Which one do you think was better anons? Personally, I loved Xenoblade X for the skill combat but compared to the original the story feels bland. Xenoblade had a great story, awesome music and all the mechanics associated with the Monado. Xenoblade X only had skill combat and better graphics, the story, while being good, wasn't as epic, the music was decent to forgettable and I couldn't be bothered with online multiplayer.
What do you anons think? Also Xeno series general thread
They were both shit games.
>>334426130
You clearly have no taste in JRPGs
I feel like Xenosaga should be remade, the graphics of today along with a new battle system could make it much better experience. I can't remember shit about the game other than Sion was fucking horrible and Telos being boring as fuck
>>334424874
I thought Xenosaga was a boring as fuck movie barely any better than Final Fantasy Spirits Within, and Xenogears wasn't even finished before it was rushed out the door so I'm giving it to Xenoblade.
>>334426827
I feel the same. Too bad the Xenosaga HD remake petition failed. Hope Harada comes up with a solution for that Xenosaga deserves to be remade and if it sells well, I hope they can finish the other 3 games they were planning to make
>>334426130
Shut up, faggot.
>>334427160
>Xenogears wasn't even finished before it was rushed out the door
Agree Xenogears was a flawed masterpiece. However, I don't think Xenosaga was boring. It was the game that introduced me to Nietzche, Freud, Gnosticism and Zoroastrianism, I thought the religious and psychological overtones were pretty cool
Exploration/level design/gameplay/customability: XCX
Music/Story/Characters: Xenoblade
Now we just need a game with Xenoblade's strengths coupled with XCX's strengths and we'd have the greatest RPG of all time.
Xenoblade had the better story and characters and battle system, but X was just so crazy addictive.
I liked the first more, but I appreciate the depth of the combat in the second.
Both are good games.
>>334424874
Xenoblade Chronicles = Xenogears > Xenoblade X > Xenosaga
>>334428218
W-what the fuck? What kinda edgy shit is this? What kinda party would let shit like that happen?
I've only played Xenoblade and X. I'm thinking of getting into the other 2 games. Is Saga really cutscene galore like my friend told me?
>>334424874
>XCX's music
>forgettable
It's anything but. I'm not saying the music is necessarily good, but it's the opposite of forgettable, if only for memes.
>>334428062
>>334428321
Thing is, I think that Takahashi was making steps in the right direction but is also leading the Xeno series on the wrong path. I think it's great that they made the world bigger to appeal to Western audiences but I think the exclusion of many religious and philosophical themes in X is straying too much from the general Xeno series spirit. What do you anons think?
>>334424874
If I had a "going into games" machine I would go into the first Xenoblade.
Concerning Xenogears, I think that it has good lore but awful plot
>>334428582
The next game just needs more story. Then it would be fine.
>>334428552
Maybe I didn't express myself correctly. I didn't really mean forgettable but compared to the EPIC battle themes in Xenoblade, Xenoblade X's music sounds... underwhelming
>>334428582
Nah, I wouldn't mind keeping the religious stuff out, you can still make a good story without it.
>>334428708
>The next game just needs more story.
No it doesn't. The next game just needs to have a beginning and an end, like Xenogears and Xenoblade Chronicles. Not a fucking cliffhanger.
>>334424874
FFXV will blow them both out of the water. Was fucking stupid how Xenoblade X babbies were shitposting FFXV the entire way up to their launch and the GUESS WHAT? Their game turned out shit.
Now its our turn. Can't wait for the true kings of RPG games to put Monolith and Nintendo fanboys in a fucking grave. Payback time for those months (year???) of shitposting.
>>334428885
I like the Xenoseries bc it was more deep and philosophical than Final Fantasy. Don't get me wrong, I encourage Takahashi to develop the games to make more potential fans but I don't want it to become so accessible to the mainstream that it loses the charm that made it good in the first place
>>334428930
This. Hell, it can even be an open end "the story continues" style like what XCX's ending was shaping up to be before the post credit "OH NO THE SERVERS WERE DOWN ALL THIS TIME THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PLANET ALSO LAO IS ALIVE AND LOOK, A MYSTERIOUS CLOAKED MAN!" fucking bullshit.
>>334428967
You sound upset.
Have a (You)
>>334428967
This is why we can't have nice things. Why can't we enjoy both? The JRPG is in a fragile state in the West, we should be enjoy as many JRPGs that come to our shores instead of arguing about which one is shit
This Final Fantasy vs Xeno series rivalry is stupid. They were both originally from the same developer and the plot of Xenogears was originally the plot of FFVII.
