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SHMUP IS THE NAME
SHMUP IS THE GAME
Which games did you 1cc? What was the last one? What's your favorite one?
![mushihimesama_release-1200x675[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Cdlj074.jpg "mushihimesama_release-1200x675[1].jpg")
Mushihime sama is my favourite overall.
I expect the thread to be swarmed by 2hu stuff though.
I think my favourite ever is Giga wing.
So damn fun
>>334732347
>Which games did you 1cc?
Not a whole lot, just a couple doujins ones like the touhous, the ALLTYNEX trilogy, Cho Ren Sha and the like.
>What was the last one?
Final Boss: Raw Label, a 2-ALL. That was a while ago and I have yet to find another shmup I want to devote time into.
>What's your favorite one?
Either IN or Cho Ren Sha 68K.
IN was what got me into shmups and I love the setting and music, and CRS is perfection given shmup formimo
I've only 1cc'd toohoos, a handful on hard if that's worth anything. I'm currently going for a 1-all of dodonpachi daioujou but it's not going well because I'm bad
It has great atmosphere for an arcade game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuApOJSP9E
>>334732725
From what I've seen this seems to be one of the harder shmups available, so I'll keep my distance.still working on my first 1cc on anything
I don't mind Touhou, the gameplay doesn't really appeal to me (yet), though. Don't know why, feels too slow and too focused on pattern memorization and perfect execution.
Anyway, I'm currently enjoying Crimzon Clover.
I've been playing too much Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu these days but I'm still awful at it.
between work and the constant audio stuttering I can't really play that much.
Favorite shmup overall would be Gradius V, there is something about that game that I just love too much.Never 1cc a shmup, I'm bad at them and don't really have time to devote myself to it, as much as I would love to.
Still working on Dodonpachi Resurrection Arrange A. I hadn't had time to play in months and have been back at it a few weeks now. Getting to Stage 5 a few times in the last few days as opposed to restarting before 3 all the time again, within half hour sessions. It'll be my third Cave 1cc if I can ever manage it.
I may work on Espgaluda 2 next. I like the game very much, and actually made a point to play other ones first so that I could savor playing it now. However, before doing that I should at least give Bullet Soul Infinite Burst a play; I bought it long ago and never tried it once.
>>334733587
>Bullet Soul Infinite Burst
Not sure what infinite burst is but bullet soul was pretty god damn awful
>every enemy killed cancels all bullets on screen
>>334732347
Is that from a particular game?
Just finished Touhou SoEW. It was really dirty though, I just bombed the two last bosses to death.
On the other hand, there's no focus, every single enemy have fast death bullets, and the PC98 have a built-in 1 or 2 frame input lag. Couldn't help myself not to cheese it.
The previous one was a LNB run of Imperishable Night. I'm totally gonna try a perfect someday.
Anybody got Darius Burst on steam?
I got it and it's really really fun so far.
>>334739354
I heard it got some new dlc, even got the Metal Black ship in it.
But still dat pricetag.
>>334739543
For the content there's in, it's worth it I'd say.
I remember seeing a WebM someday of an horizontal shmup featuring the player firing a huge laser that literally filled the entire screen. That looked pretty sweet, does anyone have any idea what game it could be?
>>334740247
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
>>334732347
Ikaruga is probably my all time favorite
>>334732347
are there any good ones for android?
>>334740247
really big sky?
>>334740247
That's a lot of fucking shmups, anon. Can you remember anything else?
On that note, does anyone have a webm of G-Darius' beam struggles?
>>334732725
I had to mute the ear rape audio
So /v/, what good shmups are there to play on a vertical monitor?
Already got Mushi and Ikaruga
>>334732347
I've played a lot but DDP DaiOuJou is easily my favorite. Working on a BL 2-ALL right now, getting really close.
>>334741008
That's not it. It does look pretty sweet though!
>>334741137
Oh yeah, G-Darius, that's the one actually. Thanks.
How are Orange_Juice's shmups? I'm looking at Sora on Steam and it looks a bit simplistic but fun enough, the soundtrack sounds nice enough too
>>334732347
I'm shit at shmups and haven't 1CCed a single one. Every once in a while I get the itch and go on a big shmup kick and my ego gets completely destroyed in the process.
I like Touhou and I have all the games installed out of some kind of vague delusion that I'll beat them one day.
>>334742242
shit
>>334732347
Touhou 1-15
LoLK
SA 1cc Utsuho on Lunatic was the last time I actually felt satisfied in vidya. Youkai Jesus didn't feel the same. 13-15 were too easy.
>>334742242
Got myself QP Shoting Dangerous a while ago. The game's pretty original with its loadout choice, and how important bullet-cancelling is. I admit I'm not playing it too much though. The graphics and music are kinda boring.
Recommend me good shmups which aren't Tyrian, Touhou or Hellsinker
>>334732347
What's a great shmup to really introduce me to them? I've played flash games in the past but never anything bigger.
>>334743151
Dude you gotta try out Undertale
>>334742559
You can do it anon.
We all started like this,having no skill whatsoever and then work our way to victory.
I have 1cced EoSD out of sheer effort and lots of practice.
Don't give up.
>>334743151
U.N Squadron on snes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0xfgdPdMQ
>>334743151
Cho Ren Sha 68K
>>334743151
>Hellsinker
is this even good
it seems to have a bazillion sub-systems and possibly the busiest HUD I've seen in a shmup
>>334742559
Have you considered just trying one or two runs every day, and see how far you can go? That's how I started, and every few days I managed to go further, until I finally beat the game. It felt great.
