So now that I have completed the entire series, its pretty clear to me that Bloodborne was the best game by a decent margin, followed by DS3 probably. For me it really outshined all the others in terms of story, visuals, and gameplay.
for me it was the dlc that distinguished BB from the rest of the series
>>334429908
Imo it's
BB>DS1>DeS=DS3>DS2
DS3 just tries to hard to be DS1 and has too many references at every corner while also reusing assets from older games and most bosses on DS3 are pretty bland or jsut slow version of BB bosses
DS3 = BB > DaS > DaS2 > DeS
>>334431221
>has too many references at every corner
sorta this
we didn't need another tower of latria style dungeon and honestlystormrulerwas stupid and ruined a boss
For me it's DS1=DS3> DeS>BB> DS2
Bloodborne was good, but I just prefer the medieval style of the Souls series.
ds1 > bb = ds3 > des >>ds2
blood borne was great but dark souls 1 had the best pvp by far, the best art, the best everything,
AotA>Old Hunters>DaS3>DaS>DeS>BB>DaS2
Bloodborne's main game content was garbage save a very small amount of good moments
The DLC is so much better than the main game though, it's ridiculous
>>334429908
DeS = BB > DS1 > DS3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS2
I haven't played BB's dlc yet, though so my opinion might be a little skewed
I agree. DS3 might have been better if weapon arts weren't outright worthless 90% if the time and half the bosses weren't one-dimensional. Not to mention pvp is somehow worse because invasions are always just 1v3s.
BB had its whole unique theme and atmosphere with extremely dynamic weapons and bosses. I can't see anyone legitimately preferring das3 for anything other than the characters.
>>334429908
2 > 3 > demons > bb > ds1
these ratings threads are coming in waaaaaaaaaaay too early. How can I compare a game I've spent 1000 hours in against one I've been playing for barely 30 hours? we haven't even scratched the surface of DS3.
>>334429908
Can you flat out spoil something for me regarding DkS3?
Does the Reject the Cycle ending from Scholar of the First Sin ever come into play storywise?
>>334431685
Nailed it.
>>334431685
>I haven't played BB's dlc
If you liked the base game the dlc is mandatory it's not some side story like the DS dlc it actually makes the story more fulfilling. You're gonna love every second of it
>>334431935
Because you can tell that it just tries to pander to DS1 fans and nothing more, the story is just the same shit, "same" NPCs, weapons with pretty much every NPC name from earlier games and level designs that are just bland versions of BB and DeS areas
>>334432194
sure thing buddy.
>>334432238
Sure thing buddy
>>334431943
There is no cycle because in DS3 there never was a age of darkness the flame was perpetually reignited until there were sufficiently strong souls which the world of DS3 doesn't apparently have anymore.
>>334429908
here is a you (you)
>>334429908
Bb is the worst for me. Didn't like the aesthetic, spin to win made it too easy, character creation and online play were a huge downgrade from ds2. Level design and bosses are no doubt better than ds2, but player options were gimped hard
>>334431590
DeS has much better PvP.
BB was playing through muddy disappointment that was always on the cusp of becoming so much more interesting
Nightmare of mensis and nightmare frontier were such shitty areas to end the game on, with shitty bosses as well
In fact, every boss after amelia is basically one long trail of disappointment, excluding ebrietas and gehrman, every area is more unrewarding and full of Bloodborne's less interesting encounter design
DS3 by comparison is full of interesting miniboss encounters and genuinely fun changes in scenery with large scale level design that is far ahead of any other game in the series
>Das3>das1>demons>BB>das2
They are that low because I had to play it with ps. I enjoyed everything more on pc.
the correct order OBJECTIVELY is
Dark souls 3 > Demon's Souls > Dark souls 1 > Dark souls 2
Bloodborne is not a souls game, stop pretending it is just because it has similar features, it's completely different in style of narrative, theme and overall direction, it doesn't follow any kind of formula from the souls series, if anything it's a massive downgrade of established and fully functional and working features of the souls series like equip load that is misteriously missing, it's a watered down edgy mediocre game for angsty teenagers and nothing more, they literally made it to get sony to help them make their next gen engine and funding, literal scraps of the infinitely more polished dark souls 3, pic related, THIS is a game with quality and thought put into it.
>>334432290
In other words, it never builds on that ending, right?
