Now that this game has been out for a week or so in Japan, what's the consensus?
Is the battle system good?
Are personal actions and pairings a thing like in the older SOs?
What about extra stuff like crafting, costumes and optional dungeons?
Also is it true pic related is unplayable and only joins the party as an NPC?
>inb4 "only" 20 hours long
>>334256971
Looks like your usual run of the mill JRPG. Nothing remarkable. The characters designs are disgusting too.
>>334258984
That's a matter of taste. I personally like Cat lady and Potato.
>>334256971
The only complaint that sounds pretty damn justified is that the cutscenes are extremely bare, spoiled myself with other people playing and that is confirmed for truth, the cast mostly talk about things that will happen or has happened, the player rarely see shit going down, it's like you have to take their word for it:"See guys, there's this war going on, we won't show that nice war zone, but believe us, shit is going down over there were the camera doesn't reach".
>>334261039
So no chaotic "shit hit the fan" moments like the Vendeeni attack in 3? Or purple Elvis wreaking havoc in 2? I'm not sure I like this.
>>334256971
Witch Tits.
>>334256971
From what I saw and read, it's a regular Star Ocean, so pretty good but nothing stellar, but is heavily lacking in post game content.
>>334261218
Only a few and very far in-between, the majority of the "cutscenes" really is just characters talking to each other in akward motions, like in an old MMO.
>>334261336
>Star Ocean
>nothing stellar
How ironic.
>>334261912
Every Star Ocean, despite the name and setting, only takes place on a couple of planets at most.
Maybe there's the occasional planet that only has one location, like the final boss area in SO1 or the "area" at the start of Claude's story, but it's always an underdeveloped planet where each game spends most of the player's time.
Don't spend anymore than $42 on it, game is too small in scale for Square Enix to charge a premium
Japan is angry they spent $70 for a 20 hour game and the price has been slashed by 46%
>>334262997
>the price has been slashed by 46%
Holy shit
In LESS THAN TWO WEEKS?!
Talk about bombing
>>334263197
Do you believe everything you read on this shithole ?
There's no way a publisher would cut a game's price by almost half just a few weeks in.
What you see is the people rushing the game and reselling used copies for less.
>>334263379
Didn't something similar happen with Zestiria, though?
I'm only buying it so I can fap to Fiore.
>>334263523
There's no negative backlash on this game, let alone one of ToZ's proportions.
These are the recurring complaints on Amazon.jp
- Camera can get a bit messy sometimes.
- A.I controlled characters are often seen battling outside the field of battle, meaning that if you select said character on a whim or by mistake, it will count as if you have ran away from the fight.
- High level skills and spells are filled with lavish effects, many characters pulling their strongest attacks in quick succession will make the battlefield one huge fireworks spectacle, you won't be able to tell what's going on.
- Many cutscenes are just dialogue between the characters, like field conversations, "cinematic" cutscenes are only a handful few.
still haven't played 4
only the ps3 version of the game had the anime portraits and dual audio but like most early 360 -> ps3 ports the graphics were downgraded majorly and it put me off
>>334263867
>No negative backslash
Japan is calling the game shit.
>>334256971
As someone who imported it, it's a piece of crap. Avoid.
It's a 3/10, so fucking annoyed.
>18 hour story, 35-40 hours for 100%
>Game is broken in half 5 hours in thanks to the piss easy crafting
>There's 7 smallish maps that just get progressively higher level enemies as the story progresses
>The characters are dull
>The soundtrack, although good, is very samey
>The hub town is lifeless
>The AI is laughably bad
>The game locks you out of areas by putting high level enemies in areas you've already visited, essentially controlling how long you can grind
>MC literally reuses the animations from SO4's MC
>Japanese VA is lackluster
>There's pretty much no cutscenes and everything is given to you in exposition dumps
All in all, it feels like a game that at one time was a big budget game but was told it had a fraction of what it needed to produce a AAA sequel. If it gets DLC I know exactly what game they're playing.
>>334264478
>Japan is calling the game shit
[citation needed]
>>334264850
There wont be any DLC, after talking shit about Zestiria they can't. Which is funny because it looks like this will be just like it.
