>You think you do, but you don't...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuOYmqSF6OQ
Why aren't you boycotting Blizzard /v/. Are you really going to let them get away with this?
>boycotting Blizzard
So literally doing nothing different to before? That'll show them.
I seriously hope somebody goes full ISIS on Blizzcon. Out of 150k nerds there should be at least one man crazy enough to start the beta uprising.
Because Blizzard did the right thing as a business. Only edge lords would boycott this.
>>334337445
>Blizzard did the right thing
Are you literally retarded?
>>334337445
Doing the right as a business would mean creating vanilla server to meet the demand, which has been proven by Nostalrius to be quite big. But fucking blizzcucks would rather shot on everyone's plate and do everything to attempt to sell their garbage Legion.
>>334337227
While I never played on Nostralius myself, Mostly atuck with BC private servers my heart goes out to those people. They just wanna experience the great community and not dogshit retail anymore. Current WoW is single player shitfest while Vanilla actually required you to chat up with random people, form party groups and make long lasting friends.
>>334337553
You're clearly underage. If a business doesn't defend its copyright at every turn, it will lose it
>>334337420
A company's bad business practices don't warrant the deaths of the innocent people attending the con or even the devs for that matter. Stop being an edge-lord.
Besides if you're going to blame anyone blame Activision.
>>334337445
blizzard stole from me, I bought wow and I want to play wow not facebook cookie clicker garbage
>mfw when Blizzard servers got DDoS'd
>>334337445
>Shill detected
How much us Blizzard paying you for each post? Vanilla is abandonware and the server runned by donations, not Subscriptions.
>>334337790
Unlike the Nostalrius servers, the Blizzard servers will come back up
>>334337790
They were down for like 30 minutes
>>334337795
>the server runned by donations
>runned
Either underage or third world poorfag
Is this the equivalent of a chimpout?
>>334337227
i've been hating Blizzard since Diablo 3.
way before neo/v/ came in and spams/shills with daily WoW/Starcraft2/Diablo3/HoN threads
>>334337795
>Vanilla is abandonware
wat
>>334337745
Comparing WoW to cookie clicker is an insult to cookie clicker.
>>334337673
Defend what? Vanilla is fucking abandonware. Did they honestly think kicking a hornets nest of people that already despise them with retail would bump sales for fucking legion? If anything those 150 thousand people vilify Blizzard now and even more Nostralius servers will crop up as a huge fuck you to the greedy exec's and shareholders.
>>334337923
So was your mum
So somebody ran a private server and the actual company shut it down?
Are we supposed be mad for a company doing the right thing?
>>334337663
No Im sorry the active population of Nostalrius is grossly exaggerated for effect. There are not enough players for blizzard to devote resources and time to service a vanilla server. It's not worth it no matter how much you nostalgia fags want it to be.
>>334337963
Answer the question you fucking shill. How much is Blizzard paying you to defend their fucktarded C&D order?
>>334337227
Yall lost the high ground when you got lizzard to DDOS them.
I was on your side till you started that shit and acting like 2 year olds having a tantrum.
I thought I wanted to buy Legion, but I don't.
>>334338164
Shill is the excuse of someone who can't defend themselves. Stay mad though your shitty server got taken down.
they can just start over and make another one
>mfw i joined another private server after they shut nos down and its got shit fuck tons of people
>>334337663
>which has been proven by Nostalrius to be quite big
You mean that overly inflated 150k figure tossed around?
Even assuming ALL of them would transfer over to a theoretical official vanilla server, would that even be profitable? I don't think it's as easy as 150k x $10 = $$$$$$$$$$
>>334338378
Never played Nostalrius. Only BC private servers. But I wonder how long before you're paymasters decide to shut those down too and piss even more people off. You underaged Cata fuckers disgust me.Kid's like you are the reason stupid shit like facebook Garrisons and Selfies were added into retail.
>>334338639
>Kid's like you are the reason stupid shit like facebook Garrisons and Selfies were added into retail.
[citation needed]
>>334337982
No. It's the equivalent of Microsoft closing a high school computer lab because it was using Linux.
>>334338639
Kid I was playing MMOs while you were shitting your diapers. I've played wow since December 1st 2004. The only difference is i don't have nostalgia goggles welded to my face. So you can fuck right off with that kid bullshit you shit stain waste of life.
>>334338369
You really don't.
>>334338879
What the fuck did you just fucking say to me kiddo?
>>334338639
Why should they care if they piss off people who are never going to sub though? You act like Blizzard owes you something.
>>334338123
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
>>334338369
This. I've never played on a private server, ever. But I'm not going to buy any more Blizzard games because I don't like the way Blizzard treats its costumers.
The only way you can deflate the ego of these assholes is to hit them in the wallet. Hard.
>>334338984
I said you are a nostalgia cuck
>>334338228
>we collectively decided to do that
>all 800 thousand of us, without exception
I wouldnt hate vanilla servers but it will never happen
First of all the money, its not as simple as flipping a switch to an old version it will take a lot of time and effort to recode it all, they will need new servers, new GMs, new staff.
Secondly the players, to do this blizzard will HAVE to charge extra (on top of a wow sub) thats the only way to make it sustainable, lots of people play of private servers because its free, do you think the playerbase will actually be that large with an extra say $10 on top of a wow sub?
Third thing is that vanilla was good at the time but what will people do? You can only run MC for so long, the classes are unbalanced as fuck, if they fix that people will be mad its not vanilla enough, if they dont fix it people will be mad there class is shit
As i said, i wouldnt hate it but its a bad buisness choice.
