Wow you nostalgia faggots think you really showed blizzard huh. You do know what he ment by "you think you want it, but you don't" right? You do know thee are class spec's in vanilla you pretty much can't use right? You do know that vanilla wow has an end to it right? Once you complete naxx and get all those epics your done nothing comes after that right? You do know there will never be any patch's for it, no balancing, no bug fix's right? What will you do after you beat vanilla leave? Upgrade to legion? I don't you tell me what you'll do
>>334342228
you realize a vanilla legacy server after a long enough time will move on to tbc and teventually to wrath, etc, dont you?
you fucking retard
who gives a fuck if not all specs are viable. at least classes were fucking unique.
>>334342335
The stupidity in this post is unbearable
>>334342228
>balance druid
>melee hunter
>prot paladin
Literally nobody gives a shit. Much better than all the classes being able to heal to full every 30 seconds
>>334342228
we like vanilla. it's not nostalgia faggot, get over it.
we LIKE vanilla.
read again.
WE LIKE VANILLA.
>>334342228
>You guys are only pretending to have fun :^)
-Blizz shills
>>334344270
Yes because Vanilla Tanaris and Vanilla Warriors were the pinnacle of excitement. I could barely contain myself with the joy I had
>>334344363
your opinion doesn't affect us.
ours doesn't affect you.
wtf is your problem faggot?
>>334344363
>If I can't have fun, then nobody can
kek
>>334344495
>>334344540
I'm so happy you pathetic cunts lost your server.
Based Blizzard
>>334344862
>Cutting off heads of hydras
lel
>>334343708
>just because there was no diversity doesn't mean it wasn't diverse
K pham
>>334342228
Yes vanilla has a lot of flaws, but here's the thing, vanilla is a flawed diamond while current wow is a polished turd.
>>334345017
It'll take a very long time for them to regrow. All those levels down the drain
>>334345201
>every class in WoD has a gap closer/heal/invuln/shield
>Mana literally infinite and hunters use rogue energy now
>Mage pets are permanent and warlocks are slowly turning into mages day by day
>Cut all the abilities in half and then lock spells to specific specs
I love diversity
>>334345460
Half of the legacy fags I know love releveling. That's half of the appeal to them is reliving those first moments they stepped into the game. Hardly the end of the world.
>>334342335
>you realize a vanilla legacy server after a long enough time will move on to tbc and teventually to wrath, etc, dont you?
where are the proofs
>who gives a fuck if not all specs are viable. at least classes were fucking unique.
>I actually LIKE being forced to play in one exact way, thank you very much!
I hope Blizzard does open legacy servers just to bilk retards like you out of money
>>334345563
>>Cut all the abilities in half
playing as a DK I literally have more spells than fit on my action bars
>and then lock spells to specific specs
like every expansion since vanilla has done?
>>334345627
>Reliving the same thing TWICE
>>334342335
So, what, are you telling me that there would be a private server that changes the entire world with Cataclysm so we'll have private servers that are offshoots of that because they want the true private server experience they remember?
This is getting stupid.
>>334345793
If by "every expansion after vanilla" you mean after cataclysm, then yes.
>>334346112
>If by "every expansion after vanilla" you mean after cataclysm, then yes.
I don't remember being able to PoM pyro as a frost mage in vanilla m8
>>334346164
You could blizzard, ice Lance , frost bolt, you stupid fag
>>334346112
Not him, but oh no, the ice-themed spec gets all the ice-themed spells save for the utility ones in talents. How can Blizzard do that
>>334346164
And frost armor / ice armor on any mage. Dann I fucking hate you fuck
>>334346337
>>334346412
so I'm right, but I'm wrong because you're mad?
>>334346468
What? You can't use any of those spells now if you're fire or arcane. In vanilla, half the passive didn't exist, and almost every active you could.
So what's your point ?
>>334346524
>So what's your point ?
that spells have always been locked behind spec and you're just mad that they did it to spells you personally disagree with not being universal?
the only dumb thing is Frostfire Bolt being your level 1 main damage instead of a situational high level spell
>>334346164
>>334346468
I made an illustration to help people with downs that thought I was talking tiered spells
>>334345563
>Vanilla wow
>mage
>prot warrior
>holy priest
>Pick one
these were literally the the classes capable of doing there role right, all other classes were just there to give them buffs. Look it up it was designed that way
Not many abilities were cut and even more were added the one that were taken away should never have been in the spec
> fire blast on a frost Mage
Defend that you 14 year old hipster
>>334346337
In exchange for not having those spells, Fire gets Scorch, a heavy-hitting Pyroblast that is a benefit from crit, Flamestrike, and the ability to spread out the fire damage. They're essentially getting the same types of spells with different mechanics to it.
They exchanged having a lot of spells and specializing in certain ones more with choosing a specialization and gaining spells that benefit that spec's theme. It's a matter of opinion whether or not one is better than the other.