>>334256971
Short game that falls flat if compared to the previous entries. For something that was advertised as homage to SO3, this game failed horribly. What they recycle from SO3 were OST and battle skills, not the numerous contents.
Personal and pairings works similarly to SO4.
No extra costumes. Crafting seems pretty deep tho. Few optional dungeons and they are pretty short as well.
>>334257872
Yes.
>>334265063
If DLC is planned, then they can fuck right off. If I find they've literally held back on the content of this game to charge people twice, I'm not falling for it.
>>334265063
>Which is funny because it looks like this will be just like it.
The Camera still isn't that bad nor it locks 2 characters on your party, limiting your choices.
>>334256971
is it the perspective or is the naked witch shorter than the loli nun
>>334263867
90% of the "negative backlash" for ToZ was that Baba pulled a bait-and-switch on what people were expecting to be the game's waifu.
>>334265312
I'm talking about it being a half ass incomplete game.
>trusting SE in making a good game
I'm scared how DQ11 will turn out
>>334264478
Anon we know you read your post from amazon japan
>>334265359
"Stylish Menu"; Witch Tits Fiore is as tall as Fidel.
>>334265359
Perspective.
Fiore is slightly taller than Potato.
>>334265667
Dragon Quest has been unaffected by Square's cancer so far. I'm hopeful.
>>334265667
As long as Horii is around, DQ will mantain high quality.
>green lipstick
Disfuckingusting.
PRIVATE ACTIONS CONFIRMED TO NOT INFLUENCE LOVERS OR BEST FRIENDS LIKE CLASSIC SO GAMES.
One job, one fucking job was all they had.
>>334266745
Didn't they say that there were character endings?
If this is true, wow, that is one hell of a bait and switch.
>>334266745
So no witchtits ending? No cat lady ending? What the fuck...
>>334266745
>mfw sony fanboys hyped this trash
I'm glad Tales of Berseria looks good so far
>>334261912
>>334261336
why does /v/ shit on Star Ocean for being "nothing special" but then praises shitty mediocre budget jrpg's on the ps2 like shadow hearts as the best games of all time?
>>334267003
>>334266949
Berseria will be good if they get the combat right. As long as it doesn't feel slow and mashy like Zest, then it's fine.
>>334266870
>Didn't they say that there were character endings?
Yes, which turns out it exactly how it was for SO4, individual epilogues, not epilogues with the Main Character being romantically involved with a girl or being best budds with a guy.
>>334266949
Good luck with that, set sail for another disapointment, Tales will never recover while Baba still at the helm.
>>334267129
no i'm genuinely fucking asking right now. why the fuck is shadow hearts or wild arms 4 or random fucking budget titles on ps2 considered "greatest games of all time" but NOT Final Fantasy 6, 7, Star Ocean Second Story, Wild Arms 1, or FF Tactics?
Star Ocean definitively has one of the best combat systems in jrpg's. that's widely known.
>>334267313
>Good luck with that, set sail for another disapointment, Tales will never recover while Baba still at the helm.
Baba is not producing Berseria.
>>334267317
see>>334267129
(You) is a hell of a drug
>>334267129
>Shadow Hearts reviews
"A predictable plot and linear gameplay are the minuses to this otherwise well-crafted dark RPG. "
Game Revolution
50
"Just not very exciting. The combat can't find a comfortable medium between action and strategy."
" Kudos to Midway for taking a risk and translating a more mature RPG in such excellent form, and a small, quiet "boo" to Sacnoth for providing great material for translation and little in the way of engaging gameplay."
FUCKING GAMEPLAY THE MAIN REASON YOU PLAY A GAME AND NOT WATCH A MOVIE
>>334267510
>>334267129
"Shadow Hearts is just not very exciting. The combat can't find a comfortable medium between action and strategy. Graphically, it's somewhere between PSOne and PS2. As a story, Shadow Hearts would have made a great anime series, but instead, it comes out as only an average game. Great for Vanna White, though."
TERRIBLE GAMEPLAY DOES NOT EQUAL BEST GAME OF ALL TIME YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITES.
