>Legion will release on August 30, 2016!
>More than year of HFC
My sides
>>334733003
When Legion releases wow is going back to its roots. People won't even talk about vanilla servers because it will be so good.
>>334733449
Hope so
I don't raid so I don't know the answer to this but what's the point to even being a raider when you're out of content?
Selling mythic hfc runs for money and then what?
>>334733449
Sure, just like wod.
>>334733449
One can only hope, I already want to level myself a blood elf demon hunter.
>>334733449
I'm likely buying Legion on release to play with friends, but you're delusional if you actually believe that.
Why don't they go to consoles also? Works great with ffxiv and the graphics aren't as demanding.
>>334733449
Yes it is literally TBC 2.0.
>>334733752
That's retarded for a couple reason, biggest being the skill gap between people that are already bad and people that are much worse barely being able to do easy content.
I'd love a warcraft spin-off built with consoles in mind though.
>50$
>>334733003
This is the first expansion I won't be buying on release, feels kinda weird
>>334733449
enjoy your time gated garrison 2.0 missions
>>334734163
Garrisons weren't the problem, the problem was having nothing to do outside of them and not seeing people inside of them. Class Halls and World Quests fixes both of these issues.
>>334733752
Because that would require a major overhaul of everything in the game. The engine isn't ready for consoles, to begin with.
FFXIV classes have little more than 10 skills each, while on WoW, each class has at least 5 or 6 skills for their base rotation alone, not counting cooldowns and situational skills, which can easily be 10 or more in certain classes.
WoW would just never work on consoles, not this iteration anyway. Maybe a new Blizzard game would, but WoW would be too much of a hassle to port to consoles at this point.
Either way, I doubt Blizzard would ever do it. WoW at this point, is getting to the minimal resources stage of it's life. They're putting as little effort into it as they can, and will keep doing it like this until it's finally not profitable.
>>334734338
Order hall missions are time gated and required for your relic, enjoy
>>334734601
Artifact Power is received everywhere and nothing is gated by Order Hall quests but cosmetics.
>getting all your shitposting material from /v/
lol
>>334734475
>FFXIV classes have little more than 10 skills each
Unless they cut down a lot of skills that's not true at all.
Or at least I was running at close to 20 buttons mapped.
>>334734756
I only played it before the expansion, so maybe it increased after that, dunno.
But when I was playing, I could go by fine with using around 11 or 12 skills. The remaining little amount of the other skills were shit that wasn't worth using at all, even in specific situations, and I didn't even map them. I assumed it was like that for every class.
>>334734694
The top thread on the forums right now is about how relic upgrade requires time gated missions, stop shilling
>>334734994
[citation needed]
I'm actually wondering how badly WoD has been doing since they haven't even given it out for free yet (beyond 14 day trial). I got my Cataclysm (+lvl 80 booster) when they were bleeding players at the end of Cata.
>>334734975
I only played before Heavensward too. What class did you play?
>>334734994
link it.
even if that happened in the alpha there's no reason to be upset until it's in the final game.
>>334733449
You think it will, but it won't.
>tfw every paladin in the game will get THE ASHBRINGER before my tauren can use a fucking totem
>>334735101
>>334735252
>spoon feed me
>you see that the an artifact mission called enemies of air requires a completion of 4 follower missions, with the one available seen taking a DAY.
>http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17610944120
>>334734994
sorry, you know nothing...
They completely acknowledge the toxicity that garrisons brought to an MMO, and have stated that it made the game feel like a single player game.
They are nerfing anything you can get from WoD garrisons to insure you will not go back once you hit 110, and the only mission you can get in your order hall is once a day, and requires you to actually go out in the world to get your reward, which is btw, COMPLETELY OPTIONAL
They stated and I quote, "We do not even view these daily missions as 'content', it is .3% of legion
There are actually posts by alpha testers right now, saying that there actually is an overwhelming amount of content on Legion Launch
>>334735812
Nowhere have they said they'll remove that mission though, and they've even said they want offline progression to still be a thing
>>334733003
WoW is fucking dead in the water.
>>334735597
notice how there are big random barricades and how the shaman quest is labeled as a death knight quest.
refer back to
>even if that happened in the alpha there's no reason to be upset until it's in the final game.
>>334735597
It's not mandatory. Artifact power is gained through many different ways
>>334733449
>wow is going back to its roots
I know this is bait, but explain in detail how.
>>334736030
>refer back to
>even if that happened in the alpha there's no reason to be upset until it's in the final game.
They've give no indication that they intend to remove it so at this point you should assume it's in
>>334735812
>Believing the horseshit Blizzard spews for the sake of PR
Remember when they talked about how the WoW team is bigger than ever and their servers are at their prime? WoD was a broken piece of shit at launch and people were stuck in massive queues. Not to mention it got fuck all for content.
Take the dick out of your mouth because all it does is make you sound like a complete faggot.
>>334735978
"In 7.0, Salvage Yard will give a new crate. Pre-existing unopened crates will not be affected. We’re not THAT cruel.
To clarify, changes like this are being made so that you don't feel obligated to run Draenor missions in Legion."
grabbed this from a Blue Post Wall stating how they are pretty much disablign garrisons once you leave draenor, but dont ruin it for alts and new members levelign through WoD
>>334735812
Yeah, I remember when they said the garrison shit would be optional.
