What went wrong?
>>334530665
People with little sense were fleeced of their money
The game isn't out yet.
took too long to release
Ask this question in 2018
>>334530665
EA could learn a thing or two from them. Why release your game when you can make far more by selling content for vaporware.
>>334530665
Has anything happened with this since the first 'open world' update?
>>334531009
>vaporware
/mu/ is that way you fucking hipster
>>334530665
Absolutely nothing, the "game" is probably one of the greatest scams in history of mankind. A marketing case that should be used in textbooks, Roberts made history.
>>334531167
Derek pls go and stay go
>People were talking about the system requirements needed to run this
>By the time it actually releases in 2020 it'll be outdated
>>334531130
Lurk moar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6mMl5A79Q
Its a giant scam ment to steal money from dumb fourm dads
>>334531403
I'm not Derek and I don't know Derek, but I assume he's from Giant Bomb. Even if the game is real, even if it will be out before 2100, even if it will be actually good, it would still be a scam of the decade at the very least: selling virtual ships for thousands of dollars without even being able to use them. This is beyond Wargaming that sell tanks for the price of AAA game, this is beyond Chinese pre-order scams that sell exclusive weapons, this is even beyond Entropia Universe sales. Absolutely fantastic idea, brilliant marketing execution and PR.
Roberts is a well known fraud and people still gave him money
>>334530665
The thing is that nothing went at all.
>>334531936
did you buy a 1000 dollar ship? if you did you are a fucktard and deserve your butthurt. If you didnt, then it literally doesnt matter. They didnt force you to buy anything
>>334532257
>butthurt
What butthurt?
>then it literally doesnt matter
To you, maybe, but I'm genuinely amazed by the thing Robert makes. Of course I didn't buy shit, what am I, an idiot?
> They didnt force you to buy anything
That's the point, they didn't force shit, yet they have over $100 mil. Do you even understand how many drones he have created based on absolutely nothing, but promises? The game had over 50 mil before even hangar was released. Someone at RSI is a pure genius.
what? you dont like companies taking your money and then doing aboslutely nothing with it??? WHAT ARE YOU ENTITLED? FUCK YOU! WE DONT NEED YOU! GAMERS ARENT YOUR AUDIENCE DEVS U HEAR US?? GAMERS ARE DEAD!!!!
>>334532821
What happened was that space sims used to be very popular and then publishers decided to not fund any space sims anymore. Their was demand and Roberts is filling it along with several other companies.
>>334533120
Only Roberts truly succeeded in it. Elite has to be an actual product to make money, while Star Citizen is a bunch of tech demos, proofs of concepts, blog posts and some trailers. There's no product yet, not even on early DayZ level.
>>334531936
dumb animeposter
>>334530858
Fuck off with this meme
>>334533454
Why did you have to remind me Elite exists?
I have like 300 mil sitting in an account and no desire to play.
There's literally no reason to have anything but an ASP Explorer.
There's literally nothing to do but grind.
More disappointing than Spore.
There.
I said it.
>>334533454
>>334533735
http://enemystarfighter.com/ This looks really good also it's single player only I think
>>334533735
How do you guys find trading in Elite fun? The goods are nothing but numbers and has no impact in the ingame universe.
I find it amazing how many people think that pew pew pew world war 1 in space combat represents a good gameplay model.
And then there's people who look at Battlefield Gothic and say 'damn, that's exactly what I want: slow ass battleships moving parallel to one another!'
>>334534227
Nothing has any impact on the in-game universe.
Everything is reduced to credits and I can reliably make 10mil/trip smuggling in an ASP.
It isn't fun, it's just the least monotonous way of making creds which is all there is to do in this game.
>>334533694
Are you implying that spore, SC2, D3 and TF2 didn't take too long to release? Cause they are pretty much the only ones ahead of star citizen in that graph
>>334533515
I'm not amazed at the game or the quality of it, I really don't care if it will be out or not. I'm amazed at the fact that he sells VIRTUAL SHIPS for real money. VIRTUAL SHIPS that you CANNOT EVEN USE for millions of dollars. There's nothing new in selling virtual items in MMOs, but at the very least they are priced so hard because of exclusivity/usability in game. Virtual estates for thousands of dollars? Sure, your virtual avatar can stand in it. Epic gear? You can equip it. You can't do shit with most of the ships in Star Citizen though. And the ones that are usable are not even exclusive to you. You, allegedly, can get them just by playing the game. You think Apple is overpriced? This is the true meaning of overpriced. And that's not even the brilliance of it. How many estates can you sell for thousands of dollars? Probably not many. While Roberts gained over 100 in US fucking dollars just on the ships, some of which didn't even have models when they were sold. Shit is absolutely mental.