>>334339094
>Nostalrius users
>Their customers
literally pick one kid.
>>334338014
Vanilla is an entirely different game from today's "WoW". And blizz do not wish to provide vanilla servers. So yeah, it's abandonware.
>>334339182
You may not have done it but you condone it because your an edgelord having a tantrum
So just a quick question: whats the likelyhood any other private servers get shut down? Im playing on a private WOTLK server and i really hope blizzard doesnt fuck us over too.
Like how fucking greedy can they be? Its not like people playing on private servers are just suddenly going to go play retail.
>>334339094
>play on a free to play server
>HURR THOSE PEOPLE ARE CONSUMERS
IT WAS MYYY PRIVATE SERVER
IT WAS MINE I PLAYED ON IT THEREFORE ITS IMMUNE TO LAW FUCKING BLIZZARD
what??? THERE WERE OTHER PRIVATE SERVERS SUED
yeah but this is DIFFERENT ITS MINE NOT THE OTHERS ITS THE BEST ONE EVER ITS MINE!!!
>>334339276
>inb4 shill's point out classic dungeons and few sprites 'Dur hur itz not abandonwaer see, protecting Copyrieghtz!!1'
>>334339301
>>334339287
You should stop playing WoW, scab. The strike is on and you're siding with the bossman.
>>334339187
so then why did they shut it down?
if they'll never make money off of people that want to play vanilla why the fuck did they shut it down?
>PC gamers once again embarrassing themselves
Vanilla is never returning. Let it go and move on. There's literally hundreds of other MMOs you could be playing right now, so why wait for something that will never happen?
>>334339341
I know you're baiting but it's fair to note that all the previous private servers that were actually sued were servers that operated with in-game gift shops, so they were actually making profit off of the server
>>334339215
>>334339302
Are you retarded?
>>334339394
who said i am subed? stop trying to deflect the fact that you are having an internet version of a screaming child tantrum.
>>334338228
>yall
>When you got lizzard to DDOS them
Yes because we totally decided to ask them to do so. that group does whatever
>>334339394
He's a cirpirate dick sucking Shill anon. He's paid to avoid logic and type out raw sewage to defend Blizzards actions.
>Dey dindu nuffin
>COPYRIGHT PROTECTION1!!1
>>334339458
Because the servers are illigal and copyright law says you need to defend you copyright or you lose it.
ITT: /v/ is the 1%
>that gets fucking laughed at
>>334339592
Copyright for Abandonware? You shills need to get better rebuttal's. Work harder for your Blizzard dollars.
>>334338052
A private server for a completely different old-ass version of the game that isn't officially available anymore
It'd be like DICE sending you a C&D for hosting a Battlefield 2 server now that the official servers are gone
>>334339341
people tend to react to things that affect them
things that don't affect them aren't as important because it doesn't disrupt their routines
good luck with the treatment for your position on the spectrum
>>334339558
You did know of it and condone it because your edgelords, you lost the high ground now your part of a group so angry that you hired a DDoS service to get back at the company that you stole from.
Imagine you are making bootleg Michael Jackson CDs, the lawyers of MJs estate tell you to stop or you will get sued
You defend yourself by saying "well he isnt making them anymore so i should be allowed to"
I get that its more complex than this but thats the general point.
>>334339536
Are youu? You do realize Blizzard didn't get any profits from Nostalrius right? I mean you understand the concept of a private server don't you?
>>334339592
Nothing illegal took place. Stop spouting this like you know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>334339723
>abandonware
>game is copyrighted world of warcraft
>when you log in it says "world of warcraft"
>zones and areas still have the same names as world of warcraft
>hehe lol abandonware :)
>>334339542
>if you don't like something that has happened, you should keep your mouth shut about it and just accept it like an adult
>any objection to anything is a tantrum
>>334339812
Are you fucking retarded? Hired a DDoS service? m8 what
Yes all 800k of us decided to do that. Stop pulling facts out of your ass man
>>334339953
>wants to "speak up" and show the "man"
Orders a DDoS service and then proclaims they have the high gound.
You know this hippy commie shit died at the end of the 60s right?
>>334339820
The guy making CDs is trying to profit and you can download music from internet anyway
Nost was free and there is no other way to play vanilla exactly as it was
>>334339951
It's allowed in a non-profit private server you fucking twit. The only way Blizzard would be in the right is if they were charging subscription fee's. But no it was donations only. And half of the shit in vanilla isn't used on retail anymore.
>>334339723
>rebuttal's
>>334339725
Which they can totally do. It doesn't matter how old it is, it's still their assets they made being used by someone else. They are within their right to stop it being used.No matter how hard to try to spin it it's completely legitimate. They don't want vanilla servers. End of story. IF people don't want to play the current game, fine but that's where the game is now they don't want any other iterations, it's not hard to comprehend.
>>334337227
Hey fucktard, how about you and other Nostalgia-fags just fund another type of Nostralrius?
Call it Astralius, or Dostralrius.
>>334338052
People are mad because they don't offer legacy servers so there's no way to legally play the game
>>334339276
According to Wikipedia:
>Abandonware is a product, typically software, ignored by its owner and manufacturer, and for which no product support is available. Although such software is usually still under copyright, the owner may not be tracking or enforcing copyright violations.
What we usually refer to as "vanilla" is an old version of a still running product, not one ignored or unsupported, and clearly they choose to track and enforce copyright violations.
I don't know if it would apply to that description unless you twist it real hard.
>>334340105
You may not have personally ordered it but the people did it in your name flying your colors you are just as guilty as them for not stopping them and stepping up and acting like adults.
