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Does the Doom singleplayer have a chance of being good?
>Carmack worked on Snapmap
>SP confirmed non linear but it sounds like "big area fights" have to be completed so you can proceed
>MP is outsourced to ex-Bungie guys so it's shit
>>334600904
It can't be worse than Doom3, right?
>>334600904
Well if the gameplay is still the same as the MP it can't be better than average. Doom guy still moves slow as shit with take-down executions, that will more than likely still be true in the SP.
>>334601318
>Well if the gameplay is still the same as the MP it can't be better than average.
This. No idea idea why people have any hopes for the single player mode
>>334601318
You can unlock "perks" to speed up the edgy kill animations and speed up your doomguy. Should've just sped them both up from the start desu
>>334600904
Not really, no. Snapmap is just a convenient map maker. None of the actual game looks good, so who gives a shit if you can walk through a 90's fps layout map, a hallway or anything in-between.
Even if you seriously like mapsnap, its not like you can seriously make an entire map from scratch. You're just slapping cookie cutter parts together.
Why are they even making this? It's been, what, 12 years since Doom3. Was there anyone asking for another Doom game?
>>334600904
>MP is outsourced to ex-Bungie guys so it's shit
18+
Leaked SnapMap info.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Doomleaks/comments/4ecp8z/some_snapmap_info/
Mild story spoilers.
>>334601848
Have you fucking seen the beta? It's Halo's multiplayer, which only someone who was a tween in 2003 would look back on fondly.
>>334601975
>DLC for snapmap
out
>>334601748
Doom had a bit of a resurgence in popularity in the past few years and they're just capitalizing on it.
For better or worse, Brutal Doom brought a lot of attention back from mainstreamers. That's probably the biggest reason why doomers hate it so much. That and it sucks.
>>334602091
It's all free.
Only paid DLC is for multiplayer.
>>334601848
You tell me having shitty ass air control, useless fucking "perk" modules, loadouts that make half the weapons useless and a movement speed lower than the rise of the triad reboot is their idea of good multiplayer.
>>334601848
Speak for yourself, Halo was always shit.
>>334602163
It's funny how the worst part of the game has the paid DLC. Bethesda were really banking on the multiplayer getting big, but now that it's kinda flopping it's hilarious.
>>334601848
>implying the Doom Beta is good
Carmack hasn't been relevant in 2 decades.
No one cares what has his name on it.
It also shows how big his ego is to say that.
"LOL GUYS I WORKED ON THIS BEFORE I LEFT JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHAT NO IM NOT DESPERATE FOR ATTENTION OR RECOGNITION OR ANYTHING IM DOING GREAT AT WHERE I AM NOW SERIOUSLY, LOL ANYWAY GOOD JOB ITS PROBABLY WAY DIFFERENT NOW AND NOT AS GOO-I MEAN ITS PROBABLY DIFFERENT IN A...GOOD...WAY I GUESS YEAH HAHA OKAY SEE YA GUYS IM JOHN CARMACK REMEMBER ME HAHA DOOM GUYS"
Fuck off.
Doomgirl when? gtfo sexist shitlords
>>334602691
depicting women getting their heads ripped off by other players and demons would be sexist.
![1460819961588[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/SHCXI33.png "1460819961588[1].png")
>>334602546
Why would he be desperate, he is highly ranked in Facebook and his hobby of sending rockets to space is going well.
>>334602854
Ask him, not me.
But it's clearly a post to remind people of his name and to remind people he worked on something involved with this game.
And that's all.
Just looking for dick suckers.
>>334603306
You are too bitter and cynical. I think he is just making a comment regarding current events.
People do that on twitter.
Doom 4 isn't slow.
Played the beta and it feels a lot like Halo, but faster. In fact, i guess this is the fastest FPS in the market right now.
I don't know what the fuck you are talking about it being slow.
>>334604902
Read >>334602202 it's more than that.
>>334600904
unless the actual gameplay (guns, physics, etc) is different in the singleplayer, it won't be good. the whole feel of the game is just off
>>334602546
someone is really jealous of carmack, his programming abilities, his millions of dollars, his intense fame, his space rockets and his virtual reality headsets. it's OK anon. you shitpost on /v/, that's basically as good as everything he does
>>334600904
why do devs like to make Infinite Acceleration and Infinite Friction worlds?
seriously, why do games from 1993 have more advanced physics than fucking modern games?
interesting physics is what makes games good. don't these idiots know that?