>>334429085
>it was more deep and philosophical than Final Fantasy
What.
FF6 to 9 all had philosophical themes running under them. I won't mention FF10 because the game is railroaded shit, but even that had philosophical themes.
Granted they weren't all as heavy on existentialism as Xenogears but the themes were there.
>>334428967
I cannot wait for FFXV to turn out to be the biggest disappointment from Squeenix yet. The meltdown on /v/ will be absolutely glorious.
>>334429243
I wasn't aware either had to be until now. I'm excited about FF XV. I loved both Xenoblades as well. I have in the past argued the first Xenoblade made me realize how good XII could have been, but if that bugs you go ahead and come at me.
I'm still excited about XV.
>>334429471
I want it on PC without denuvo. Fuck denuvo, it's as bad as DRM fucking with my SSD reads and writes.
>>334429425
Yes, I agree with you. I did put "more" in the comment bc the Xeno series always placed more emphasis in philosophy/religion/psychology to drive the plot. I love both of them anyways
>>334429165
That happened? That awful. Are they planning on making a sequel or what?
>>334429085
>I like the Xenoseries bc it was more deep and philosophical than Final Fantasy.
And it did that by ripping off other people's ideas.
>>334429489
FF12 needed a tighter, more cohesive pacing instead of letting you wander around while going from plot point to plot point. Characters weren't a problem, and the story wasn't a problem either. It was the pacing.
XC had damn good pacing.
Do you think we'll get proper AI healing support characters this time? I almost feel like I have to focus on DPS characters in the xenoblade series so far.
>>334429672
So? Nothing is really original nowadays. Square Enix ripped off almost everything from Dungeons&Dragons
>>334428478
Someones a sensitive little shit
>>334428218
I just did that quest today. I let him kill them because I figured "well they must have done something wrong"
Then he just goes on a rambling about genocide even though the Ma-non in general have done nothing wrong outside of having annoying voices, so I killed him.
>>334429749
>healing
>ever
Sharla was cute but you don't need to focus on healing at all, not even in XCX.
>>334429753
Who cares about ripping off, it's the execution of the ideas that matter.
>>334429920
A true hero, Anon.
I really want FFXV to succeed. After the clusterfucks that were FF XI-XIV, Square Enix needs Final Fantasy to git bud again. Otherwise they might have to file for bankruptcy
>>334429993
All I want out of FFXV is a clear ending.
I'm stuck waiting another 3 years for XCX's sequel.
>>334429948
I know but I feel it would have been nice to have a proper balance for it in future titles. It makes me feel like what's the point of designing and making support characters that will die in 3 seconds.
>>334429959
>a true hero
>when your biggest ally among party members isn't human
Nah fuck him, without aliens we never would've even made it to Mira
>>334429746
I'd like to play it again. Honestly, it had been long enough it was more about the feeling of it than anything else. FF12 made me want to plan an MMO instead, Xenoblade didn't. But I'd be lying if I didn't want to try to play it again.
Honestly, I think it was that Vaas saying something really stupid about friendship while entering the final dungeon that mad me put the game down, though it was also after hating the world map and sidequests.
Wait, Xenoblade is actually related to Xenosaga?
I always thought the name was just a coincidence.
>>334430172
I was talking about the Anon. I killed the guy outright because that's what games usually want you to do. Anyone hating peace and property among different cultures are bad guys.
>>334429948
Yes. The Xeno series executed those ideas wonderfully.
>>334430304
According to the creator, Xeno means a game made by him.
But he's kind of an edgelord, so there probably is a connection hidden somewhere only he knows about.
>>334430304
it's by the same developers. Who were originally owned by square made xenogears, then got bought by namco who made the xenosaga and then got bought by nintendo to make the xenoblade series.
>>334430332
Oh ok, I didn't know you were agreeing with me.
I'm not against killing aliens, but not when they've done nothing wrong and in fact help us.
I want another world like in X, but I want the music from the first back as well as its plot that actually makes me want to keep progressing. X was great, but I wanted to wander more than I wanted to fight the Ganglion and find the Lifehold Core. It picked up in the last half hour, and that's it.
Seriously, why all the hate for Xenosaga? It was the trilogy that got me into the Xeno series after all, I mean the movies were long but the plot was interesting so who cares?