>>334339842
You do realize it that by closing it, they are going to lose a fortune, right?
You do realize that a lot more people than were signed up for Nostalrius would PAY to play vanilla WoW and that the only reason Nostalrious signups were not in the Millions is because most of the people who want to play vanilla WoW are afraid that putting in the time to level a character is a huge risk because Blizzard is likely to take that character away from them after hours of effort and that if Blizzard opened a legitimate vanilla server and charged $20 dollars a month they could make $20,000,000 a month, right?
>turning down $240,000,000 a year because your too egotistical to admit you're wrong.
>>334340146
>not making money
>donations
Uhh ... if they make ANY money using Blizzards assets its a no go. They shouldn't accept any donations. IF they wanted to run the server they have to do it out of their own pockets.
>>334339898
Unless you have a law degree neither do you, i know enough to know that running a version of someone elses game that you can play for free is a breach of copyright, it doesnt matter if the game has changed its still world of warcraft and they own the copyright.
>>334337673
>doesn't defend its copyright at every turn, it will lose it
Wrong.
>>334340310
How the fuck do you use you're correctly and incorrectly in the same sentence?
>>334340310
The number of people playing on that server is grossly exaggerated and were only playing because it was free. Very few people are going to pay, especially pay extra to play Vanilla.
Why do the anti-legacy people keep trying to say it's only nostalgia and vanilla wasn't good? Were the thousands of people on Nost not actually having fun?
>>334340310
this
>>334340141
Even if he is doing it for free he is pirating it, they would be well within their rights to shut him down
>>334340146
>But no it was donations only.
most of the time when you donate to a private server, you get a reward in return. it's selling things under the guise of a donation.
>>334340469
They where not having the right type of fun m8
>>334337227
There's only one way to punish them for this.
We must crash ATVI.
They want to shill their game. I recommend we go to all financial forums. Where holders of ATVI may lurk, and post doomsday for it.
$25 by the end of the year. $15 in 2-3 years.
That will cause mass exodus from those shares. Share price landslide. Kottick owns 18% of those shares. That's multi-millions of dolalrs. His personal net worth drops, and he rues the day he decided to take down Nost.
>>334340469
Shills anon, shills and Catafags too young to experience WoW at it's prime.
>>334340469
A few thousand compared to millions? Yes its small and insignificant.
>>334340450
>were only playing because it was free
You are so fucking retarded. It's at the point were you're being intentionally obtuse.
THERE IS NO PAYMENT ALTERNATIVE. BLIZZARD ISN'T PROVIDING A PAYMENT OPTION.
>>334337445
>Because Blizzard did the right thing as a business.
Are you mad. Opening legacy servers would be the single biggest cash injection for Blizzard since SC2 launching. Its entirely shame and stupidity that they are NOT being a good business by releasing legacy.
>>334340310
>moving the goalposts
those people weren't customers, I never said anything about what hypothetical things Blizzard could do to make money. They were NOT customers and Blizzard was making NO money from that server. You can't deny that.
>>334337884
SAVAGE
>>334340568
Please reread the post you're replying to
>>334337673
Vanilla WoW became functionally abandonware the moment they released Cataclysm and heavily altered it.
>>334340548
Simultainously WoW and anytihng blizzard related must become the new Justin bieber.
Hated unanimously by most people. Thought of as pure junk.
A combination of this will Kill the blizzard.
>>334340469
more than half those people never played vanilla and wanted to experience it for themselves.
now they can have street cred by pretending they played back in 05.
>>334340562
Nostalgia fags anon, nostalgia fags and edge lords who just want some company to be mad at.
>>334340568
250K accounts that have logged in within the last two weeks doesn't seem insignificant anon.
>>334340597
>Look at me I know so much about business
>That's why I'm a wealthy business owner
>>334340658
>more than half those people never played vanilla and wanted to experience it for themselves.
That doesn't mean they weren't having fun
>>334340597
You;re grossly over estimating how many people want legacy servers.
>>334340562
This.
>>334340321
>Unless you have a law degree neither do you
>it takes a law degree to know something
It's protected under fair use you lean mean memeing machine.
>>334340579
Why would someone play to do content they've already done several times over. I mean maybe newfags who never played Vanilla but come on.
>>334340736
Are you basing this off of the MMOchampion poll
>>334340696
>>Look at me I know so much about business
You dont need to be a genius to look up every single MMO that has ever released legacy servers to see they have all been massive financial successes
>>That's why I'm a wealthy business owner
The irony here is I am. But I wouldn't pretend my business is the same as Blizzards. A distinction obviously lost on you.
>>334340469
They probably just feel lonely in their singleplayer barbie dress-up simulator and wants us to play with them
>>334340659
>Shill being salty
Nostalrius did absolutely nothing wrong and you're paymasters shit all over it and the community anyway. I fucking hope Legion flops hard and it will to the point Blizzard will 'Consider' and is 'Open' to the idea of Pre-Cata Legacy servers.
>>334340759
>protected under fair use
this thread has turned into memes once again
>>334340310
>$240,000,000 a year
I don't think it will reach such levels, to be honest.
Even if it will, I don't know to what extent would that even be profitable to them, in the short/long run I mean, I don't know much about economics.
But I believe if it really was as profitable as you think it might be, you should have it by some years ago already, Blizzard might be turbo-fags but they're moved by money.
>>334340658
>now they can have street cred by pretending they played back in 05
Oh no, we can't be having that. Think of the implications of someone pretending they played a videogame when they didn't It would be complete chaos.
>>334337227
>>"You think you do, but you don't..."
