What's your favorite buttrock song from the sonic series and why is it live and learn?
>>334311520YOU KNOW
EVERY WORLD WILL HAVE IT'S END
Live and Learn is hair metal with buttrock-esque lyrics, not buttrock through-and-through.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ZVFCi6ACcw
>Open your heart
>and you will see
Why do people insist with saying the entire franchise sucked solely because Sonic 06 exists? We don't tar other franchises like that. What makes this franchise so fucking special?
this song makes me feel so happy and free as normie as that sounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2pfNiBp-0o
>>334311520
City Escape is the GOATest.
What exactly is buttrock, and how is it different from regular rock
Escape from
Jungle or whatever it's called is the best track from SA2 and the best track of any 3D sonic ever. Fuck you guys. Fight me.
>>334313054
Is there one on when they are in the space ship and keep talking over each other?
>>334313558
Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 had a lot of problems, even when they released. Though mostly related to the camera and how characters can control in tighter spots.
Sonic Heroes and Shadow The Hedgehog were not games you'd expect from a studio as famous as Sega. The only thing polished about them were the character models (that's a joke about how shiny they were), too much of the game design was poorly copy and pasted (you can literally fall through segments of the levels where they weren't copy and pasted properly). Although Heroes and Shadow were significantly weaker titles than both Adventures, they were both at least still playable. They're the games that hurt Sonic's reputation, especially during a time when Sega was almost going bankrupt before Sammy bought them.
You also have to remember how awful the Rush and Sonic 4 titles were. Between 2004 and 2010, there wasn't a single good Sonic game.
Sonic Unleashed was half good, but the Werehog decision butchered the other half, on top of the fucking medallion collecting that was required to continue the story. Might have been better received if you played as Knuckles instead (would have made far more sense), but after 06 Sega was hard-set on making a game where you only played as Sonic.
Secret Rings and Black Knight were worse than Shadow.
>>334313792
Something tells me you've seen me post these before.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0rbqUkxKmK1
>>334311520
>why is it live and learn?
Except it isn't.
This is objectively the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mCdgRD7poc
>>334314000
>You also have to remember how awful the Rush and Sonic 4 titles were.
>Sonic Rush
>bad
I hope you made a mistake and meant something else.
>>334314000
Weren't all the games released in the same era by Nintendo nitpicked to hell and back, too?
"WAAH MARIO SUNSHINE IS ABOUT PEEING ON PEOPLE AND TOOK AWAY MY LONG JUMP" "WAAH METROID ISNT A CASTLEVANIA GAME AND TAKES FOREVER TO BEAT" "WAAH CELDA IS UGLIER THAN THE CD-I" "WAAH STARFOX ASSAULT IS TRYING TOO HARD"
>>334314351
Nope. There's a reason why everyone was calling it Sonic Rushed and the sequel sold like, 1/4 as many copies. Sonic Colors DS didn't even record how few it sold, lol
>>334314362
>Celda
Oh god, another person on /v/ over the age of 16
>>334314429
>There's a reason why everyone was calling it Sonic Rushed
This is bait.
ROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND
Open Your Heart > Live & Learn.
But Green Forest is my top SA2 track easy.
>>334314429
>everyone was calling it Sonic Rushed
No they weren't.
>>334314000
i never finished it but you know what, secret rings had kinda cool level design and that theme song was pretty nice for the first minute at least.
>>334313664
>>334314592
This.
I played that level thousands of times back to back over and over again.
>>334314523
Good things about Sonic Rush;
>Music
>Special stages
>Boss fights
>Blaze The Cat
Bad things;
>Everything else
Rancid level designs, a pace too fast to accurately see what's coming (worse than Sonic Advance 2), terrible enemy placement, getting locked in rooms until you beat every enemy, the game is just not fun to play. The Sonic Generations 3DS version of one of its levels was better.
Rush Adventure > Rush
>>334314523
>>334314754
>Being this underage
You guys even play the game? It was a handheld Sonic 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCGiEIncR7w
In fact Sonic 4's biggest complaints were all prevalent in Rush, people were mad that DIMPS was making Sonic 4.
>>334314000
>>Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 had a lot of problems, even when they released. Though mostly related to the camera and how characters can control in tighter spots.
And yet, they still manage to be a ton of fun in spite of their numerous problems and general jank.
>>334314943
Because spinning apparently doesn't exist in your mind.
>>334315135
>Sonic Rush
>Spinning
Go get your copy right this fucking minute and tell me what happens when Sonic rolls into a ball while going downhill.