>>334432546
>genuinely fun changes in scenery
>ds3
You must be joking
>>334432616
>git gud
>doesn't even parry
>>334429908
(You)
>>334432546
>fun changes in scenery with large scale level design
literally the mentality of a child
The problem with DaS 3 is that it tries TOO hard to be DaS 1, i want something not new but fresh like BB
>>334432616
>those moves
God damn when shit like that happens
BB easily has the best gameplay, and is consistent in quality in almost every respect, as well as feeling refreshing.
DkS3 was a huge letdown and I wasn't surprised or curious even once, as they made no attempt to employ any mystery or intrigue.
>>334432645
No but there are weapons and armors that reference the ancient kingdom of Drang(no leic in there).
>>334429908
Ultimate thing with Souls games is that they are all flawed. Their flaws add to the charm, but they are still flaws nonetheless and a sign of the developers always experimenting and trying new things. Not everything works, but most of it does.
Bloodborne is by far the most solid entry in the series though. It has the least flaws and is the most realized of the games. The setting feels more coherent and it builds upon itself and the lore in extremely satisfying ways. The weapons and combat is the most polished too.
Objectively I think BB is most certainly the best game in the series, but I think all of the Souls games are near equal in the end of the day and each are a worthy installment to say the best.
It's really obvious when people critique a Souls game that they just have a favorite one and don't like all the ways the other ones deviate from it. Having played DaS2 recently for the first time, I had no real issues with it in the sense that I felt it was a worthy successor to the game. Almost all the complaints I see people mention about it can be summed up as "DaS1 did this and DaS2 does not."
In other words I argue
DeS = DaS 1 = DaS 2 = BB = DaS3
If I had to personally order them because a gun was to my head I would say
BB > DaS3 = DeS > DaS2 > DaS1
Sorry but the flaws of DaS1 stick out to me too much. So many areas just aren't fun and the master key feels mandatory to have any real control or fun in a playthrough.
>>334432716
>implying it was a parry
>>334432616
I love hitbox porn
>>334432616
>it doesn't follow any kind of formula from the souls series
>>334432981
>no comeback
glad you agree
>>334432616
>The equip load meme.
>"Working feature."
Kek.
>>334431221
>ds3 takes place in the same universe as ds1
>complains about the same shits between the two
How fucking dumb do you have to be?
>>334432951
muh dick
>>334432730
When the game is constantly tickling your balls with the eldritch mystery you can't help but grow excited for some weirdness to start happening, but it never does and after defeating rom your left with areas that feel like retreads of previous areas content and ideas, with a few new additions excluding cainhurst
Playing through BB on ng+ from start to finish is tear inducing, from the excessive boredom is causes
>>334432951
That iai strike relies on i-frames not hitbox detection.
>>334432616
If they would've called Bloodborne; Dark Souls or Beast Souls everyone would accept it as a souls game
Bloodborne just hit all the right notes for me, I fucking loved the setting, combat, art style, weaponry, bosses and then the eldritch twist made me cream my pants. I even fucking love FRC chalice dungeons. The DLC was just utterly godly as well.
Dark Souls 1 was my first, and was my favorite game ever for a period of time. It's very inspired and memorable, but honestly doesn't hold up that well these days. The last half isn't very good, and the combat feels really sluggish and easy now.
Demon's Souls is really convoluted and has a lot of weirdness going on, this could be seen as a positive by some but I did not like it. I fucking loved the atmosphere, NPCs, story, and weird bossfights, overall it's so different that it is hard for me to place.
Dark Souls 3 plays fantastically, it's gameplay is almost as good as Bloodborne's with much more variety. The level design is really good, and the fashion souls is by far the best we have ever seen, but the boss fights are largely kind of bland and unmemorable. I actually think this is probably the best PvP yet though.
I really don't think I need to mention my issues with DaS II because they are the same ones that have already been posted thousands of times.
BB>DaS3>DaS=DeS>>>DaS II
>That feel when BB is your favourite but it will forever remain on console
I just want good frame rates.
>>334433064
wat
>>334433128
>you can't help but grow excited for some weirdness to start happening
The game is weird enough without going full retard like other games with similar themes. It's done in a tasteful way similar to eternal darkness.
>>334433178
>gameplay is almost as good as Bloodborne's
>almost
its objectively better. Unless you like buttom mashing.
