The "stealth genre" is dead. This is a good thing.
In a perfect world, it would have never existed to begin with, but I'll take what I can get.
>>334678607
Fuck you and all you stand for, OP.
>>334678607
Kill yourself.
>>334678607
>The "stealth genre" is dead
No it's not. It's justhiding
>>334678607
What about those of us that had fun with it?
>>334678607
>all that shit taste
In perfect world people like you wouldn't exist, unfortunately literally nothing is perfect.
>>334678607
You deserve to get shot
Hitman still lives
>>334678607
Stealth genre is dead because it's not compatible with mainstream audience at all. All recent stealth games have basically been action hybrids to sell the idea to non-traditional stealth audience.
>>334678607
Woulden't call it stealth perse but had fun with this.
>The AI is stupid.
>Use walrog more then the sniper
>generic story
But they got something right cause I had more fun then in most of the recent games.
Mankind Divided is coming out in August
>>334680646
I also enjoyed it. AI is dumb as fucking rocks but shooting people in the nuts never got old.
>>334680213
Styx was not that much of an action hybrid.
>>334680646
Wish Rebellion would drop this shitty IP and make a proper Dredd game.
>>334678607
In a perfect world, pretentious shit that actually never gets anything done like yourself would have never existed, yet we have to live with assholes like you wasting oxygen because its illegal to kill or even punch fuckin retards.
>>334680779
and you don't hear anyone talking about it
>>334681027
Well yeah, there is not much to say.
All I am saying is that once in a blue moon something actually stealth related comes around.
I wish it got a sequel. Might be fun.
> ctrl-f
> tenchu
> 0 results
Meanwhile OP puts up fucking metal gear solid and fucking dishonoured. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for not calling OP out on this sooner. You fucking faggots.
>>334681235
>I wish it got a sequel. Might be fun.
but it is getting one, anon
>>334681239
I guess even though you could go around simply killing everyone in Tenchu. Just retreat to rooftops to run away. Then again, most important scoring element at the end of the missions was staying undetected so I guess you're right.
>>334681564
One of those rare stealth games where executing your enemies was exciting and rewarding.
>>334681343
Oh my. I did not know that.
Awesome. Time to reinstall and replay then, in waiting for it.
>>334680706
>Mankind Divided
>stealth
Anon I have bad news for you...
Just a bunch of gibberish cuz they forgot about DEus EX. Gonna give it to em.
>>334681564
A good stealth game is the one where you have option to just kill everyone. Forced stealth is shit tier.
>>334682225
By that logic Thief and Thief 2 are shit tier?
>>334682225
Most retarded statement I've ever seen. Why do people who do not like stealth gameplay continually try and force this shit opinion on stealth and ruin the games? You wouldn't do it for any other genre.
>A good platfromer game is the one where you have option to win by just falling between the platforms. Forced platforming is shit tier.
> A good driving game is the one where you have option to walk. Forced driving is shit tier.
>>334682225
>you have option to just kill everyone
What if the game character isn't supposed to be a movie action hero who can rambo his way out or an edgy over the top donte tier character ?
Go play Call of duty or Quake if you just wanna "blow shit up"
>hiding from and "outsmarting" dumb as fuck AI opponents is "fun"
i never understood that. now a stealth game where you play against human opponents, that would be something
>>334682667
What is Splinter Cell : Pandora Tomorrow?
>>334682667
What is Assassin's Creed competitive multiplayer?
>>334682579
Guns blazing isn't the only alternative to nonlethal stealth you retard.
What do you pure stealth fags have against carefully creeping up on enemies and stabbing them
>>334681343
fuck yea
>>334683119
And why do you have against not even touching anyone without ever being seen and robbing them blind?
>>334678607
Tenchu Z will still remain one of the best stealth games I ever played.
Developed by From Software.
360 exclusive.
Medicore reviews but I think stealth games as they should exist require a skill most aren't willing to hone.