Also, everything about it is designed for inferior thumbsticks why have control inputs literally degraded since the arcade days? What happened to all my cool analog inputs that are better than shitty thumbsticks?
>>334605049
Weapon loadouts are a terrible idea for doom.
>>334601848
>halo is now considered good
>someone who likes halo is now accusing others of being underage
Is this what being old feels like?
>>334605925
Pretty much, except you're not even old.
>>334605828
As well as the rest of the shit mentioned in that post. What is the people the multiplayer mode attracting to? Damn near every single gameplay feature is either halfassed, changed into something worse or non existant where it would benefit.
Any eurofag up for beta on ps4?
>>334606331
long time halo fans.
literally everyone I know that enjoys it played halo games exclusively.
somebody actually said it's the only thing keeping them gaming.
>>334601848
I liked Halo 1-3 and you are retarded if you think DOOM should play anything like it.
>>334601535
Perks? Fuck, I hated that in TNO.
so pc finally gets a good looking halo?
>>334602546
>triggered
>>334601848
>likes halo
>tells others the board is 18+
Here's step 1 of fixing Doom's MP.
1 demon rune per game.
Start with assault rifle and/or shotgun since there's apparently no pistol. Everything else is on map pickups.
Plasma rifle does less damage than AR normally but bonus damage against armor.
Rocket launcher is a 1 hit kill on body shots or the immediate area.
Super shotty deals 120 damage at point blank.
Everyone has perma haste.
Increase map size this game is claustrophobic.
Remove double jumping and just make regular jumping not pathetic.
Its still slow as fuck, with ,from the trailers, awful map design and slow as fuck animations. Not to mention it comes out in a MONTH.
Doom is Doomed
>>334607314
That would require Doom to NOT pander to the Cawadood audience, which you know, we can't fucking have that now can we?
I've been using the Static Cannon and the Plasma Rifle, what does everyone think about the weapons, which ones are the best/worst?
>>334608791
Plasma rife=weaponfu
>>334600904
I actually enjoy the doom beta real good quake feeling.
>>334600904
Why is everyone wanting this to be an arena shooter when Doom was not an arena shooter? Doom was just mindless killing with super shotgun and rocket spam. There was no advance movement techniques and spawn-killing was a legit strategy.
You are thinking of Quake if you want skillful arena matches.
>>334609540
BTFO
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>>334607521
the thing is that people miss is that this isn't even a good cod/halo rip-off. it tries to do the same things but fail horribly at the most basic level. it's insulting to cod to call d44m cod-like.
>>334600904
>>MP is outsourced to ex-Bungie guys so it's shit
Its not shit, its "almost great but not really"
its small shit that drags it down, like the piss poor weapon balance or the demon runes being too strong, or those hack modules breaking the game with wall hacks
but the base game is great in concept
also my problem with this is that it basically means we only saw 7 minutes of the game id made and the footage is over a year old, the e3 footage was shown half a year earlier to press
so we have no clue how single player even looks now and we are a month for realease
>Id
>not id
what the fuck carmack
>Carmack worked on Snapmap
That's a technology, not an actual in-game content.
You remind me of retards who thought that RAGE was going to be good just because Carmack worked on the engine.
>>334604902
It sure is slow when you play it back to back with original Doom.
>>334609968
pretty much
carmack knows shit all about game design, hes a programmer
his quoted comparison of porn to games shows how completely clueless and incompetent he is about the industry he works in
i dont have much respect for him, he isnt a gamer yet its what he made his fortune on, patehthic
mp was fine, only real problem was that the weapons were imba
>>334610268
>his quoted comparison of porn to games shows how completely clueless and incompetent he is
That quote was spot-on, though.
The important part is still "soon">shraing
The last thing Carmack put out was RAGE
I have n o faith
>>334601848
the most ironic post that will ever exist in our universe or any other
if electricity came from irony, this post could power the universe for the remainder of existence
>>334609968
i'm still convinced rage was just made as a big joke because i mean, come on, it's a fucking racing game with an fps bolted on that took nearly a decade to make. by the early 2000s carmack obviously didn't give a shit about making games and just wanted to make cool boundary pushing graphics/engine shit i.e. megatextures in rage, all the lighting etc in doom 3 and the game bit was just a pretence to do that. and when it became apparent that there wasn't any new cool shit to do he started doing rocket science at work
>>334610381
Which is why all games with a story failed horribly, just like 99.9% of all porn even ditches the "story" nowadays, right?