>complains about bland bosses
>on das3
>>334433427
>Shittier movesets.
>Possibly being better.
Kek.
>>334432070
Oh, fun stuff, anon, thanks, I'm looking forward to picking it up at some point. Good to know it's not some throwaway stuff
I like all of them, but Dark Souls 2 a little less
>>334432901
Nigger, Bloodborne is the most flawed. Shit build variety even if you include all the DLC weapons because Bloodtinge and Arcane are awful scaling stats.
>>334433427
You can literally demean every souls game with
>lol implying good combat
>straight sword R1: the game
it's my opinion but I'm sorry if it upset you.
>>334433327
It's really not similar to eternal darkness though
In that game it really pays off to see the three ending scenario, the huge underground city, it's payoff in terms of area design is much more interesting than what happens to yahargul as you view the areas over multiple timelines
Not to mention the sanity effects in eternal darkness being markedly more effectively tied to the gameplay than bloodborne's insight system, although that's deviating from the point
Eternal darkness is a much, much better lovecraft-inspired game anyway.
>>334431627
Where is scholar of the first sin?
>>334433648
>Bloodtinge has awful scaling.
>Bloodletter and Chikage easily some of the hardest hitting weapons in the game.
>>334433327
>Thought the eldrich stuff would only happen when you had enough insight and the game was gonna facade as Gothic horror to the end.
>They force it after rom
It was so close to being good too
>>334433427
>Unless you like buttom mashing.
what is this meme about bb being a button masher? You don't press buttons to attack in ds3 or maybe you forgot about the paired spin to win shit that was not present in bb but already infest pvp in ds3?
>>334433721
Bloodborne got Lovecraft way, way better than Eternal Darkness.
>>334433807
>plot literally is about human transcendence
>showing the failed result of said experiments is forcing a theme
m8 pls
>>334433648
Arcane is one of the best stats for scaling, I'd say skill is far worse. Arcane's problem isn't that it doesn't scale well, it's that it's hard to start a build with because you don't get any tools early.
While some tools soft cap at 50 arcane, things like a call beyond and tiny tontirus don't even soft cap until 70. When you add +flat arc blood gems it makes it more dynamic than any stat i can think of.
>>334432616
;-^ )
>>334433648
Sounds like you have no idea how to play if you think Bloodtinged or Arcane were bad. Both have huge damage. Early game Arcane is one of the strongest builds you can run and you don't even have hunter tools at that point.
The thing is build variety isn't the point of Bloodborne. It is much more an action game than the other Souls games. That's why it doesn't have Souls in its title and why it has basically no platforming.
In return the combat and weapon depth is far superior to other Souls games. Who cares if you don't have a lot of build variety when each weapon is unique and deep enough to do a whole playthrough with?
It's fine to not like that it doesn't have 200+ items like other Souls games, but don't act like that's a flaw with the game.
DMC3 also doesn't have a ton of build variety man what a piece of shit!
I like all of them, but i'm glad that this will most likely be the last one
And i hope they'll actually work on something different and not just a Souls reskin
>>334433815
People see a webm of BB and immediately critique the game as being mash happy, or they cheese the game with axe spin and pretend the other Souls games can't be cheesed way harder than BB.
>>334429908
I would agree with you but I haven't fully made up my mind on 3 yet.
+ theres DLC for it coming out, so that might just change everything.
>>334433648
>Bloodtinge and Arcane are awful scaling stats.
You're the guy from yesterday that claimed to have played the game but didn't even know about the chikage, right?
>>334434356
The fact that the DLC is part of a pre release announced Season Pass is a little bit of a let down, i hope it won't be stuff that was obviously cut
>>334434194
You don't even need tools to do well with arcane though. You just pick a weapon like saw spear and put some element gems on it and start completely wrecking the entire game.
>>334434356
3 with DLC will probably become everyone's favorite I imagine. The DLC only seems to be getting better with each game, though I thought the frozen DLC in 2 was complete shit but the other two were great.
In the long run I think the linear nature of 3 will hurt it. I can't really see myself replaying 3 much to try out new builds and weapons like one might in DaS1 or DeS.
>>334434449
Get ready for ancient serpents and abyss related stuff because that shit is so obviously cut from the game it hurts.