>>334743721
You can pretty much ignore the right side of the screen if you arent playing for score, and its nowhere near as complicated as it looksif you arent playing for score
>>334732347
>Which games did you 1cc?
Varius toe hoes, DDP, both Mushihimesamas, Raiden, Raiden Fighters Jet, Deathsmiles, Gradius 2, Darius Gaiden, G-Darius, Cho Ren Sha, Exceed 3rd and QP Shooting Dangerous.
>What was the last one?
Mushi 1 on maniac. Game's great, gonna work on 200 mil.
>What's your favorite one?
Stuck between Perfect Cherry Blossom and Cho Ren Sha.
>>334743151
Okay, I'm a huge casual and Touhou gives me headaches.
I've been enjoying: Crimzon Clover, Ikaruga, Steredenn, and the Blue Revolver demo is fucking stylish and awesome.
>>334743151
Kamui, Mecha Ritz
>>334743151
Anything by Raizing, but especially Sorcer Striker and Battle Garegga.
>Decide to get into shmups a few months ago
>Bought Suguri and Crimson Clover
>The difficulty on the former
>>334745557
I really want to like Suguri, but I can't get into it even after looking up more info on it.
![ss_d8ba75a90d71568e3666b7c6b652fd0f8fb8bace.1920x1080[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kI9CDJ5.jpg "ss_d8ba75a90d71568e3666b7c6b652fd0f8fb8bace.1920x1080[1].jpg")
This one looksMY FUCKING EYES AAARGH-kindafun as well
>>334745763
And with that I mean I like the graphics, but the sheer amount of bullets and projectiles you have to dodge make my eyes dry out.
I think I'll just add it to my wishlist for later.
>>334732347
>Which games did you 1cc?
All of the Touhous on Normal except LoLK, most of the Touhous on Hard, a couple of the Touhous on Lunatic. Also cleared all scenes in StB and DS as Aya, and about half of them as Hatate. Also 1CC'd Deathsmiles and Deathsmiles 2. I don't play shmups very much anymore outside of Deathsmiles thanks to Steam release.
>What was the last one?
Deathsmiles a couple of days ago. For the millionth time. My last difficult 1cc was either Mountain of Faith or Mystic Square on Lunatic, but that was a few years ago.
>What's your favorite one?
Deathsmiles. I play it for score rather than survival now.
Special shoutout to pic related, Gothic wa Mahou Otome. I like it.
>>334746236
>I play it for score rather than survival now.
...that sounds like a suspiciously good idea.
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>>334746420
What?
>>334746420
That just about any shmp once you get good at it.
...and I just realized I misspelled it.
Fuck.
>>334746420
Playing for score is incredibly fun once you have an idea of what you're doing. I like looking at leaderboards and seeing my stage 3 and 4 scores above all clears.
Just 1cced Raiden IV on Ultimate.
Such a shit game.
>>334746532
>>334746597
>>334746685
I meant that I've been dying in the first couple of stages but still focusing on score instead of survival.
I don't learn. Okay, ignoring those shiny coins from now on.
Why does no one play good shmups like Geometry Wars 3, Resogun, SSHD, or Sine Mora instead of uninspired repetitive bullet hell garbage?
>>334747080
>Sine Mora
>good
You owe me a new pair of sides
>>334747213
Epic meme. Seems everyone who hates it is just shit at it or their brain couldn't comprehend a scoring system that isn't a carbon copy of every braindead bullet hell out there.
![ss_1381b46db5258678ceeed2455dda13eec18026eb.600x338[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cdyKb4c.jpg "ss_1381b46db5258678ceeed2455dda13eec18026eb.600x338[1].jpg")
Steredenn has some fucking amazing music.
>>334747080
Why don't you go and play them? They're popular enough that you'll find people to talk to about them on Steam forums and so on
>>334747472
Enjoy your cinematic furry euroshmups
>>334747495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVhtq6ICOZ4
>>334747080
>Why does no one play good shmups like Geometry Wars 3, Resogun, SSHD, or Sine Mora instead of uninspired repetitive bullet hell garbage?
>>334747080
DISCOVERED THE BAIT!
>>334747692
>great graphics
>great enemy design
>interesting time mechanics
>lots of tracking bullets and randomization for skill instead of muscle memory slow bullet blobs
>15 challenge levels that are a unique spin on the arcade levels
>interesting score mechanics
People played it for five minutes, realized it wasn't a carbon copy of their animu bullet hell games and ragequit
>>334747915
I'm 26th on Sine Mora leaderboards, technically should be 4th but my score didn't update for some reason on my highest run where I got like 517m or so. Never really played for scores though, I just got it during my primary only run.
>watch the trial super replay in Crimzon Clover to see how to best score in the first stage
>the player scores more in stage one than I can in stages one, two and three combined
fug
>>334748208
>I'm 26th on Sine Mora leaderboards, technically should be 4th but my score didn't update for some reason on my highest run where I got like 517m or so. Never really played for scores though, I just got it during my primary only run.
being proud of being in the sine mora leaderboards is like being proud of being in the special olympics
>>334748514
Simply epic
Also 1cced Raiden IV on ultimate and 1 life cleared Hard Corps Uprising
Uh oh, TASTE POLICE!