>>334430443
I don't dislike the Manon. They are the ultimate autistic race, and those come in handy if you are trying to survive.I just wish you could play as Tatsu
X was an open world RPG done right. I fucking came on the first time I arrive on each of the continent. Mech customization was sick despite its lackluster combat. I fucking love how different the sound of each skell's truster and the sound when you enter and out of cockpit.
For me Xenoblade is just a good classic JRPG done right in this dreadful era of declining JRPG.
I really can't choose which is better. Both have their equally weighted pros and cons.
>>334430420
When I see "xeno," I assume it has something to do with culture or ethnicity.
As in, Donald Trump wants Mexicans to leave, therefore he's "xenophobic."
>>334430420
The Gnosis and Mechon serve the same role. There are espies of characters. Duban=Jin, Seven=KOS-MOS and many other connection alike that
>>334430215
It emulates well, so grab PCSX2 and an iso of the international version.
I only go through that game because of the bounty hunting, same way I got through XCX. Frankly XCX gives me the same empty feeling as FF12, like the games are not completely reaching for their potential.
>>334430579
Xeno just means foreign in any sense
>>334428478
Are you that much of a bitch?
>>334424874
it's crazy how no one on this board spoils any of the xenoblade games, at least compared to the "lol adachi is the killer" memes from the persona fanbase. i appreciate it a lot, don't get me wrong, since i literally just started the game, but it definitely took me aback a bit
>>334430758
It;s really hard to spoil XCX because outside of the very end and the fact thatLao betrays you, there isn't much there to spoil.
Xenosaga is REALLY easy to spoil because there's so much plot.
>>334430457
>plot that actually makes me want to keep progressing
The whole plot of X is like the first quarter of Xenoblade Chronicles when you get to that scene in the rain where Dunban shows up in the colony. They padded X too much with make-do game design.
>>334424874
Why the fuck is there almost no fanart of these three together? Shounen Bong, Crazy Ching Chong, and Waifubot would be great friends if they met.
Is there anything you can actually be locked out of in XCX?
>>334430847
Let's not talk about Xenogears and Xenoblade Chronicles. those games were loaded with spoilers too
>>334430579
>I assume it has something to do with culture or ethnicity.
That is exactly what X is most about.
>>334430972
I know right. I think the fandom is too small for much fan art to be produced
>>334431019
Maxing Lao's affinity. Aside from that no, I don't believe so.
>>334431035
Xenogears kinda gets a pass because the game is almost 20 years old now. There has to be a statute of limitations on this shit, if you don't know the plot of Xenogears by now then it's your own damn fault for not playing.
>Xenogears
Cool robots, fun game, best game in the franchise, best soundtrack, shame about that second disc
>Xenosaga
Mindnumbing, slow as fuck, robots look like shit, good porn, shit plot
>Xenoblade
No playable giant robots, combat is dull, cool world, boring sidequests, fun story and characters
>X
Has Robots again but Robot combat is dull, great world driving/flying around in robots is fun, good sidequests, character building and ground combat is really fun, dull story that has no right to get so interesting right at the end only to leave us with a cliff hanger.
Xenoblade feels more "complete" but I liked everything about Xenoblade X better, including the story and characters, as incomplete and relatively undeveloped as they are. The soundtrack is more polarizing, but the first game's was merely pleasant but forgettable like so many fantasy RPGs. Gameplay, graphics, and dolls/skells are all a full step forward. I appreciate playing a customizable silent avatar so much more than having to follow some naive idiot like Shulk.
I haven't played Xenosaga, but of the rest, I think Xenogears has the best story, best characters, best soundtrack overall, best NPCs and towns, and best dungeons. Xenoblade X has the best gameplay and world.
>>334431019
You can't ask Lao to join your party after chapter 9.
That also locks you out of his heart to heart if you happen to haven't maxed his by then.
OP here. I have to say, I'm impressed, apart from some haters, this thread has been quite civilized
>>334431203
Sounds about right. Also you can blame Square shifting all their budget and stuff onto the newest FF moneyhog.
>>334431124
You'd think that PxZ2 would allow for some Xeno crossover R34 at the very least.
>>334431382
That moneyhog was FF8, and it made crazy amounts of money and was both critically and fan-acclaimed, so it's hard to say that their decision was a bad one.