You probably won't believe it.He fucking SLOWS TO A STOP. The game assumes you're holding the dash button the entire time and never roll.
>>334315048
Is this supposed to demonstrate anything? It's just various cherrypicking and deliberate attempts to make the game look bad.
>>334311520
>All the 14 year old kids on /v/ will never know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIpCMuJhl5w
New fags for days
Why is it called buttrock?
>>334311520
>and why is it live and learn?
But it's not, that song is AWFUL.
Everybody knows that White Jungle is where it's at.
>>334315407
I like the bass at the end. Dunno what you would call that shit though.
>>334315363
>There are people who prefer toot toot sonic warrior over this
I don't understand people sometimes.
>>334315363
toot sonic warrior > sonic boom
>>334315363
>mfw 10 years old and watching that sweet vid over and over.
>>334315251
No he doesn't. If it wasn't able to keep up speed, they'd never release the game.
You can't just say "SONIC 06 SUCKS" and call that your argument, jackass.
>>334315504
White Jungle is pretty D&B to me.
>>334315407
Green Forest is way more hype though, specially in the context of the level it plays in the story.
>>334315048
>Handheld Sonic 4
That's not Sonic Advance.
>>334315554
>You can't just say "SONIC 06 SUCKS" and call that your argument, jackass.
But in Sonic '06s case, that's a perfectly valid argument. It factually sucks like how you factually breathe air
>>334315542
Fuck off and die, Roriconfan. Throw yourself into an incinerator and know that nobody will miss you when you're dead.
>>334315723
The soundtrack is pretty good though.
>>334315723
You're fucking unreasonable.
I would rather play every Sonic game ever made than anything released in the past 3 years.
>>334315730
>Roriconfan
A what?
>>334315907
He's calling them a pedo.
>>334315554
>No he doesn't
So you actually grabbed your copy of Sonic Rush and tested it out, then? Because it's exactly what he fucking does, you little lying shit.
>If it wasn't able to keep up speed, they'd never release the game.
Funny because they had no problems releasing 06, Unleashed, Sonic 4, Secret Rings, Black Knight, Generations 3DS, basically any Sonic game that isn't Colors or Generations.
>>334315630
>Sonic Advance
>Sonic 4
Fuck you, don't even joke.
>>334315843
The only thing I remember from the soundtrack is Solaris
>>334316010
No, I'm calling them a faggot who needs to get shivved in the face and his corpse displayed to the entire internet as incentive to start a war with the Balkans.
>>334315853
>He actually wants to play Sonic Boom
>>334315853
>Sonic 06 is a bad game
>This is an unreasonable opinion
Oh god, 06 apologists actually exist
>>334315554
>If it wasn't able to keep up speed, they'd never release the game.
They released Sonic Boom, so there goes that argument
>>334311520
>Crush 40
>Buttrock
kys you shitter
you don't know what real buttrock is
>>334316159
It's just really glitchy Lego Star Wars with Sonic characters in it. Hardly what I'd call means to commit genocide against Sega.
>>334311931
I'M HERE TO PROVE IT ALL TO YOU
>>334313558
>Why do people insist with saying the entire franchise sucked solely because Sonic 06 exists?
Nobody does(except retards)
Most people agree that he went downhill when he went 3D...Sonic just doesn't transition well on 3D
>>334316403
>Sonic just doesn't transition well on 3D
Explain.
>>334316403
Sure he does.
Just because Sega has been bad at implementing him, it doesn't mean a good transition isn't possible. They've had plenty of ideas that almost worked, but shit like the camera/level design/objectives got in the way.
>>334313707
Vaguely Christian band name to trick strict patents into letting kids buy their albums
Extremely generic, formulaic song structure
Post grunge tone
Boilerplate lyrics about love and not giving up
If more nu metal than grunge, literally every song is in a bebop minor scale (the most infamous example being Godsmack)
>>334316170
Sonic 06 was bad, that's a foregone conclusion.
But for fuck's sake, at least it crashed and burned while trying to do something. It's just unfair to label that game with shit like "THE EXISTENCE OF THIS GAME MEANS EVERYTHING SEGA HAS EVER DONE BEFORE OR AFTER THIS GAME WAS MADE IS HENCEFORTH A SIN AGAINST GOD, AND MUST BE MOCKED FOREVER UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH".
>>334316403
How about you give actual reasons instead of just stealing fallacious arguments from others?
>>334316580
No one does that though.
