>4 games later
>STILL no moment as powerful as 5-3 in Demons Souls
Why? Was this the peak of narrative through gameplay that FromSoft was capable of? I thought by now they would fucking try something.
sorry i never played demon's souls
dark souls 2 was my first
>>334675751
Sif was pretty close4 games later and still no game better than Demon's
What are you on about?
>>334675751
Geherman's fight came close in BB, really close, but still not as goo as 5-3. Funny, considering how 5-3 works gameplay wise.
Although Dark Souls III is a massive improvement from 2 and maybe even 1, it still doesn't come close to touching Demon's. I though Bloodborne had a chance, but it was rather disappointing to be honest.
DeS>DaS3>DaS>Bloodborne>>DaSII
>>334675751
>Killing some swamp demon bitch and her boytoy in a cesspool full of undead mutant babies
>Peak of narrative
>>334675751
I can't really call this a 'moment', but Artorias' story had more of an impact on me than Maiden Astraea and Garl.
>>334675934
>I never played the game so your argument is invalid
I never understood why people wank so much to 5-3
>>334675875
>Sif
Do people only care about him because he's a dog? Because I don't especially care about dogs, so I didn't understand the "OMG, poor Sif!!!!" most Dark Souls fanatics get. I can empathize a lot more with a developed human with a backstory than with some random animal.
>>334675751
Artorias' and Gehrman's stories were better imo.
Final boss in DaS3 is pretty close, to be honest.
Demon's Souls had a better "narrative" because it was obviously influenced a fuckton by religion symbolism. They even explicitly say "God" a couple of times. And in 5-2 that dirty old merchant women calls Astrea "Virgin Mary".
So yeah, they had more a of reason to add a narrative. The rest of the Soul games remove practically any reference to religion other than having a few characters dressed in nun/monk attire.
I imported DeS back when it first got popular and there was no english release, and have been a big fan of the series sinceDeS really isn't that great. There's tons of issues with it, and the high points really aren't even that high
>>334676090
Are you retarded or something?
>>334676154
It's about that animal showing sympathy for a living being you hace to kill (that is neither hollow or a monster) just because of his loyalty to his máster, he was doing literally nothing wrong. Also:
> Not liking dogs
>>334676304
But muh ps3 exclusive
>>334676304
>No English release
>All Souls games have always had English dubs regardless of region
?????????????????????????????
>>334675751
This part was easily the best in the souls series, Sif was as close as the souls series came after it, but still not enough.
>>334676247
>The rest of the Soul games remove practically any reference to religion other than having a few characters dressed in nun/monk attire.
>Dark Souls literally based entirely on Gods
okay then
>>334676530
>Dark Souls
>Based on any real world religion
lmaoing at your life
>>334676481
Right. It was the asia release which had english. I meant 'no US release'
Can someone fill me in?
>I thought by now they would fucking try something.
Why try anything when all they have to do is nothing and let the DEEP LORE autist make up their own stories and fight endlessly about their fanfiction over the internet?
>>334676604
Have you never heard of ancient greek pantheons before?
Gwyn is Zeus, you braindead fuck.
>Traipse through a cesspool inhabited by crocodile people
>Fight a big silver guy with a piece of church architecture for a weapon
>Try to talk to a lady sat on a mound of dead babies
>She says something about me being selfish and commits sudoku
This is your "peak of narrative?"
>>334675751
maybe because you are 4 year younger at that times?
>>334676378
dogs are retarded, perpetual children. some, crippled by design. we bred them that way. dogs are a symbol of man's cruelty.
>>334675751
>Go ahead, take your precious demon soul.
I froze at that moment because I realized I'd become a monster. May be the greatest moment in vidya history to me.
>>334676650
As you progress through DeS you slowly pick up clues that "God" and "Demons" both come from the same one being. You keep hearing about a Maiden that went into a valley and never returned, with her Knight/speculated lover. You reach her and they say some nice lines, the Knight defends the Maiden, kill him, the Maiden kills herself and mocks you.
>>334676090
>I'm so cool for liking an obscure game that spawned a franchise of games.
Please fuck off.
People played it, they just don't like it.
>>334676732
>It's not a phase mom!
Damn anon I didn't realize what a tortured soul you are
>>334676863
>>334675751
>tfw realizing she killed herself when she screams
>>334676686
>Dark Souls based on Greek religion
PFFFFFFFFFFT
You fucking wish, my man. You're drawing parallels to the story of Prometheus that's really fucking stretched.
>>334676975
>old bearded father of gods defeats the previous rulers of the world by lobbing spears made of lightning while having a shit ton of kids and subjugating an inferior race
Hmm.
>>334676378
I like dogs, but I can kind of see where he's coming from.
The boss fight itself was horrendous, there wasn't much known or backstory about Sif, even in the DLC, so there's not much to value him for other than "be a dog"
> he was doing literally nothing wrong.
He showed aggression and intent to attack, you retaliated, how was that "nothing wrong"?
>>334675751
>Was this the peak of narrative through gameplay that FromSoft was capable of?
>Killing some demon and her fuckboy in a swamp
Please, try playing some Armored Core. You'll feel like shit any time one of your buddies dieI'm sorry Appleboy
>>334676863
>You've been killing archdemons, soulless humans and abominations left and right and possibly helping other people along the way
>One bitch calls you selfish because you're trying to restore order to the world, and not to some dank ass swamp full of mutant rejects
>You're the "monster" because of this
>>334676732
> Implying wolves are any different than dogs personality wise
Animals are all like that, it has nothing to do with breeding, i knew a Guy who worked at a zoo in my city, even bengal tigers get all clingy and behave childish in front of the human that raised them
sif after completing artorias of the abyss is easily the saddest moment in the entire souls series
>>334677098
He was defending the grave of his master, who once sacrificed himself to save Sif, after you came to pillage it.