>playing a 1.12 server environment any longer than 2 years
>enjoying grinding resist gear and onyxia scales with vanilla bag sizes
>playing that horseshit snapshot of class balance for eternity
They were right to say it, and they're right to go after any private server more than a year old. Fuck NE hunters with aimed shot hiding on roads.
>>334340659
Lol Nostalgia doesn't last for that long and be as successful as Nostalrius.
Why don't you get a real job instead of shilling for blizz?
>>334338574
That's more than the amount of kids playign Heroes of the shitstorm, you cucklord senpai desu senpai dingdong
>>334340548
I think the best way to hit Blizzard in the wallet is simply a mass exodus from Wow.
Like EVERYONE unsubscribe. We could make being part of the Blizzard exodus a 9gag meme.
>only filthy casuals play Blizzard
>WoW might as well be FarmVille. No serious gamer would be caught dead playing a Blizzard game.
>>334340853
>oops I'm wrong again
FTFY
>>334340736
>You;re grossly over estimating how many people want legacy servers.
No, im not.
This entire year is retarded anti establishment faggots.
I blame Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
>>334340668
There is no hard proof of that. Just some info graph people have thrown together. That number keeps changing every week to try and make a point. Also 250k ( even if its not inflated) is not a lot compared to 5 million. Again those people are going to a free service there is no proof those "250k" people would pay to play vanilla.
>>334339820
>>334339187
Pretty much this
They wont make the servers and they have a right to shutdown piracy
>>334340806
Damn! That's the fifth wealthy business owner I've spoken to today. Seems like everyone here either owns a succesful business, is a doctor, engineer or CIA operator. How is 4chan filled with so many successful people?
>>334340951
>thinks I'm the same guy
>fair usage
>smug italian guy drinking apple juice
the memes are in full force tonight
>>334340792
Because WoW was never about the fucking content, it was an MMO that fostered multiplayer interaction.
This is the kind of thinking that lots 7 Million subs over the last 5-6 years.
We made an MMO where players can interact. I know let's make the 'content' better, clearly they're playing this game for the story.
Fuck off. Vanilla was good because it knew what it was. it was an MMO RPG. mediocre content, medicore story. Amazing massively co-operative game play experience.
>>334340837
>y-y-y-your a shill i cannot prove any point of imformation otherwise
Why would I boycott a company that makes fun games? Because I'm a nostalgiafag?
You autistic fucks need to learn to accept change
>>334340910
>my only retort is lol shill
Because I have played vanilla, and I know it's shit and grindy. I don't want to go through it again.
>>334337715
>A company's bad business practices don't warrant the deaths of the innocent people attending the con or even the devs for that matter.
That is entirely true.
Still, think how funny headlines would be.
>NOSTALRIUS SHUTDOWN
>HOW MANY MORE MUST DIE?
>>334341061
How much does Blizzard pay you per post and how many exec dick do you suck every day?
>>334340792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu-JMqNTn-M
>>334341001
>This entire year is retarded anti establishment faggots.
This isn't necessarily anti-blizzard. People want to play a game that does not exist anymore outside of private servers. There are no other alternatives. You literally cannot legally play any WoW that's not WoD.
People keep defending this by saying that it would be a massive strain on blizzards server network and wallet if they were to run a vanilla server, saying that they could not take a single abandoned retail server which pretty much goes for half servers they have and make it Vanilla, BC,WOTLK for gods sake they brought back Cataclysm raid/dungeons/timewalk as a response to nost being shut down but you show me one real wow player who wants to play cataclysm dungeons again. also 13+ months with no new content until Legion drops and the players are expected to sit there and raid what ever boss is in the last raid of WOD for that long I mean how can you still defend this company.
It make me sick to see such a decent company become such a lifeless husk of it's former self.
MFW people still defend their actions.
>>334340940
That's harder to do.
Convincing savvy buisnessmen that the buisness is heading downhill fast, when it is... is easier
than say convincing 14 year olds not to get bought by pretty CGI trailers and whine until their mom buys them the new CoD (i mean WoW).
>>334340960
Yes, you are. IF you're not show me proof that is not just some info graph someone whipped up. Show me inside numbers.
>>334341039
>Ad hominem
Back to the actual point at hand; RS also had a "small" group who wanted legacy servers.
RS07 is now nearly as successful as RS and has doubled Jagex profits.
Inb4 you try to claim the quantity difference in people is relevant. Anet already showed that server costs for supporting millions of players (and/or less) is negligible under subscription models. Even 100k on a vanilla legacy server would cover costs and generate profits, but we all know that the actual number of people who would play legacy would be far higher than that for any Blizzard game.
>>334341084
>MMOs should be about the social aspect
>I pay my $15 a month to hang out with my e-friends
>how dare blizzard put more effort into the gameplay, instead of catering to us lonely fags that need someone to group with while we kill ogres
>>334341210
Chinese gold farmer go and pls stay go, we don't need your filthy kind around here, or anywhere.
>thinking people who play on private servers aren't mostly filled with butthurt ex customers who have sworn they'll never give Blizzard money ever again and miscellaneous fags who just want to play an MMO for free
That's like someone who went vegan saying they're going to boycott meat and dairy.
>>334341214
I asked why retard. But I guess you don't have a good answer.
>>334341210
>I'll call him a shill because i'm gettin' e-wrecked by his superior internet fight game
>fair usage
How the F*CK do people have time for vanilla in this day and age?
I admit, I love WoD. It caters to my needs and fits my lifestyle perfectly.