>>334534721
I'm implying that they're still on track for having comparable development cycles to games that are significantly smaller in scale.
>>334534721
holy shit you are stupid anon
>Giving a company 112 million dollars
>Before it has made the product
>>334534905
100 million, excuse me
>>334534905
But you can use them, unless you're talking about concept ships.
I've flown the ships I bought.
>>334534987
>letting the EAs and Ubisofts of the world to be the only 100 million dollar projects
It all has to come from somewhere anon, and I'd rather it come from people like me because when it comes from them, they try to appeal to everyone like Battlefront.
>>334534987
>not wanting a 140 million space sim
>>334534721
Graphs can be pretty tough to follow, huh?
>>334531991
This keeps happening. The Chris Roberts of flight sims (Ilya "Luthier" Shevchenko) kickstarted DCS WW2 and the exact same thing happened. Product is multiple years late and kickstarter backers will only receive about 30% of what they originally paid for - if they want the other content they have to buy it again at triple the original price.
>>334535206
He had gained tens of millions before he released the dog fighting module. Hell, he gained the necessary sum before even the Hangar module, People backed him up purely because of models and promises. That's the shit that makes me think that the dude is a marketing genius
>>334535508
His wife is a marketing genius
>>334535206
>implying Star Citizen won't be casualized to sell more
>implying Star Citizen won't be unbalanced as fuck because $5000 backer ships will be OP and take 5000 hours to grind for
>>334535454
DCS happened because they didn't have enough money to develop what was promised. All signs point to Star Citizen launching with what is promised, maybe a couple systems missing but those can be patched in.
>>334535508
Am I supposed to condemn him for that? People paid for a crowdfunding project and continued paying throughout development. This isn't anything new.
>>334535760
>Am I supposed to condemn him for that
No, as I've said in my first post the dude is making history. Shit is still a scam though, purely because virtual ships that you, allegedly, can easily acquire in game should never cost that much.
>>334535716
What are the $5000 ships? The most expensive one is the engineering ship at $375 unless you're talking about capital ships that are owned by the Goons and shit.
You really think a personal ship should be as powerful as a capital ship? You're comparing a tie fighter to a star destroyer.
>>334535885
Whatever, I'll let the whales take the hit for the sake of giving me a better game. I'm happy with that business model.
>>334535760
Eagle Dynamics has more than enough money to develop DCS WW2. They still are developing it.
Stinking Russians pretended Eagle Dynamics was part of the kickstarter so people would back it, but when the kickstarter only netted $150.000 they let Ilya's company go bankrupt and then denied all involvement in the project so they could take over the assets and employees without having to give the backers what they were promised.
It's a pretty obvious scam, but nobody is suing because suing Russians is pointless.
>>334535989
>Remember: we are offering these pledge ships to help fund Star Citizen’s development. The goal is to make additional ships available that give players a different experience rather than a particular advantage when the persistent universe launches. Ship types sold during limited sales will be available to earn in the finished game.
I like this.
Is Star Citizen Alpha worth playing yet?
I remember downloading the Hangar module and it was just a ship that you could stare at.
Can I actually fly around yet?
>Dev famous for not delivering Freelancer
>Left game industry for 10 years
>Promises to make Freelancer sequel but 100 times bigger
>Doesn't actually have a dev team yet
>People actually give him money
>>334536798
Yes you can. It's a free fly week so you can play the game without paying, you just need an account.
If you want you can add me on steam or something because there are a few things you gotta know and the flight itself whilst VERY good and fun requires you to use some features that aren't obvious.
>>334536914
And fast forward three years, he's delivering. You're a faggot.
>>334537259
2% of a game
>>334537442
All the mechanics are there though. Multicrew is a thing, fps fighting is working, physics based flight is working and is both fun and challenging. Space travel is working, seamless transitions from flight to fps is working fine too.
>>334537442
It's clear you're an armchair game designer. It's a modular design showcasing the core mechanics at play, and so far they've shown dynamic multiplayer, persistence, seamless transitions to different sectors of the universe, multiple gravity settings in the same structure, on foot gameplay with simulated EVA physics, seamless planet to space transitions, not to mention the flight model which also has multicrew.