The model isn't inherently bad if they do it in a way that makes the specs all feel different. At the very least the way they have it in WoD was better than Pandaria, and Legion looks like they're really trying to diversify. Not sure how that's going aside from Melee Hunters and Outlaw Rogues.
>>334346726
I want catababbies that think the game is only about dps/heal meters to leave.
>We can't bring this paladin, his heals suck
Jk he has the best buffs in the game and I'm retarded
>>334345201
fuck off to wpsg faggot
>>334346112
This looks larger than the frost mage abilities of Vanilla
I mean, isn't old school RuneScape doing really well? Why shouldn't Blizzard just put a small team together for it?
>>334342228
>Blizzdrone still trying to defend these cunts
Defend "fuck that loser" too, I dare you
>>334346930
You aren't limited to JUST the frost spells in vanilla; that's the distinction.
>>334346642
>that spells have always been locked behind spec
But they haven't
I don't understand threads like these and I've been on this site for almost 10 years
These posts are clearly just lazy, lazy bait but people still post them. Why waste your time like this?
>>334347160
Don't underestimate how genuinely retarded corporate dicksuckers can be
>>334347132
go spec frost and PoM pyro or scorch
go spec fury and use mortal strike
go play a non-enhancement shaman and duel wield
>>334346726
>all other classes were just there to give them buffs
>implying this is a bad thing
The strive to make everything "viable" basically ruined class identity. Class design shouldn't revolve around just the concepts of "damage and healing"
Most of the problems with Vanilla specs was because of itemization. There were no Druid or paladin tanks because there was no fucking gear for them in raids.
There were no shadow priests in raids because of the debuff limits.
>fire blast on a frost mage
Are you seriously trying to suggest that classes shouldn't have baseline spells and just be limited to using stuff that "fits" their spec.
I guess prot and ret paladins shouldn't have any heals because they're not holy. Your terrible idea of class design would make an awful game. Oh wait that's retail now
>>334346886
Maybe he should have pretty good buffs AND be a decent healer that isn't immediately gimped in comparison to a priest.
Or a tank.
Or a DPS.
>>334347349
>duel wield
>vanilla
rofl
>>334347160
Because we get reactions from like you who are so obviously passively salty we can practically taste it
>>334345793
I mained a DK in WoD. Whilst yeah there's a fair amount of on use spells
actual combat stuff is barebones as all fuck.
>Chess remains the same for 9000 years
>no balance patches or expansions
>somehow WoW can't do this too
>>334347462
so expansions actually added more abilities to make up for locking them behind specs?
>>334347542
all of the actives that got turned into "take X% less damage for Y seconds" are annoying. I miss when Rune Tap healed me
>>334347349
just look at >>334346662
already before you look even more retarded
>b-but certain classes weren't viable
>WAAAHH I WANT TO BE A RET PALADIN
>fast forward to today
>HFC is so poorly designed that melee dps are a hindrance because of mechanics and ranged are more sought after
So congratulations. Your meme specs are finally "viable" but are still shit. The entire class diversity completely shelved because faggot paladins and druids complained about healing.
>>334347629
Did you send mail to tell me this? What's that? NO!? WEL GEE I WONDER FUCKING WHY?
>>334347804
basiply this
hybrid classes went from jack-of-all-trades-but-master-of-none to the best classes in the game bar none
>>334347416
Then what becomes the incentive to even have priest around if paladin can buff the entire raid with the best buffs in the game AND top heals?
There isn't. Heal meters aren't everything
>>334347732
>so expansions actually added more abilities
NOT
ANY
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRE
>>334347763
I'm still waiting on how I PoM pyro or scorch while specced frost, you seem to be unable to tell me while continuing to assert that I'm wrong
>>334347349
>Vanilla shsman
>duel wield
Alright we're being baited
>>334347349
>He thinks scorch is a fire only talent
This post pissed me off more than it should
>>334347416
>Holy paladin
>gimped compared to a priest
Am I actually reading this? Are you seriously trying to imply Holy paladins were bad healers in Vanilla?
Holy paladins were some of the strongest single target healers in the game. With enough crit they essentially never ran out of mana because of their passive that refunded full mana for healing crits.
All of their blessings were amazing and they brought Divine Intervention, one of the greatest abilities they ever had. Like holy shit dude
>>334348039
>or scorch while specced frost
hwat
>>334348039
Is english your second language or what?
I don't think you're understanding the 5 people arguing with you; they're saying that cataclysm removed the ability of frost mages to cast basic spells (hint the highlighted ones)
>>334345682
>>334345847
You do realize that a Nostalrius TBC server was in the makings, right? I even logged on once and tested a few dungeons. Also, when TBC would be released, they said they won't shut down Vanilla realms, so you could still play them if you want to.
>>334347349
> MS as Fury
This is bait guys and hes getting us all I think.
>>334344862
As long as you don't play modern WoW then I have nothing bad to say about your taste.
>>334347415
Bad example
So a balence Druid should just be a buff machine instead of being able to also do damage?
