Why doesn't Fallout 4 have great little references to the classic Fallouts like NV did?
Because New Vegas is desperately trying to keep 1&2 canon when Bethesda couldn't care less.
Why do you think 3 and 4 are on the east coast?
>>334286946
>Why do you think 3 and 4 are on the east coast?
Because Bethesda wanted to do their own thing without neckbeards screaming "it's not like that" and to be able to make their own games without them being in the shadow of the old franchise. And with any other company it might have worked. Pity they didn't bother doing even cursory research into the setting.
>>334286850
>expecting anything but utter shit and arrogance from Beturdsda
I'm not sure they are even aware that FO 1 and 2 exists.
Damned if they do damned if they don't. If Fallout 4 referenced 1 and 2 too much people would just whine about beth "shitting all over canon." Better for them just to outright ignore the games. At least we got a Fallout Tactics reference in both 3 and 4, likely because no one would get butthurt over it.
New Vegas is completely overrated. The game is pretty boring, the plot uninteresting. Morally grey factions isn't the epitome of writing.
>>334286850
Because Todd Howard is the M. Night. Shamalamabangbong of video gaming.
An absolute cunt with incredible delusions of grandeur, and sociopathic arrogance for everything he touches
>>334287463
>likely because no one would get butthurt over it.
More likely because Tactics helps explain how and why the Brotherhood were on the East Coast.
>>334287463
>If Fallout 4 referenced 1 and 2 too much people would just whine about beth "shitting all over canon."
Remember in Fallout 3 when they did that Jet reference with SUPERJET?
Yeah, Bethesdas FUCKING TERRIBLE at old references.
>>334287652
More likely because nobody gives a shit about Tactics canon.
>>334287761
I care. It's a beautiful clusterfuck of poor writing and even worse execution.
>>334287584
>Morally grey factions isn't the epitome of writing.
>"but muh KOTOR 2! Muh morally gray Star Wars! Kreia is the best Star Wars villain!"
>>334287951
>Kreia
>villain
>>334287167
Oh Bethesda certainly shat a ton on the lore even though they moved to the east coast.
>>334287283
Are they actually somehow shitting on House from New Vegas in FO4?
>>334287906
Well, maybe if you put it that way.
>>334286850
fallout 4 is not in the fallout canon, so they didn't use material from much of the actual fallout canon
>>334287167
Bethesda wanted to take a shit on the lore because they don't care.
>>334287951
>New Vegas
>morally grey factions
>>334289186
NCR and House are grey, Legion is really dark grey, Independent depends on your actions.
>>334289273
House isn't grey, he's dollar bill green.
>>334286850
Because its written by different people, has a completely different feel and was made with completely different intentions.
Theres a file in Nick Valentines office discussing the Mysterious Stranger appearing all over America. The Brotherhood make reference to having plenty of airships at one point.
lol fuckin nerds
>>334289934
Pete Hines is a fucking cuck. Personally, i'm glad Bethesda hasn't touched FO1/2 lore because they'd just fuck it up. In the cabot house quest, they mention a motherfucking alien city underneath the Mojave. Case in point
>>334287283
>robco
>mr handy
>>334286850
Because they don't know shit about Fallout, when they were making 3, they probably looked some things on the internet and went 'I got this shit' and then made Elder Scrolls with guns.
>>334287689
It was Ultrajet, and although I'm not one to praise Fallout 3, it did make sense that if ghouls got a diminished high from standard Jet, they'd try and find a way to boost the effect so they could get high.
Of all the things to shit on F3 for, that wasn't one of them. Didn't NV have UltraJet in it too?
>>334286850
Fallout 4 is not an RPG.
>>334286850
because Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 are non-canon spin-offs to the original games.
Fallout: New Vegas is the canon sequel to Fallout 2.
>>334286916
Fuck I just got that
>>334286850
Bethesda doesn't care. They don't explain anything. They don't care about the rules established in prior games. They created brand new rules on their own and they don't follow those either. They just don't care.
>>334287584
Even then, you still got the idea that all the factions were pretty competent at what they're setting out to do. In Fallout 4 you've got the BoS who punk away manpower and gear picking a fight with the Institute, the Railroad who save Synths but don't do anything to prevent them going and joining raider gangs, the Minutemen who comprises of one useless cunt who expects you to rebuild everything yourself and the Institute who are...I mean fuck. They have the means to rebuild the world at their fingertips and all they do is use the Commonwealth like a petri dish for their experiments without regard for the suffering it causes.