>>334748453
This is exactly what happened to me.
Then I stopped playing.
Do we know if Deathsmiles sold well on steam?
God Sine Mora was so fucking shit.
>>334748453
that webm boggles my mind
>>334748942
Literally explain why because no one ever does besides whining about too hard
![[Tool-Assisted] Inbachi - ALL No-miss, No-bomb P1.webm](https://i.imgur.com/QUVuYSU.jpg "[Tool-Assisted] Inbachi - ALL No-miss, No-bomb P1.webm")
>>334748884
http://steamspy.com/app/314180
Less than Mushihimesama ( http://steamspy.com/app/377860 ), but much, much better than most shmups that don't get bundled.
Who Eschatos hereor Judgement Silversword
![[Tool-Assisted] Inbachi - ALL No-miss, No-bomb P2.webm](https://i.imgur.com/94Z2EgD.jpg "[Tool-Assisted] Inbachi - ALL No-miss, No-bomb P2.webm")
>>334748985
Prepare thine anus.
https://my.mixtape.moe/jepqub.webm
![[Tool-Assisted] Inbachi - ALL No-miss, No-bomb P3.webm](https://i.imgur.com/EiMYVDp.jpg "[Tool-Assisted] Inbachi - ALL No-miss, No-bomb P3.webm")
>>334749275
I love advanced mode so much, but I can't get any 1ccs above easy. I'm not much of a fan of games that gate features behind gameplay time, but Eschatos is so fun.
>>334749085
>Impossible to tell were are located the bullets because they blend in the environnements
>The game doesn't know if it wants to be a danmaku of classic shmup
>Ridiculous upgrade system
>You lose a good bunch of your upgrades on hit, and they get OUT OF THE FUCKING SCREEN
>Completely useless timer system
And the slow / special weapon system was boring af
>>334749312
hey, that's not too ba-
![[Tool-Assisted] Inbachi - ALL No-miss, No-bomb P4.webm](https://i.imgur.com/6edDLJ0.jpg "[Tool-Assisted] Inbachi - ALL No-miss, No-bomb P4.webm")
>>334749424
<3 Gus.
This is the last webm of this fight. Thing's ridiculous. Thanks again to the guy in /shmupg/ who made this.
>>334748208
>tracking bullets and randomization for skill instead of muscle memory
Procedurally generated elements doesn't automatically make a game better, more often than not it's used as a way to bypass putting actual effort into bullet spread design and everything that comes with it. Complaining about a lack of randomization and over-reliance of muscle memory in good shmups is like complaining about a lack of randomization and over-reliance of muscle memory in Devil May Cry.
Also it's fine to just not like something, you know. No need to badly attempt a criticism of said thing too.
>>334749694
agreed, they tried so hard to make it pretty they forgot to make it fun
Which Touhou game should I play first?The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil?
>>334749914
Sure.
>>334749090
Have Cave said anything about it though? I was under the impression that steamspy was pretty iffy and not to be trusted.
>>334732347
>Which games did you 1cc?
Crimzon Clover on normal.
>>334749914
Try either EoSD or PCB for starters.
>>334749914
No anon, you should start all the way over at 15 then work your way backwards.Yes you double baka, EoSD is the best starting point.
>>334749995
how do people consider this fun?
>>334749914
EoSD is a great place to start and it may be harder to play if you start off with the later games and become accustomed to a visible hitbox and auto collect.
I still die a lot in EoSD when I'm not thinking very hard and out of habit try to auto collect without full power.
>>334749914
EoSD is good, but I usually recommend PCB for new players.
>>334749995
>Have Cave said anything about it though?
Not that I've seen, either on their Twitter or on the shmup forum.
>I was under the impression that steamspy was pretty iffy and not to be trusted.
It's not 100% accurate,sure, but it's better than nothing. Just remember that margin of error does actually matter.
Also damn you, I was just about to post that webm.
>>334750167
Dodging dots is fun.
>>334750167
The pressure of constantly being between the crossroads of life and death is simply exhilarating!
>>334750167
You don't have to play on the hardest difficulty, and even if you are playing on the hardest difficulty you don't have to take it seriously.
Can anyone recommend a game for complete newbs to this genre, I've played like two touhou games and gotten to like the 4th level on normal difficulty. I'm welcome to any game, preferably one with variety but I don't know if variety is even possible in a bullet hell game.
>>334749995
source
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2tLjXYULfY&t=8m26s
How do you feel about how rougelikes are adopting elements of the genre? Could it be implemented better? How?
>>334750378
>still can't play SA
More like I can barely play 2hu at all, but SA kicks my ass specifically.
>>334750578
Deathsmiles is really quite easy so long as you don't try for the hardest stuff. Crimzon Clover's novice modes are also really good for beginners. Otherwise I'd start with something by Compile, especially M.U.S.H.A.
>>334750578
Deathsmiles is pretty beginner-friendly.
My first is Touhou 14. And I really like Crimson Clover. I also have Mushihimesama but I reallllllllllllly don't like that it doesn't seem to save my scores.
Fantasy Zone was the only shmup i've ever beaten, Master System and Genesis have some neat shmups
I'm playing Ikaruga now, and some CAVE stuff once in a while, bullet hells are funYes i do play Touhou
Have Cave revealed the third game they are bringing to pc yet?