Naysayers again?
*sighs*
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3p5l75/star_citizen_misconceptions_and_rebuttals_guide/
>>334537442
They're developing new technologies that literally no other engine on the planet supports out of the box. To do what they do, I'd have to dig into the source code of CryEngine and modify tons to do what they're doing.
You see "oh it's an area that you can run around", I see TECHNOLOGY
>>334537917
This is one time I'll approve linking to reddit. They're able to have decent structured discussion without MUH $500 SHIPS.
>>334533694
3/4s of that list are let downs though
>>334530807
and it never will be
>got the $32 dollar pack
>progress has been slow but steady
>persistant universe is functional
Seems worth it to me. Still a billion light years ahead of ED.
>>334538080
And how is that relevant to the development cycle of Star Citizen? I'm merely stating that even if they release in 2018, we're looking at less of a development cycle than generic MMO 1929299121928 where the goal is to collect 10 boar assholes
>>334531403
DEREK SMART
DEREK SMART
DEREK SMART
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIn1_9YvGds
>>334535892
So literally pay 2 win then?
>>334538252
This. I spent $30 and I'm happy. I've already gotten $30 worth of fun out of the persistent universe dicking around there.
>>334538339
>>>/SomethingAwful/
plz go
>>334531167
Go away Derek. Game is actually better than I though. Space dogfight is actually pretty decent and the FPS part seems alright, even if I suspect some aspect of it might be just gimmicky (zero-g fighting, for instance) and not fleshed out enough.
You don't have to spend thousand of buck to have fun. If you're dumb and/or rich enough, that's your problem.
>>334537569
And it all runs like shit and is buggy out the ass. Far from fine.
>>334538394
>not knowing who Derek Smart is
>not getting the context of the joke
newfag pls leave
>>334538456
Depends. The tutorial is borked and runs like shit.
The Universe bits run okayish. Arena Commander runs at 60 fps stable.
>>334538362
Are you implying that the Goons and various other factions in the game wouldn't have these kinds of ships day one even if they didn't buy them? Are you aware of the fact that the Goons have like 20,000 members?
>>334538362
They said the cash shop will be removed on release
We'll see
>>334530665
What are you talking about OP, its making great progress
https://youtu.be/v1D-RlNfKA8
>>334538479
I'm joking about the fact that the video you posted came from Something Awful back in like 2000
Jesus Christ I knew who Derek Smart was before you were swimming around in your father's ballsack
>>334538339
>PC gaming will never be so good that Derek Smart is the worst thing to riff on ever again
>>334538641
Actual video if someone is curious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpTOMNzIvmc
>>334534227
They fixed it so there is some small effect.
t. guy who does BGS ops for Hudson
>>334537917
>Creating things that weren´t there before, seems like the very definition of development. Also it is often impossible to know that something cannot actually be done until you try it
That whole thread is reeked of fanboyism.
You can do an impossible but to pull that you need either
1. A genius, like John fucking carmack level of genius
2. Or 10-20 years of development.
To be fair, I still think the game will come out fine. But goddamn these fanboy are ridiculing themselves.
>>334538902
The technology that CIG develops is pretty amazing
>>334538902
>those 3rd person animations
>>334535892
I might be off on my Star Wars lore, but I'm pretty sure that the tie fighter are generally inferior to the alliance fighters (x-wing, a-wing) because the empire bought the cheapest fighter possible because they don't value the life of their pilots. Meanwhile the alliance (or whatever fleets/planets they acquired their equipment from) is using the best fighters they can get.
more money spent on a fighter = better fighter.
>>334538902
damn
There's a good chance Derek Smart is lurking this thread
>>334538421
>Space dogfight is actually pretty decent and the FPS part seems alright
Not a scam, just star wars "nerd" people doing star wars "nerd" people things.
>>334539953
He always is
>>334539953
>tfw you tell Smart that he spent a 10th of the time he spent tweeting actually developing his game, LoD would probably be much better
>you have been blocked by @dsmart
>>334538902
>driven ragdoll
How existential. Also, I'm confused about what's going on with the gravity in this footage.
I will not pay into this. It reeks of the stink that is scamming.
>>334538542
who are these Goons you are talking about? Something Awful users?
>>334540154
Platforms have gravity generators built in. If you're not directly above them, you just obey newtonian physics and use your omnidirectional jetpack to maneuver.