>>334431396
I kind of hoped that ProjectXZone and ProjectXZone 2 would give Xenosaga more publicity in the West so we can finally get the last three games
>>334431518
FFVIII had it's flaws but it was fun and if you knew how to break the system it was very cathartic to smash the final boss with an OP party at levels 1-10
>>334431518
Yeah it's not like FFIX where they shafted it in favor of fucking Spirits Within
>>334431520
At least XB and XS got to crossover in some form. XB is probably the reason they added Nintendo characters in that game. If FFXV does well, hopefully Square would consider joining PxZ3. There's some PC mech game by Square that featured some of the main XG Gears, so it's not like they've forgotten about Xeno.
>>334430847
i was talking about the original xenoblade on 3ds, really fun btw. and idk who lao even is, i don't have a wii u
Personally, I liked X better. For one, it had more fleshed out sidequests. Another reason would be because the collection is much easier than in the first game since you can make posts about it and people would answer you. Also the spawn rates aren't as abyssmal. Finally, I personally liked the theme and story much more.
>>334431518
That was only due to marketing and riding on FF7's coat-tails. Hell you could have retitled Xenogears as FF8 and it would have sold crazy amounts. People have been shitting on the actual FF8's gameplay and characters since day one.
>>334431860
>People have been shitting on the actual FF8's gameplay and characters since day one.
And far more have defended its story and characters. The gameplay is the only point most people didn't like.
>>334431831
That's the one good thing about XCX, the abundant number of sidequests that weren't generic were entirely like that pollen drug quest chain in XC, either horrifying, hilarious, or a downright tragedy.
Also, fuck that water purification plant, nothing good ever comes from that place, the shit that happens there is like something out of Ripley's Alien movies.
>>334431808
They kind of did. Square has been in a financial crisis for so long bc they alienated the fans of FF and insist on banking only on FF. They are literally sitting atop mountains of great franchises that they neglect when they could be making money by producing more of those games
>>334431831
I personally compare Xenoblade and Xenoblade X to how people compare it to OOT and Majoras Mask.
OOT is more of the classic style of Zelda where it was more focused on the story and progression to beat the game.
Majoras mask is much more open ended where you can complete most of the sidequests on your own leisure and the contents of the lore and story are more focused on those then the actual main story.
>>334432046
You're going to need the directors and producers who made those games come back, and a lot of them aren't in Squeenix anymore.
>>334431961
I've never heard of anyone who likes Rinoa. Even so, it's definitely one of the more polarizing games in the series.
>>334432156
You have a point there. As good as Testuya Nomura and Yoshinori Kitase are, they don't have much experience with the Xeno series, only Takahashi does it right. But if they aren't using the property rights, why not sell them to Takahashi?
>>334432268
RINOA IS THE WITCH
SQUALL IS ACTUALLY DEAD
>>334432268
>I've never heard of anyone who likes Rinoa.
She is one of the most popular FF heroines in Japan, mainly because she embodies a lot of Yamato Nadeshiko traits.
>>334432156
I'm amazed Tokita is still around. And that he STILL wants to remake Live-A-Live.
>>334432323
FUUUUUUUUU MARK THOSE SPOILERS FUCKING TROLL!!!!!
>>334432361
Isn't the guy who made the Saga Frontier and Romancing Saga games also still in Squeenix with barely anything to do?
Still, it would be nice if Squeenix started using it's other franchises more, as good as Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts are, they need to cool down so the quality doesn't decline
>>334432535
Not sure. Tokita these days is the head of the mobile division, so he's in charge of the porting stuff.
But it's not like he was super busy in the past, he has like 3 games to his name in 20 years.
>>334431518
>>334431382
That's actually not true, Xenogears was in development parallel with FF7 not FF8, and Final Fantasy never stole any of it's funding. Xenogears had the same funding the whole way through. Some of the Xenogears staff got moved to Final Fantasy 7's team during the final crunch on that game but they immediately moved right back to Xeno.
Xenogears was too ambitious, and Takahashi failed to manage the project competently given the budget. The only thing he's said on the matter is when moving to work on FF7 square was incredibly liberal with funds, but it was jarring moving from Xeno to FF7 where funds weren't a concern and then back to Xeno where they were a constant concern.
Square said if the game hit 1 million in sales they'd do a sequel it sold just short of that.
>>334432361
>She is one of the most popular FF heroines in Japan, mainly because she embodies a lot of Yamato Nadeshiko traits.