>>334433859
nah
Eternal darkness felt much more grounded in the human experience and how the characters in the game largely came out the scenarios, it's game structure and style simply works better with the lovecraft material, it also had better examples of multi-timeline and dimensional shit, making the player character feel weak (you never actually directly kill any of the "greater beings"), and it
While bloodborne had some more direct inspirations very clearly laid out in it's game design, and especially the DLC, I felt that the game design itself doesn't exactly lend well to subject matter through directly killing the greater beings, barring oedon, the horror and weirdness, nor the insanity/madness themes, which all felt very subdued in bloodborne
>>334434201
>DMC3 also doesn't have a ton of build variety man what a piece of shit!
Are you insane? DMC3 has 20x more build variety than bloodborne.
>six different styles
>5 guns and 5 weapons
>can only pick 1 style and two guns/weapons before each mission
Someone do the math but there's a fuckton of combinations.
>>334434664
>you never actually directly kill any of the "greater beings"
Have you even played ED? In the true ending you killed all three enemies of mantarok.
>>334434523
DaS3 isn't actually that linear, you can go kill the priestess in the high wall, the dancer, do Oceiros and the Untended Graves, kill Lothric and Lorian all before Vordt. The only strict linear progression is you have to defeat the Deacons and Abyss Watchers before you can get to Irithyll, but even those two can be done in any order really. And after that it's open again. You can head into the Profane Capital before fighting the Pontiff and save Aldrich for last. Or you can do Archdragon Peak before reaching the Profane Capital as well.
The only actual linear progression required is through the Road of Sacrifices, the rest is pretty well up to you. That's akin to Anor Londo splitting the game in half.
>>334434523
I would imagine that as well.
The main game is really, really fucking awesome. I just have some issues with game balance/enemy designs/overall usability of everything that its not my favorite yet.
I can't fucking wait for the DLC. If FROM continues their trend of making DLC absolutely mindblowing, everyone will be in on a real treat. The people who didn't play BBs DLC have no idea what kind of quality they can expect.
The linearity doesn't really bother me at all, the game progression in 3 is really good. Everyone likes boasting about DaS' many options at the start when the only sensible thing to do first is burg/parish because you're so blatantly underlevelled, that its ridiculously unfun to do any other area.
>>334434449
At least they admitted it this time, instead of going back on their word like with DaS2
>>334434842
no, the player character didn't
The greater beings killed themselves, through the Roivas's influence
It's not the same as literally going up to a giant god in their weird ass dimension and stabbing them in the foot a million times with a sword
>>334434664
>much more grounded in the human experience
>good for lovecraft
also, the ONLY actual great one you "kill" is the Moon Presence, directly before becoming a great one yourself.
>>334433815
It's people who have never played it assuming that because it is faster even though it's objectively less mashy than any other souls game due to far more aggressive enemies and bosses and total lack of poise.
>>334434991
So according to you using a summoning spell isn't the act of attack? The character used a gameplay mechanic to kill a old one. That's it no matter how you try to spin it. It was just a 2 levels higher summoning spell
>>334435105
More grounded in the sense that it gives a better and more in focus view of the various characters deterioration in their numerous plotlines
>>334434919
That's still linear. Killing the Dancer early is pointless and just lets you go to some optional areas that won't really do much for you in the long run. DaS1 and DeS are way less linear than DaS3.
>>334435105
You also have to mention that the hunter isn't truly human either as he's blood infused
>>334435348
fair enough but I still think that Bloodborne's world, general vibe, and overarching lore was much closer to actual Lovecraft and its subtleties.
>>334434195
>2 years old webms
how convenient for you to not have scholar of the first sin (patched) webms where the hitboxes are shit, how convenient indeed
>>334433063
>still no comeback
glad you agree with me, also take your "soulsborne" to the grave with you please, it's disgusting "borne" isn't even a series
>>334433178
>eldritch twist made me cream my pants
good job you are an ignorant fuck that gets impressed easily
I guess a videogame based around the bible would make you orgasm like a noun then
>>334434774
>BB.
>Way more guns and weapons.
>Runes.
>Gems.
>Stat allotments.
Based retardbro showing his math prowess.
>>334435458
the hunters are also imbued with a special power from the Moon Presence to kill the other great ones/beasts. In the cutscene in the beginning, the red bloody werewolf represents beasthood about to take you after the blood transfusion, and then the fire killing it and messengers overtaking you represent the MP choosing you as a hunter and saving you.