>>334750691
gungeons decent but it suffers from giving enemies more HP over more enemies. So everything feels like a bullet sponge in singleplayer and all the guns feel a little useless as a result. the patterns are more than you'd expect but not quite to the point where it'll be fun dodging them over and over. enemies need to have more pattern variants as do bosses. It's also pretty boring until you manage to unlock a lot of the basic shit which can take a few hours
>>334751158
Deathsmiles is on Xbox 360 and Steam, Crimzon Clover is on GoG and Steam, Compile games you'll probably want to emulate. Compile stuff should be mostly on Sega consoles.
>>334750837
>>334750794
Where do I get it (which isn't Steam)?
Or where do I get this type of games in general, for that matter
>>334751158
You can find it somewhere on the internet. You can play on a Arcade emulator too.
>>334745557
The wonky dash mechanic adds to suguri's difficulty honestly
>beat whoppin 4 bosses in one of the Touhou games
C-can I join?
At least I learned that you need to look at you character/ship/whatever only and nowhere else, which helped in the more casual shmups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYObFRnR6fs
>>334751278
A japanese arcade.
>tfw that one arcade in Akiba has an entire floor of shmups
>>334751548
>At least I learned that you need to look at you character/ship/whatever only and nowhere else, which helped in the more casual shmups
Except that's the exact opposite of what you should be doing
>>334751745
Dunno, that's the only way I managed to beat those bosses, since my bullets will eventually hit as long as I'm somewhere around the same axis as the enemy
As I've mentioned, it did make other easier shmups far easier for me
What is the right or proper strategy for these types of games then?
>>334751548
Nothing wrong with being new. Everyone has to start somewhere.
>At least I learned that you need to look at you character/ship/whatever only and nowhere else, which helped in the more casual shmups
This might help you in the beginning, but generally you'll want to look at where the bullets are coming from rather than at yourself. You want to look for clear, safe areas to move into, rather than trying only to move out of the way.
>>334751936
A small distance in front of you, depending on how fast the bullets you have to dodge are. You need to be able to tell where you are using the edges of your vision or the fastest patterns are going to murder you.
>>334751936
Don't focus on the bullets, focus on the empty space
>>334751964
>>334752173
Cool, will keep that in mind.
What would be a good, average difficulty shmup to start off? I don't remember which Touhou I've played since there are a billion of them, but it was pretty brutal for me
I have a few of those recent indie games lying around in steam which I might check out
>>334732347
DO DON PACHI FOR STEAM WEHN AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>334752531
If you have QP Shooting Dangerous on Steam, it's really easy. Only took me about a week, and that was with exactly one easy difficulty Touhou 1cc under my belt. Deathsmiles is also really friendly so long as you don't pick rank 3 all the time.
>>334752708
After Itchy-Man Banjo gets some more NEET bux.
>>334752708
Hope you like DFK
>>334732347
None of them, I can't even 1cc touhou games after a year of practice, barring easy.
Touhou 11 is my favorite though, since I started with it. I didn't have a clue how hard it was compared to the rest, but the final boss fight was probably the most satisfying thing in all of the games despite being pretty easy.
>>334752791
I personally want SDOJ since that's the only one I've never played.
Gonna take the opportunity to shill Matmouse. The Matmouse arcade in Japan streams some of the top players trying to break their world record scores, mostly at the weekend. Drop by if you want to see some of the best players in the world doing their thing.
matmousetwitch
>>334756657
Don't forget to include the link https://www.twitch
.tv/matmousetwitch
Hey Arcade has also been streaming SDOJ at http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv259583103 lately, next broadcast is starting in 8 minutes.
Also guys, come to the shmup threads on /vg/ if you want to talk about shumps.
I asked in the /vg/ thread but never got an answer: what does difficulty rank affect in DoDonPachi? I don't notice any difference between normal and hard.
Still only playing Touhou for now, I've seen .webms of CAVE shmups and they make me shit my pants with fear.
Managed to get to Kokkuri-san's Contract (the survival card) against Ran. Fucked up immediately before said card even ramped up but previously I was stuck against Princess Tenko so it's still a big chunk of progress.
>>334757271
In CAVE game it usually just affects the amount of bullets enemies fire and in DDP's case I think it also affects the speed of the bullets.
>>334757587
>I've seen .webms of CAVE shmups and they make me shit my pants with fear.
The webms are cherry-picking for the crazy or ridiculous patterns. Unless you plan to play on the hardest difficulties or do loops they're not much harder than Touhou on Hard.
>>334757587
That attack was always a mindfuck for me. I always died trying to read the crisscrossing bullets and pay attention to the circle at the same time.
>>334757587
>I've seen .webms of CAVE shmups and they make me shit my pants with fear.
Iktf brah.
![[HorribleSubs] Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge - 02 [720p].mkv_snapshot_12.11_[2016.04.18_08.13.22].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sJoDvHi.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge - 02 [720p].mkv_snapshot_12.11_[2016.04.18_08.13.22].jpg")
I keep wiping on stage 3 just before the boss in Mushihimesama on maniac
>>334758018
>they're not much harder than Touhou on Hard.
I can barely get 1cc's on Normal. Subterranean Animism alone took six weeks of daily practice.
>>334757587
>>334758148
Don't be so intimidated! First loop clears aren't very difficult at all! If you keep trying then you can definitely do it.