>work from 9 till 5
>pull prepping in the evening
>just enough time to send my garrison followers on missions till I have to slurp out the black breeding love juice out of my wife
>>334340792
Vanilla Wow is much more social. The expansions took away key components the required social interactions in order to raid.
The whole point of playing an MMORPG is to make friends inside the gaming environment. WoW has completely lost that trait and those of us who play vanilla want it back.
>people whined about chinks and BRs constantly
>people whined about global pvp
>constant server shutdowns by chinks and brs
>massive REE posting anytime it happened
why do people miss this server again
>>334341254
>info graph someone whipped up. Show me inside numbers.
So you dont want actual numbers of private server users but you do want actual numbers of private server numbers.
You see how bias and stupid you are being here? Setting up a pointless argument just proves your inability to be unbias. Even if the 1 million accounts made in Nost alone had 90% bots thats still more than enough players to support a official legacy server.
>>334341271
Show me proof of these huge numbers of people willing to pay for legacy servers.
>>334337227
i play literally every blizzard game cept wow so i don't care
>>334337227
I would pay an extra 10 dollars a month for legacy servers with steady content progression
>>334339187
Besides the initial money, human resources and effort to re-establish Vanilla, the investment on the grand scale of things would pay itself back rather quickly. They can use already existing server networks, they can allocate willing GM's to their new project and give the job of datamining and recoding vanilla to some no-pay intern.
Once it releases, don't add dollarydoo costs to players who don't want it but make the vanilla players pay for it by asking them to pay a special vanilla fee to access those servers.
Then it's just a case of watching them eat shit until the world ends.
>>334341340
That was the answer. Clearly your are too stupid to comprehend it.
>>334341384
>The whole point of playing an MMORPG is to make friends
he's totally serious
>>334337445
>Only edge lords would boycott this.
I remember when the term edgy was used to refer to people who would burn their kittens alive that /b/ would dox, not just anyone who happens to call your favorite company out for being shitty.
>>334337673
>If a business doesn't defend its copyright at every turn, it would lose it.
Of course this isn't true. It's a bizarre claim.
I guess you're thinking about naked licensing, where a business that allows other companies to use its trademarks risks losing control of them if it doesn't make sure the trademark is being used correctly.
>>334340792
Why do people do the very same raid four times over in four different difficulty settings for over a year and praise it as "content"?
Some people just like to eat shit and other people like to play BC/vanilla, it's just the way things are.
>>334341298
>>thinking people who play on private servers aren't mostly filled with butthurt ex customers
I like Blizzards products. I want to play older versions of WoW and im willing to pay.
So you're objectively wrong.
What I dont understand about all this isnt actually Blizzard's stance on legacy, its /v/ and Blizzdrones. Why are you so against people spending money on legacy servers? Its more money for Blizzard on a product they dont have to support with content, all they have to do is pay a small set up cost and maintenance, both covered by sub fees easily. Why are YOU so against others playing legacy? You have modern WoW, play that.
>>334340930
>Heroes of the shitstorm
Isn't the revenue model from that game different than that of an MMO?
If so, you can't compare using total number of players, as it doesn't really affect it because F2P whales are a thing, I would assume they also generate money through tournaments and esports bullshit.
>>334341463
I am.
>>334341384
It's dead. It's never coming back. If you want a social experience join a raiding guild. Don't get pissy because Blizz gave alternatives for people that didn't like the fucking hastle that was forming groups for dungeons/raids.
>>334341375
I work 45 hours a week while going to the gym 3 nights and 2 nights, and I got to level 47 on Nost before it closed. I only had around 6 days played in game.
>>334341414
>>Inb4 you try to claim the quantity difference in people is relevant
You didnt even read my post, why should I take you seriously.
>>334341281
So you want to pay 15 US DORRA for a singleplayer game that for some reason is marketed as an MMO?
>>334341375
epic falseflag
>>334337227
It's shitty as hell, but I don't care about Blizzard.
Actually I guess that means I'm already boycotting them. You're welcome.
>>334340158
>hurr I can't read
Nobody is arguing that they aren't allowed to, all that's being discussed here is how cunty and pointless it is. Anyone who's going to go out of their way to consistently play BF2 is someone who doesn't like where series has gone with 4 and Hardline so it sapping customers really isn't an argument, and if they refuse to provide a service but stop others from doing it for free people are going to get pissed off and keep doing it anyways.
It's the same idea with WoW. Nost's community was either old players who unsubbed ages ago and will never sub again because they hate what the game has turned into, or already subscribed retail WoW players who are also playing Nostalrius on the side to see what it was like.
I've been 'boycotting' them for nearly a decade now.
Anyone who still cares about Blizzard after the Activision merger and most of Blizzard North left deserves this shit.
>>334341546
>pissy because Blizz gave alternatives for people that didn't like the fucking hastle that was forming groups for dungeons/raids.
An alternative has no affect on the original. LFG is not an alternative, it was a game changing addition.
fyi
>>334341593
>WoW isnt an MMO
>its massive, filled with content still
>multiplayer, obviously dungeons, pvp, and raids are all multiplayer
>online
>hurr
>roleplaying
>check moonguard
>game
pretty sure its an MMORPG still
>>334341390
No I want actual proof, as in from the source visual data. Like how many accounts are tied to the same IP/customer, how many played for more than a week. Tangible data, not "oh we totally have 1 million accounts, I mean 250k active ones no I uhh mean its 150 people in the last few weeks" you chuckle fuck. We're also taking about a free service, all you people are thinking 150k free players are going to pay money for the same thing, and I'm highly doubting that.
>>334341281
>I literally have no idea how MMO works: the post
>>334341546
You so wrong it's funny.