>>334735224
I played a Paladin, or Gladiator/Conjurer. God, Conjurer leveling was some of the worst content I've ever done in an MMO, that shit was so fucking bad, now that I think back.
>>334736303
except they viewed garrisons as content, and was the main sellign point to WoD,
now they dont even view it as content, just rehashed daily quests that make you go out into the world, such as any other daily.
>>334733449
>>334733956
You are deluded if you think so, I'm in alpha and it's just more of the same that they have been doing for years now. Along with even more dumbing down and pruning. Legion is all bells and shinny ball-balls with almost no substance. Go look at destro, they call it "class fantasy", I call it lazy, unimaginative bollocks. Same goes for many other specs.
>>334736242
I thought a designer named watcher spoke out saying he didn't even know if it would be in the final game.
>>334733449
>Legion
>Make WoW great again.
>>334736392
And what happens when they change their mind, when content droughts start hitting the game post-launch? Are you so naive you don't think they'll start viewing them as content again? It's a rhetorical question.
Continue falling for their bullshit. You people defend a full year worth of content drought, this is not surprising
>>334735597
Hey retard, what part of the artifact is that locking out? Go ahead, I'll wait.
>just throwing out retarded hyperbole until something sticks
lol
>>334736691
>Along with even more dumbing down and pruning
and they'll probably do even more pruning before release get ready for every class to have 5-6 abilities total
>>334736334
Yeah, Paladin didn't exactly shine on having many buttons.
Conjurer was alright to me. White Mage on the other hand was hell.
After Warlords, I thought wowfags would finally wise up. Looks like I was wrong.
>>334736880
what bullshit man?
I paid $50 for the expansion, gold is so easy to get I can pay for the wow token with no effort, Im not expecting there to be enough content to satisfy me 24/7 for the next 2 years.
Ill play the game, it will be fun as fuck for 3 or so months, then ill go do other shit until new content hits.
>>334736779
He's the blue post in that link he doesn't mention that one exactly but he does mention that they want off line progression and that there will still be missions
>>334736905
Get blizzards dick out of your mouth and read the post
The dumbassery in this thread reads like a fucking Onion article.
>Horde Of Autistic Anonymous Posters Staggered When Faced With Information Gleamed From First Google Result,
>"I really thought I had him with the "they're bringing back garrisons and they're mandatory and it'll take a week for you to unlock one ability through missions you can't participate in" narrative." - Anonymous poster on popular video game board /v/
>>334736993
At least things cannot possibly get worse than they already are for some classes.
>>334737347
>maybe if I samefag enough people will buy the expansion
so are you paid per post or what?
>>334733449
t. J Allen Brack
why do people still play this game? i swear it's just going in circles with nothing happening storywise since LK
>cataclysm was rework of vanilla
>nobody cares about pandaland sidestory
and fucking WOD
>burning crusade 2.0
>facebook quests
i think they started the expansion without knowing where story was going- why the FUCK did they reuse Archimonde as the final boss? came from far left field
>legion is burning crusade 3.0
>reuse illidan again
>more le free legendaries
>>334737283
Nowhere does he mention offline progression.
he actually says specifically
>missions in Legion are not intended to be an alternate progression path or a self-contained activity. We don't think of them as "content."
>>334737438
nah, BeastMaster hunter doesnt even have rend and Execute equivilents
Its just *hit x to genenerate, dump with y, z on cooldown"
>>334737239
Blizzdrones are fucking delusional. God help the people who think Legion or Overwatch look good.
>>334733449
Tell your employers, that their money is wasted on you.
>>334737641
oh shit an MSpaint comic equating something somebody likes to eating shit, time to pack it in lads WoW confirmed dead
>>334737759
Eat shit faggot.
>>334737561
>But at the same time, there are people who do enjoy the mission minigame, and there are some positive elements, such as a bit of offline progression, and the fun of looking forward to a reward waiting for you when you get home and log in.
>http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17610944120?page=10#188
So what does blizzards dick taste like
>this physically pains the anti-blizz poorfag shill/nostcuck
post em bros
>>334737815
>Backing cucks from a padding guild
wew
>>334737641
Never played WoW outside of the free trial, just came in this thread to say you're a faggot with no actual argument.
>>334738004
>backing cucks from a dead guild
eat shit HIJ
>>334738004
>>334738041
Keep it up shills.
>>334738095
>Implying
US raiding is dead m8
>>334737974
>>334737974
(:
>>334738198
did you also buy an ad to advertise your petition?
>>334738294
nah i bought dark souls 3
>>334737974
You seriously think that is impressive? I pre-purchased 2 40 card packs for hearthstone, pre-purchased overwatch and plan on buying all the skins and currently have every skin for HOTS.
Match me.
I knew Warlords would be bad, so I am not sure why people keep saying I will get 'tricked twice.' I knew exactly what Warlords was lacking and was banking on the atmosphere or Draenor alone. The warning signs were all there. Legion on the other hand has a plethora of content we know for a fact are confirmed and how they promote longevity. Now more than ever they need to be told that things like world quests should remain important for geared players.
>>334737951
Oh no you got me so hard, wait, what's sandwiched inbetween that?