I'm pretty sure Yuna is the most popular one, specifically because of reasons you mentioned and because 10 is the most popular FF in Japan.
>>334432697
I said one of, not THE most popular
>>334432676
Takahashi has always been a bit short in something.
>>334432323
I'll never understand why fans hate those theories so much when they're actually pretty cool, and could have been one of the many concepts for the story that were cut due to the devs being forced to dumb it down to make it more "accessible" for the target audience.
Certainly better than anything in FF8 taken at face value ("muh destiny")
>>334432676
>Xenogears was too ambitious
Yeah, Xenogears was a flawed masterpiece. Shame that they didn't produce the sequels bc from what I read from Perfect Works, the backstory could provide for many interesting games
Did anyone else get burned out from XBC, but not from XCX?
>>334432676
>>334432841
>Takahashi has always been a bit short in something.
He generally doesn't know how to finish stories. He always runs out of steam near the end
>>334432910
8 isn't destiny, it's the opposite. Squall created his own future, his own success. Destiny implies he had no choice, but him going back in time and telling Cid and Edea to form SeeD ensures that he'll grow up to complete the cycle.
>>334432910
I always considered those theories to be my personal canon. It made the game more interesting that way
>>334432958
Other way around here.
Didn't get burned out by Xenogears, but got burned out by Xenosaga.
Xenosaga and Xeno X, the story pacing in them just sucks.
>>334433032
>Destiny implies he had no choice
Not necessarily. In XBC, Shulk can see his "destiny" yet he has the choice to change it, just like Squall said"Screw destiny. I'm doing whatever it takes to save Rinoa and everybody else"
>>334433131
JRPGs are supposed to be long epics. If you can't handle the pacing then play something else
>>334433131
>Didn't get burned out by Xenogears, but got burned out by Xenosaga.
That's not fair, Xenosaga is 3 games versus 1.
To be honest I never really liked an open world until Xenoblade X. First time I ever actually enjoyed traveling around and exploring instead of just looking up all the hot spots on a wiki or something.
The only regret I have is getting mechs really made the world feel smaller.
>>334433032
He was destined to be a leader even though he clearly never wanted to be.
>>334433039
Exactly. It's like MGS2 and the VR theory.
>>334433172
That's not destiny, fate is immutable regardless of the actions taken. If you can change the future then it isn't destiny.
>>334431219
>pleasant but forgettable
Are you joking me right now? There's a reason just about everyone who's heard both games wants a return to the original's sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjSx9hux9NA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooZyHLLQ5e8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dy74NOzcS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5k02RRYhY
>>334433267
You haven't played many JRPGs if you think that. Unless you mean to tell me Chrono Trigger was a "long epic" with more emphasis on its story over gameplay.
>>334433460
Depends on the work. In XBC, the main theme WAS you can change destiny.
>>334433267
XC had perfect pacing, Xeno X didn't. That's all the difference that stops me from being burnt out by a game or making me play a game only once.
Let's look at other JRPGs. P3 and P4 also had good story pacing, except P4's problem is the fucking up to 2 hour long tutorial at the start that fucks with it.
Steambot Chronicles? Good pacing, nothing dragged on. Same with Radiata Stories, or Radiant Historia. Dark Cloud 1? Same deal. Dark Cloud 2 suffered in comparison. Chrono Trigger, now there's a game that's perfectly paced.
I still play Xenogears and Xenoblade at least once a yearreligiously.
>>334433557
Chrono Trigger is an exception to the rule. Yes it was short but that was meant to be balanced by the multiple endings
>>334433568
No the main theme of XBC is pythogorean mathematics
>>334433460
>gundam seed destiny
My antidote for that is Victory Gundam.
>>334433779
You answer to Destiny is a show that the creator intentionally tried to make terrible to spite the studio's increasing creative control?
>>334433697
If you mean math as in Monad, it was meant to be taken in the context of Agnoticism. yes Monad is a mathematical term but it also plays a part in Agnosticim. Knowing Takahashi, I think he was going for the religious interpretation of fate and destiny
>>334424874
I like X far more than the original. Xenoblade Chronicles was very narrative focused, but the story was shit and I hated all of the characters except Dunban. X improved on every aspect of the gameplay, has the better OST, has less obnoxious (but also less developed) characters, and and equality bad story that thankfully isn't focused on.
How much do I miss out on if I play Xenoblade Chronicles on my N3DS instead of the Wii version?