As I type this I am playing Vanilla wow on a new private server. My toon is already level 19.
>>334341507
You keep remaking the same fucking thread you'll keep getting the same fucking responses.
>>334341684
Yeah because it meant people could actually get shit done in a timely manner.
>>334341271
Just taking what works for one MMO and slapping it on another one with a completely different business plan isn't guaranteed to work. You think Blizzard is allergic to money or something? I guarantee you the issue has come up in a board meeting somewhere at some point and discussed by people with access to more information and a better understanding of the overall direction of the company than you or I.
Ignoring cries for legacy servers isn't a decision they came to just to piss off their customers. They obviously have some sort of plan and whatever it is will almost certainly make more money than you or I will ever see in our lives. Hell maybe they're planning to make WoW fail on purpose to clear the way for their other products.
But to think that you have better insider knowledge of one of the biggest gaming companies on earth than the company itself is just obnoxious and arrogant.
>>334341593
it's only singleplayer because you choose to play it that way
>the game doesn't force us to group
and? if you want "friends", go out and find them yourself. I have literally 70+ people on my friends list that I can group with to run shit together.
>they're not on the same server
who the fuck cares
>>334341704
>Like how many accounts are tied to the same IP/customer, how many played for more than a week
So why your logic modern WoW has no users because we dont have any viable statistics on population count.
You're being massively hypocritical and bias.
>>334341652
I'm one of the guys who tried Nost while having an active sub on retail. Of course I canceled my sub after playing three months on Nost because why the fuck would I play WoD if I can play classic instead.
>>334341546
>Don't give pissy because Blizzard effectively killed the MMO genre as we knew it
lol
>>334341686
>he sits in his garrison
>clicks NPC's and tell them to get shit for me
>h equeues up for raids, dungeons or pvp
>no one talks in chat, ever
where is the logistics??
>>334340469
no. they were only being deluded by their nostalgia. if they were to try out Legion™ they would discover true fun.
>>334341463
>The whole point of playing an MMORPG is to do everything in your power to avoid the massive amount of multiplayer online players
Really?
Try some human interaction once in a while
ITT: But blasted Blizzard employees in panic mode.
>>334341739
Good for you. I've played since vanilla and I don't ever want to go back to it. I like the progression the game has gone through and its hilarious the stubbornness people have towards this issue.
What other MMO do people petition and get in a bitchfest over because its not the game they played 10 years ago?
>Everyone playing a free private server is a guaranteed sale for a subscription model
inb4 people donated, I know, it probably still wouldn't make money. I don't like WoW or Blizzard, I don't give a fuck about these nerds either way, but come on.
>>334341652
So its cunty and pointless but they did it, get over it. They want the game how it is now and not how it was then, you're obviously not their target customers anymore-move on.
>>334341823
>and? if you want "friends", go out and find them yourself.
>it's only singleplayer because you choose to play it that way
The fact that it's even an option undermines the whole point of MMO games you fucking dunce
You are literally the cancer killing MMOs
>>334337445
>space between edge and lord
SHILLS GET OUTTTT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>334341959
You're a shill and it's obvious. It isn't possible for anyone who has played wow to have that opinion without having been paid to form it.
Kill yourself.
>>334341281
Why not just play skyrim?
Better questing, better graphics, better combat. content is better.
>>334341959
No other MMO has had as many players as WoW. You can't compare the fanbase to any other MMO. It would be like if Square made it illegal to play anything other than the newest Final Fantasy game.
>>334341959
>What other MMO do people petition and get in a bitchfest over because its not the game they played 10 years ago?
None because other MMO companies don't actively shut down legacy servers while refusing to host their own. Even fucking Sony has sanctioned the Everquest 1999 server
>>334341746
Firstly, didnt make this thread.
Second, I asked WHY they respond like they do.
>>334341786
This is such horrid and flawed logic. Game designers are entirely known for their terrible business practices and Blizzard is no different. You're talking about a company that missed out on the single largest esport scene OF ALL TIME by failing to capitalize on DOTA, and then proceeded to murder a decade long dedicated custom scene by strangling it with SC2 regulations. Its also a company that has seen massive drops in its main title and two flops of an expansion in a row for its main game.
Dont pretend Blizzard has any actual idea on what they are doing beyond the average person because even /v/ could see obvious shit as being profitable well before Blizzard acted on it. Blizzard is people too, and they make mistakes. Not releasing legacy is one of them.
>>334341827
They're not trying to defend themselves. You people want this so bad, prove there is a market for it. You're being obstinate as fuck because you cannot show any evidence. It;s YOUR burden to prove you deserve this not Blizzards or mine.
God you retards are insufferable
>>334341964
>ignorant, uneducated, pointless zero-content post
>>334341960
I like how the goalpost moved from
>b-but you don't REALLY want to play vanilla, it's shit!
to
>b-but you don't REALLY want to pay for it!
after 800k accounts shoved the shit right into Blizzcuck faces
>>334341823
So you actually play queue simulator and love it? Holy fuck.
And I do care if the player I group up with isn't on the same server because there's no consequence for acting like a retarded faggot. If you acted like a retarded faggot eventually you'd get your shit slapped collectively by the community. Now retards are allowed to fester because they press queue button and retards like you add them to their friends list.
>>334341902
i see people talk in chat frequently
>i can do old quests
>old dungeons
>go try for rare mounts
>go farm
>play arenas
>play battlegrounds
>queue
but yeah i agree garrisons are fucking retarded
theres no doubt the game is more "massive" than it was in vanilla though
>>334337227
You think you don't repost, but you do.
