumbass
>kick open his guard and riposte him
>dead
>use the iron of the irithyl jailers to keep the host from healing
>dark sword does the rest
Can't believe I haven't gotten any hatemail yet, maybe I'm insufficient?
So this means Dark Souls 3 online is going to die faster just because of extremely rampant gank squads which gives invaders less reason to invade.
And then with less invaders Dark Souls 3 will just become a boring Co-op game?
>>334758714
>I refuse to read your post because I take everything at face value and wont look into what anything means
Back to where you belong
>>>/NeoGaf/
>>334758575
giant seed is a very rare item, most people won't use it unless they are making big progress PvE and don't want people to screw it
>PVP HAS TO BE FAIR!
>THEY MUST STOP WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND BOW
>NO HEALING
>NO PHANTOMS
>PEOPLE MUST PLAY BY MY RULES WHEN I INVADE THEM
Every souls game. Honorable duel faggots are the worst.
I like being invaded. It's fun. I played through the ENTIRE game embered, solo. I got invaded 3 times not counting NPCs.
I got fucking invaded more in dead Dark Souls 2 a week before 3's release than I did during the release week of 3. That says a lot.
>>334758535
The best thing about DS2 PvP was that there were actually a massive amount of viable weapons and different fighting styles. Sure there were a lot of memesters using generic ice rapiar and santier's spear, but there were also a ton of unique builds because the upgrade system in DS2 is simply amazing and there's tons of weapon variety, especially with the DLC and power stance
right now the biggest problem with DS3 DLC is that there's basically only about 4 kinds of weapons that are worth using. There's "big weapons" which all work the same, there's "swords" which all work the same, and there's estoc and katana. That's pretty much all you're ever going to see. Spears/polearms are shit, there's only like one weapon with a cool unique moveset (that abyss watcher sword). Every fight is the same because there's no variety.
Maybe things will get better when people start exploring more unorthodox fighting styles. I literally haven't seen a single person ever use a bow during normal combat for example, only for sniping
Does Old Wolf Curved Sword hold up in endgame? I love it's skill and passive, but I think it's gonna fall off in damage hard.
Goddamnit bros we were supposed to fucking rape the shit out of new players with our +10 weapons and twinked out build but FROM SOFTWARE CRIPPLED US BY GIVING THOSE STUPID HOSTS THE ABILITY TO SUMMON HELP. HOW THE FUCK IS THIS FAIR? I'M FUCKING ANGRY NOW. I WAS SUPPOSED TO RUIN THEIR FUCKING GAME BUT THEY FIGHT BACK. FUCK THIS SHIT
FUCK
THIS
GAME
>>334758968
>I'm trying my hardest to use a language I don't understand at all and blame it on others when my babbling isn't making sense, then point to Neogaf for some reason
nice, nice
>>334758131
Some people are saying it isn't a thing. Others are saying it just sets the lower end of who you can invade. Like at +3 you can no longer invade people with +1 or less weapons.
Gank squads woudn't be so much of a problem if it wasn't so hard to kill somebody quickly
>Hit somebody
>They automatically break the stunlock and roll away
>Their two friends prevent punishing as they heal
>Repeat infinitely
In other games you could fight the gank head on if you were good enough, but this time around even the game mechanics are against you, and not just the one I said.
Only time that winning a straight up fight seems remotely possible is when the host/phantoms are batshit afraid of you and give you an opening to run down somebody you've injured.
>>334758827
>utilizing a major feature of the game
Such as signs for co-oping, good job faggot.
>>334758976
Nobody has asked for this, you people keep making it up as though it's been said
>>334758634
you get both kindled AND you get an ember item every time you help a host kill a boss. It's pretty much impossible to run out because you can leave your sign outside a boss door and get summoned in 3 seconds right now
>>334759060
This. I asked for a refund already. This is not a real souls game.
>>334758983
> I got invaded 3 times not counting NPCs.
Damn, that's a lot. I went through the entire game embered, and with Darkmoon/Blueberry shit on. Never got invaded, never got summoned to defend against an invader. Shit sucks.
>Initial week of DaS3
>it's better than two!!!
>Issues with PvP start getting more attention
>Eh, it's shit just like two
Is this a new cycle?
>>334758965
It's a fucking cycle
The early weeks of DS is always full of co-op, as soon people get all the rewards for the covenants people will start to focus on invasion
>>334759067
>throwing out another strawman because he has no rebuttal
Stay mad from being spanked then fuccboi.
Quit crying, faggots.
Invading isn't PvP, it's PK.
PK was always a divisive thing and most MMOs either did away with it or put PKers on separate servers because most people thought it was a shit mechanic.
You fags don't deserve to have it easy.
Remember, as a dickwratih, you're there to be as much of a DICK as possible. Harrass and aggravate the host, it doesn't matter if you don't win, in fighting you, he and his summons have to use up supplies they need to get through the level. Don't blindly rush in like a faggot. Deceit, patience and the knowledge you are fucking shit up just by being there, these are your weapons.
>>334757172
Maybe because friendly fire is only on for reds
>>334756303
I'll be enjoying using my game trainers too :D
>>334759125
It's almost like they're shitposters and you keep responding to them.