This, combined with using the umbilical cords and ascending is the ONLY reason we can kill Moon Presence, who is the only real great one encountered in the game. We might not have even killed him, cthulhu got rammed with the boat but just went back to sleep, Moon Presence probably isn't totally dead.
People who use the "but you KILL great ones!" argument have no idea what they are talking about.
>>334435745
The lack of equip load and attire is explained in the plot of BB.
>>334435894
yes the plot explains that a human can equip 3 giant weapons and still dance around like a butterfly yes yes of course
kill yourself
>>334435850
>who is the only real great one
fuck off with this meme already, the great ones in BB are not the HP lovecraft great ones, they can be killed
>>334435953
I guess the "plot" in Souls games explains why a fully armored fatman can do cartwheels, backflips and somersaults with ease too huh?
>>334433859
Yeah, ex-humans that can get killed by angry villagers can totally kill eldrich gods.:^)
So far
Das 1 > DaS3 = BB > DeS > DS2
I doubt any game will ever top DaS1 for me, but DS3 is still incredible.
>>334435481
In terms of aesthetics and more direct lovecraft tropes I would definitely agree with you, I just felt that as a game, Eternal Darkness makes much better use of these various elements towards it's overall game design, in a way that supersedes bloodborne's own application of it
Not that Bloodborne is a bad game mind, but rather that I felt it had so many opportunities to expand beyond it's scope into new territory and themes, I felt it was way too entrenched in the base yharnam/victorian ingredientss to blossom outwards, in a way which negatively affected both my enjoyment and interest. I also feel that as a Lovecraft/Eldritch game, Bloodborne is far too reliant on Souls elements to take advantage of the more eldritch things, I would have liked for it to disperse somewhat from that if Miyazaki is serious about exploring a similar route in the future.
Undeniable facts inbound:
Anybody who says DaS1 is the best is saying it because
1 - it was their first souls game
2 - they are nostalgiafags
>>334435481
if you think BB gets closer to lovecraft then you have no fucking clue what lovecraft is, only the DLC gets REMOTELY close to shadow over innsmouth, the rest has fucking NOTHING to do with ANYTHING lovecraft ever written, fucking die you and whoever ignorant fucks keeps perpetrating this downright insult to the genius of that writer and pairs it to the bullshit edgy crap of a fucking gook that reads 1 book and thinks he knows everything.
>>334436098
Yes, it is allowed by magic infused rings, there's actual gods in the world of dark souls but they all abyde the laws of phisics perfectly, even if you level up all your endurange you still can't fast roll with the heaviest shit unless you use magic rings, in BB everyone can ludge gigantic weapons and still hop around like bunnies because M-MUH COATS
>>334436039
Are you slow? That's exactly what I said, some of them ARE like Lovecraft great ones and MP is the only one we fight that is. People say it isn't lovecraftian because you kill great ones but they don't realize that rom, ebrietas, amygdala, etc aren't full great ones.
>>334435953
Yes it does. First you aren't a human, second you don't wear armor because beast claws shred it(cainhurst armor protects as much as leather) and third you'd better wearing porous clothing because it more easily soaks up in beast blood that heals you.
>>334436402
nice contrarian post, too bad you're wrong
>>334436576
>Lol ur wrong
ebin comeback u sure showed me errytiem ecksdee!
>>334436402
>magic infused rings
And the hunter is a superhuman blood-infused maniac
>there's actual gods in the world of dark souls but they all abyde the laws of phisics perfectly
I'm going to need a fucking gun to stop myself from laughing at this.
>even if you level up all your endurange you still can't fast roll with the heaviest shit unless you use magic rings
>M-MUH COATS
M-MUH MAGIC
>>334432616
nice webm sir
>>334432194
>A sequel to a game tries to pander to fans of said game
WOW got any more interesting scientific facts famicom?
>>334429908
>>334431221
>>334432831
I agree. So far Bloodborne impressed me much more than Darksouls 3. I was obsessed with Bloodborne. Darksouls 3 is good, but I'm not fascinated by it like I was playing Bloodborne. Everything about Bloodborne is fantastic.
>>334436426
>First you aren't a human
ayylmao
> you don't wear armor because beast claws shred it
yes so let's wear fur coats those will surely protect us more!