>>334337445
they did what they had to do shutting down nostalrius
however they are incredibly arrogant and short-sighted resisting so much the idea of legacy servers when there is a proven audience for it
at this point it boils down to "we don't want to admit we fucked up and everything after wotlk is shit"
>all this Butt Hurt
relax guys, it's just a video game :)
>>334342157
The irony.
>>334337227
Why should i care?
Both are shit and you guys just love to shipost anyway. FUCK YOU GUYS AND FUCK WOW AND ITS STOCKHOLM SYNDROME FANS!!
>>334341902
>he sits in garrison
Nope, I do my garrison stuff and then leave to do other shit
>clicks NPC's and tell them to get shit for me
That is what you do in a garrison, yeah
>queues up for content in the game
I raid with my guild, do dungeons with my guild, and don't pvp
>no one talks in chat, ever
My server is pretty populated and /world is always full of people chatting
Your points don't apply to me, or majority of the WoW community. Unless you are on a dead server, there is plenty of people talking.
>>334342137
There are two groups of people in this thread. To which of them are you applying that insult?
>>334342171
>goalposts
It's my first post in the thread, chill out nerd. I'm just feeding off the buttrage of all these players, maybe they're right, maybe Blizzard's right, but everything Blizzard has ever done and their culture shows they'll never do something like this.
I'm drinking your autism as you read this.
>>334342280
You're a moron.
>>334342171
>one info graph with no proof
>i cant believe no one believes us
>>334342129
> You people want this so bad, prove there is a market for it. You're being obstinate as fuck because you cannot show any evidence. It;s YOUR burden to prove you deserve this not Blizzards or mine.
I have, but you are continuously being biased and setting up impossible baseless criteria in an attempt to prove there is no market before anyone can claim or prove otherwise. Even 50k players would be enough to cover legacy servers costs and it is literally impossible for Blizzard to not get that number of players. EVERY single example of legacy servers has done better than expected. Nost alone had 1 million accounts and 68k active users.
Whatever, im done with you. Convincing one jaded idiot of the obvious is not going to change anything.
>>334342242
This thread has never been posted before.
>>334342110
>Not releasing legacy is one of them
As much as I'd love to have legacy realms they would be a dumb business decision. Sure, they would gain a lot of players but how on earth would Blizzard sell their 49€ addons every year on top of mounts, pets, level boosts and all the like if people just kept playing vanilla, bc or wotlk?
>>334342235
>>i can do old quests
>>old dungeons
>>go try for rare mounts
>>go farm
are there's any multiplayer actions going on in these singleplayer activities?
>>play arenas
>>play battlegrounds
>>queue
functionally singleplayer which my comment about no one talking in chat was aimed at, literally no one bothers to talk during LFR, RDF or random BG
>>334342363
I have a server.
>>334341384
>tanking brd
>healer is cheerful and fun
>shes says we should add eachother to do more dungeons later
>my first friend since I started playing
>server shuts down next day
Thanks blizzard...
>>334342409
People who want to play on modern will play on modern. People who want to play on legacy, don't play modern.
These are two very simple realities.
>dumb business decision.
Making money is not a dumb business decision
>>334342365
Even the most diehard Blizzdrones on the official forums don't question that infograph.
Don't be stupid f@m
>>334342171
>first it was 150k accounts
>now it's 800k
>>334337227
>Why aren't you boycotting Blizzard /v/. Are you really going to let them get away with this?
I haven't bought anything from Blizzard since like... 2011 or 2012. Not out of some moral purpose though, everything they've put out this decade has been pure shit. I can't comprehend how people still enjoy WoW.
>>334341463
Lol go back to skyrim if you want single player content.
He's right. WoW had ONE thing going for it. It was a game that fostered community and player interaction.
WoW was SHIT at content, SHIT at story, and SHIT at combat. Back in 2004, AND today. It simply cannot compete with games like the witcher 3 for storyline and combat.
It's only strength was that it was a game that fostered community interaction. It sold it's only strength to try to compete with games it had no business competing with.
The developers and lead designers are to blame for this soley. They made this massive miscalculation.
>>334342369
No you have come at me with anecdotal evidence and hearsay but continue on your soapbox. Also you don't know the meaning of jaded apparently so watch who you're calling an idiot there pal.
Why blame blizzard? Blame the constant amount of shills and streamers like sodapoppin who streamed and advertised that server.
>Blizz shut down Nost meme
They didn't. Show me proof they did. Because the actual talk on the ACTUAL Nost forums is either:
1. They weren't paying the server bill, cancelled donation links, then demanded people paid the server bill (via donations) directly to the server provided; who in turn did not accept $1 or $5 or $10 but wanted $100's+ per donation minimum, as such, nobody paid. People went "oh just have one person set up an account and we donate to them, then they pay the bill in one go" and that didn't happen because "they'll just scam us".
OR
2. The apparent C&D letter, which there is 0 (ZERO) proof of existing (there is nothing against the law just photographing it and uploading it) was sent by a rival private server who wanted the players from Nost themselves.
So, until they ACTUALLY provide proof of a C&D, then stop fucking blaming Blizz for what amounts to "W-w-we totes for realzies got told to s-s-stop! E-ee-vil B-blbliz r-r-right?" Despite Blizzard not saying anything about it.
>>334342515
And people who make the decision can't comprehend that there is a difference between retail and vanilla and the guys who like to play vanilla won't sub to WoD/Legion no matter what.
>Boycotting blizzard
Just bought a year wow sub just for you, anon.
>>334342546
800k total, 150k active.