>>334683119
What if the mission said character has doesn't involve killing anything at all you massive sperg? Your shit for brains is so limited you can only picture kill scenarios?
>>334683024
>Assassin's Creed
>competitive
ITT: genres that died
RTS
Stealth
Turn Based RPGs
What more?
>>334683431
RPGs are still going strong though.
>>334683609
action ones are
>>334683362
It doesn't help when stealth games give you a ton of lethal options and fun lethal tools to play with but nothing for non-lethal and then turn around and discourage lethal methods
>>334683691
Ah, you mustn't be a weeb, then.
>>334683779
lol you're basing "doing well" with titles that barely even get an english version?
>>334683431
FPS
Adventures
Hack'n'Slash
>>334683902
Please don't pop my bubble, I like being in denial.
>>334683909
>fps
kek
>adventure
can't Uncharted be considered as one? Assassin's Creed?
>hack'n'slash
true
>>334678607
MGS isn't stealth
>>334683909
FPS still exists, just not FPS-Adventure.
And by Adventure, I mean all the exploration, finding key cards and items(in this case, different guns and ammo,armor pickups), etc. of the classic FPS games
>>334684069
>>fps
>kek
The biggest FPSon PCare Crate Opening Simulator and Hat Simulator.. The Arena shooter genre is dead, Halo and its clones are still played but the appeal is not the same, and it is mostly rehases nowadays.
>>adventure
>can't Uncharted be considered as one? Assassin's Creed?
The old Tomb Raider games had more depth to the exploration. To the adventure, really.
>>334678607
Thief > Splinter Cell > Hit man > MGS > Dishonored
>>334679514
>>334678607
>Alien isolation was amazing
>MGSV is a good game and getting a sequel
>inb4 but mgs6 how
Konami has already said a long time ago they're doing it and they have already hired people to work on it.
>>334684106
>the game series that invented stealth isn't stealth
Yes, yes it is
thats the problem with stealth games all the good ones are hard to find
>>334686385
>MGS
>Invented stealth
ahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
What a fucking retard
>>334682667
Install Team fortress 2 and play as the spy. You're welcome
>>334686385
You fucking what?
>>334687051
>>334687326
the original Metal Gear came out in 1980s
What game prior to that is a stealth game?
I'll wait
>inb4 I was talking about MGS1 and above
>>334687581
The original wasn't even stealth
>>334687581
Wolfenstein
>>334680092
Deus Ex is a terrible stealth game
>>334687780
>wolfenstein
>stealth
full retard
>>334688792
You don't even know what game he's talking about
>>334688792
Wolfenstein, not Wolfenstein 3d
Go to bed, kid
>>334688905
>Guy before him talking about what game prior to metal gear had stealth
>Retard says DOS Wolfenstein did so
>Wolfenstein, a FPS where enemies can react to your presence and even some react to you opening doors, but by no means is or has stealth
Are you sure you know how to read? Did you even go to school? Are you fucking retarded? Were you dropped as a baby? Do you have a brain tumor?
>>334689250
>Wolfenstein, a FPS
You don't even know what game he's talking about
>>334689250
>Wolfenstein
>a fps
Wolfenstein isn't Wolfenstein 3D,retard
>>334678607
In a perfect world, you never would have existed to begin with.
>>334689250
>Maybe if a pretend to be retarded now, they'll think I was pretending all along!
>>334689250
Your underage is showing
>>334682370
>implying you cant kill everyone in thief
>>334683024
Bad
>>334689397
got em
Thief will live on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKVSyGvSQR8
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146501&p=2315674
>Genre that is built around waiting
It died for a reason everyone
>>334689250
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Wolfenstein
Educate yourself
>>334689492
>he does not play Thief and Thief 2 the way god intended, on expert.