The problem is that they keep putting out bad Sonic games.
>>334316403
The boost games are the closest to SOnic working in 3D. Really, just make levels less automated overall and make the levels more like racetracks with multiple shortcuts.
>>334316580
Relax, no one actually does that.
>>334316580
Have you played your copy of Sonic Rush yet?
Are you still denying Sonic slows down while spinning downhill?
>>334316739
The existence of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_gJwXxshQ proves otherwise
Knight of the Wind is the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29TGL71pv4
I liked the original Seven Rings in Hand for some reason too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPVMHomdKfA
>>334316709
Sonic Adventure 2 had the best gameplay mechanics so far, it's just a matter of having level designs and a camera that fit it.
Hacking Knuckles into Sonic and Shadow's levels really lets you appreciate how good his gameplay is. It just sucks he's restricted to hunting treasure in small hub levels instead of getting to run and glide around in an actual course.
>>334315363
I doubt anyone considers this buttrock tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JEHCmSEVx8
>>334315363
the music is the only thing good about SCD
>>334311520
I feel like I'm the only person who enjoyed this game but also didn't like Live and Learn.
I prefer Open Your Heart, actually
>>334317071
Grow up.
>>334316871
How do SA2's level-designs not work for the gameplay? They're literally designed around it.
>It just sucks he's restricted to hunting treasure in small hub levels instead of getting to run and glide around in an actual course.
There's a reason why Death Chamber is my favorite treasure-hunting level.
>>334316059
>Fuck you, don't even joke.
I think he's referring to Advance 1 being more of a true Sonic 4 than the actual shitty Sonic 4 we got
>>334316382
I AM WHO YOU DON'T THINK I AM.
>>334316476
>>334316541
>>334316689
>>334316709
Delusional fucks pls go
If Naka and his team couldn't make Sonic fun in 3D noone can
>>334317328
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
You do realize posting response to multiple posts just makes you look like an idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mPkze9AEs
Or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ7Keyb6ZN4
Good shit
>>334317190
Many levels aren't wide or varied enough. Each stage, at max, had one slight alternate path.
The only levels that play smoothly, and still have issues here and there, are City Escape and Radical Highway. Metal Harbor also gets an honorable mention.
Stuff like Green Forest and White Jungle are where the camera fucks up the most.
>>334316854
>Knight of the Wind is the best
Yes.
It always bums me out that the best music is in the worst games.
>>334317328
You do realize this is all while under Sega's retarded budgets and deadlines, right?
Sega is not a company that accepts delays. They release games the state they're in when the deadline comes, no matter what. Just look at, well, Sonic 2006, it's the best example of this.
>>334317617
>Each stage, at max, had one slight alternate path.
And that's supposed to be a problem?
>Stuff like Green Forest and White Jungle are where the camera fucks up the most.
No they don't.
>>334317641
Black Knight wasn't that bad
>>334317764
secret rings sucked
never played black knight but i doubt it would be worse than secret rings
>>334317617
>Many levels aren't wide or varied enough. Each stage, at max, had one slight alternate path.
How are these issues?
>The only levels that play smoothly, and still have issues here and there, are City Escape and Radical Highway. Metal Harbor also gets an honorable mention.
What are you talking about? All the levels play smoothly except Final Chase.
>>334317764
BLACK KNIGHT KILLED A MILLION MEN ON AUGUST 1914
BLACK KNIGHT KILLED MY DOG AND RAPED MY FAMILY
>>334317898
>not raped your dog and killed your family
its like hes not even trying
>>334317761
>And that's supposed to be a problem?
For a supposed Sonic title? Ya.
>>334317719
No
Naka and his team had like 2-3 games to get it right and they couldn't
Naka is also responsible for '06
Even if that game wouldn't have been rushed it would have been shitty
>>334318017
What does being a Sonic title have to do with "Each stage, at max, had one slight alternate path" being a bad thing?
>>334317617
Final Rush is the best level in the game
>>334318134
How about playing the games that made the character/series famous in the first place and find out shithead?
>>334318102
>No
Okay so was Naka responsible for Colonial Marines too and every other shitfest Sega pumped out half-baked?
Are you seriously denying the shit budgets and deadlines Sega enforced? Doesn't matter who's working on what when the conditions are garbage, champ.
I like how quickly this thread went from, "All Sonic games are garbage and Sonic doesn't work in 3D" to, "Every Sonic stage is flawless and smooth"
You can tell when the fanboys muscle out the hatemates
>>334318332
All the games have basically had the same scheme of one or two routes through the level.