>>334611026
But he didn't say that games with stories should fail, just that story is not too important. Doesn't mean that it shouldn't be there at all
>>334610381
was it?
best selling games are narrative driven
ever since half life 1 came out it revolutionized story telling in fps games as someone finally realized that immersion can be done not by worthless text dumps before and after level but by environmental exposition
audio logs and other non intrusive methods of progressing the plot or fleshing out the world are a great way to fill out down time and help you rest before encounters without making empty pointless corridors or sending you on backtrack and key searching missions
similarly how you can play a game without sound and still have fun, you can play oen without a story and have fun, but when you include both the experience becomes better and much more immersive
Carmakc is clueless about that, and plain up just dosnt play games
It would be like a camera operator who dosnt watch movies, he just has no clue what modern games require to success, this is why he left teh industry
while id become more and more irrelevant due to him and Tim Willits being completely out of touch with the rest of the industry
doom 4 i the first game made in 15 years at id by people who actually play game, since rage was fucking shit and doom 3 failed to ever reach its potential and felt like an unfinished tech demo
porn is not games, porn is a passive experience while games are interactive, comparing both is pointless
>>334610763
Le forgetting picture maymay
>>334604902
>In fact, i guess this is the fastest FPS in the market right now.
Holy fucking shit you fucking faggot please fucking PLEASE drink bleach.
Play Unreal Tournament 4 you shitlord. I played them yesterday, UT4 after the Doom Beta, and Doom sucks a lot of donkey cock. It's fucking awful.
Fuck I'm triggered.
>>334604902
Q-quake live is still on the market (it actually costs 10 bucks now)
>>334611283
this is ironic because doom 3 had novel tech that made an interesting and fresh game. it wasn't good, mind you, but it tried to do something and some parts of it were cool.
while half-life 2 was a cinematic asset tour with dumbed down gameplay with the only 'novel' addition being the pathetic physics puzzle see-saws that became stale after the other encounter.
>>334600904
aside from the melee combat the single player might be good
>>334612212
Doom 3 even had good physic algorithms, but there werent used for anything within the game
Tim Willits once again failed as a agem designer having no fucking clue how to use the new tech he was given
remember the in engine interactive computer panels? and how they also werent used for shit other than opening doors?
the new texture blending that was only used for monsters disappearing?
all this new tech wasted on visual shit with 0 gameplay impact
Tim Willits is just a fucking retard who never plays games and has no clue what games can do.
And while hl2 wasnt that great, at lest their used their havoc engine to its fullest and the new engine to make larger levels and add vehicles and traps, turrets, garvity gun and other shit that impacted gameplay
>>334613243
yeah no doubt willits is a fucking mong who hasn't ever had an original thought in his bald little head
>>334602095
>>334601748
Seriously? It was on the books since Doom 3. Like, back in 2006 or so when Rage was announced, they said they'd develop Rage and THEN the next Doom installment. It's been in development hell since some time leading up to the release of Rage. Anyone who kept paying attention to id at all after Doom 3 was expecting another Doom installment.
>>334613243
>>334613427
Reminder that Willits wouldn't recognize a revenant even if it shot him with rockets until he died, or an archvile even if it set him on fire until he died.
https://youtu.be/_2gQQUjx3j8?t=104
>>334601318
the guns are peashooters. I don;t see how SP can be fun going from there
>>334613631
By assuming that they don't have the same stats in singleplayer as in multiplayer, especially since you can "mod guns" in singleplayer.
>>334607314
The pistol was seen in a gameinformer screenshot
>>334601086
yes it can. At least Doom3 got the atmosphere right. Based and what we've seen in the MP beta I have serious doubts they'll even pull that off.
>>334609715
>MP developed by the company that made both the worst CoD Multiplayer and the worst Halo multiplayer ("respecctively" Ghosts and MCC)
>Expecting something decent
If you outsource something to a handicapped retard, you can't really expect him to deliver a masterpiece.