>>334677098
He was protecting his masters grave, in his mind it was all he had.
It's precisely that kind of loyalty what people like in dogs.
>Leave us, slayer of demons.
>This is a sanctuary for the lost and wretched.
>There is nothing here for you to pillage or plunder.
>You will not turn back, will you?
>You... you killed him, didn't you?
>Do as you like. Take you precious Demon's Soul.
Still gives me chills.
>>334677196
And you were taking the ring from the grave in order to serve a greater purpose. It's not about wrong or right, just sad shit that had to be done. But don't act like Sif is a victim when he could have just let you take the ring and fuck right off.
>>334677130
>restore order to the world
according to whose plan?
Nostalgiafags are the worst
BB>DaS>DaS3>DeS>DaSII
>>334677315
You get tasked with defending your old master's grave for as long as you can and you're supposed to let someone familiar graverob because why?
>>334675751
The arena in 5-3 is garbage and the items there are a chore to get. The fetus monsters are poorly designed. There should be some hardly noticeably but telltale sign of their presence, such as bubbles or ripples or something. Garl Vinland is a great encounter, who is ruined by having to fight him in a claustrophobic rock tunnel that only serves to disadvantage him.
>>334676630
I'm pretty sure they made it stateside. I have the Asian version too and I remember envying the westerners when it got announced because I'm stuck killing azn bois in 4-1.
But goddamn when you receive a hatemail from some aussir fuck it was the best experience. You can tell the aussies because they're usually retarded looking characters.
Also what happened to your world getting harder everytime you die in it? Nothing more satisfying than killing these in their Black Phantom form
Soul of cinder swapping weapons is the best thing in the series.
Prove me wrong
Protip:Thou canst
>>334677450
Because that ring is required for us, as the player, to like the fire and "restore" civilisation.
I'm not saying Sif is an asshole killing machine, I'm just saying he's not a victim, it was fair ground for both sides.
![russian-imperial-army-3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eL13oNP.jpg "russian-imperial-army-3[1].jpg")
Artorias was high point of Souls game. The story, the battle, everything was perfect
>>334677315
> And you were taking the ring from the grave in order to serve a greater purpose
Yes because the dog knew that, it was the act of loyalty to his master what people liked about Sif, i can't believe people have a difficult time understanding this
>>334677527
>mfw he fliprolled
>>334676154
i honestly feel the same. dogshits just get too emotional over any fucking dog they see
>>334677130
Astraea had good intentions, you on the other hand are going around slaughtering everything in your path, including her protector, just so you can become more powerful.
>>334677472
I know this is b8 buuuuuuuuuuuut
>There should be some hardly noticeably but telltale sign of their presence
How about kicking one of the goblins down and seeing him get ripped to shreds by the plague babies? ;)
>>334676604
Dark souls gwyn is Zeus and his kids too
But in Demons souls god is just the old one
I really wanna play Demon's, but I don't have a PS3 anymore (broke last year), and I'm too lazy to buy a new one.
>>334677571
> Because that ring is required for us, as the player, to like the fire and "restore" civilisation.
According to who? Frampt or Kathee who clearly had their hidden agendas?
And even if that's true there was no way for Sif to know that
>>334677571
Sif is a victim because he's having to fight someone that helped him. He'd definitely like to not do that but give him the side of his old master and the person who saved him and freed that master from being magnus' bitch for all eternity he's sticking to his duty. It's tragic because this is lose lose for Sif, who has no way out but to kill the palyer endlessly or die in defense of a grave.
>>334677727
If murdering a person is a better alternative to someone simply grabbing a ring and leaving, then Sif isn't some innocent victim puppy while we murder him brutally.
It doesn't matter the purpose, the dog chose to attack, and we defended.
>>334676154
>random animal
How do you empathize with anything by being retarded? He had motivation and a little back story. What more do you want?
>>334677965
Dogs can't think like humans you know.
one of the first souls related images i ever saw on /v/
good times those demons souls threads...
>>334677901
Actually, in Demons Souls, god created the old one. There is a real god, but most people are not aware of it, and attribute it to the Old One.
>>334677951
Or you could see it as freeing Sif from such a ridiculous burden, and allow him to rest. Regardless, he still had a decision to make, despite being a dog, and we reacted accordingly
>>334677919
there was no way for you to know why sif is attacking you either
you get the full picture with item description and the dlc but going through the game he's just a wolf who wants to mow down your ass
>>334678020
Dogs aren't as retarded as you think they are, they have a sense of moral, they know what is good and what is bad.
>reminder that Garl was a sexy beast and slayed that pussy
>>334677965
You are tallking about Sif as if he was a human that can be talked to, and reason with.
Dogs value their masters more than anything, and that loyalty stays alive even after the master is desde.
And that iss what people like about Sif and dogs in general, which is purer and nobler than the "greater purpose" or whatever scheme Frampt/Kathee tricked you into doing.
>>334678135
It really doesn't take a genius to figure out that he was protecting the grave of his master
>>334678228
Just understood that dude with a huge mace and a maiden in DaSIII are a node to Garl and Astrea
>>334675751
Yeah I've finished Demon's Souls a couple of times and you're going to have to explain this to me. Garl is an autistic white knight and she's a corrupted slut sitting atop a pile of gold
What's so powerful about that?
>>334678228
>implying Astraea wasn't pure
>>334675751
>Just used arrows to kill her from the cliff
I thought it was pretty badly done. At best you get a fight against an NPC, not even a proper boss. I do like it lore wise though, although in that regard I still prefer Latria.
>>334678323
This, I have no idea what I'm missing.
>>334678265
>Dogs value their masters more than anything, and that loyalty stays alive even after the master is desde.
Sorry, but that's not a good representation of most dogs. Sif had a choice, and he made his decision, stop acting like hes a robot that can only obey his masters command.