All four factions are groups of dickheads with the collective intelligence of a fucking rice cracker. If I had it my way I'd just take over Goodneighbour and leave it at that.
>>334291381
>Institute makes 1 million super mutants because lol
>only manage to actually cure 1 particular strain and there's only 1 dose ever produced
>Institute perfects robotics so that useful servants can be made
>They immediately make robots that start to gain sentience and keep denying this, never decide to just downgrade until the problem can be patched out
>They hire Sugar Smacks to kidnap a "pure" human while killing off nearly an entire vault of pure humans
>Could provide food, resources, and power to settlements
>Just randomly kill settlers to replace them with synths because fuck it
What the fuck was the Institute supposed to be? Because it sure wasn't smart. Stupidly evil, maybe.
>>334289273
>Legion is really dark grey
This Cass and that merchant guy saying the legion lands are supposedly safe, everything you actually SEE the Legion do is pretty much outright evil. Obsidian can't into "show not tell," it doesn't matter how much philosophical dialogue Edward Sallow has, we don't actually see any positive impact of the Legion the entire game.
>>334292238
Legion were never to be supposed to be as grey as the NCR.
>>334292337
>>334290297
It was a join project with General Atomics International and Robco
It checks out
> Description of the "antique" model in the REPCONN's museum in Fallout: New Vegas - You never can have too many hands - three, why not four? That was RobCo's inspiration behind the popular (and cost-effective) Mister Handy model, the first of the line shown here. Always a help around the household, whether with Mom in the kitchen using its titanium circular power saw or in the garage with Dad using its armor-piercing laser array, Mister Handy is not just helpful... he's your friend, too. Exhibit Brought to You By Your Friends at RobCo.
>>334292337
I guess my main criticism of the Legion falls down to the fact the player is never actually SHOWN a good reason to support Caesar at all. Sure you can talk to caesar, and some people mention Arizona is supposedly safer from raiders. But you as the Courier are never given any reason whatsoever to support him yourself or think that he could do a good job with vegas. House rebuilt Vegas with Security and the Three Families. He pays you with a hotel room and you can clearly see the results of his actions. The NCr has the sharecropper farms, you can see the good intentions of people like the ambassador, and you can talk to NCR soldiers who believe they are supporting a good cause. The Legion has NOTHING. Your first meeting is the crucifixion of the entire town. They kidnap an NCR female soldier and it can be assumed she'll be a slave. they take over Helios One with intent to use it as a weapon. There isn't a single positive to the faction. Does it make sense? Sure. Does that mean the faction has any value? Not really.
>>334292983
If there wasn't an option to join the Legion then players would bitch about it. Some people just want to be the bad guy.
>>334292983
There was supposed to be some peaceful Legion settlements, but they were cut as time and resources were limited. That said, again, they are supposed to be brutal. They are supposed to be darker than NCR/House. They rape, pillage, burn.
Wrt Nipton though, it's funny how when you report its fate to Ghost she says they deserved it, but "not like that".
>>334292983
I always just assumed that Caesar looked back to the first greatest empire on earth, that all other empires were born from and modernity was reached by and thought "lets start again there and recreate that machine with the lessons we've learned"
>>334287584
Just gonna drop in to say that all the deathclaw areas alone made the game.
Nonetheless I loved the story and felt involved and cared for certain factions
But it has references to the superior and beloved classic fallout 3? Next time think before you talk OP.
>>334293418
he kinda does that. He knows that his empire will fall with his death, but he hopes that it will spawn shitton of quality countires, just like the fall of rome did, i.e france, germany and all the other
>>334287167
which is exactly why they took enclave, the brotherhood, supermutants, deathclaws, jet and even poor old harold, awkwardly forced them into their shitty game and butchered just about everything about them in the process
fallout 3 was nothing but misaimed fan service and fallout 4 was the same but for fallout 3 fan boys instead
>>334294891
>fallout 4 was the same but for fallout 3 fan boys instead
The Brotherhood were turned from the "good guys" into Nazis in power armor though.
>>334286850
How does she even know the name of some bumblefuck tribal village in the middle of fuckoff nowhere? Let alone expect the player character to know what the fuck she's talking about.
Great job Obshittian. I guess references are an acceptable substitute for writing these days.
That bait was so weak I'm not even giving a (you)