>We've tried to tackle this problem throughout our design of Legion. We've focused on replayable and varied outdoor world content and dungeon content as the heart and soul of the Legion endgame, and on reward systems that will support the continued relevance of those systems.
just before
>Not all aspects of the game are intended to appeal to all players - that's part of the challenge of creating a single game that is played by such a diverse audience with different preferences and playstyles. But while garrison followers and missions were a substantial portion of the content in Warlords, Order Hall missions are probably more like 3% of Legion.
And just after.
oh man I'm sucking so much blizzard dick pointing out your bullshit, listen to me sucking this dicks, don't worry the sound just happens to sound like you being a fucking idiot.
>>334738407
What is that, 300$ across multiple games? What a casual.
>>334733449
No, It will be shit. I will get it because it's my favorite fucking theme in WoW, But it has nothing going for it unless they make it a requirement for Legacy servers.
>>334737974
Just resubbed. Haven't played in a year. I figure I will get through the WoD content and maybe level up an alt and by the time that is done Legion will be released.
>>334733620
>>334733525
>>334733956
>IRL friend used to play WoW with me and other IRL friends
>hes an aight dude, always trying to hit up older women for sex, funny as fuck guy
>Halfway through Wrath, he drops out of school
>Lose contact with him
>3 years later, graduate high school, move away for Uni to bigger city
>Go to an anime convention
>See my friend
>holyshitofuckitshim
>go up to him
>he's wearing a fox tail and a bunch of rainbowy shit
>he's heavily bearded, but still skinny as shit
>talks with a gay lisp
>"So uhh..how you been man?"
>"Great, great! I travelled around Europe for a bit, then went to Australia with my daddy!"
>"Your dad?"
>"No I mean my boyfriend. I mean, kinda my boyfriend, more of a client really."
>"What kind of client?"
>"Oh well, I kinda got into male escorting. No big thing, haha!"
>"Oh. Uhh so what are you doing here?"
>"Well I moved back here after some problems in Australiaaaaaa~~ And I figured I'd check out this convention, meet some guys have some fun, you know?"
>"Right. Well, take it easy man. Gotta go, I'm here with some people."
>my cool MILF-chasing friend had turned into a furry, gay male escort
What a turn.
But yeah, fuck WoW.
>>334738649
I bet you can't even afford it, you wish you could blow 100's of dollars a month on cosmetic skins.
>>334738456
That's the hope for a lot of people giving feedback on the forums. World quests make every zone feel relevant and alive. It's just that they need to make sure you still have a reason to do them after you're decked out in mythic gear and a fully maxed out artifact.
>>334733449
Blizz bots on suicide watch.
If the new order hall mission tables aren't important content and account for only 3% of trivial quests, why even have it at all? Feels like they're trying to justify adding in the order halls because once they put them in they realized nobody had a reason to go there besides popping in to upgrade their weapon.
>>334735393
underrated
>still genuinely enjoys playing WoW in 2016
just die
>>334738898
I'll be interested to see how they turn out. As of right now most mission tables are bugged or just crash the client.
Probably going to get more info on them in a later build. Suramar should be coming soon too.
>>334739146
>>334738716
>>334737815
>>334737641
samefag
same pictures every thread
don't you get tired of your little crusade? Pretty pathetic
>>334739198
Hey I accept your opinion, try telling that to the vanillacuck ITT though
>>334735930
Warlords had a lot of overwhelming content as well
It is what follows that blew it and it will be the same for this. I do like that they are apperently making Wintergrasp and Tol Barad go up to Level 110 and making them viable places to do PVP along with Ashran... But I don't know if the gear/rewards from those scale.
That and I hope they do something new with South Seas if they ever bother fucking doing it. It's not hard for what we need.
>Pirate Raid or Goblin Raid
>Abyssal Maw/ Naga City Raid
>N'zoth released Raid
>>334738857
The emissary quests aren't going to work well enough. I think they need a weekly quota of world quests that cycle rewards each week like the BMAH does. Each week you get an advertised pet, mount, mog, or toy.
>>334739281
Keep crying.
>>334737974
Wow you sure showed them!
Maybe you should buy another account just to be sure!
>>334739390
I could see the rewards being scaled up like timewalking. You can also get pvp gear from WPvP world quests. Arena like areas that are a literal free-for-all regardless of faction.
>>334733449
>When Legion releases wow is going back to its roots. People won't even talk about vanilla servers because it will be so good.
>>334738513
The fact that they want offline progression at all should be enough to tell you how it'll go, blizz also said that they wanted to reduce time between patches but they're looking at 14 months of HFC, stay deluded and keep shoveling them your money.
>>334739489
Keep replying, autist
>>334739481
That could work. I mean, they do something similar with seasons in D3 where you can earn cosmetic items just from playing.
I cant find this damn video. Someone recorded only the scene with Guldan and the demons at the broken shore and I need it bad.
>>334739489
>Dat prune
Couple of expansions later they'll change the name of the game to League of Warcraft, or World of Diablo 3.
>>334738793
why she cryin :[
Being hyped for a product made by the same team who brought you WoD + Jay Wilson.
Most of the good devs left at the end of mop.
>>334739807
MMOs dont need more than 10 buttons in their rotation. Any more is silly.