So a ret paladin who uses the light to do damage shouldn't also be able to use the same light that a priest uses to heal?
>>334348445
Balance druids could pvp just fine. This is the problem we get into. Trying to balance the game solely so everything can raid as any spec leads the game into boring esports territory where no one is unique
>>334348319
no, they were saying that locking spells behind specs is a new and inherently bad thing, it's neither new nor bad and makes everything less generic
>>334348349
This is the way to do it; just give players an option to copy their character over if they want, but keep the vanilla server open.
>>334343549
Blizzard cuck detected
>>334348657
Pretty sure you're the only person who made that interpretation judging from the replies
>>334342228
Lol.....it's okay Blizz drone. When blizz collapses you can shill for EA too, theyl'l appreciate your resume. So don't cry too much.
I understand that some builds were unviable in vanilla. Some attacks are unviable in martial arts too?
It's the difference between allowing people a set of lego blocks to build in whatever useful neat, and unforseen way they wanted
Vs
Here are the 3 preset designs some intern came up with in one afternoon. Pick one.
The first allows for meta to even exist. The second belongs in the CoD franchise.
This is retarded trying to defend vanilla is like trying to defend the Great Depression, every thing about it sucked, But hey it's the struggle and unfairness of it that made it fun!
Your worse then gen wunners
>>334344495
He doesn't get his bonus from blizzard unless he convinces atleast one person lmao.
>>334348810
I like games that spoonfeed me too; want to be friends? :^)
>>334348810
>t. babyboomer
>>334345460
Assuming Nost doesn't just leak the server data.
>>334342228
>WoW
You're right, I don't want it.
>>334342228
>What will you do after you beat vanilla leave?
You don't beat mmos faggot. Clearing all the raid content isn't beating an mmo. Meanwhile enjoy spending countless hours grinding for gear and items that will be made obsolete once a year, which you're paying cash to make happen.
>>334348986
>Leak
They're releasing their code as open source April 30th and aren't hiding it
>>334342228
I was wondering what if they did server resets and sort of cycled expansions?
Like for 6 months or a year, its a Vanilla. Then it uprgrades to TBC patch by patch. Then Wotlk. Then resets back to Vanilla, everything is deleted except for certain things and you get to start over. Repeat and repeat.
>Current WoW
>Class design is tied to content design
>Game is tied to difficulty sliders, achievements and porting around
>Everything has clear timers and easy to understand consumables
>God damn why is everything so fucking clean
If they put in mandatory language filter this would be a game for children only.
'But hey at least I'm in dungeons more and my fireballs feel nicer!' - You and your shitty opinion, 2016
>>334349242
Or you could just not be retarded and have a legacy server for each expansion and allow transfers upwards.
>>334349242
Inferior to
>>334348684
That way you're not forcing everyone to leave, just those who would like to.
>>334349242
>I was wondering what if they did server resets and sort of cycled expansions?
You mean like a ladder system? Which literally all of their other games have?
It would work but I think they should have separate servers for each expansion.
Alternatively, BC servers with Vanilla raids being required to complete to advance to HFP.
>>334344270
That pic says a 1000words
>>334349380
It's all prep work for inevitable console port. They've already segmented the game into small chunks which could be divided by loading screens like Garrison, Class halls and porting to dungeons.
>Vanilla talents
>Can mix and match whatever the fuck I want
>Intimidate AND scattershot? Why not?
>Pyroblast + Shatter? Sure, who cares?
Just because there was a perfect build for raiding and pvp that performed 1% better than another spec did not mean everyone was such a fucking tryhard. The new talent system seriously killed the game for me. I really miss kicking ass when I was 71/71 fire or whatever other gimmicky shit I felt like running that day
>>334349242
You see, that would mean work. Also Blizzard clearly doesn't wan to open the private server can of worms because you just KNOW people would start demanding private serves for each expansions because in their mind Cataclysm expansion was the best period, for example.
>>334349882
it's your classic "no one can make a mistake" design process. because god forbid players have to learn and understand game systems to get the most out of them. yeah, theorycrafting still exist on some level, but they completely nixed from the game at large and now you can get to the max level while shutting off your brain in the process and not thinking at all.
>>334349882
man i miss talent trees
blizzard has no idea what to do with classes any more
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>>334350153
I hit 2400 arena in wotlk by speccing down into shatter and putting the rest into arcane; it was top kek. Loved being able to do whatever the fuck I wanted
>>334350261
>>334350153
It looked something like this
>>334350538
Old talent trees were so linear to me in cats everyone who used a certain spec had the same setup so I was kinda happy when blizzard introduced the new talent trees it felt like there was more customization for every player but I do miss getting a talent every 2 levels
>>334351163
It's a talent point for every level cata baby.
>>334342335
Vanilla Server PVP
Vanilla Server PVE
TBC Server PVP
TBC Server PVE
WOTLK Server PVP
WOTLK server PVE