>>334678323
Beta whiteknight faggots can relate to Garl, hence all the love
>>334678228
>we'll never get detailed face illustrations in the art books for any Souls NPC ever again
>>334677793
>slaughtering everything in your path
Could it be because everything in Boleteria is hostile as fuck and wants you dead? Astraea wasn't doing anything special in the swamp anyhow, besides making a bunch of muties feel better and reviving aborted fetuses as demons
>>334678571
>B..But she's a cute grill
>>334676065
I don't care how much of a tryhard you are, EVERYBODY had that moment where they went "oh, shit, fetus swamp"
>>334677793
Wasn't the whole reason you go to Boletaria in order to get rid of the fog.
>>334678689
Fetus swamp was shocking yes. That is actually the only strong moment of the encounter
>>334678395
You are going back in circles, he HAD choices, and choose to protect the tomb of his master that raised him and saved him until his last breath, that selflesness and self sacrfice is what people liked.
If you think is stupid or don't like it, it's fine, but stop pretending you don't get it or that he boss fight was just a random monster that had to be out down.
>>334676732
something loyal enough to literally die for your worthless life has more intrinsic value to the world than you ever will.
>>334678323
Astraea is only corrupted because she accepted a demon soul in order to ease the pain of the people around her, the fact that shekills herself once you actually confront her just makes the whole situation that much more depressing.
>>334678571
You could just stay in the Nexus and chill, nobody is forcing you to go out and go into these locations. She was trying to heal a location that was basically ground zero for pestilence that turned everyone into a mutated monster. She had good intentions, I think so anyway.
>>334678323
You seriously don't see it that way do you?
If you are then I understand why you can't comprehend the story. Fucking moron
>>334678395
>Intense loyalty means robotic.
He's defending his master's grave out of loyalty and choice.
>>334675751
This bossfight is so fucking overrated.
I watched the boss fight.
Can someone explain why it is so memorable? The music and atmosphere are beautiful but the boss fight looks bland. Is there something I should know?
![Metal-Gear-Solid-Phantom-Pain-DD[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ync3r0U.jpg "Metal-Gear-Solid-Phantom-Pain-DD[1].jpg")
Why is everone talking about Sif as a dog?
He is a wolf
>>334678820
Exactly, and that's why he's not a victim.
>Nobody mentioned Oceiros
The way he keeps talking to his imaginary child in the first phase and goes berserk after not being able to find the child was fantastic.
>>334676304
It's not perfect but it had a lot of charm and I think most people have fonder memories of it than any of the other games because it was the first they played of the series.
Same can be said for DaS1.
>>334678767
And that's why he's not a victim. When you make a choice and it has consequences, you can't cry and act like life isn't fair.
>>334678876
Sure he's not a victim.
He's not inherently malicious and is only fighting because he loves his master and is an animal that can't understand why you're approaching the grave.
Even more sad after the DLC since he recognises you and still does his perceived duty.
Just because someone isn't a victim doesn't mean that shit isn't sad.
I mean Gwyn's story is also sad and depressing yet he's done things wrong as well.
>>334678787
Then explain why she's sitting on mountain of gold
>>334678787
If the game had a choice like that, like a door "Leave Boletaria" and a correspodning ending - then it would matter, otherwise no - the player has no choice in playing
>>334679001
My initial claim was he wasn't a victim of some evil act, so what now?
>>334678860
>He
>>334678802
Explain it then. This ought to be good.
>>334678831
The fight itself is bland but the backstory is what drives the fight.
Astraea was a holy figure and upon reaching the swamp took in a demons soul to "take care of" the unwanted people that resided in the swamp. Which largely composed of fetuses that were tossed aside.
And when you enter the boss fight she knows what you're after and asks you multiple times to leave her and the people of the swamp in peace.
It's a one of the more depressing storylines in the game.
Ostravas is up there too.
Only two moments in the series that have ever struck me.
Vendrick. The somber music that plays helps, but seeing a former king wandering aimlessly, the stringings of his former life cast aside in a pile...very melancholy character. Well delivered.
The second is Ludwig. That moment of clarity, that struggle to retain humanity, the fragile hope that his life and crusade wasn't for naught. 10/10 GOAT boss.
>>334676154
It help that he's a dog but the context is why people like him. The fact that he's a dog implies a lot about his personality which communicates the situation clearly.
5-3 is similar because you can also see what's going on without having it explained. The situation is fairly obvious just from looking at it but it takes a little while and some additional information to narrow it down to exactly what the scenario was.
Besides, you just hate Sif because you're brown.
>>334678953
I don't think i never said he was a victim, it's just a tragic story, and a Boss that's remembered because of his Background than the fight itself, as opposed to Ornsteing and Smoug.
>>334679069
What?
Your initial claim was that because it was for the greater good people shouldn't feel pity for Sif.
Are you this emotionally retarded?
>>334679149
When I played DeS for the first time I thought that fetuses were her children, it made it even more dramatic
>>334676154
At first, I didn't really mind killing Sif. He was just a boss and I thought people who got upset over killing him were faggot. But I do admit, after finishing Artorias and saving him in the past, seeing the new version of the cutscene prefight, and seeing him limp and desperately try to keep fighting when near death got to me a little.
>>334678051
I guess the opening does kinda confirm this. Huh.
Never even thought about that
>>334679096
Why, you'll just see it through the eyes of a /v/irgin anyway and jsut spout the beta shit over and over. You won't understand it because of how you perceive the world so it's pretty pointless.
>>334676604
>>Dark Souls
>>Based on any real world religion
He's done it, lads. He's lost his mind.
>>334678787
>You could just stay in the Nexus and chill, nobody is forcing you to go out and go into these locations
Well that would make for a boring game.