>>334433697
What did the triangle on the back of Alvis' jacket mean? What about the triangle in pic related wheremeyneth is hidden?inb4 holy trinity
>>334433902
The Monado is also a device that rewrites reality through mathematics.
>>334433656
That's how the Xeno series is meant to be played. Takahashi is my personal God.
>>334433869
It takes poison to fight poison. Wuxia 101.
>>334433656
>XC had perfect pacing
I disagree, if it had perfect pacing it wouldn't let me do sidequests for 40 hours before I decide to continue the plot.
>>334433964
That's what I meant. You're not wrong. The Monado could change destiny by calculating the finite amount of ether in the XBC world. At least we can say the main theme was "changing your destiny throughout math"
>>334434119
That's an optional segment and irrelevant to the main story pacing. I could also fuck around in Chrono Trigger not advancing the plot.
Sawano fucking sucks, hope he doesn't return for the X sequel
>>334434240
This. You could take your time or rush thought the story if you wanted to
>>334434240
I CAN'T HELP IT. The game just keeps giving me more and more sidequests, and I HAVE to do them before I proceed or I'll go nuts. I never even reached prison island because I got so burned out from 70 hours of sidequests.
>>334434119
Sidequests are a player-driven choice to make. They're there to give the player a break from the story and narrative and focus more on gameplay and world-building. If you were forced to do them, then yes, that would mangle the pacing. But if you chose to do a bajillion sidequests before one story mission, that isn't the designer's fault.
>>334434348
Bring back Mitsuda!
>>334434240
>>334434371
Videogames have drilled into me that if you don't do the side content, you won't be strong enough for the main story.
>>334434361
>I CAN'T HELP IT.
Mild obsessive compulsive disorder?
I ignored all the quests except for the really easy ones and the ones that actually had story.
>>334434484
Kek. That's not true and besides it's more fun if the battles are challenging instead of mowing down everyone with an OP party
>>334434540
>Mild obsessive compulsive disorder?
>Mild
I'm the kind of person who checks 4 times if I locked the car because I can't be sure if I did it the first 3 times.
>>334433492
I do think Xenoblade had much better battle music than Xenoblade X, but outside of battle the soundtrack is too passive. Pleasant = good, but it's lacking stronger themes, IMHO.
>>334434315
>>334434438
Agree. They should bring Mitsuda, Uematsu or Sakuraba to compose their godly music
>>334434438
Yasunori Mitsuda and Yoko Kanno! Bring back Celtic-inspired music!
>>334434484
Being under-leveled is actually fun. 73 vs 86 in pic related.
>>334434484
A good, well balanced game would make completing the required missions fairly difficult, but perfectly doable while completing minimal sidequests. Completing side-quests would of course make that task a bit easier with each one if it's too hard.
>would you like to retry on easy mode?
XCX can fuck off with that shit
>>334433903
Are you me? 100% with you on every word.
>>334434787
What the fuck, there was a babby mode? I never encountered that.
OP here. Out of all the battle systems in the Xeno games, which one did you prefer and why? I personally preferred XBC's bc of the Vision mechanics and chain attacks were better executed
>>334429638
I fucking hope so.
Here's the end credit - main treat to the immediate survival of mankind has been defeated, humans have regained the facility that allows them to transfer their selves back into organic bodies and the databanks containing the selves of millions of other humans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPWzgML2xlk
And here's the post-credit scene - lol just kidding the servers hosting your selves have been flooded and inoperable since your ship crashed down. How are you still functioning? WHO KNOWS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF0lG9l-K0o
>>334434943
that's only for boss fights if you keep dying at least 3 times.
>>334434950
XBC because of the party banter, XCX was a step below it.
>>334434943
If you die too many times to one boss fight I think, it gives you an easy modo option. XCX is a game where you should never have to struggle with that though.If you're not a casual
>>334435041
XCX has party banters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz_Zo1N1Cyw
>>334435041
Agreed. XBC X just can't top quotes like "What a bunch of jokers" and "It's Reyn time!"
>>334435085
Normally I'd say "you could just have a really shitty team setup", but the game pretty much forces Lin and Elma into every mission so you're basically always covered.
>>334435184
I know it has, but they're weak compared to XC's bantz.