What a surprise.
>>334759113
Nobody is getting mad that people are doing jolly cooperation, people are annoyed that the odds are significantly stacked against you when you do. It should be asymmetric, but 3 vs 1 as the norm is ridiculous
What bothers me about this game is how easy it is to fuck up a quest.
>mfw Yuria
You fart on the wrong room and she leaves the shrine along with 3 more npcs.
>>334759245
Try having your posts make sense, Juan. "B-b-but you're taking what I said as what I said" isn't going to cut it on your green card exams
>>334759223
Dark Souls multiplayer was never good and it's about time people accepted it.
>>334752652
It's entirely fair. Invasions=/=duels. It's not a test of skill, It's a fight. If you don't use every scumbag trick in the book, the opponent will.
They still have to deal with enemies, which is why you should be as dickish as possible with where you invade.
This wraith is a failure.
>muh fair duels
>muh progress and -~*fun*~-
When did this place get so casual?
>>334758829
Wait you can invade as a moundmaker? Didn't know that.
Used the ring trick but since they can lock on to you and can't see your name or health unless you're their very first summon its pretty obvious from the start.
>>334759297
>red will die anyway from gang spank
>not taking advantage of the triple plunge attack being laid out for you from his sacrifice
>>334757673
Purple covenant is the funnest one out of all of them.
You invade a world and anyone is free game. You either kill a spirit, that is an invader of any type or the hosts summons or you can kill the host. It's a free for all for you. You're a mad spirit for a reason.
Always great when the red invader doesnt expect you to suddenly stab him.
>>334758965
Yup. Game's going to be dead as fuck in a couple of weeks at this rate unless From do some changes. If their previous updates are anything to go by they'll probably wait until the first round of DLC before doing any major changes to the invasion system so yeah, game's gunna die.
dark souls pvp is, and always has been, stupid, imbalanced garbage.
>Invade as red
>Gank squads galore
>Invade(Wait around 3 fucking hours) as blue
>Host disconnects
I JUST WANT MY DARKMOON RING
>>334759032
pretty much every weapon in the game does the same ~500/600 damage at max upgrade, old wolf cured sword is pretty generic. It will work fine
>>334755065
what is that gif from?
>>334759178
This dumbass doesn't even realize that post was completely facetious.Typical dark souls pvper. Too bad you aren't actually good at any real games with real, balanced online competition.
>>334752652
Dark Souls is not a PVP game
>>334758983
>play solo
>only being invaded once
>try to summon any redfags I find
>unable to summon dark spirit
Life is dull.
>inb4 dried fingers
>>334755250
>They have mobs on their side as well as plenty of healing
that actually would have added to my point of "this game is supposed to be difficult" you fucking retard. there is no challenge in invasions knowing you can, and will always have back up. also invader has gimped health anyway
irl only pussies jump people. i guess the net suddenly changes that huh?
>everyone does like 500 damage to me with every single weapon
>i only do 250 a swing at most with a 40/40 str/dex scythe
fucking bullshit this is
>>334759579
I am actually really good st CSGO and League of Legends so about you fuck off casual?
>>334756215
Did you roleplay to them too, faggot?
>>334755065
I know you're a liar.
Everybody knows that nobody actually fucking manage to get summoned as a blue sentinel, these are just myths.
>>334759436
None of them would have been killed.
>literally 0 good covenant rewards
lol
>>334759378
Reread my last post for my reply since its basically the same shit coming from your last post.
>>334755592
>biggest contrarians alive
everyone besides invaders loves it, it's the perfect storm of people like you who can't stand their own brand of fun ruined when it came at the expense of someone else's
>>334759456
The difference is in the older entries even if you were gimped by your weapon/gear choice you could still outplay your enemies and beat them handily if you were better at the game than them.
In 3, or in any of the other games infact, going against 3 enemies (especially when poise doesn't work) is almost never going to go well for you regardless of how good at the game you are. It doesn't reward good play.
>>334759627
what upgrade level is the scyth?
also I think Scythe is a sweet spot weapon in this game, like a halbred. If you hit with the handle you do shit damage but if you hit with the blade you do normal damage
>mfw parrying balsy hosts chasing me with their ganks and then one shoting them with hornet ring
This is literally the best ring of the game.
>>334759787
That's like, your opinion dud
>>334758131
SL range is +/-10 as a general rule
Weapon reinforcement range is +/-2
Weapons that only go to +5 are doubled
Reinforcing anything is a oermanent decision, forever setting your reinforcement bracket to the highest you've ever reinforced anything, even if you go full retard and reinforce a shield
>>334759627
The weapon balancing is bad.
Look at the Broadsword in comparison to anything else. I started using it while I was waiting for some decent greatsword to drop, but I ended up just staying with it because I have zero incentive to use anything else.
Are miracles any good? Throwing points into faith every now and then, but this miracle vendor bitch doesn't have anything offensive even after giving her a tomb.
>>334759430
When all the springfags started posting here. I can only imagine the horror of what summer will bring this year.
>implying I can even get online to play pvp past this retrieving latest calibrations bug