>>334739281
Are you retarded? You can literally see that, that was my first post in this thread
>>334738716
>>334737516
>why do people still play this game?
if they like mmos, hope and/or delusion
if they're solo players or pet battlers, who cares, they should go play something else
>i think they started the expansion without knowing where story was going- why the FUCK did they reuse Archimonde as the final boss? came from far left field
we know that they always have a few expansion concepts banked at any time. i'm sure once they saw subs crash they internally shifted all resources to Legion, which was probably concepted before WoD was even conceived. we know they were trying to figure out what garrosh would do if he escaped, and the earlier idea was Cata'ing Outland and gary raising the warchiefs from the dead in some way. compound that with the movie's initial planned release being december 2015 and it becomes pretty clear how and why wod materialized when it did. i'm being long winded here but the point is they have stories banked and when they decide on one they just have to figure out some way to link the stories, and with how hard a left they took thematically with "lol jk Iron Horde is now Fel Horde" alongside all the scrapped content shows they recognized the failure of wod as early as they should have and fucking dropped it because they already had dropped a good chunk of the originally planned content due to muh orc fatigue. understandable in a way, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it was a massive failure.
tl;dr it was as much as an asspull as it seems because blizzard's internal expansion story model is literally built around asspulls
>>334740052
PvE baby detected.
>>334740052
>need
They could also have 1 button per class, after all, you don't *need* 10.
>>334740052
fuck off mobafag
They were open about how garrisons would be a big deal, we just didn't know they'd swallow all the content of the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYueIdI_2L0
When the features were listed in the announcement garrisons were the second most important feature to them, the first being draenor.
Now it seems like they're being open about avoiding that situation altogether, if we had an expansion inbetween wod and legion that focused on garrisons despite everything saying they wouldn't do that, then yeah I'd agree with you.
>>334740409
>>334740052
You could have no buttons per class you could just let the game play itself and receive a reward after a set amount of time
>>334739489
>all those empty keybinds
League is getting some real competition.
>>334740052
If you're over 50.
>August 30
They are fucking terrible at this. Jesus Christ why does Blizzard suck so much ass?
>>334740669
>Now it seems like they're being open about avoiding that situation altogether
Like I said they also wanted to reduce time between patches they were open with how soo was a mistake, the point is blizzs word means nothing anymore, but whatever man stay deluded and keep giving them money and I'll see you a couple of months after launch when you come to complain about the lack of content and being time gated on everything
WoD's abysmal launch, one major content patch, and 14 months of the same patch were enough to see the writing on the wall. Blizz is creatively bankrupt, at least when it comes to WoW.
>>334739489
lvl 107
19 skills
>mfw
>ITT
>>334733525
>>334733567
>>334733620
>>334733679
>>334733956
>>334734163
>>334736836
>>334737665
>>334738656
>>334738873
>>334739575
Clueless fags
>>334736181
This guy has been here a while
And to answer your question. there is no way they can go back. This game is past redemption and would be better off if they just started from scratch
I don't play WoW nor do I care about it, but I gotta ask this, do you guys shill Legion just to trigger Nostcucks or are you actually still enjoying the game?
>>334741047
>being high level means you should have 50 useless abilities
why cant you just accept that vanilla is gone?
>>334741047
Hell back in the day we just facerolled one ability but still had always chance to use others. :)
>>334741025
I don't raid, I've been playing with alts a lot so I'm mostly looking forward to doing artifact shit and filling my wardrobe when it comes out.
>ywn do BT for the first time ever again
>>334741268
>useless
PvE baby detected
>>334741207
They are either marketers or sunk cost fallacy shitposters. Nobody but ERP faggots enjoy WoW.
>>334739489
>those empty bars
From someone who mained DK since WotlK, this is sad as fuck. I was planning on staying DK for this next expac too. Fuck.
>>334741450
says the nostbabby. The hypocrisy is real
I wonder if it will work?
>>334739489
>107
>all those empty hotbar slots
>>334741207
Probably neither, blizzard has the one of the most devoted fan bases ever, their forums and communities are filled with people who hate the game but continue to eat blizzards shit and become defensive anytime someone tries to talk bad about them, and this spreads across all their games as well hearthstone, hots, soon to be overwatch, I honestly don't know any other gaming company that has a weirdly devoted base as blizzard.
>>334733003
Can I play this game for free yet?
I refuse to pay a monthly sub for WoW in 2016.
>>334741401
Raiding mythic in WoD had me use at least 15-16 abilities every fight, as a DK.
PvE is only easy at Heroic and under. Mythic is quite challenging and will push your class to the limits, if you're not using at least 70% of your buttons, you're doing it wrong.
Fuck memes
who /mainingDemonHunters/ here?
>>334741572
Nostalrious was free and had a strong thriving community. People pay $50 plus tip for this single player skinnerbox shit.
>>334741642
Why do you even care? For somebody who doesn't care you put a lot of energy into caring about politics and the games they make. Pretty sad t.b.h
>>334741805
The nostbabby reveals himself, better to just come out at once instead of being a cowardly shitposter hiding behind anonymity
>>334741807
Can you even read, where did I say I didn't care I was answering the guys question.
>>334741704
You can if you have a decent amount of gold saved up.
>>334733550
Alts, selling runs, thats about it. Some people are just legit in a fun group and enjoy fucking around with each other weekly.