>>334435235
Except the final boss.Had to grind to the fucking level cap for that fucker
>>334435184
No where near as good or in-depth as XC's banter, and then again, how could it had been? Constructing believable banter algorithms for all 12+ team members and every combination of 2 to 4 of them would have been fucking hell on Earth
>>334435396
Just use the Ares' lasers
>>334435307
Which is the sacrifice made when you go from a tight-knit cast of 6-7 characters to about 20. Who the fuck cared about characters like Gwin and Mia and Mr. "Nippon"?
>people hate pepeblade x
why...
>>334435396
Final boss felt like fighting Metal Face the first time. In fact the whole of that chapter felt like the initial attack on colony 9 when things finally started happening.
And then you end up with a cliffhanger. Fuck.
>>334435420
Agree. The banter btw the party in XBC made you feel like they were a band of brothers and not just a team slapped together
>>334435475
Didn't want to grind so much money
>>334435536
It gets as easy as Metal Face when you hit the level cap and maxed out your skells. Otherwise he was pretty intense
>>334435525
Who's hating anon? The game wasn't perfect but it was still pretty damned great
>>334435525
People don't hate it, but it felt more like a side-step for the series instead of definitive progression, like a sequel should do.
>>334435895
I felt that it sacrificed a little bit too much to appeal to Western audiences otherwise the open-woorld exploration was pretty gud
>>334435525
It's not a feeling strong enough to be hate.
The game is just weak when it comes to the main story. The sidequests were way more fleshed out.
>>334435895
But it wasn't a sequel
OP here. who here hopes /Xenosaga remake? happens?
>>334436301
hope is as far as it goes
>>334436301
We tried and failed. It's up to Harada now
>>334436347
Final Fantasy VII is getting a remake. Why not Xenosaga?
>>334436301
If we're going to get a Xenosaga remake, make it only 1 game, not 3 or 6. The entire trilogy, packed in 1 game.
>>334436571
Because one is Square and the other is Namco, and the only person who gives a shit about it at Namco is Harada, and he's currently busy with Tekken
>>334436583
That is technically impossible. Even Squeenix says Final Fantasy VII remake can't fit into one disc, how do you expect 6 games to fit?
>>334436657
Then it's up to the fans to show our support. Hope Harada finishes up Tekken 7, big fan of that franchise too
>>334436873
>Then it's up to the fans to show our support.
We tried, remember?
>>334436789
By doing something stupid, like releasing it as a PC only release.
>>334436935
Yeah what happened there? If we want the Xenoseries to ever get sequels fans should be a lot more invested in helping the developers out
>>334436571
won't make the $$$ that FF will
>>334437110
>Yeah what happened there?
No one signed the petition.
Well, not enough people did anyway
>>334436981
Fuck that shit that was the clusterfuck that was the original release on PC. Hope they release a game of the year edition with all the content in one disc. And they change the battle system back
>>334437151
I try to be optimistic. I think Harada has in mind that the games are geared towards a specific audience.
>>334437151
Star Ocean is getting a sequel and it's not even that popular
>>334436583
I have absolutely no idea how you could make that work. You'd have to cut A LOT of content for that to work, and frankly you'll be putting in a lot of holes for cutting shit in Xenosaga.
>>334437634
Star Ocean got a game in PS3 last gen. Xeno-series didn't get a new installment on PS3.
>>334437893
It's very easy in a lazy way. All you have to do is stick an intermission scene. You know how you had to change discs for games like Star Ocean 2, FF7, or Legend of Dragoon? Same deal, a "would you like to continue the saga with Xenosaga 2" after you finish the first one.
>>334436058
I feel like XCX traded it in a lot of the heart and warmth of the original by going with a bigger open world, 20 recruitable characters, an anime episodic story & an anime OST (instead of an epic RPG story & RPG music)
>>334437896
It didn't do so well after Star Ocean 3's infamous plot twist, yet it's still getting a sequel. I understand that Namco is scared after Xenosaga 2 but Xenosaga 3 was better in all aspects. Just make all three games as gud as the third one and everyone is happy
>>334438083
So basically the same thing the FFVII remake is doing?
>>334438305
God no, don't butcher my childhood Squeenix. First they put action in muh rpg then they have the audacity to release it in "episodes"
>>334438138
I know that feel anon. I understand that they have to make it appealing to Westerners to make more sequels but the Xenoseries is supposed to be deep
>>334438480
And they'll change the story from the original too.
>>334438480
I don't see how that was much different than swapping out the discs like you did normally. I mean, so long as the chapters aren't $80 a piece and are at a reasonable price, I'm fine with it.