Now getting 2-ALLs or taking down Futari Ultra, those are some next-level shit.
Also, this webm is 100% sex
>>334758519
Subterranean Animism is also one of the hardest Touhou games. Don't let fear get in the way of experiencing some fun video games, anon.
>>334758571
Are the graphics supposed to be that hard-to-look-at or is it using some kind of visual trick that looks good in the actual arcades but doesn't emulate well?
>>334758519
ganbatte your best anon and you will improve
Try playing on hard or clearing an extra stage. I found in 2hu that I got better a lot faster when I gave myself bigger challenges.
>>334758750
It's a webm of a rather low quality DVD rip of a game from 2002 with a lot of activity on the screen. Most of the reason it looks like shit is the activity making the compression go nuts, though DOJ isn't the prettiest game either.
>>334758750
The game looks much better when you play it than when you watch the webm. Shmup webms always have a very large loss of quality because of the large amount of stuff going on in the screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-AQw6s-VCQ
>>334749694
>>Impossible to tell were are located the bullets because they blend in the environnements
Not true at all. I've played shmups with much worse color combinations. There's only a few parts where it may be a tad bit difficult to tell but you adjust after a few hours. Anyone with any shmup experience should have no issues with this.
>>The game doesn't know if it wants to be a danmaku of classic shmup
God forbid it has it's own identity
>>Ridiculous upgrade system
You going to expand that or...? Your weapon has various levels of power, and you get powerups that improve the weapon. The more powerful the weapon, the stricter the time to compensate. It ain't complicated bud.
>>You lose a good bunch of your upgrades on hit, and they get OUT OF THE FUCKING SCREEN
git gud. maybe stop hugging the sides of the screen like a scrub?
>>Completely useless timer system
LMAO! How the fuck is it completely useless? It's the core of the gameplay. It rewards you for killing enemies and completing bosses quickly and not all attacks are worth the same amount of damage (time)
>And the slow / special weapon system was boring af
I thought it was interesting. Sub weapons were great with a good variety, but they could use a bit better balance, but overall great. I do agree however that for capsule that the others could use a buff as only reflection is really useful in 95% of cases, but just a minor flaw
>>334751660
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
holy shit. I'm Rarely impressed by videos like this but fuck everything
>>334736662
SoEW is jank as fuck, don't feel too bad.
>>334758682
> subterranean animism
> harder than MOF
Graze harder friend
>>334760194Touhou scorers are probably the most skilled shmup players out there
>>334760419
You what? MoF is one of the easiest in the series.
>>334760419
MoF gives you shitloads of bombs and the patterns aren't really that nasty. SA has more bullet density and speed.
>>334743151
Get an NES emulator and try out Summer Carnival '92 - Recca, I had fun with that.Then play the Silver Surfer game on NES.
>>334732347
>too shit at Shmups to call yourself a fan
>Never 1CCed anything despite any of the games you've played
>Don't really want to post in shmup threads because they're full of hardcore motherfuckers who do that shit regularly and you don't stack up
>detest Touhou with all your heart and refuse to ever play a game of it again.
>>334760419
The only thing harder in MoF is Kanako.
>>334760419
>MoF
>harder than anything
>>334760796
Pretty much this but with art. Practice blows dicks in general especially if you're burned out and not improving.
>>334758148
Why are you spamming Cave garbage while avatar-fagging Marisa?
Only shmup I enjoy playing. Me and my friends can 4 player no death it after several drunk playtroughs
>>334760714
locoalito is best malito
>>334760796
gitting gud is 50% practice and 50% perserverance
>>334760796
>detest Touhou with all your heart and refuse to ever play a game of it again.
why
>>334761029
More like 100% autism.
Play a good shmup like Resogun or Super Stardust or Geometry Wars 3 or Sine Mora or Dead Nation or whatever and have fun. Fuck this autistic muscle memorization shit.
>>334761012
Whoa I don't remember Jamestown getting that crazy.
>>334760967
>avatar-fagging Marisa
Not my intention,I want to post more Marisa,thats all.
>spamming Cave garbage
Fucking when?I only posted this video I found and >>334758148.Nothing else.
>>334760796
danmaku is basically impossible to really get into unless you are instantly grabbed by that autistic fervor which allows you to grind the games for hours at a time without it feeling monotonous. you should be to get into it at a surface level without doing that though, like getting normal 1CCs and stuff. if you can't do that you just might be shit at video games.
>>334761351
That's not even the hardest mode anon.
The hardest one had special enemy bullets mixed in there that you couldn't vaunt your way out of.
>>334760967
Because he's a shitposter. Duh.
As if Marisafags could be anything else.
>>334761029
Shmups are a genre I dip into to play every now and then, I just burn out on them after a while.
Best I've done was no-missing normal difficulty Rayforce all the way to stage 4. I know people say I shouldn't but during most regular shmups I just start over once I die. Currently I play Enter the Gungeon but I'm burning out on that to the point where I don't play more than twice a day.
As it stands I end up playing other stuff like FPS or going back to overmodded XCOM 2 or something. Maybe even Ace Combat X/X2damn /acg/ for convincing me to pick up AC: I again.
I think they're great and nine out of ten times they have 10/10 soundtracks full of hype for the fights they have, it's just that I'm not good enough to get that far in game and I don't believe I can be.
>>334761217
Same reason I didn't get into Deathsmiles, and despise Otomedius for killing Gradius.