>>334613584
>>334613427
thank good hes not lead designer on doom 4
it actually has a chance to not suck dick in single player
>>334600904
it's going to be shit
>>334602546
So this is what new millenials actually believe
>>334613968
he's just their manager and producer. "id" is not id that made doom, quake, or even doom 3. the only people who decided to stay on that sinking ship were the top management with cushy jobs
anyone got the latest "so you wanna play some motherfucking doom" image
>>334600904
>SP confirmed non linear
source
>>334613243
>remember the in engine interactive computer panels? and how they also werent used for shit other than opening doors?
Fuck, those would have been so good for something much different like an espionage or Deus Ex like game.
>>334611494
>One maybe half-full match every 3 hours compared to a full lobby in <2 minutes
Gee I wonder why nobody's playing this????
>>334613552
Let's be thankful they're at least trying. They scrapped what they had before altogether to make what it is now to bring back the older Playstyle. Before it was linear and took place in a city that demon were devouring from a hell portal or something
>>334614920
they basically means its going to be bioshock 2 where theres fucking hubs you have to play wave defense in
>>334614995
>Fuck, those would have been so good for something much different like an espionage or Deus Ex like game.
they would be good for simple puzzles and exploration
imagine having those large semi open labyrinth like levels like in old doom where you use those large interactive maps to unlock more and navigate it
it would replace the old keys and switches with a more modern take and allow for plenty of secret areas
but hey, that would take some imagination to make
>Even S'Arais the guy who shilled Evolve harder than somebody who gets paid to do it hates the new Doom
how do you fuck up that badly neo-id?
>>334617456
>Breaking news! Bandwagoner hops on bandwagon!
>>334617521
>Bandwagoner
>shilled Evolve even when people were shitting on it just like D44M
okay anon
>>334617456
dunno, i almost liked it
biggest problem is how limited the "beta" was
the demo should have at lest 50% of the gameplay content to make a good impression but limited map roster
another was the overall balance that stems from the decision to spawn with weapons, overall a lot of bad decision that ruin what could be a good game since i really like the engine, the feel of play and the damage numbers as much as casual they are
>>334607024
There were perks in TNO?
>double jump doesn't change midair direction
>>334606775
Nigger what? I fucking played both the halo trilogy and the doom series to know what you said is bullshit. Both halves are horribly modified and barely taped together into this shitshow which has jack shit for benefits and all of the negatives.
Holy crap, Quake fans are mad as shit. This game fits Doom multiplayer quite well in my opinion. Doom was never an arena game and was not tactical in play. You just have a gun and shoot people with it over and over again until you win. Adding weapons that you actually have to aim with and taking out spawn-killing is good.
I honestly thought the Doom-Quake fan wars were over but it's clear I was mistaken.
Just wait Quake fans, you will get a Quake V someday. Until then, get previous Quake games to former glory and play them.
>I've actually seen someone speculating that all the negative criticism surrounding this game is because it's different from mainstream shooters so people hate it
>>334618949
Hey dumbass read >>334609715 and >>334602202
Don't be a stupid faggot.
>>334619350
The weapons are not useless, sounds like some people are shit and need instant-killing rockets and super-shotgun spam to win (the only useless weapon after testing all of them is the heavy machine gun as the damage is too low).
The movement speed is faster than Halo and COD (where are people getting the notion that Halo and COD is faster, I have played both of series and in no way are they even close).
The air control is fine but I agree with hack modules, they should remove them.
Laslty, look at this footage, it's not sped up, this the game's speed and people are saying that COD and Halo are faster than this? Are they meming or just insane?
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/BluePineapple72/video/16659464
>>334602260
>relying on steam reviews
You do understand most of the reviews there are more then likely either someone with multiple accounts or other people just trying to fit in with whats "popular to hate on",unfortunately this how the consumer base of FPS' has become because of so many stagnant FPS' before this reboot and such.
>>334614920
gameinformer marty stratton interview
Do you not take any health damage if you have armor?
>>334600904
>Multiplayer is mediocre
>This has no effect on the single player
I wish they hadn't released the beta, if the single player and snap map are amazing and people still shit on the game for the multiplayer I will be sad.
>>334600904
So what's wrong with the game? I played it yesterday with a friend of mine and it all felt pretty good, felt a lot like a modern quake.
I have a pretty good feeling about it.