>>334318339
>Okay so was Naka responsible for Colonial Marines too
Colonial Marines was hardly Sega's fault, Gearbox fucked them over.
>>334318134
>How is removing something that's prevalent and enjoyed in all other installments a bad thing?
Even fucking Unleashed/Colors/Generations had multiple paths in their levels (minus Werehog, that shit was linear and tedious as fuck)
>>334318639
Unleashed, not really.
Colors and Generations, though, had a bit too many pointless branches.
>>334318554
And 06 was hardly Naka's fault, Sega fucked him and his team over.
I think you might have missed the whole fiasco surrounding NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams. The devs who quit Sega suring development had no qualms with throwing all of Sega's dirty laundry into the street for everyone to see. Long story short, since 1999 Sega has been giving all of their teams shit funds and shit deadlines. They also come in to meddle/interfere all the fucking time but never offer additional resources or time for devs to make the changes they demand.
>>334311520
all of knuckles "hey im black" super cool rap music bro
>>334318821
>In an attempt to defend Sonic Adventure 2's lack of alternate paths, suggests alternate paths are pointless
Fox meet grapes
>>334311520
Jun Senoue is the fucking Beethoven of buttrock. Seriously, he took a totally ridiculous style and elevated it musically to amazing places, all while preserving the fun. No actual buttrock band has even come close to what he did for a game.
>>334318983
Pointless because all the branching paths tended to lead towards dead ends or high jumps to get collectibles.
>>334319076
>Pointless because all the branching paths tended to lead towards dead ends or high jumps to get collectibles.
Not talking about dead ends and shit, we're talking about actual alternate paths that give you a different way of traversing. Don't act like a retard less you become one.
>>334318926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dW4UgE5mhY
>>334319410
They all lead to dead ends and dumb collectibles
>>334319545
I'm half suspecting you think the white hub world for Generations IS the entire game, the way you're describing the alternate paths.
>>334318983
I'm not the guy you replied to, and he's a fucking idiot for shit-talking alternate routes, but why should anyone even have to defend a lack of them in the first place? There's absolutely nothing wrong with levels that are more-linear. You hate a game's level-design because it's not what you would personally want it to be, as if your personal tastes aren't completely subjective. What about the people who don't like alternate paths like the faggot you replied to? Their preferences aren't somehow inferior to yours.
If the Classic games also had SA2's style of level-design, you wouldn't be complaining. You're not looking at this objectively in the slightest. Sure, SA2 would have had more-interesting levels if it DID have more alternate routes, but there's nothing wrong with the way they were made as it is. Your "complaint" isn't a complaint.
>>334321618
>There's absolutely nothing wrong with levels that are more-linear
Except that it's less content.
>You hate a game's level-design because it's not what you would personally want it to be
You're projecting mighty strongly here, hun. Playing as Knuckles in City Escape or Radical Highway is considerably more fun than any of his actual levels, because treasure hunting in little arenas isn't as fucking fun as blazing through paths and ways.
Most of Sonic Adventure 1 and 2's complaints come from different play styles interrupting otherwise fast and smooth gameplay, which would have been fixed if the characters played more traditionally (same levels, one or two different/unique abilities, which is what Knuckles and Rouge had in SA2 but unfortunately had few instances to properly play them).
>What about the people who don't like alternate paths like the faggot you replied to?
That's the MAGICAL thing about alternate paths...THEY'RE OPTIONAL! Are you seriously advocating for the removal of players having options on what to do?
>If the Classic games also had SA2's style of level-design, you wouldn't be complaining.
I also probably wouldn't have become interested in Sonic games. Seriously think about how an SA2 level would translate into 2D. Protip; We got it in Sonic Generations 3DS.
>You're not looking at this objectively in the slightest
I was mad spot on with that projection claim, god damn
>but there's nothing wrong with the way they were made as it is.
I think your issue here is you're completely forgetting that you had to play as Knuckles, Rouge, Tails, and Robotnik in some damn shitty levels.
>Your "complaint" isn't a complaint.
2cute4me
>>334321618
>Complaints aren't complaints if they're subjective or personal
>>334316580
But they fucking do suck you fucking idiot. Have you played Secret Rings? Have you played Boom? Have you played anything other than Generations?
>>334317719
Sonic 06 on the PS3 was delayed as all hell and it was WORSE than the 360 version.
>>334314000
Rush games were good
Riders was (very) good
Secret Ring was ok
otherwise I agree with you