>>334267313
I find this hard to believe after all the talk they did in the stream casts saying that it wasn't like SO4 and had endings like SO2 and S03
>>334267747
ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION. I'M GIVING YOU REASONS AS TO WHY SHADOW HEARTS IS MEDIOCRE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GIVING ME ANY AS TO WHY IT DESERVES TO BE CONSIDERED "GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME" OR SHIT, EVEN BETTER THAN STAR OCEAN.
>>334267003
>Nightshade: 68
>DMC: 68
Metacritic is worthless.
>>334267747
" Translation wise, the game seems geared toward the Dragon Ball crowd, with brash conversations and lots of street corner language, which doesn't quite fit the mood or visual atmosphere of the game."
>>334267915
>>334267915
but it's okay when you can use it to your advantage?
>>334267906
you're not giving any reasons as to why star ocean 1, second story, till the end of time, or fucking last hope are mediocre games.
As much as I did really like the game, Tri Ace might really die due to the bad rep this game has gotten. Another one of my favorite devs and JRPG series is now dead.
>>334268069
Anon, all you're proving is that images with Metacritic scores are shitposting.
>>334268127
give me well-thought out REASONS why star ocean is a mediocre series.
>>334268194
What did you expect when they work for Square Enix, the Japanese EA?
>>334268224
He's just a stupid kid shitposting.
>>334267915
*DMC 2
>>334268286
But they don't anymore, they got bought out by a mobile company back when SE was really hurting.
>>334268286
>>334268224
I WANT REASONS AS TO WHY STAR OCEAN IS A MEDIOCRE SERIES BUT SHADOW HEARTS IS SOMEHOW NOT. AND NONE OF THOS REASONS CAN PERTAIN TO PLOT BECAUSE YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME NOT A MOVIE
>>334268069
> DoAX 3
> 33
Let me guess? Too sexist?
I know the game is not that good. It's mostly fap material with a couple of mini games thrown here and there but 33? Really?
You can literally smell the SJW.
>>334267915
What the fuck is so special about Nightshade for it to not be a 68?
Were you a literal kid when you played that game? it's one the clunkiest barebones action games I've ever touched.
>20 hours long
What happened?
>>334268406
Speaking of mobile, the new VP game was confirmed mobile shit. Not that I excepted anything else.
Tri Ace is dead, might not be their fault, but that's just how it is.
>>334256971
Just tell me there's nothing even remotely similar to Lymle and we've got a deal. The witch is kinda cringy looking but every jRpg needs at least one i guess
>>334266745
Preorder cancelled
>>334268595
Instead of Valkyrie Profile we get Valkyrie Mobile. Just great.
>>334268194
>tfw you can count your remaining favorites series on one hand
>All you need is one one or two fingers
>>334268576
It's a bit longer than that. Not saying it's really long but 20 hours is really fucking fast.
>>334268428
If a game has nothing besides tits to commend it, how are you supposed to rate it highly? Objectively, it has nothing going for it.
>>334268846
If Ace Combat 7 is bad, I don't know what I will do.
But fuck, I don't know how Tri-Ace could do 5 streams and push character endings and it not being SO4 again and then outright lie.
>>334268880
>>334266745
Have you beaten it? Is this true?
>>334268595
thanks for ruining my day
>>334268540
What's clunky about it?
>>334268935
>AC7
I forgot about that, since I got into that shortly after ACI's release.
Now I'm paranoid with fear.
>>334269065
Did you really think it wouldn't be mobile shit? Come on. What's wrong with you? Your faith in gaming industry shouldn't be that high.
>>334269118
It would be really hard to out crap AssASSult Horizon
But the fear is still real.
>>334268979
PAs feel more like funny side conversations that can influence which character ending you get. There isn't a direct romance option but some characters do get close.
If I want to play SO1 and 2, should I play the remakes or just the originals?
I don't like remakes that change too much other than graphics and some streamlining of annoying things.
Also my only experience with the series is SO3 which I really like.
>>334269334
>There isn't a direct romance option
Well, I guess they didn't lie when they said that Miki wasn't the main love interest.
>everyone complaining about mobile releases
I wonder how much longer people that visit boards like this or video game "journalism" will realize that they are not the true audience and that console gaming is dying in Japan. If anything everyone should bitch about Japan's culture living in cardboard boxes and bullet trains.