>>334739935
Smart schoolgirl who got hooked on drugs and thrown into prostitution. This is after she just had an abortion from being kicked in the stomach/assaulted/sodomized by a bunch of teenagers. She ODs and her last moments are hallucinations of the dream life as a mom she always wanted.
>>334741642
I know this sounds strange but they actually used to make really great games.
>>334741984
Eh, that's too bad.
How hard is it to go from practically no gold (1k) to sustaining enough for game time?
>>334741965
>where did I say
The moment you say their games are shit you implicitly say you don't care. If the games are shit, move on and accept you're not their customer segment anymore
but I know, you're going to say
>b-but I loved wc3 and I dont like where WoW is heading
too bad
reminder that blizzard killed a thriving private server community for the slight chance that any of us will resub out of desperation
reminder that 80% of this thread is paid shills using arguments like
>its tbc2.0 (yeah right just like draenor was supposed to be)
>what are you poor?
>private servers were stealing intellectual content which makes it literally theft (arguing against piracy on 4CHAN)
reminder that it is your duty to shitpost legion threads as a fuck you to a company that would rather hire lawyers and shills instead of adding more than one raid tier per 2 year expansion
>>334739935
Because wanting to be popular and taking drugs to do so will fuck up your life.
>>334741807
kek someone sounds like he hit a soft spot. Don't worry you can go join your hugbox in wow forums. They haven't all left yet... have they?
>>334742320
See what I mean? Go back to wasting time on kronos instead
>>334741704
if you log for 2 hours every day with enough alts to play facebook , its "free"
that assuming the token price doesn't go much higher because "fuck you pay 100k for a token while it should cost 10k
>>334737815
>honestlyfag butthurt over his beta being revoked for shitposting
Stay mad retard, your guild sucks.
>>334742212
So you actually can't read, I have overwatch preordered and I play diablo, and I'll get legion after the second patch so I can blow through everything in a month, stay mad shitposter
>>334733003
If subs still cost money I would be upset.
>>334742270
Who cares?
You don't see people signing petitions when torrent sites go down.
Take your pity party to Reddit, child.
>>334742412
LMAO so he was one of those cucks. He can get fucked
>>334742496
You can use in-game gold for WoW time anon, you just have to whore yourself out to the AH and your garrison :)
>>334735930
Anything is overwhelming when you are used to scraps
>>334742270
Honestly I get the feeling its gonna jump back with Legion. Not to Wrath levels but above Pandaria. No I did not say that about Warlords. I knew Warlords was trouble.
>>334736993
>>334737438
Vanilla/tbc mechanics were way worse.
>Warriors only spammed Sundering armor because that's what generated the most threat per rage in vanilla
>TBC warlocks only spammed shadow bolt
>Vanilla rouges had no scaling and only dumped sinister strike and eviscerate.
>rouges couldn't use poison in vanilla because of fucked threat generation
>The entire Onyxia raid was one guy using sundering armor and a bunch of casters using wands and every melee using auto attack of some range weapon.
>Mechanics in Vanilla.
The only two classes with any depth in Vanilla was Warlocks which were limited by debuff limiters and were simply stuck using life tap and spamming shadow bolt and Druids which had to actively shift in pvp to fight to potential and feral you couldn't actually raid unless you were the 0.00001% of all druids that actually had atiesh or best in slot full gear.
Both classes that had the most amount of depth, lost out the hardest due to how vanilla worked and ultimately were revolved like all the other classes to one two button dumps.
As much as people are cynical about WoW now, Vanilla to TBC had some really shitty mechanics. The only issue with this is to not die suddenly you had to have people use crowd control in dungeons, something that did disappear in Wrath with almost all classes getting some form of heavy AoE skill. Doesn't stop the fact that WoW was never hard just tedious after all. And that Vanilla and TBC mechanics were nonexistent, as much as people argue it. Nostalgia goggles are a hell of a thing.
>>334742580
I know. It takes like 5 minutes a day to pay your sub fee.
>>334735930
WoD had content on launch too, its after launch they had problems with
>>334742270
>reminder that it is your duty to shitpost legion threads
o i am laffin. Go right ahread though, the only one who loses is you
>>334742385
>he thinks I play vanilla wow
Wow its not just vanilla players who think blizzdrones are pathetic you know? You really aren't proving anyone wrong either.
>>334742270
Fucking right on the money man. /v/ has almost as many blizzdrone shills as the fucken wow forums.
Sad this is all these shills are prob doing it for free because they are so invested in this pile of a shit game and can't let go that the Blizzard they knew isn't the same of today.
>>334739489
>107
>All those empty keybind slots
Did Blizz run out of ideas for new abilities or did they literally just want it homogenized to hell and back?
Currently the only things I see on those action bars are:
Resource attacks
Empowered attacks
Offensive CDs
DoT(s)
Interrupt
Stun
>>334733449
go to bed morhaime
>>334742385
>wasting time
you are on 4chan
you are playing video games
ANYTHING YOU DO its a waste of time unless you make contact with aliens or create something worth remembering for the next 5000 years
your life is fucking worthless like any human in this current era
Next patch the 8.0.0 one: You will have to defeat Arthas again. LvL cap +10. Hp +1000%, dmg+500%. More raids with boring mechanics and no difficulty. PvP sailing into "5 button MOBA seas". WoW subs 10% less again. Game even easier and less rewarding.