>How existential.
If you don't understand how procedural animation transitions are impressive as fuck when they look that good, I don't think you know anything about animation.
>>334538902
I like it. One of the few things that bugs me at the moment is that the animation is god-tier but fuck me sideways if the transitions don't blend at all. Like when the guy gets up from ragdoll and then his gun snaps up. If they can smooth that out then my autism will be thoroughly satisfied
>>334539257
technology? what about that video shows you anything impressive. the jets arent even acurate. nothing new here. it may be impressive in console standards I guess.
>>334539953
He always appears whenever you say his name three times.
>>334538339
He is amongst us.
>>334540353
Don't worry, the devs are literally autistic when it comes to polish. They want EVERYTHING to be absolutely perfect. Animations looked like garbage 6 months ago and they just started processing all their mocap data.
>>334540269
Yep.
>>334540212
Don't then. Wait, there's more than enough of us to give you the opportunity.
>>334540298
The existential thing was just a joke about the name 'driven ragdoll.'
And thanks for explaining the platform gravity. I'm interested to see if they can flesh that out into good gameplay.
>>334533694
>Diabololo
>Shenmue 1994-2006
>>334540357
Show me another game that does a fraction of what SC does in a space sim
>>334540589
Oh sorry for that, then. The gameplay is already really good. Flight is super satisfying and has a super high skill ceiling. It's really just a matter of releasing more content and mechanics like mining, cargo etc. Some exciting stuff is expected for the next patch (2.4).
>>334540470
>Don't worry, the devs are literally autistic when it comes to polish. They want EVERYTHING to be absolutely perfect.
You should know that that's far from necessarily a good thing.
>>334540724
You were the first one to spot my troll image. Congratulations :^)
>>334540741
What's coming in 2.4?
>>334540850
Oh fuck this 2.4 update looks good, definitely the biggest release since the Persistent Universe update
http://www.redacted.tv/star-citizen-2-4-alpha-expectations-features/
>>334540757
When you have 112+ million USD and around 5 studios, I'm fairly sure it's not that bad.
>>334540850
Items, server side persistence (loadouts, ship damage, clothing), new ship (Reliant), removal of the godawful USE button and holotable, tons of exciting stuff because placeholder features are being scrapped.
http://www.redacted.tv/star-citizen-2-4-alpha-expectations-features/ if you wanna read about it
>>334540578
Hum, why would goons be such a force to be reckoned with? Do they often dominate online gaming?
>>334541103
Fucking awesome. This is where Star Citizen is really going to start showing what it will be a year down the line.
>>334540850
>You were the first one to spot my troll image.
Just going to point out all these fucks fell for it
>>334538256
>>334534961
>>334534967
>>334535443
Great fanbase though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blPpnnSOiwk
>>334541103
>When you have 112+ million USD and around 5 studios, I'm fairly sure it's not that bad.
You might want to rethink that. SC already started losing art directors
>>334541103
I'm just saying that if there is going to be one reason why this project falls short of expectations, it's going to be due to the leads getting too bogged down at every single step trying to make things perfect. I don't think Roberts' passion or raw talent is in question.
>>334541215
oh dfuck im dying that video
Star Citizen is a social experiment with the goal of determining how much real-currency costing imaginary garbage people will reasonably tolerate.
>>334541448
https://youtu.be/z93k-9TbVB0>>334541215
Did he really talk to Chris Roberts dressed up like that?
>>334541215
Is this a joke? Someone superimposed the furries over an actual interview, right?
It's name
>>334540737
just weird that you say technology when we've had this kind of stuff for years. Newtonian physics was in the original Wing Commanders.
>>334538524
>the tutorial is borked and runs like shit
>the tutorial is borked
>the tutorial runs like shit
>the tutorial
>tutorial
game play is with a fucking mouse if you want to play multiplayer. wtf man. this game should require a joystick like all the other games he made. immersion ruined.
>>334542478
I'll switch between joystick for flight and K/M for on foot gameplay.
>>334541921
Can't wait to hunt those faggots and destroy their shit
>>334541921
>>334540589
Its just switch between a ragdoll being driven by a jet back and the base model running around like normal.
When you are floating, you have controls and stuff to do a barrel roll, move up/down, etc. When you are on a platform you have normal FPS controls.
The video is just showing off how you can switch between these modes seamlessly.
>>334541921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmCeqhvs8Us