Also the world is on the verge of being destroyed by the Old One, so who really cares about what Astraea's intentions were.
>>334679005
She's not. Are you fucking retarded?
Which Souls game had the best beginning for why the protagonist is doing all this work when they're just some mortal with absurd, nearly SUPERMAN abilities.
>Demon's Souls
>Character was a badass adventurer literally just wanting to take the challenge to save the world and kick demon's teeth in by themselves
>Dark Souls
>You were sent to an asylum because of a curse, some guy tells vaguely tells you where two bells are and now you decide to fuck up the gods because the opportunity arises
>Dark Souls 2
>Character plagued by curse just really wants to reverse it
>BB
>Fucked up experiment gone wrong, character needs to get the hell out
>Dark Souls 3
>Pretty shit JRPG reason of villager needing to fight big bads behind end of the world
>>334679078
> He calls living beings the same as things
I know it,s gramatically correct (in english languaje at least) but it's retarded AF
>>334679010
The whole point of the game is that your player character enters the white fog in order to get rid of it and put the old one back to slumber or to harness the power of demons souls.
That and once you enter the fog you can't leave unless you're exceptionally powerful like the character who escapes the fog to tell the world of whats happened to Boletaria.
Although there is an ending where you simply give up, it's when you don't turn on the game ever again and end up like the crestfallen.
>>334679276
>It's too deep for you
>>334679005
Offerings by the people of the valley, it's not like she has any use for it.
What's the alternative, she came there to hoard trinkets and revive aborted fetuses?
what SL do people coop abyss watchers at? sl 38 here and only 1 bite so far
>>334676304
its sony exclusive though
>>334679392
Sif is a female wolf you idiot
>>334679390
>DS3
I like DS3 because you're just a randomer. You meet that guy who's also an unkindled one at the fire shrine and he just mopes.
You're not special, hell you're not the only "chosen one". You're just a prospective saviour until you actually go through with it.
![246193-tesla_coil[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ETFbO45.jpg "246193-tesla_coil[1].jpg")
>>334679462
i finished them at SL15 with a sunbro
>>334679372
Maybe you ought to play the game again
With glasses on
>>334679251
>popular belief: god exists
>secret wisdom: god doesn't exist, the plebs are worshiping the Old One.
>super-duper secret truth: god exists.
it's pretty damn ironic.
>>334679390
I know this is bait but in DaS3 you're resurrected along with dozens of others according to a prophecy in order to force the previous lords back onto their thrones.
>>334679149
Interesting.
Why are there so many fetuses in the swamp? Is she trying to revive them?
So she accepted a Demon soul to give her the power to revive the damned. Why are we on a quest to acquire it then? It seems like Demon souls aren't all used for bad
Also can someone keep posting the face art
Soul of Cinder comes close imo. If this game is truly the last in the series, I can't think of a better final boss.
>>334676247
>lmao dark souls doesn't have religous references
did you even play the new one everyone is talking about? there's gods, priests, prayers, crosses in some sections, etc.
and that's before you even talk about the gods and religious narratives about destiny and shit
>>334679392
Does your handler know you're on here?
>>334679737
> If this game is truly the last in the series
The milking must go one
>>334679580
Point out the gold, motherfucker. Point it out to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3nckWeT-m0
almost crying of nostalgia
>>334679737
>Fighting him first time.
>Eh this is pretty cool. Chosen unfed back for a boss fight.
>Phase 2.
>Oh o-
>*Sad piano notes*
FUCKING GWYN.
Best boss/10.
>>334679689
Demons are merely beings who consume the souls of other to gain power. They are not innately different from humans, and humans can become demons. This is evident in both Astrea and the player character.
>implyingAah, you were at my side all along
>>334679842
Why not posing the best theme in the game instead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ESqvGzdnvs
>>334675751
Ludwig
>>334679828
pic related
it being gold makes sense
>>334679545
that was the same for DaS1 as well, you didn't do all those things because you are the Chosen Undead, you are the Chosen Undead because you did all those things
>>334679979
Damn I forgot how assugly DeS was
>>334679828
It's to the left along with a whole bunch of jewelry. One image search from google isn't going to show you.
Play the game again because you obviously didn't pay attention
>>334680005
I probably should've paid more attention playing through the first game.
Skipped like most of the stuff.
>>334679689
Because the nobles fucked all the time but birth control wasn't a thing, so if they didnt want a child it was tossed aside into the swamp.
She accepted the demons soul because she -apparently- found out that god does not exist and therefore accepted the soul in order to govern the swamp and protect its residents.
But based on the boss battle what ends up happening is that she takes over the place completely which is why the game says her soul is the most impure. You can tell this because all the fodder is bowing in her direction as if she is a deity.
Along with her two other humans took in a demons souls
One was the old monk who got corrupted by his headwear (Xanthous), and the other is king allant who started all this shit.
>>334679979
>>334680051
That texture is all over the swamp area, play the game.
Just finishing my fourth playthrough of Demons' Souls. While I will always appreciate its atmosphere, the gameplay itself is aging. I believe that Demons' Souls is held to a different standard than other Souls iterations for whatever reason - maybe it's nostalgia, maybe it's its exclusivity.
The level design isn't especially impressive excepting Boletaria and Latria - which are also aesthetically the most interesting areas outside of some sections of the Shrine of Storms and Valley of Defilement. Many of the boss fights aren't challenging, while others are disproportionately difficult. I like that bosses weren't slaves to the self-aware level of difficulty that modern Souls games are shackled to, but they can be boring on repeat playthroughs - especially Dragon God.
And fuck 4-2.
>>334679689
you need to kill all the demons so the old one will seek you out as a new demon candidate, either as a ruse to put it to sleep or to genuinely become its new demon champion.
Astreae really does nothing wrong but you still must kill her to complete your quest.