>>334689840
>He doesn't ghost thief
Well that's strange, this really neat stealth game called DEADBOLT came out last month. Why would a game come out in a dead genre? Here's some evidence to support my claim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKQ46rTyDEU
It's $9.99 on Steam and is made by the same dev who made Risk of Rain, who you might remember as that one anon in /agdg/ on /vg/ who actually went places.
god tier
>head-on encounters are hard but doable, stealth is encouraged and more rewarding
ok tier
>head-on encounters are as easy (if not easier) than going stealthy, stealth still a viable tactic
shit tier
>forced stealth, instant fail if spotted
>no stealth oppurtunity at all, everyone is psychic, everyone instantly alerted to your presence when one enemy sees you
Mankind Divided, Dishonored 2, and Styx Shards of Darkness are all coming soon though.
>>334690169
This
>>334678607
>>334680092
>>334680971
>>334689397
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl3H4vMqYNo
>Stealth game thread
>No one ever even mention Shinobi the best stealth video game franchise
>>334690427
and shadwen next month the demo was pretty neat so it will be interesting to see how the final game turns out and if it can redeem frozenbyte for trine 3
>>334687920
of course, everyone only likes it ironically, because it is soooo bad.
>>334678607
>Thief
>dead
A new full length campaign for TG is being made senpai.
>>334690524
I just vomited through my fucking eyes
>>334687920
This.
>>334690617
Haven't played the demo, but it looks like it's somewhat influenced by some form of Marxist propaganda. It's literally an empowered woman trying to overthrow the patriarchy while trying to protect the innocence of a little girl. Then again Frozenbyte has given me that vibe since Trine and Trine 2, and I pick up on that kind of shit thanks to a childhood of being abused by feminists.
>>334690863
too bad the thief games (except the reboot) are shit :^)
Klei Entertaintment makes a good stealth game on occasion. Mark of the Ninja is alright and Invisible, Inc is pretty good too, though the downloadable content for that game really got me in a tizzy since the ending was exactly the same as in the original game. Those fuckers know how to sequel-bait though, I'll give them that.
>>334690939
yeah epic dude i agree with my own posts too
>>334691201
Confirmed for never playing Deus Ex.
![invisible-inc.promo_0[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/wwtktPj.png "invisible-inc.promo_0[1].png")
I like this game, but I think you guys probably just want to talk about the kind of stealth game where you're one guy sneaking about real time and savescumming whenever anyone sees you
>>334678607
Is the stealth genre the most accomplished genre of games ever?
MGS3, Thief 2, Hitman Bloodmoney, Chaos Theory etc
I don't care if the genre is dying, dead, slowly being revived, whatever, it's fucking irrelevant as I got to experience all of those and they were nothing short of the most incredible gaming experiences i've ever had.
>>334691570
>Love stealth games
>Love tactical squad based strategy games
>Love everything Klei has ever made
>Can't get into Invisible Inc. at all
I don't know what's wrong with me.
>>334691570
>savescumming
guitar as charged
>>334691717
I don't know what to say. every game mechanic I can think of in this game is really good
dr xu is my husbando btw
>>334691570
It's pretty good, but I like Mark of the Ninja more, solely because Invisible, Inc has those roguelike elements and thus harder for me to ever possibly complete, where as Mark of the Ninja is the same every time and thus I could most certainly complete it one way or another. I don't know why, but I almost always have trouble when it comes to games that are roguelike or have roguelike elements. Never have beaten one, outside of Fatal Labyrinth on the Sega Genesis.
>>334692016
the main thing I like about it that I wish other stealth type games would do is have no savescumming and no 'never detected' type bonuses or detection = everything goes to shit. getting detected just means it gets harder faster, just like waiting around for ages, as well as obviously the guy detecting you trying to kill you. so you're balancing sneakan with getting shit done, you're making hard decisions all the time
So are these games meant to be played by saving every few minutes or what? Trying to play an entire level from beginning to end in stealth games is one of the most unfun experiences I've had, with the only exception being Blood Money which actually feels balanced around such an approach.