>>334269334
That's a bummer. Thanks though.
>>334269467
We know we're not. We know why they're doing it, it's just shitty.
The audience for console RPGs isn't really smaller, it's just it hasn't grown with the overall industry, and games are only getting more expensive to make. The audience is still here, just Square doesn't care to serve it anymore.
>>334269812
The market is there, Square Enix just can't get it because their games are shit.
>>334270042
That's also true.
>>334269153
>Did you really think it wouldn't be mobile shit?
I just try not to think about it at all. You're right though, I guess I already knew deep inside.
>>334265156
>What they recycle from SO3 were OST and battle skills
But 5 has far, far more skills than 3 had, and it brought back all the character and item creation skills from 2 that were completely taken away in 3.
>Personal and pairings works similarly to SO4.
So almost non-existent?
>>334267003
Shadow Hearts 1 is a pretty shit game with a good story. 2 has pretty decent gameplay and is a great game all around. 3 has better gameplay but shit the bed in every other area.
>>334268286
Square is not the Japanese EA by any stretch, that would be either Konami or Bandai. With the evolutions Square has been making and the shuffling of new blood, it's definitely changing for the better.
>>334263923
>- A.I controlled characters are often seen battling outside the field of battle, meaning that if you select said character on a whim or by mistake, it will count as if you have ran away from the fight.
Surely they'll patch this.
>>334269812
>mfw Stardew Valley is more profitable than FF15
Square Enix are just retarded. Even if I liked FF15, no fucking game is worth 10 years investment. They are absolutely fucking retarded for not cancelling it years ago. FF7, 8, 9 and 10 all came out within 5 years. They have no excuse, and I don't want to hear "but modern games are more expensive and bigger" because that's just ignorant. FF7 cost $25 to make + the ridiculous $100 million marketing. That's not different to today. Acting like development tools aren't almost more advanced, streamlined,etc to make developing things that were difficult 15 years ago, simple as fuck today is also ignorant.
>>334264850
>>The game locks you out of areas by putting high level enemies in areas you've already visited, essentially controlling how long you can grind
Explain further.
>>334270539
>almost
^also
>>334270523
It's stupid and doesn't need a patch. All you have to do is run into the battle area.
When SO3's director was producing this I don't know why anyone is surprised that it's bad.
>>334269368
there's no good reason to not play first departure over the original. the first one like the original tales of phantasia release has aged poorly and is janky outside of the real time combat gimmick. first departure gives it a battle system and overworld like SO2.
second evolution is less drastically different, biggest changes are updating the art style to the time period in which it was released and redoing the translation / dubbing. some of the graphics look worse since they weren't reworked and the psp resolution is different from the ps1
>>334270758
Is it not instant?
>>334269368
SO1: remake
SO2: original
>>334269368
Play the remake of SO1, since the original wasn't particularly good in the first place and the remake is a full remake that adds a lot of new stuff.
Play the original of 2, because the remake of that was less substantial and mostly made changes for the worse, both in gameplay, presentation, and the new script.
>>334270864
I've never seen it be instant. It does make the escape meter fill up faster, but you just have to run towards to the battle area to stop it.
>>334271038
While a bit of a stupid oversight, it doesn't sound like much of an issue then.
>>334269812
Wrong, the audience is just more diverse than its ever been. Take the FF fanbase, it's quite frankly the most divided fanbase of all time. I am a player who played 4-14(XIII'S trilogy was subpar though), and have little issue with XV.
It's the mix of the playerbase being stuck in the past and newer players shitting on older games that produce such a vitriolic messages when Square evaluates questions and concerns from its target demographic, it's really hard to gauge because it's mixed messages everywhere.
Games like BD work because players like me like them because I enjoy traditional RPGs, but it also tickles the hopelessly hardcore who don't want the RPG genre to change and just want what they want. So it's moderately successful. But XV will be successful too, the boogeyman shit that goes on in the FF fanbase is the same neurotic behavior that came about when Tactics was unveiled years ago, and it ended up being a game that is dearly remembered.