>>334680126
Demon's Souls is judged based on the fact that it's the first game and thus doesn't have the optimization of later entries into the series. Understanding that gives it a little leeway.
People who say it's objectively better than DaS or BB are just being contrary though.
>>334679689
You're an adventurer so the whole point is you enter the fog either to restore Boletaria or to take the power of the demons.
>>334678764
Maybe if you're an emotionally dead husk of human being
I felt like the final boss of DaS3 was more emotionally significant.
Area 3 was the highlight of the game and everything before and after was honestly kind of bland. Aside from maybe Storm King
Also Demon's was the most broken/easily cheesed game of the series (lol Thief's Ring), magic was all over the place, weapon paths were littered with tons of useless/homogenous
I like the game, but I'm not sure why it gets so much praise over the other entires. I think I'd consider DaS1 to be the best of the bunch
>tfw you will never be a Garl Vinland and be a faithful, loyal knight to someone and follow them into anything no matter what, your duty and life bound to them and protecting them from whatever happens
>>334680505
If you've played DaS3 or Bloodborne you're doing the same exact thing DeS fans are doing and letting your nostalgia and personal view cloud your judgement.
Those games have vast improvement in mobility, gameplay, balancing and level design over DaS. That's the ironic part of people who decry DeS fanboys is that they invariably do the exact same thing for DaS1.
>>334680120
From what I remember the rest of VoD is really muddy and covered in darkness, the area where Astraea is sitting has a white / yellow glow to it.
I liked DaS but I avoid DeS because the story sounded really generic.
>An ancient evil fog awakens and you have to stop it and save the world because you were the chosen one.
Is that about right? That's how a friend described it to me.
>All the underage in this thread that can't appreciate a great narrative in vidya
I know someone with this mindset who just powers through games like fast food and takes nothing from them
Oh shit, it's a tier list:
God Tier:
>False King Allant
>Maiden Astraea, thematically
>Flamefucker
>Maneaters
Great Tier:
>Tower Knight
>Penetrator
>Fool's Idol
>Adjudicator
Gimmick Tier:
>Old Monk, online
>Old Hero
>Storm King
>Maiden Astraea, practically
Bad Gimmick Tier:
>Old Monk, offline
>Armor Spider
>Dragon God
Literally Who Tier:
>Phalanx
>Leechmonger
>Dirty ColossusWhy do you even exist?
>>334680906
Well done, your friend is an idiot and so are you for just listening to him and not doing research yourself. You aren't the chosen one at all.
>>334680906
No. You're just some guy, amongst many people, who journeyed to the fog-blighted land of Boletaria to seek your own goal - whether it be to end the blight or seek the power of Demons. You're no one special until you start accomplishing things, just like in DaS.
Also in DaS you're the fucking CHOSEN Undead. C'mon now.
>>334680906
An ancient fogs been kicking around for like a 100 years and your tired of its shit so you eat the power of every demon that ever came out of it to taunt out the dude who made the fog who you then beat the fuck out of to save the world
>>334680906
Well if you played das1 you will know most of its greatness comes from not only the story.
The atmosphere, npcs you meet along the way, etc etc.. Demons souls is oozing with atmosphere
Also play the game you mongoloid
Thread music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9piElENpvmM
>>334681183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnfzIhrGjLc
![266px-ToddHoward2010sm[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5lvVIDA.jpg "266px-ToddHoward2010sm[1].jpg")
>>334681183
>willingly gives in to the Demon
>Saint
a corrupted slut and a beta whiteknight
a perfect couple
>>334680978
I agree with this mostly, though I really like the old hero fight.
Old monk was a great idea but it's a shame that the game is dead now
How was it the peak in narrative? I just remember her chilling while that fuck tried to kill me.I really don't understand how soulsfags manage to get all this information. I just play the game normally and most of the time don't get any information/backstory at all.
>>334680505
It was a brand new IP, of course not everything is going to be polished and completely balanced, weapon variety was also very poor. Still, all the areas were well done and had a certain charm to them and it had the best hub out of all the souls gamesas long as Yurt wasn't there.
DaS1 feels like a vastly different game in comparison and it doesn't really seem fair to directly compare the two, obviously the spiritual successor / sequel is going to improve on existing ideas.
I just wish Sony would release a remaster or straight up PC port, more people should get to play DeS.
>>334681359
A remaster of DeS without changes to mechanic would be good. i missed the online since I was a piratefag on PS3
>>334681327
read the description of the area when you warp there.
>>334676247
They all had religious themes but DeS just had ones that you connected with more. Dark Souls has heaps of connections to Greek and Norse mythology wheras DeS was more contemporary abrahamic religious influences.
Bloodborne also was very religious in theme/story, but in a different way.
Dark Souls is definetly the most generic though, DeS and Bloodborne just seemed more relatable to me, Bolataria and Yharnam felt like they could be proper places that got fucked up, Lordran seems too fantastical. Also having 2 unesisary sequels tarnished the lore a lot. From should have made 5 unique games each with there own lore, BB, DeS and DaS1 are the standouts (storywise) because the type of storytelling employed really doesn't lend itself for more entries.
>>334681327
I'm not gonna be dickish to you for not getting it, I'm actually gonna help you out.
Most of the information in Souls games comes from talking to NPCs multiple times instead of just once and reading the item descriptions that everything in the game has.
They form a complex narrative behind the scenes that can be easily missed if you don't go searching for it.
>>334681327
Do you even speak to npcs?
And if irc it literally tells you about Astraea on the VoD archstone
>>334681327
Read item descriptions, listen to what characters say, pay attention to your surroundings.
The story/lore is only as deep as you're willing to investigate
>>334680906
Your friend's a fucking retard. The story involves slaying demons and the power of demons' souls, the fog isn't important. Each area contains a somewhat self-contained story.