>>334692228
Yeah, I'll admit that it's pretty good how the game handles detection. My main complaint is simply that if I lose outright I have to start over from the beginning.
That's the main thing I hate about roguelikes and games with roguelike aspects in general, that whole "one chance to complete the entire game" aspect. Only reason I was even able to beat Fatal Labyrinth was once you made it past the 5th floor the game starts to save at every 5th level and you can keep going provided you don't turn the game off.
Roguelikes on PC, while fun on occasion, I can't really beat at all ever because that's not the game I'm good at, and any game that I can't beat I eventually either get frustrated with or bored of and end up uninstalling, possibly not playing it ever again. A lot of it is up to chance, naturally, and games of chance I'm generally horrible at.
Sure there was that time in my math class in my junior year of high school where we were playing craps with our grades, doing math as we went and I somehow won 50 times in a row and ended up getting an A+ for the entire semester and was allowed to play video games on the teacher's computer during the final, but that's literally the only time I've ever done good at a game of chance my entire life. Probably will be the only time unless I somehow get into buying lottery tickets and somehow hit the jackpot.
Still, I'll probably try and beat Invisible, Inc one of these days, but since a ton of it is up to chance I don't see myself doing that any time soon, and with that on my mind I don't really want to play it right now. I still like it, but it's one of those games that I just really don't want to play despite liking it. Kind of like how Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines is one of my all-time favorite video games and yet that one bit with the fucking werewolf that I've only been able to beat without noclip once keeps me from playing through it a 7th time. Maybe if using Obfuscate did shit against it.
>>334693369
I'd have said Bloodmoney feels the least balanced in that respect.
With the exception of the odd instant fail state, pretty much all of them make it easy enough for the player to retreat to safety and try again but with penalties of some sort.
>>334693665
aren't you playing on scrub mode? that gives you 3 rewinds and a restart every mission. I play on expert usually and am about good enough to win all the time. expert plus really shits in my ass
managing risk is pretty much the entire game though so if you're a 'grr rng muh esports ;_;' guy then I got nothing. they did an expansion at some point, maybe get that if you get around to trying it again. it adds some new stuff, new characters and items, and a couple of fun hard levels part way through the campaign
>>334693750
What I mean is that the formula there is basically you doing a few test runs of the level to observe the routines of the characters, forming your plan and then just executing it on one go. The stealth itself isn't very demanding, it's just figuring out how to get the best rank that's difficult. And I mean, I guess you can keep playing after fuck ups but it just feels very unrewarding, while trying to master games just destroys any kind of immersion and usually highlights the flaws in the AI.
I know nothing about the hitman game released this year. tell me: it's shit, isn't it
>>334694193
The game itself is brilliant, it's reliance on a constant connection to squeenix's shitty servers and episodic release are total horseshit.
>>334683909
>>334684069
>Hack n Slash
>dead
Platinum is keeping it alive by sheer force of will
>>334693967
Ah yep that makese sense.
I always felt like Thief and Splinter Cell were pretty good at letting you cautiously plod your way through a level, but Hitman absolutely benefited from replaying of a level after figuring it out.
>>334693665
>Roguelikes on PC, while fun on occasion, I can't really beat at all ever because that's not the game I'm good at, and any game that I can't beat I eventually either get frustrated with or bored of and end up uninstalling, possibly not playing it ever again. A lot of it is up to chance, naturally, and games of chance I'm generally horrible at.
The real fun of roguelikes is seeing how far you can get by improvisation, you dont really "play to win"
>>334693936
Yes, I was playing on "scrub" mode. I still manage to end up using all of my rewinds and my restart sometime around the third or fourth mission. I got to the end of the game once but then the exact same thing happened. I was furious and ended up uninstalling the game. Haven't touched it since.
I'll be honest, I'm not very bright, largely because of being developmentally disabled and having some degree of brain damage. Sure I'm an eloquent retard, but I'm dumber than the average bear. Just because someone has Autism doesn't mean they're a genius or even a savant.