>>334610381
Yeah, in the mid-90's when that quote was uttered
>>334622618
It's basically a mix of quake 3 arena with some elements of halo reach-halo 5,but yeah it's overall a pretty fun game as far multiplayer goes so far,those i wont deny some of the weapons need to be better balanced,honestly the plasma rifle and the heavy rifle basically feel very weak and same to a point with the rockets speed needs to be seriously increased,fucking rockets feel like the move as slow you can move.
>>334602256
They were setting themselves up to fail if that was their plan.
Paid multiplayer DLC just fragments the playerbase and kills the community. The only reason CoD get away with it is because they can bank on a legion of retards who buy their games and all DLC as a reflex action.
>>334623402
>heavy rifle
I've actually been kicking ass with it in my last several matches; it works pretty well if you have good tracking ability, but it's pretty strict with what range you should be at. If they buff it, great for me
>>334601848
The team specifically worked on the Master Chief Collection MP, which even Halofags say is/was broken for fucking ever.
>>334623402
The Plasma Rifle is great, it's just that the shot lead makes it difficult.
>>334602095
>and it sucks
Must be so nice being a spite fulled contrarian cunt about literally everything. Brutal is a fine mod despite the idiots that worship it.
>>334621504
Holy shit anon read the fucking posts again. half of what you said isn't even what they're talking about. You are willfully looking for something that isn't even there.
Also bullshit the air control is fine, It's laughable when using a second jump slows you air momentum to a crawl that you end up falling as if a sheboon landed on your head, and don't give me the excuse it's for controller balance when you can dodge jump in unreal championship for the original xbox.
>>334623891
I think it works great if you're scoped in,then yeah sure you could probably get a few kills with it,otherwise it's been kind of a pain in the ass for me.
>>334624074
>shot lead makes it difficult.
Explain? Im not quite sure i understand what that means per say,but i know for me trying to get a kill with it,it just seemed like there was very little impact in any of my shots.
>>334602546
>Carmack
>hasn't been relevant in 2 decades
In game design maybe, and he never was anyways.But you're a fucking idiot if you don't think his coding ability hasn't been relevant up till now.
>>334624401
The projectiles are incredibly slow, so it's difficult to land shots at anything but point blank.
The secondary fire is a lot of fun, too.
>>334624401
I rarely use the scope. When I'm fighting at long range I do use it, but the spread makes it a pain in the ass so I usually don't really bother with the heavy AR at long range
>>334604902
>i guess this is the fastest FPS in the market right now.
>fucking tribes is still being played
It's gonna be duke nukem all over again
>>334624514
Ah okay,i'll admit that yeah that the shots on the plasma rifle feel way to god damn slow hit shit outside of point blank,hell the secondary shot feels powerful,but the way it travels and the range is so garbage.
>>334624605
Huh,see personally i use the god damn thing like a scoped M60 and it seems to work great for me,but yeah the spread can be slightly irritating when used with hip fire,at least IMO.
The only problem I had with the multiplayer is that the weapon balance is completely out of whack. I think I've only been killed by rocket launchers and assault rifles less than ten times across every game I've played, they just cannot compete with everything else. The lightning gun is also pretty weak but it seems to do a decent job if the player can keep it on target.
And it actually is pretty fast. Anyone comparing the fastness to Halo clearly hasn't actually played Halo because it's sure as hell slower than the Doom beta.
>t.Halofag who played the shit out of every game up to 4
>>334611494
>UT 4
>pre-alpha
>fastest FPS in the market
>pre-alpha
>pre-alpha
>pre-alpha
Call me when it's done and on Steam so people actually know it exists and there's actual populated servers.
>>334616502
>bring back the older Playstyle
uh
FPS the genre is so passe
>>334601086
if you like Halo, it wont
>>334625773
Quite frankly, I've transcended this kind of game.
>>334625624
>listing Steam as if it's a positive thing
>itt kids angry about a game when they weren't even a though when the original released
I thought old fags were bad but you faggots born in the mid to late 90's really should kill yourselves.
>>334607314
>Rocket launcher is a 1 hit kill on body shots or the immediate area.
Holy fuck no, if you have problems landing body shots with it that is entirely your fault.
>>334626551
>fighting someone
>not having a boner
why the fuck even fight in the first place.
>>334602260
Someone post the picture of all the reviews from weebs and furries.
>>334602546
Literally just won a BAFTA you fucking twat.
>>334604902
>the fastest FPS in the market right now
Even BLOPS3 is faster than this piece of shit
>>334603306
But Carmack never supported emotion.