>A king apparently goes insane and sacrifices his kingdom to the demons in a bid for immense power
>Who knows what those scalies were thinking, but they incarnated a dragon god from some dragon-bone soup
>Honey I'm home, and I brought back the demonic garment that's going to ruin everything and make me a god
>The folklore figures of a mysterious, ritualistic tribe of shadowmen manifests in reality and fucks you sideways
>Behold, the stinky rubbish bin of society where everything - including fun - goes to rot and die
>>334681458
>A remaster of DeS without changes to mechanic would be good
Oh no, some changes are definitely in order. Namely:
>Weight/number restriction on healing grass like in BB
>Fixing Running Firestorm
>Nerfing health regen
>>334681505
Dude stop. DaS and DaSIII created a very cool grim fanatsy universe with tons of great subplots. I'am more than welcome for DaSIV from Miyadzaki
>>334681327
IF you do get the story from playing you are autistic so don't worry m8 only about 25% of /v/ gets it
>>334681327
>The Valley of Defilement is a wretched home for the abused and neglected citizens of Boletaria. A dumping ground for the Kingdom’s unholy, the Valley became notorious as a place where one could leave the fetus of an unwanted child to rot in the festering swamps. Hearing of the Valley’s dreadful circumstance, the Sixth Saint Astraea took it upon herself and, along with her companions, The Holy Knight Lizaia, The Moonlight Knight Bito, and Garl Vinland, traveled there in hopes of freeing the depraved souls consumed by the fog. The mindless drones that now remain in the Valley will violently attack any who threaten them in hopes of claiming souls to offer up to the great Maiden who showed them compassion. In the deepest pits of the Valley are born two vile demons out of the putrilage and plague that lingers in the deadly bog. It is said that Astraea pledged herself to the will of a Demon’s Soul to help ease the pain of the suffering, rather than to accept the aid of a cruel God who would allow such a place to exist.
You know, I should have gone to bed 30 minutes ago, but this is the closest I've seen to an original DeS tier thread in forever.
Those threads were always bro-tier, I missed you guys
>>334676154
While I like Sif as a character I agree with the sentiment behind this post. People that obsess over dogs; especially those that show greater sympathy for dogs than humans, can go fuck themselves.
>>334681651
Where is this from?
>>334679737
I believe it's the last Dark Souls. But I wouldn't be surprised if there is going to be a Sci-Fi Souls or Bloodborne 2 or something along those lines.
>>334681183
>>334681224
This reminds me of the soundtrack of Interstellar.
>>334678047
Even though I completed the game when it was released in Europe, it took me YEARS to actually understand that comic. I can't even explain why.
Now it always bring out a chuckle.
>>334675751
pretty sure the gwyn fight was far more powerful than that fight easily
>>334679225
>dumb whore with a demon's soul hoarding gold next to a pile of dead children
It was obvious what was really happening
>>334681601
I can't see how those changes would help the game for the better (excluding PvP, who gives a shit). Grass being farmable made the game easier on casual players at the cost of spending time grinding for the items, same with regen items making VoD significantly easier if you knew where to get them.
It's like saying the drake sword should be removed from the game should DS1 ever get a remaster because it makes the first few zones completely trivial.
>>334678912
This is probably true.
There really is nothing quite like your first playthrough. I never got that "Yes, I did it!" feeling of utter accomplishment from any game in the series after I started out with Dark Souls.
Demon's felt boring and tame in comparison, and Astraea especially is incredibly overhyped. I seriously don't get how people can praise her so much.
>>334676247
That funny considering all the homosexual undertones throughout the whole game.
>tfw shrine of storms is my favourite environment in any souls game
>tfw worse framerate problems than Blighttown
>>334676154
Sif is a female wolf, you fool.
>>334676650
I couldn't find a video without commentary of the boss fight but here is the music and Dialouge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYBjp0dd6A
The "Boss" is Maiden Astraea but she doesn't fight, you just have to defeat her body guard (and lover) and she'll kill herself. All why they just beg you to leave peacefully.
>>334682130
> (and lover)
Whoa I dont remember that happening
Why does Garl say that the PC had abandoned them?
>>334682117
who cares it's dead now
>>334682196
it's ambiguous, you don't actually know if they were or not
>>334682227
"you" referring to humanity as a whole rather than the pc
>>334681883
>Sci-Fi Souls
PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE.
The implications for a Cyberpunk Souls game are tremendous, from cyber implants, exoskeletons, laser swords, laser guns, mecha, etc. Now about the plot, that's something else. Make it alien tech instead of demons or something.
>>334682283
well i mean she kills herself if you kill him is a pretty good indication
>>334678695
Some people went to save Bolataria others went for the power of demons souls(TM). It's up to you to role play your character's intentions, you can be a good guy trying to save the world or an asshole who wants MOAR POWER.
>You need her soul which she willingly absorbed in order to save the world from total destruction
>"Please leave us be."
Sure, she has good intentions, but I have zero sympathy for her. She made her choice, and it was the blatantly wrong choice, and she caused a lot of suffering while really not helping anyone because of it.
I didn't let her finish her speech in my playthrough, I started wailing on her halfway through.
>>334682341
they are childhood friends
>>334682310
The problem with science fiction is that it lends itself to guns and projectiles instead of swords and shit.
>>334682378
yeah but a friend dying is more of a revenge trigger a suicide trigger is more for a lover
>>334682054
>homosexual undertones
Stop projecting your own inclinations on everything.
>>334679390
Demon souls easily. it's really the only one where everything makes sense, and the story does. it's the only game that actually has a good ending. Dark souls it's pointless(I haven't done the third ending yet in 3 so FYI) Dark souls 1 your choice is meaningless. Dark souls 2 your ending doesn't effect the world at all anyways, you become the next monarch, strongest being in the souls universe. but you don't actually change the cycle at all. you just get treatment to the curse of the undead for yourself.
and for dark souls 3 I've done the link the fire ending, but as I said haven't done the other 2 so I will have to see.