>>334742935
I just don't even understand the point of posts this lazy. Are people really that bored?
>>334742751
>play a game everyone finished 10 years ago is not a waste of time
but everything is a waste of time and life is meaningless herp derp
>>334733003
You know when you're starting to rehash expansions it's time to do something new.
They really should just do WoW 2, or make a proper new game in the Warcraft series, spin-off or not. Just anything. It's embarrassing.>tfw they will never do some magic mumbo jumbo dragon break type shit and just continue off with a sequel to W3 continuing off from 3 like nothing happened
>>334742692
What the hell? You just proved what I said, what you just replied to. Idiot
>>334742658
Yes classes in Vanilla were mechanically flawed but that doesn't mean blizz even knows wtf they are doing with classes today.
I will never forgive them what they did to arms warriors, arms was in one of the best shapes in mop and they had to fuck that all up in the name of pruning and non-existent problems(overpower remove ect.). Arms looks slightly better in Legion than Wod but it is still a steaming pile of shit compared to mop.
>>334742575
Yeah he was a giant assslurping blizzdrone, best mythic raid guild on Frostmourne, so pro!
Then he gets all his beta revoked for posting reddit memes on official forums.
Now all of the sudden the epik mythic raider is anti-blizz, until of course he can cumguzzle thier amazing content in Legion!
Posts are all deleted now and the Pepe ASCII spam/Nost shilling.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742969636?page=2
>>334743063
not him but even now your point falls completely flat. There are plenty of games made 10 years that are worth replaying. I'm not saying vanilla is one of them but you are so blinded by your autistic fanboyism you can't even admit that currently wow is shit
post your characters butt
>>334742575
Guildmate also begged Blizz for him, for them to give Alpha back to their guild members, my sides.
>>334741642
they're like Bernie Sanders supporters
>>334743346
So why do you care? Refer to my first post. Don't bother replying, you're a waste of time
>>334742935
WoW was never hard or rewarding. It's always been a skinner box. The only reason you considered it hard back then was because you had to talk to people for 5 minutes, something that you're tiny brain can't seem to handle now in retail WoW, so you have to make up excuses like the game used to be hard.
WoW was never hard it was tedious, that doesn't make it difficult. You want difficult play something that takes reaction time, not investment time.
>>334743224
anon.. are you okay? I'm honestly worried about your mental health
>>334742675
I thought that it takes significantly longer to get enough gold for a sub on NA servers.
>>334743097
>tfw they will never do some magic mumbo jumbo dragon break type shit and just continue off with a sequel to W3 continuing off from 3 like nothing happened
They'll make another warcraft game eventually, they know wow is in decline but they're still bothering to expand the universe and they're starting to standardize the lore, once they've beaten the last dollar wow they'll move on to something else the warcraft name is too valuable and recognizable to abandon. Although at this point who knows if we'll get another rts or something else.
>>334743587
Nice shitpost, you seem bored. Too bad you dont have nostalrius to put your autism to use anymore
>>334743612
Not really. Garrisons alone will make you enough with about 5 minutes of work. EU subs are more expensive, so 10 minutes a day.
>>334743549
>Please refer to my huge turbo nerd rant
nah im good anon
>>334742703
Console release trying to get back lost subs
Console players have no interest in WoW though
>>334733449
God damn. Blizzard still shill-posting for Nostalrius damage control?
Why did it take people until WoD to realized WoW has gone to shit?
>>334743756
>Is Nos the boogy man of w
>>334743749
The big question is. How will they continue the story.
WoW has just ruined it. I mean, it's a MMO so that's kind of a given, but still. They need to do something to make up for it if they want to continue it.
>>334743927
Try telling someone who has spend countless hours on something that it's shit and see how that goes down.
>>334743903
They're looking for somewhere to post since the official forums are still in full damage control mode and full of deleted threads on vanilla servers and anyone against them is getting downvoted into oblivion, it's just gonna get worse now that a former dev's jumped on the nost train.
>>334735224
WoD dropped to 10 bux after announcement today
MoP was 5 bux and a bunch of people got it added to their accounts for free but wod was also closer to release when the date was announced
>>334744227
Either time dragon magic or considering blizzards record a book outside the game that explains everything and gives the official version of events.
>>334743325
was he banned or did he delete his character or something? He's not there anymore
>>334744227
>Played WoW since 2004
>Noticed it was going to shit midway through TBC
>Quit WoW
>Come back to WoW out of boredom at the end of MoP
>It's shit
>Quit for a second time
Others don't have the mental capacity to know when enough is enough?
>>334743582
Not him and while I agree on your point that WoW wasn't hard, but tedius. The thing is though, all of the quality of life things they added killed the community, the sense of purpose and the reward levels felt for doing tasks.
Everquest went through the same exact thing.
At the time, everyone loved that the game was getting quality of life buffs and a cut down on tedium.
Wow, I don't have to carry ammo around in a bag any more? Sweet!
Wow, you mean I can get a mount at level 10 now and don't have to spend 40 levels running on foot? That's awesome!
No way, I can just queue up for a dungeon now? You mean I don't have to wait around looking for a group and I can run really old dungeons that nobody else runs anymore? Thanks Blizzard!
Nobody realized that all of these 'improvements' turned the game into a shallow, meaningless experience until they had already become accustomed to them.