>>334337227
Real talk
Any other private servers to play that are pre-cataclysm? Anything pre-cata is good.
>>334342542
Uh huh. I'm sure.
>>334342546
800k accounts, 150k active "the last 10 days"
>>334341823
70 people? YOu mean you've added everyone on your server?
>>334342707
>implying WoTLK is good
I gonna shove the ulduar's dick up yours.
>>334342636
>No you have come at me with anecdotal evidence and hearsay but continue on your soapbox.
Dont pretend your arbitrary 'argument' was based on any logic. You told me to stand in fire while naked and not get burned and then shouted I was "wrong" for being unable to satisfy your impossible requirements.
So Ill just finish on this; Since Wrath people have wanted legacy, MMO server costs are cheap in comparison to sub fees, Nost was the biggest legacy server of all time and legacy players numbers have only been increasing (1 million accounts alone on Nost), there has never been an unsuccessful legacy server.
Those are facts, now you go jump into that arbitrary fire you built around yourself and burn.
>>334342670
Nice conspiracy theory, not enough aliens/illuminati though. Work on it.
>>334342764
70+ people so maybe there's a couple of bots on his friend list too.
All this whining has made me decide to reactivate my WoW sub. Thanks /v/. Need tog et a few more level 100s before Legion.
>>334342678
There isn't anything we can do to you that would be worse than what you've already done to yourself.
>>334342836
>first it was 800k accounts
>then it was 1 mil
>>334342670
>2. The apparent C&D letter, which there is 0 (ZERO) proof of existing (there is nothing against the law just photographing it and uploading it) was sent by a rival private server who wanted the players from Nost themselves.
I think if it wasn't real Blizzard would have come out saying they didn't actually send anything.
>>334342929
snek
>>334342636
>jaded apparently so watch who you're calling an idiot there pal.
>continuously tells other that old WoW was shit and you dont want to play it
You're jaded.
>>334342852
Where is the proof? Again. There is no law against showing the legal letter they recieved. Yet they didn't. They haven't. Why?
Yet there is 100% undeniable proof that they removed donation links on their forum BEFORE this happened. There is 100% undeniable proof that the server hoster wanted large donations, not small ones. Meaning few people paid.
Why are you denying facts? Do you actually go on the fucking forums? They removed the donation links then said "go straight to the provider". So you do and they want huge chunks. Nobody is dropping $100 on a server.
>supporting Blizzard after 2006
>>334342929
>unironically cucking yourself
>"H-ha.. thanks!"
>>334343003
>Nost shut down
Oh yea??? Prove it!
>nostfags cucked out of their own server
is there any bigger cuckold other than polcucks?
>>334342235
>>334342314
>theres no doubt the game is more "massive" than it was in vanilla though
not at all
more content =/= more massive
with so much content, focus on instancing and several dead servers, the population playing the game gets too dispersed to generate any feel of community and massiveness
wow now feels like a lobby game instead of a living breathing world
the reason people still love vanilla is because it was a simpler, more compact game, in which you had to walk from place to place, in which buying your first mount actually meant something, where you'd actually encounter people while questing, where ganking and world pvp actually took place (gee wee god forbi unrestricted player interaction!)
if they managed to extend the pvp and pve endgame of wow vanilla via some horde vs. alliance system, I'd be rather happy playing it forever over whatever 300 million dollars wow expansion they could come up with
>>334342954
Actually. They wouldn't. Denying they did anything would be them going to their shareholders "lol, we don't shut down people using our products illegally!" and confidence would plummet. They've not come out with a PR statement explaining why they did it either.
Yet these people have not provided evidence of the C&D. We have their word on it.
Yet it is a 100% undeniable fact, that server payment was a problem. They removed donation links (so your $1 didn't go into a big pot) and demanded to paid directly to the server host.
You'd never suceed in business. This is the PERFECT get out clause.
>Can't afford server
>Get people to donate big chunks when they're invested
>People don't cause they're use to it being free
>Know server is going to shut down
>End up saying the reason is that, despite ALL THIS FUCKING TIME BEING UP, they got a C&D RIGHT FUCKING THEN telling them to end it
No. That's completely unlogical.
>>334343180
Wod's poorly coded for private servers
theres a huge wotlk one i think its molten wow or something
>>334342950
>implying a 200k difference means anything
Even a small number of players would be enough to cover server and maintenance costs.
And we are talking about Blizzard, a company who does not have a single game that doesnt go into the hundreds of thousands of players.
And we are also talking about the single most successful MMO of all time releasing legacy servers to the most successful period of MMO growth of all time.
To pretend legacy wouldnt attract hundreds of thousands if not millions of accounts is absolutely insane.
>>334342836
Those are not facts just because you say they are facts sir. You keep pulling these "Facts" out of your ass with no proof and expect me to eat that shit up and I'm not. Take your bullshit arguments with you and take a hike off a short pier.There are not enough people to warrant a server plus staff for a legacy server now until you can prove otherwise with some actual data you didn't pull out of your ass or someone elses ass then you can shut the fuck up, okay? Okay. Have a nice day.
>>334343003
>Where is the proof? Again. There is no law against showing the legal letter they recieved. Yet they didn't. They haven't. Why?
Because
>Dont show letter
>IT DOESNT EXIST
>show letter
>ITS FAKE
You're an idiot who will deny deny deny no matter what
>>334343280
>Those are not facts just because you say they are facts sir.
Not him but literally everything he said is true. Why dont you prove there isnt anyone who wants to play on legacy instead? Oh wait you cant because there are literally hundreds of thousand of people who have been asking for years now.
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