Demon souls is the only game that actually has a meaningful ending. you either save the world, by lulling the old one back to sleep or the entire world is covered in the demons fog. it's simple and precise.
>>334682405
Dune
>>334682426
>yeah but a friend dying is more of a revenge trigger a suicide trigger is more for a lover
literally what? how? where was this rule made?
>>334682426
and what would she do? explode herself?
I'm actually pretty disapointed Astrea didnt turn into some kind of eldrich abomination boss for us to fight
>>334675875
Atmosphere-wise no other souls game comes close to it, but the boss fights in Demon's Souls weren't that great. The ratio of gimmick bosses was way too high.
>>334682502
history? whenever you hear someone die of grief it's due to a husband or lover dying never a close friend.
>>334682595
you're an idiot senpai
>>334682623
good counter idiot. go read some Shakespeare.
>>334682450
Demon Souls has a story going, but DaS really made it in creating a great fictional universe with deep lore and shit
>>334682657
you have no original argument, all youve been saying is
>they were lovers because she killed herself when garl died, my proof is its happened at times in history and in plays!!
people have killed themselves because their friends have died, because billions of people have died in all sorts of ways in history, this is not any proof they were lovers, now if you can give me concrete evidence from the game sure ill believe it
>>334680978
I liked Phalanx, it was a good early game boss to teach you about trying to spot enemy weakness and trying to position yourself to deal with multiple enemies at once.
Leechmonger had the Pinwheel problem, it was a fine enough concept for a boss but it had about a third of the health it needed to have.
>Dirty Colossus
>Why do you even exist?
For his awesome musical accompaniment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i4JP-NxfN8
That's another reason why Demon's Souls is the best game in the series for me, the music is vastly superior in my opinion in terms of creating atmosphere. In Dark Souls onwards, everyone from great lord to mere beast brings their orchestra with them into battle, I found the more technically simple but varied music in Demon's Souls to be more evocative of the image of the boss.
>>334681073
I know you're simply trying to make a point about DeS having a larger separation from the whole "chosen one" shtick, but I thought it was made fairly clear in DaS1 that though you were called the "chosen" undead by several characters, all undead that can manage to get decently strong and not hollow out into nig-nogs are "chosen undead."
>>334682772
well since you are a full blown retard incapable of using google here you go just for you
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathByDespair
99.9% are loved one deaths NEVER friend
Off the top of my head.
Artorias backstory and his bossfight and sad epic music
Sif change
Queelags sister
Maria grabbing your arm, dat sexual tension
>>334682831
>still no evidence at all and linking to tvtropes
>calling others retards
evidence senpai, tvtropes is not in game in des
>>334682876
>I'm too scared to get rekt
it's ok anon you can go mope in the corner come back when you have a real defense
>>334682016
it's the same thing for demon souls players. we don't understand how you can praise O&S so much. for a demon souls player like my self Dark souls 1 is like your dark souls 2. it's overall a let down to it's predecessor.
for some one like me played demon souls first dark souls 1 was just meh in comparison. Dark souls 2 mean while I enjoyed. it was more of a proper sequal to demon souls than dark souls 1 was.
the jurys still out on 3, I'm enjoying it.
>>334682678
thing is, it's deep lore while good doesn't excuse the really bland story. becuese it's all focused on cycles you can't really every get an ending that means something to the player. as it was proven in Dark souls 2, whether you chose to link the fire, or to let it fade doesn't matter.
demon souls is different none of the cycle bullshit. and you get attached to a lot of the characters to the point where the character building in demon souls wassss far better than dark souls 1. the only character who I ever got attacked to was Sif. every other character was just bland. Dark souls 2 has somewhat the same problem, but It still has more characters that I actually can care about.
>>334678764
>Priestess so sympathetic and pained by the suffering of those born different/mutated/afflicted or aborted that she travels to a disease ridden hellhole to offer some form of hope to the people
>Becomes tainted in the process by a multitude of things
>Remains there as their beacon of hope, offering whatever aid she can with her stalwart companion forever by her side
>She becomes a demon in the process
>Not just A demon, but THE archdemon
>She's doing literally nothing wrong, but her very existence is a threat to the cycle and she HAS to be killed
>She's willing to just give up, but her protector won't allow it
>No matter what, she has to die
I dunno man, that's some pretty heavy shit for a souls game.
>>334680978
Has anyone else tried doing Leechmonger without cheesing fire from the ledges? The hitboxes on his attacks are the messiest pieces of shit in the entire series.
>>334682429
Dude, look it up. Lots of homoerotic symbolism in the game.
>>334679545
>You're not special, hell you're not the only "chosen one". You're just a prospective saviour until you actually go through with it.
That's basically every game. That's the entire point of the cycles and phantoms invading other worlds, etc.
>>334680096
They basically call you CHOSEN UNDEAD to make you feel special and do what they say. Oscar was also "chosen".
>>334680816
Because she's so fucking pure and holy you idiot, she has an aura.
>>334683113
Why don't you give us at least 5 examples if there are so many?
>>334683225
Wow, this comment made me laugh out loud. Great job man.
>>334682980
Which characters did you care about in Dark Souls 2? None of them stuck out to me and the cycle of rebirth shit just felt like they didn't feel like writing any new plot
>>334681128
>Demons souls is oozing with atmosphere
Basically this. For some reason, DaS just feels half as atmospheric and more.. I dunno, barren and empty.
>>334682980
I think that's your fault you couldn't get attached to any of the Dark Souls characters, there were plenty to relate to. Siegmeyer and his daughter, Solaire and his futile quest, the silent firekeeper; they all felt meaningful, and were part of why I felt so sad and defeated at the end.