>>334743927
some people have 400+ days logged on there accounts. Convincing some one they wasted 400 days of there life is not an easy thing to do, but somehow WoD was that bad.
>>334743869
This information clashes with nearly everything I've heard about it.
>>334742113
Name of manga?
>>334744492
It's hard when you have invested so much time into something.
Hell, that's video games in general right now. It's so shit it's not really worth it anymore, but I've played games for so long I just can't really see myself quitting.Also same as watching that show Arrow.
>>334734975
>But when I was playing, I could go by fine with using around 11 or 12 skills.
SCH's and SMN's have way more than that and console players regularly complain that they don't have enough space.
>>334733449
>in case of emergency break canon: the game
>>334733449
Amen, it's obvious they realized what they did wrong and are looking to fix it.
I'm surprised it's being released that early. It's not even out of Alpha yet. Guess this is going to be Warlords of Legion with tons of time-gated content and garri-*cough**cough* Class hall updates with months of content droughts.
>>334745147
>That early
>14 months of nothing
Blizzard fans everyone.
>>334739489
DK has been gutted the most in Legion
>No more presences
>can't lichbourne & death coil yourself to heal, also no death pact either, no heals allowed
>no icy touch for non RP range attack & purge
>unholy frenzy is back! oh wait it's now a shitty passive
>Plague leech & Blood tap be removed, DK is literally just smash face on keyboard for max dps now
>6 of the same runes now, you would think this would lead to allowing DK's are more advanced rotation which DK desperately needs, instead the rotation is somehow simpler than WOD, who the fuck is designing DK's, an intern?
>Blizzard talks about the fantasy of making Unholy DK's being able to summon a lot of minions, so they moved Army of the Dead to Blood only
JUST
>>334744529
>Not him and while I agree on your point that WoW wasn't hard, but tedius.
Balancing tedium is a part of mmo's though it's what gets you invested in your character. Buying ammo/spell mats, making sure you had the newest rank of spells, saving for mounts, meeting people outside dungeons, all of that was what made your character yours, all that time spent making sure they were ready really built up a sense of adventure you were actually preparing your character to go out into the field and have and take on whatever it was that day. Now you can start the game buy a boost and be at end game content in a few days without ever leaving your capital.
>>334742658
>Warriors only spammed Sundering armor because that's what generated the most threat per rage in vanilla
Most threat per rage after revenge and shield slam you mean
>>334745373
>no icy touch for non RP range attack & purge
Clawing Shadows
>Blizzard talks about the fantasy of making Unholy DK's being able to summon a lot of minions, so they moved Army of the Dead to Blood only
Apocalypse literally revolves around AoTD ghouls. One talent let's them put debuff on a target. Another talent lets them explode when they die.
>>334733449
>When Legion releases wow is going back to its roots. People won't even talk about vanilla servers because it will be so good.
>>334745373
No class will ever be as gutted as hunters though. it's literally a whole different class than vanilla-wotlk
>>334745373
>no heals allowed
Took them 8 years
In fact, every class that isn't tank or healer shouldn't heal themselves all the god damn time
It's amazing how sometimes there's 2 or 4 people fighting each other and they manage to stay alive for more than 2 minutes
>>334743903
Do people really think Blizzard actually cares about damage control for Nostalrius? Are people that self centered? Do they think they are that important?
>>334746084
A hundred thousand people just spit in Blizzard's face and told them they were wrong about THEM being wrong.
I'd be pulling damage control.
>>334746084
>Do people really think Blizzard actually cares about damage control for Nostalrius
Considering the pure number of deleted threads on it, yes
>>334745568
Judging by your post and your out of context quote, I'm going to assume you didn't read my post.
>>334744634
Subs are about 40k gold right now in NA. Which is EASILY made through just garrison activities, that yes, include selling ore and shit on the AH, but still doable on a monthly basis with minimal time investment. I literally don't understand why anyone pays real money for subs when Garrisons are such easy sources of gold.
And fuck, if you just spend an hour learning how TSM and the auction house works you can make that much without doing anything but hopping from your mailbox to the AH and back a couple times a week.
>>334746193
You would pay people to go on 4chan and talk about something only tangentially related?
Really?
>>334739584
they already have offline progression, it's called dailies, both are just waiting for timers
>>334741642
the forums have always been a tiny vocal minority, especially now that 1/2 the player base has quit and only the most pathetic trolls post there anymore
>>334742658
>most threat per rage in vanilla
if you were rage capped as a warrior in vanilla you must've been in greens
>>334745974
Huntards have always been point and click, easiest class in the game to play since day one
>>334744636
its dem seksi mangas with nono material
I honestly wonder how much better society we would live in if we still had gender roles and no womens suffrage, there'd still be whores that's for granted but lots of young women take wrong turn and role models, same goes for men and we end up with dysfunctional society with manchildren and women that crave attention so much they're willing to lobotomize themselves ie spew shit and eat different dick every weekend and delude themselves in their prime to be happy
>>334733003
DYING GAM OP
>>334742113
Why does ShindoL only give happy endings to cripples and sometimes lolis?
>>334746787
f2p gaming is cancer
>>334746462
How many hours are we talking here?
I would like to play WoW casually and if the time to keep the sub going outweighs my projected play time I'm not even going to bother.