I prefer shmups involving aircraft, I'm fine with shmups involving people, but don't make me have to play a loli or else you've already fucking lost me. And yeah yeah, 90% of Touhou's cast is at least a thousand years old what the fuck ever they all look like cute little girls and I'd rather shmup with planes than that. That's why I liked Crimzon Clover.
>>334761696
>muh lolis muh spaceshits muh manly lasers for manly people such as myself
>>334761492
Not even them but I'm pretty sure I'm just shit at it.
I practiced Touhou 12 on normal for a year. All I got was burnout. I can't even enjoy the games anymore.It probably doesn't help I have below average reaction time and can't get into negative space from all the things happening on the screen. I also have mental lapses where I just stop thinking entirely which makes me unable to read bullets for like 10 seconds before I "wake up".
>>334761448
Thats fine. My bad.
Just worried about Steam Shills promoting cave games. You know, trying to get touhou fans to notice they exist. I don't take kindly to shills.
>>334761852
People have preferences Anon.
I'll say Touhou's great for porn, and I'm glad you enjoy the games all the same.
I just don't want to play as some moeblob when it comes to shmups. Which is a little hypocritical because I can do it in other games but whatever.
>>334761234
Any particular reason why you had to throw "autism" in you critique?
I mean, if you simply don't like the kind of effort to get into these games, I'd understand, but was the autism card really necessary?
>>334760967
There is literally nothing wrong with posting the best girl.
>>334762130
>muh LOLIS
>muh SPACESHITS
>muh MANLY LASERS FOR MANLY PEOPLE SUCH AS MYSELF
>also the good ol "toehoe is for porn xD" meme
>>334762351
It's always nice when you can throw someone into a shitposting frenzy just because you expressed your honestand hopefully not THAT offensiveopinions.
>>334762130
why do you even give a fuck what you're playing as? the games are about avoiding hitboxes, everything else is just there for show. it literally does not matter.
>>334761696
>but don't make me have to play a loli or else you've already fucking lost me.
I used to be like that too. I really liked the music that the touhou series offered, but the all "loli" cast and the power level faggotry that I would always see getting brought up really turned me off.
But when I finally gave the series a try, I found a fun, if not a bit simple, shmup with some really interesting lore. Not saying you have to like the series, anon, but maybe you should give it a try some time, you might find something you like.
>>334762130
I'm kind of the opposite in that I can get into touhou for some reason, but I can't get into spaceships. I've always found the space setting a bit boring in shmups because of how many there are.
>mfw trying /v/'s new smup io http://diep.io/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqLKJ808J4o
>>334762481
Fuck you, you're the cancer killing videogames.
"this is the best game ever made, but I can't play it because LITTLE GIRLS OH NO PLEASE I'M GOING TO DIE WHAT IS MY MOM GOING TO SAY PLEASE NOT THE LOLIS NOOOOOOOOO"
I hope you die.
>>334762545
A better question Anon, why does that opinion irk you so much? I'm not calling Touhou shitthough I was guilty of that in the pastand nowadays I respect the people who play itbut I still think it belongs on /jp/, got real tired of seeing people spam it here in the past and the infamous Touhou hijacksbut you have to understand some people get hangups over that "superficial" shit. Hell I'm sure at some point in your life there was a game you had a similar hangup over.
>>334762223
He's repeating posts made earlier on in the thread, instead of responding to the people who for some reason took his "autistic muscle memorization" comment seriously and bothered to reply to it he's just baiting responses again
why even reply?
>>334762223
It's extreme repetition, muscle memory, and pattern recognition.
Bullet hells are the genre of autists.
>>334762942
So is playing a musical instrument. I guess all musicians are autists too.
>>334762942
>extreme repetition, muscle memory, and pattern recognition
You do realize that that describes almost all videogames, right?
Imagine being so sexually insecure, that you refuse to play a game just because it has cute girls in it.
>>334763079
But they might laugh at my performance
>>334762942
And everyone practicing a sport is autistic too because in order to get good you have to do the same thing over and over again.
>>334762130
>Someone on /v/ who admits to not liking something but doesn't dickwave about any contrasting opinions being objectively wrong
I want out of bizarro
Can we just go back to talking about how awesome Cho Ren Sha is again.
>>334760419
Anon, I'm the poster who took six weeks to beat SA; I beat MoF in less than 24 hours.
In fact, just going from my personal experiences, I'd rate the games from easiest to hardest:
>MoF (1 day)
>LLS (2 days)
>IN (2-3 days, can't remember)
>SoEW (~10 days)
>PCB (2 weeks)
>MS (1 month)
>UFO (2 weeks but I swear I just got really lucky, the game was nail-pullingly hard up to that lucky run)
>SA (6 weeks)
EoSD isn't listed due to being my first game and taking meone entire yearto beat just due to my inexperience. Haven't played TD onward, because other than EoSD I've played every game in order and I can't beat GFW so I can't progress to TD.
>>334763079
b-b-b-but SPACESHIPS ARE MATURE
I'M A MATURE PERSON
SHUT UPi hope that faggot killed himself already
>>334763201
Getting good at anything requires "autism"
>>334762918
because shmups are some of the only remaining heavily gameplay-driven single player games around and seeing someone write off one of the most popular series of them for non-gameplay related reasons makes me 1) question your reasons for playing the games at all 2) worry for their future if people like you were to gain significant influence in the community.
tl;dr i suspect you of being a casual in a genre specifically built around avoiding casuals
>>334763074
Nope, other genres are skill, reaction, strategy, reading opponents, etc.