Hell, I just fried the motherboard and who knows what of a $600 computer a couple days ago while trying to install a new power supply because I thought that was what was causing it to shut down at random, when really the fucker just needed a new CPU fan which would have costed maybe $20. Regardless, risk management and/or calculation is something I can't really do unless it's like "DURR DO I GO INTO DEE ROAD WHEN DER IS A SEMI COMING DOWN AT FULL SPEED?" no you do not go into the road when there's a semi coming down at full speed you fat sweaty mongoloid. Referring to myself of course. So naturally games games with roguelike elements that require a lot of risk management - Invisible, Inc of course being one such game - are ones that I am going to do miserably at.
I'm not great at strategy games either, save that period of time in Starcraft where I could use zerg rush and my schizophrenic friend who thought he was Jesus but with a tracking device shoved up his ass was unable to do anything until he somehow managed to learn how to play Protoss like a professional. Invisible, Inc of course is also a strategy game so I'm going to do twice as badly, naturally.
I'll try again one of these days mind you, but probably not until I get a new computer as this toaster cannot run it that well at all it would seem.
>>334689681
but cover based shooters are built around waiting as well
>>334694838
Who said cover shooters are good?
>>334694680
Oh I can improvise. Just not when playing roguelikes. You give me a kitchen full of ingredients and chances are I can probably make something edible, or at least edible to potheads and the mentally ill. Otherwise I'm limited by what I've got on hand, and chances are in a game like Invisible, Inc that's not much.
In a game like The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim I've probably got enough to single-handedly wipe out any and all Thalmor presence in Tamriel by the time I'm level 20, and in a game like Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines all I need is to be Malkavian and have a Franchi SPAS-XV, a SWAT rifle and the Odious Chalice.
Invisible, Inc is a game where I'm probably going to be given shit loot, outside of maybe a copious amount of credits, and even then the money is probably only going to be good for stat boosts. Just like how your average shop in ADOM or Tales of Maj'Eyal doesn't have anything I want, your average nanofabricator in Invisible, Inc doesn't have anything I want either. Don't get me started on Derrek. Fucking MONST3R never has shit I want, outside of occasionally having a good implant and only when I've already gotten my crew upgraded in that regard. I
have really bad luck with procedural loot nine times out of ten. Then again I probably don't know what half the shit in Invisible, Inc does.
>Stealth genre dies as normies take over vidya industry
Can't say I'm surprised that games like Thief or Blood Money will never be made again. They're just too much for casual normie let's players.
I keep hoping there will be a trend of crowdfunded stealth vidya like what we saw with the various decent CRPG projects.
>>334678607
>Things that I don't like shouldn't exist.
>>334696039
The new Hitman is already well on it's way to being a far better Sandbox Hitman game than Bloodmoney.
>MGS
>stealth
>>334678607
Metal gear solid 5 , splinter cell chaos theory, manhunt 1/2 are proving your shit otherwise.
>>334678607
>The "stealth genre" is dead.
it was never really alive. every game had gimmicks and most have way to bruteforce with 0 consequences. "real" stealth like Commando died years before any of the titles you like came under the spotlight
>>334696732
Yeah, new Hitman so far is looking really good. Even with the annoying 'see through walls' power that every stealth game needs to apparently have nowadays.
>>334682824
Shit
>>334679514
>>334691620
Mark of the ninja is the best stealth game ever
>>334682667prophunt?
>>334680646
>woulden't
>then
>"then" TWICE
Fuck off back to school and learn some fucking english you illiterate fucking moronic cunt. I can't even fucking tell if you're 13 or 23 because of how goddamn fucking illiterate everyone is these days. Why can't anyone fucking speak goddamn english anymore
Fuck off you cunt
>>334683703
You're kind of confusing the issue. There's a difference between silently killing people and treating it like an fps where you go in guns blazing and get spotted.
>>334700150
Oh god, that ability just ruins any game I play
>>334690526
I was about to post this