>>334675751
Shit is no more "powerful" than anything from any souls game. Fucking meme boss.
>>334680978
>>Dirty Colossus Why do you even exist?
to teach you how to get through the Cathedral of the Deep seven years early
I'm still mad at how overhyped Memelurker was. Beat that fuck on my first try. Sure he's aggressive but he flinches when you hit him. Making stunlocking him easy.
>>334676154
>>334677784
must be nice feeling so empty and hollow inside
>>334683636
for 2? genreally I cared about the ivory kings queen. it was kinda sad. how dispite her being a fragment of manus the ivory king still accepted her, and he even died leaving her all alone.
Other than that? Fume knight comes to mind, once you know his backstory you really do feel sorry for the guy.
most of the characters in 2 were forgetable, yes, but the same can be said for dark souls 2
>>334683678
it's not my fault they are generic. sure siegmeyer and his daughter is touching, but just becuese something is touching doesn't mean I'm going to care about them. Solaire is the single most overrated character in the souls series. he is the nickleback of souls series.
but really as dark souls 2 showed us none of their fates/quests mean anything. it's all pointless.
the problem is that coming from demon souls, whose characters are much much much better written. the dark souls 1 characters are just okay. Sif is the only one who I can actually get attached to.
>>334678020
Too bad for them then. If a wolf attacked me, I wouldn't go "oh, how tragic, he's just feeling threatened by my disgusting human presence. I ought to just sit down and let him finish me off, he's 2innocent4me :_;" Instead, I'd just euthanize his ass and be done with it. Mindless being don't deserve my sympathy.
>>334678265
Following that line of logic, we shouldn't stop a lion from eating us either.
>awww, he's just hungry, he doesn't care about our petty human morals! ;_;
>see, he just can't understand that we just want to be left alone! I suppose we just need to let him kill us, the alternative would just be too cruel to even consider
Loyalty is only worth anything if it's to a noble cause. "Defending some dude who fed me's grave" isn't a noble cause. Animals are incapable of following noble causes, they just follow their instincts. You dog-lovers make me puke.
>>334684062
The reason Solaire is so well-liked is because he's your only real friend with a quest you can relate to.
He's just like you, he has a goal to achieve that seems nearly impossible, and yet he still manages to keep his spirit up and stay positive.
He also helps you out quite a few times and is generally friendly, chatting with you and joking around with you around the bonfire.
It's no wonder people grew so attached to him.
Out of context, he's nothing special at all, in fact he's quite bland, like you said, but it's the fact that even in a cruel land where everything is out to kill you, including former allies, you can find someone to befriend and look up to, that makes him so memorable.
TL/DR; boring character made memorable by context.
>>334684062
I like both Dark Souls 1 and Demons Souls for different reasons, both had good and bad points.
Demon Souls:
+best souls story
+best characters
- lots of disappointing bosses
- tiny weapon pool compared to later games
Dark Souls 1:
+better bossfights
+interconnected world allows many different routes and speedrunning
+more interesting weapons
-story is less in your face, though still better than either DaS2 or 3 in that regard
-already started reusing some of the same kinds of areas
>>334678787
If you just sit in the nexus and chill, the world is fucking doomed. The fog expands, and will eventually swallow the whole world. People lose their souls and demons roam the fog, killing indiscriminately. Doing nothing would have been far more abhorrent than doing what is needed.
>>334684452
yeah, hes basically dark souls version of ostrava.
>>334684510
I'll agree on everything but boss fights imo demon souls is MUCH better. boses were overall okay in dark souls. that being said dark souls 1 actually had a final boss that was worthy of being called a final boss.but I do understand what from was trying to tell us in demon souls.
Fallen king allant to this day is still the best boss fight in any of the souls games. this isn't even up for negotiation.
>>334677784
>>334676154
Post the DLC with the Sif scene were he gets real fucking sad about having to fight you is what got everyone.
Side note: I legitimately pity you guys for not knowing the unconditonal love of a dog
>>334684675
Wouldn't you be completely safe in the nexus, since it's not even on the same plane of existence?
>>334682525
that would go against everything her story means.
>>334684786
the world ends. that's the problem. what most of the people in the nexus want is for the world to be saved. it's a very sobering place.
>>334675751
I thought this was pretty good. He was basically super Garl in both looks and role.
Still protecting the king after all this time, even if he knows the king is now just a stupid hollow that can't turn back. Velstadt itself isn't a mindless puppet either, seeing as he isn't even hollow himself. You basically have to kill one of the few who managed to defy the curse of the undead through sheer willpower.
>>334684776
The main reason why i did find demon's souls bosses disappointing was the large number of gimmicks. Those that didn't rely on any were fine.
>tfw i had Allant glitch out because he dashed up the stairs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOAAg1hyV44
>>334684782
>Sif scene were he gets real fucking sad about having to fight you is what got everyone.
And why would he even fight you this time around? You saved him from the abyss itself, killed Artorias and Manus.
>>334685159
yeah they are more gimmicky, but that's part of the charm. and the ones that were not gimmicky were some of the best of the series.
if from where to bring back fallen king allant in Dark souls 3 as a boss in the DLC I would go fucking nuts. I loved valstad in 2 becuese he was a call back to garl Vinland, and at the same time the fight felt fresh and fun.
Soul of Cinder easily meets it in terms of emotional impact.
>Tfw your Dark Souls 1 character was a Dex Pyromancer
>Tfw he used a Scimitar and a Murakumo
>>334676154
Not much the dog part that bothered me, More the fact that he started limping and showing actual fucking weakness once he got low health, Something no other boss did, Usually they had a Phase 2 or throw in some new attacks, But Sif started fumbling its attacks, Losing balance during his spin and can barelly jump properly.
I still killed it but not having sympathy for something like that just makes you kind of a dull guy.