>>334256971
So when will the nips start releasing shit in the west at the same time as the east? I'm tired of their horseshit about translating. It's fucking 2016. Hire those translators while you're working on it, not after you've gone gold. Fuckers can still translate early-mid game.
>>334270609
There's only 7 maps, and the game puts progressively higher level enemies in maps as you progress. For example, there's a point where you can't go to the second area because all of a sudden there's levels twice your level there (with little to no explanation), forcing you in to areas with enemies your level. It's a shitty mechanic because as you get further in to the game you realise you're cycling the same 7 areas and the game's just deciding when you can go to each area.
>>334272430
What about dungeons?
Post the party members please.
>>334272649
Same situation.
>>334266705
>>334263678
Fiore dub voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IegQNj7dRTM
Not terrible. At least it's not grandma smoker tier like Camilla
>>334266087
One bitch face looks like its melting and falling off and the other looks like its getting squished by her forehead.
All them grafics for nothing.
>>334256971
one world
20 hour corridor
>>334263379
Duke Nukem went from 60 to 15 in 2 weeks, brah
>>334282349
GRANNY
PANTIES
Man, that whole debacle must have also hurt sales a bit in Nipland.
>>334282349
Don't even get why of all things this is the thing they change.
Like, is anyone complaining about SJW shit going to be looking at upskirts? It's hardly obvious. The only people who would ever think to go there are the ones who are into looking up the skirts of fictional characters.
Also, this looks like a PS3 game aside from the characters.
>>334267313
Good thing Berseria isn't being produced by Baba then
At this point it's say to say that 2 being as good as it was was just a fluke.
>genuinely stoked for SO5, considering buying a ps4 new for it
>mfw i get to this thread
Anons...
>>334285462
Same. I'm hoping all this negativity is slightly overblown.
>>334285462
>>334286550
game is better than 4 and 1 and about the same as 3 but shorter
>>334280126
It worked well for CT.
>>334285171
There was a reason Tri-Ace's founders were tossed out from Namco.
>>334285462
>>334286550
My niggas.
I'm not getting a PS4, though, so I was planning on either getting the weeb PS3 version or waiting for a PC release (it IS Square Enix after all)...
>>334284614
>those eye thingies
Are Gabriel Celest and the Iseria Queen back as bonus bosses?
>>334286995
I don't follow.
>>334289269
More importantly, is Puffy back?
>>334256971
Will get blown the fuck out by Tales of Berseria
I'm at 20 hours on the clock. I need to go back a bit and buy some Revive Dead cards, because the battle I'm at has the guy do a half-field AOE thing which wipes the party.
Retarded party member AI is the biggest hit. Here's a Star Ocean game that lets you have up to 7 players on the field, but half of them literally stand still and do nothing for half of the battles.
Typical Japanese motion movements in the middle of dialogues is really painful as well. When people talk, they tend to flop around like Muppets. What the hell are they even doing with Welch here. It's 2016, Japan. Cut it out.
Still, 7/10 overall until further notice. I like how it looks, I like how it sounds, I like the pace and structure, the "20 hour" mark would be at 40 if it was composed like any other JRPG. Everything flows together very smoothly. I've played worse. It could be better, though. It could be better.
>>334264850
>All in all, it feels like a game that at one time was a big budget game but was told it had a fraction of what it needed to produce a AAA sequel.
That is what SE usually does to other games when it's busy making a new Final Fantasy. Remember to keep your expectations under control for Automata.
>>334283367
You'd think after the pretty unexpected success Senran Kagura got when it garnered some controversy, more Japanese games would want to push the lewdness as a selling point and hope SJWs throw a fit for free promotion.
But maybe since Star Ocean, like a lot of JRPGs has an unusually large amount of female fans they don't want to risk losing the fujoshi dollars.
As for the graphics, I can't speak for SO4, but as someone who's playing SO3 right now most of the graphics and animations look like Dreamcast graphics. The exception being small details on the character models (it was one of the only PS2 games I can think of that had hair and clothing move somewhat realistically instead of just being a static part of the model), which looks to be holding true in this game as well.
>>334293076
>her nipples are hard and you can see them poking through the outfit
Holy fuck, my dick is going to explode