And please, as if FFVII's turned based combat was anything amazing or special. Personally, I think the combat looks fun. You're just being a nostalgia fag.
>>334438282
Just give up on Xenosaga anon, Namco rarely tolerates stories that span over multiple games.
We got extremely lucky that something like .hack made it through 4 games to tell it's story especially considering it was niche as hell.
Something like that will not be tolerated and supported again by Namco.
>>334438761
If they only charged you for the first episode and let you play the others for free then I'm ok with that.
>>334438761
>so long as the chapters aren't $80 a piece
This is Squeenix were talking about. Do you honestly think they're not going to charge 60$ for each part of the game? Why change the battle system? Noone complained, it was good, no need to change
>>334438743
Shit forgot about that too! Is nothing sacred?
>>334438895
>Namco rarely tolerates stories that span over multiple games.
Explain Tekken
>>334438895
.hack had 3 more games after the first 4 on PS2, right?
>>334439160
G.U to be exact. Imo they were superior to the original quadrilogy
Bumping this thread because at least unlike the other one it isn't shitpost and bait central.
Xenoblade X was shit.
>>334441023
Thanks dunbro.
>>334424874
Xenoblade by a bit
Doesn't mean xenoblade X was bad though, it just missed character polishing and things like that.
that Kos-mos tho.
>>334441205
It's too late, he's here. Guess we'll never have a decent Xenothread now that we have our very own version of "METROID PRIME WAS SHIT FUCKING GAYLO CLONE WESTERN TRASH 3D SHIT AUTOAIM NOT MUH METROID" autist stalking every thread.
>>334441023
ah, fuck it
BORN IN A WORLD OF STRIFE
>>334441616
AGAINST THE ODDS WE SHALL FIGTH
>>334441616
AGAINST THE ODDS
>>334441739
WE CHOOSE TO FIGHT
>>334441789
I NEED A BIGGER GUN
>>334441616
>>334441739
>>334441789
Muh nigga
>>334441871
NOW PUT THE BOOT IN
>>334430682
Same, actually. First Xenoblade felt a lot more complete to me, which is why that one in particular stuck out as what ff12 could have been.
>>334428218
Didn't know Leon Kennedy was a Trump supported.
>>334441616
>BORN IN A WORLD OF STRIFE
OMG DUNBAN CONFIRMED FOR CAMEO IN FF7 REMAKE NEW CLICKBAIT ARTICLE AT 11
>>334442357
>This
YES!
Xenoblade X was my GOTY 2015. The moment I got it in early December I basically became a fucking recluse all the way up until Christmas. Thank God I had already gotten all the presents or I would have shown up to the family party empty handed.
100% it and have a ton of fond memories. The main quest was short as hell yeah, but the sidequests were some of the most entertaining shit ever. I'd do one sidequest that started with a kidnapping that ends up turning into the beginning of a partnership company, then I have another quest of going to a peaceful water plant only to find it the scene of a horror movie.
If I were to request one thing to Takahashi, it would be to lower the amount of playable characters and focus on a more core group. There were a SHIT TON of party members and they ended up becoming spread a little too thin for my taste.
Still a damn good game and I can't wait for the sequel, be it spiritual or actual sequel.
>>334442526
XBC was more focused on story while XBCX was more focused on gameplay. I agree they should cut back on the number of playable characters.
>>334429874
>>334430749
Stop bullying me.
>>334433945
Monad, Demiurge and Sophia.
Alvis, Zanza, Meyneth.
So yes, most likely holy trinity taken out of context.
>>334444317
I am the white void. I am the cold steel. I am the Just sword. With blade in hand shall I reap the sins of this world and cleanse it in the fires of destruction. I am Hakumen. The end has come.
>Monolith working on an NX game
>hires new stuff like crazy
>X was just them learning how to do HD
>wants to do a more story focused game next
If the next Xenoblade will be a mix between the last two it might really end up being the definitive GOAT
>>334433656
P3 and P4 ? Good story pacing ?
I've played each ones for about 40h and nothing happened at all
>>334428321
>and battle system
Overdrive is way better than chain attack IMO, but opinions aside theres much more depth to X's combat because of classes and the ability to combine them, as well as the more powerful augments and being able to hop into a skell if things get really tight. I agree on XBC having a better story and characters, but the battle system was vastly improved in X
The first Xenoblade narrative is much better But XCX is more engaging. Exploration,skells and ground combat are just too damn fun.