Bullet hells are just repeating the same thing ad nauseam until you memorize the blob of bullets and muscle memory takes over.
>>334763231
>PCB (2 weeks)
You're a complete shitter and you should stop acting like your opinion has any value.
Well, it was a good thread.
>>334763408
I've seen better threads on /trash/
>>334763315
>skill, reaction, strategy
And shmups don't? You think the character moves itself or something?
>reading opponents
Not all games are MP games, sweetheart.
>[Videogames] are just repeating the same thing ad nauseam until you memorize the [obstacle] and muscle memory takes over.
Yes, that's true!
>>334763408
It wasn't.
>>334763340
In my defense I was using Sakuya-B for almost all of those two weeks, as soon as I switched to Sakuya-A on anons' recommendations I beat it on my second try, and I was jumping into Windows games after playing all five PC-98 games in a row so the experience was different. It's just my personal experience anyway, if I objectively looked at the games for rating purposes I'd probably move some of the earlier ones upward since they took more effort due to said inexperience.
>>334763408
you have some worringly low standards, anon
>>334763315
>Nope, other genres are skill, reaction, strategy
>implying those don't exist in shmups
>>334763209
And the best part? The way they're losing their shit over it I might as well been all LOLIS ARE SHIT TOUHOU'S GARBAGE DODONPACHI > TOUHOU.
>>334763304
My very first post established me as such. And at the end of the day I leave so little a footprint in this genre's fanbase that it's not a big deal. As stated before, you guys lost it over this more so than I ever did.
I've been there before, I understand, and I can see how it seems like I'm marginalizing the games, but at the end of the day you have to live with the fact that some games are not for everyone, and you cannot convince absolutely anyone to try it. Once their mind is made up it's set in stone. Nothing you say is going to get me to play Touhou, so it'd be best to get over that and move on instead of getting caught up on it or throwing a shitfit because someone said they'd let something minor be a barrier to them playing a game.
>>334763510
>devs can't actually make a proper well-designed game
>"Dood, let's just throw a bunch of fucking bullets on the screen! LMAO"
Bullet Hells are a retard tier genre that don't require anything more than muscle memory. No skill, intelligence, reaction time, reading of opponents, planning ahead, or multitasking are required. It's the most simple genre in terms of mechanics and inputs, and it's only hard because the genre is so shallow and boring on its own accord that this "difficulty" is the only thing that makes it interesting.
>>334763706
>more opinion police
Welp, back to Gradius.I used to really hate Gradius, but I tried it again after getting better at shmups and it clicked with me.
>>334763665
>implying those don't exist in shmups
I said bullet hells. Shmups require those skills but not bullet hells.
>>334762942
I'm not arguing that shmups, or any video games for that matter, aren't occupied with genuine autists within their fanbase.
My question to you is, does that notion really even matter within the context of a video game discussion?
This is now the nightly 2hu thread
>>334762021
Thats okay anon.
To be honest they did make me notice it,but I am too afraid to try them.They seem doable from the trailers I saw but I can't even finish EoSD on hard,not that I tried anyway,I 1cced EoSD on Normal and now I'm working on PCB.
When is a good time to start considering playing those games?
>>334763672
>MOOOM PLEASE SAVE ME FROM THE LOLIS MOOOM THEY'RE GOING TO KILL ME
Just admit you're a fucking crybaby that has no business playing shmups (or videogames at all, for that matter) and get the fuck back to your normalfag websites.
>>334763843
I cant play Gradius because I worry about the rank far too much.
Same thing with Garegga, I just want to dodge bullets
>>334763849
>need for skill, reaction, and strategy automatically disappear as you increase the bullet count
uhh
>>334763973
>I make up quotes and call you a retard for things you never said!
k
>>334763925
This might seem random but does the word "Idol" mean anything to you?
Just need to check something.
>>334763706
Show me your clears then, if it's all so shallow and simple. Or maybe you have none and know fuck all what you're talking about.
Been playing Ibara, game keeps kicking me arse after stage 4. Also Shasta is best girl.
>>334763315
All these bullets are randomly offset from your position. Meaning it's different every time you play. Memorizing doesn't help you worth shit here.
>>334764047
Not him but
>Nope, other genres are skill, reaction, strategy, reading opponents, etc.
This implies that bullet hell does not require skill, reaction, or strategy.
>>334764047
That's exactly what you said, because the only difference between "shmups" and "bullet hells" are the amount of bullets onscreen.
Either way I'm done responding to retards, have fun shitposting alone
>>334763672
i don't know if you think i'm another poster or what but this is my third response to you ITT, i don't exactly consider that a "shitfit". anyways, your post seems to boil down to little more than "yeah i'm a casual, get over it" so my reply would be to say that i will get over it, continue playing shmups, and continue to hope that people like you don't do the same. enjoy letting cute girls prevent you from having fun with things though. i guess somehow you missing out on a great and very prolific series for trivial reasons is supposed to make me mad. seems strange but okay.
>>334763889
That is not okay!Unless someone hosts PoFV.pls
![1076711[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5IIssXV.jpg "1076711[1].jpg")
>>334764051
I have a friend who spams and shills the shit out Idol(Kuso)Master to me,but other than that none.Why?