>>334741268
>skills meant to be fun like ritual of doom removed
>skills meant to have situational uses for immersion/exploring like mind soothe and eye of kilrogg removed
>it's a good thing guys!
jesus fucking christ
>>334745373
How are Shadow Priests looking?
The fact that Follower Missions are returning basically killed all interest for me, but I'm curious about my old favorite spec.
>>334741268
>roll a paladin recently
>no exorcism
Blizzard has been braying about class fantasy being superduper important for how long now, and they take THAT away? What the actual fuck.
>>334746973
10 minutes a day every day. Thats once you get your garrison up and running. So however efficient you are getting to that point is something thats on you.
>>334746973
In less than two hours you can clear all the cata 25m heroic raids. Each one gives you about 1.5k for 15-30 minutes work. Do those every week and keep the Garrison going and you'll afford a token easily while only spending a few hours per week.
>>334747161
WE WUZ OLD GODS N SHITIt's a lot of fun
>>334746862
Hey at least he isn't as bad as Shiruka Bakaudon
That guy is fucking demented.
>>334746787
>wtf is crossfire?
>look it up
>its a korean CS clone
kill me
>>334747529
That doujin disturbs me so much because the boy looks and behaves so much like my little cousin with autism.
>>334733449
>>334747336
Can you solo up to the Cata stuff on a level 100? Im not sure just how far you can go on these characters anymore.
>>334748167
Why wouldn't you be able to? You could solo the cata stuff in MoP.
>>334748167
Easily. MoP content is where gear actually gets required for soloing.
>>334748167
You can do 25H Cata stuff on an alright geared lvl100 (say like 680 ilvl) DS isn't really worth it though
>>334747161
They get some nice utility and their "lore" was tightened up and made cooler, imo.
>>334748167
Yes, Cata raids are easy. The only ones that would POSSIBLY provide any annoyances are as follows;
>Shannox; if you're not in a tank specialization, you need some way to kick the dog off of you. That, or kill him fast.
>Beth'tilac: Put a dot on the boss before you go down, and you're fine.
>Alysrazor: Don't fly too low or out of bounds, or else the boss resets. (Adds will leash if they can't melee you, but they don't try if you fly above the boss)
>Halfus Wyrmbreaker: You can't really heal. If you're taking too much damage, you don't belong here.
>Valiona and Theralion: if you take damage at all before the explosion hits you, you're dead.
>Maloriak: If you don't kill this boss in seconds, you're gonna be in for a bad time
>Chimaeron: If you're not confident in killing him in under 20 seconds, release Finkle's robot in the back before fighting
These are extreme scenarios, by the way. They're valid points if you're not used to doing the fights, but otherwise they're easy fights.
As >>334748341 said, don't bother doing Dragon Soul unless it's for the three mounts. The gold gain is shit there.
>>334737641
kek reminds me of this
Guys Disc or Holy? freshly hit 100 and want to be a heal slut. Never healed before and only done a few dungeons til now as shadow.
>>334741268
>useless
were you one of those fucking terrible night elf hunters
>>334741924
hey anon, look around :)
>>334748995
Both are good, but people prefer Discipline. Better burst heals.
>>334733003
>all these salty Nostrashit faggots ITT
>>334741580
It might be if you checked your fucking spelling. What is it lately with people using the wrong to/too and always using fucking LOOSE instead of lose.
>>334748254
I stopped playing in early Cata and skipped Panda land completely as i did not care for the setting. I only just recently decided to play again this month.
I know it gets shit on but ive found leveling in WoD pretty fun. And i like the garrison thing in theory as your leveling. Getting new followers and kinda building a base (Even if its barebones as hell) was a nice side thing.
I can definitely see why people hate the things now though. Its easy to look on it as something kinda fun when im 2 weeks into it. But in 2 months/years i can see how tiresome and bland it would be.
For those that have played Legion. How is Warlock Mage or DK looking? Cant decide between those 3 for that expansion.
>>334748946
The gold isn't bad in DS, but the effort required to get makes it not worth doing.
>WoWshill discussions are still allowed
Go away.
>>334749216
No one with any real opinion shits on WoD leveling. Most people's problems were with endgame. Which is basically Raid or nothing.
And Warlock looks fun as fuck. Mage too.
>>334749216
Frost is painfully simple as always and Blood is constantly being overhauled. Unholy is playing great though.
Haven't had a chance to test out destro or aff but demonology is fun with all the demons you control at once.
>>334749237
Yeah, it's horrible.
>Kill first 3 bosses
>LONG AS FUCK RP BULLSHIT, SHUT THE FUCK UP KALECGOS
>Enter the portal, LONG RP BULLSHIT AGAIN
>Beat the 4th boss
>LONG RP, FOLLOWED BY BULLSHIT DRAKE TRASH YOU CAN'T SKIP
>Beat 5th boss
>Airship takes forever because you can't kill the boss in the air
>Kill 6th boss
>Spine literally forces you to wait ages
>Finally kill 7th boss
>last boss is fast and easy
The entirety of Dragon Soul takes as much time as clearing Firelands, if not longer. Firelands has every right to take that long since there's a lot of enemies and travel required, but Dragon Soul seriously takes way too long.
Skip RP button when, Blizz?
>>334733449
>doesn't know garrisons are coming back