>hird you'd better wearing porous clothing because it more easily soaks up in beast blood that heals you.
LMAO epic headcannon famalam, Sony fan of the year!
>>334436628
at least you admit it
>>334436576
>shitposting
>>334436659
magic is an actual thing that bends stuff
coats are fabric
your opinion is invalidated, get BTFO famalam
>>334436719
sprolo ebin upboated and subscribed!
>>334436754
Did I disrupt your intellectual discussion?
Sorry m'lady
>>334436702
Nice arguments there if you actually played the game you'd know that being splashed in blood heals you - it's what cucks like you try to sell as health regen
![flat,800x800,075,f.u1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YS1htcC.jpg "flat,800x800,075,f.u1[1].jpg")
>>334436801
>magic is an actual thing that bends stuff
>>334436118
>ex-humans that can get killed by angry villagers
so Rom and likely Ebrietas?
>>334436801
Magic doesnt exist
WEEW LAD GOT 'IIIM
>>334436801
are you having a stroke?
>>334434919
Still far more linear than DaS2 where you could imediatelly head two separated ways and after the Dragon rider, go a third one as well, while also having 4 bosses to kill in any order to get to drangleic or just some farming while avoiding some areas. Me for example, the first time I played I didn't even kill the Rotten.
DaS3 is high wall - settlement - road of sacrifices no matter what
>>334436402
>M-MUH COATS
Pale blood.
>Bloodborne looks better than DS3 by a wide margin
I don't know if it's more due to the consistent style of the environments in BB or what but at times DS3 has DS2 levels of textures/backdrop environments while I never noticed anything so glaring in BB
>>334432546
>every boss after amelia
You thought Paarl, Logarius, Rom, One Reborn and Amygdala were bad? I mean Rom and One Reborn were pretty easy but they were at least memorable fights. Like One crawling out of that bleeding portal in the sky? Goddamn that shit was spectacular
BB with DLC > DS3 > Demon's Souls > Ds1 with DLC > BB > Ds1 without DLC > DS2 with DLC > SotFS > DS2 without DLC
>>334433648
>put elemental gem in weapon
>gains arcane scaling
>arcane has no purpose
????????
You can literally use every weapon in the game, the fuck are you on about?
I couldn't get into Bloodborne. All the edgy blood death gothic bullshit and monsters made of random piles diseased body parts got old fast.
> people still using year old shitposts to detract from Bloodborne
PC gamers, never change
>>334429908
I agree.
Bloodborne is literally, the perfect video game.
It's a great addition to the already stellar PS4 Exclusive Lineup.
I just feel so privileged to be able to live in a time where a company like Sony loves and respects its consumer base so much that they just keep giving 11/10 games, time and time again.
meanwhile on reddit
>>334438412
You literally play a corpse in DS that steal souls. It's more edgy than a man hunting werewolfs. Or did you think Van Helsing was a edgy movie too?
>>334438412
Hope you haven't played Bloodborne Souls 3 then
>>334436674
>make a sequel
>has no original ideas
>almos the exact same shit
But enjoy it friend, it's your opinion and i respect it ;D
>>334438451
I don't get why people have a hard time with the Watchers, they attack themselfs, you can baackstab them, everything stunlocks them and they don't have much health
I just cleared Anor Londo and up until now there's no boss that took more than one try. I played the other souls game before so it helps, but some enemy encounters are way harder than any boss in this one
Are the DaS1 servers completely dead for anyone else?
I've not seen a single message or bloodstain in literal weeks.
>>334439264
It's because people don't know how to deal with the second form. To be honest it took me a good 9 tries, the same number of tries for Ornstein and smough, this was the first boss so far that gave me trouble but I didn't mind because of the music and how fun the fight was
>>334431221
I like this guy.
>>334439519
DS1 servers on PC have been down for a few days. Namco is currently working on fixing them.
Bloodborne lacks the depth, variety and exploration to be the best Souls game. It's literally style over substance: the game. And no, running around killing eldritch horrors isn't lovecratian.
>>334439780
Really now? Why'd they knock em out in the first place?I really don't know if I should trust Bamco. They're not particularly competent support-wise.
>>334432290
>There is no cycle because in DS3 there never was a age of darkness
You're a fucking moron. The cycle implies that they continue to reignite the flame.
so then everyone pretty much agrees that bloodborne is the best?