>>334764052
>>334764172
Please don't respond to obvious 0/10 bait
Why do you guys always humor the one inevitable shitposter who does the same "bullet hells are nothing but muscle memory!" spiel in every thread
point him towards some procedurally generated indie games for him to enjoy and just move on
>>334764440
Ah nevermind, have a friend who's going through EoSD right now thats also a Marisafag. Just wanted to know if he was here.
Carry on anon.
>>334764549
I've asked the exact same thing in the /vr/ and /vg/ threads, yet it keeps happening.
If you have time taking retarded baits you have also time to 1cc dem games.
>>334764665
I cant 1cc shit because I have dumb college projects sapping all my time
>>334764665
I practiced for at least 4 hours today, I think I've earned a shitposting break
>>334764172
>This implies that bullet hell does not require skill, reaction, or strategy.
Correct.
>>334764231
shmups have good game design, bullet tracking, varied patterns and environments, randomization, different powerups/abilities to use, etc.
Bullet hells are slow moving blobs of bullets designed for autists.
>>334764665
>Hina
>cute
>>334764603
Does he use Marisa ingame and is a Marisafag or is he just a Marisafag?
I main Reimu even though Marisa is my favorite.
>>334763928
You're right. I have no business playing shmups because I'm unwilling to commit to any one of them long enough to actually pull off 1CCing them. Pulling it off in Crimzon Clover's novice mode doesn't count because that shit's easy mode for plebs.
If anything I'd want to do it in Einhander, that game was my childhood love I never got to really appreciate, maybe pick up Rayforce and focus on getting good enough to get past stage 4 without dying, or even reaching it again. Or try to get good at Gradius V again. But that's fuckhard and I'm shit at horizontal shooters, especially the ones that love fucking with your maneuvering room.
>>334764372
I can tell your posting habits, I'm not confusing you, that's why I said one or the other. You're obviously in the former position of not letting it go until now. The thread can go on fine with differing opinions except for certain people who get triggered because you have one they don't like, (like >>334763928) and that No True Scotsman thing is equally pathetic on your behalf, if we're being honest.
I don't think it's fair to shut a fan down because they're not as fervent as you but whatever, dude, that's your opinion, and like I said, neither of us are going to budge on it.
>>334764665
What these idiots don't realize is this "retarded baits" comes from personal skill and full mastery of the shmup, bullet hell, and 2D platformer genres.
I am probably more skilled than every other person ITT.
>>334764881I know you're not talking shit about Hina you dickmunching cumguzzler
>>334765064
>You're right. I have no business playing shmups because I'm unwilling to commit to any one of them long enough to actually pull off 1CCing them.
Then what the fuck are you still doing here? I don't think anyone appreciates having a fucking retarded piece of shit like you around.
How hard is it to 1CC Raiden IV on Ultimate? I'm thinking of buying it from PSN store.
>>334764961
Yes, he uses Marisa over Reimu even though he's pretty much a beginner. I tried to tell him to go with Reimu(and that she's the better girl)since she's the easier choice, but I'm sure he didnt listen to me.
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>>334765236
jesus man
who shit in your cereal
>>334765236
Because I'm amazed, Anon.
I'm surprised that at the end of the day, I was absolutely right about how this'd go.
Because I'm starting to get that for some faggots here, this shit has never been about actually enjoying shmups, just waving your e-penis around about how good you are at them and waiting for the opportune time for LOL TOUHOU HIJACK.
Because you faggots will get caught up on the slightest fucking shit simply because someone had the gall to disagree with you. Because you threw a shitfit over a harmless opinion.
And because at the end of the day I do enjoy them, even if I'm not good at them, and you can't take that from me, no matter how much you wish you could.
If you think you have to be an absolute master of a game to enjoy it you need to take your elitist head out of your ass and get over yourself.
>>334765124
>full mastery of the shmup
>>334765273
Well you did good telling him to play Reimu,but you are wrong about Reimu being better than Marisa.I respect your opinion though,Reimu is fine too.
>>334765626
>retarded yuropoors in charge of reading comprehension
shmup genre, the genre at the end is a qualifier to all the preceding terms.
>>334764052
I could clear all of these games in a couple days if I wanted to, but I don't because I'd rather spend my time on real games. Not this baby garbage for retards.
>>334765612
>Because I'm starting to get that for some faggots here, this shit has never been about actually enjoying shmups
Nice to see you referring to yourself both in third person and in plural. You should get that checked, mister "I can't enjoy good games because LOLIS MOMMY HELP ME GET RID OF THEM"
The only person who doesn't enjoy videogames here is you.
>>334765273
He's a good man. Only a real monster wouldn't play as their favorite 2hu.
>>334765894
>i could do it IF I WANTED TO
Oh, I bet.
>>334765894
Fuck off falseflagger retard. You're not me.
Name literally any game you want me to beat or 1cc or whatever, and I'll have it done in two weeks max. No literally who uninspired animu japanese bullet hell garbage though
What are we even talking about anymore?
>>334766108
Mushihimesama Futari 1.01 Ultra mode
>>334766014
I bet literally no one ITT has 1 life cleared HCU, not have they beat Sine Mora primary only, nor have they 1cced Raiden IV ultimate difficulty, nor have they 1cced Hero mode on Resogun.
>>334766195
As Abnormal Reco or Normal Palm
