I would like to play vanilla Wolrd of Warcraft. I'm willing to pay $30 a month for the opportunity. I don't want to play Wolrd of Warcraft in its current form because World of Warcraft in its current form sucks.
Please tell me where I can pay Blizzard for the opportunity to play vanilla World of Warcraft legitimately.
You don't want to play vanilla WoW. You think you do, but you don't.
>I'm willing to pay $30
Liar. qq some more about not being able to steal Blizzard's ip.
>>334233161
But I do. I really do.
>>334233161
I don't even like WoW vanilla or otherwise, but seeing that clip even made me pissed.
What a shit way to treat way your community.
>>334233541
I'd probably treat retail WoW players like shit too if I was getting rich off the game that consumed their lives.
>>334233452
You nostalgic riddled brain is deluding you
>>334233452
You think you do.
After about a month you'll realize that your memory of the game is distorted and that it isn't really as good as you remember it. We have done a lot of research on this. Our understanding about the fiscal viability of a vanilla server is solid. There just isn't enough interest to justify feeding a few thousand people just a few months of nostalgia.
>>334233452
Blizzard is not going to open a Vanilla Server. Perhaps you should give the latest expansion a chance.
You'll like it if you just give it a chance.
>>334233814
I was just playing it a week ago, moron. It isn't like I haven't played it in years and I've forgot the reality of the game.
My third toon on nostalrius was level 39 a week ago. I played Wow nearly everyday during the months of February and March. My memory of the game is very recent and this has absolutely nothing to do with nostalgia. Vanilla Wow is a much better game.
I thought I wanted to buy Legion, but I don't.
>>334234554
You think it is, but it isn't.
>>334233060
>General
>>>/vg/
>>334233541
J Allen Brack has a whole string of shitty comments and decisions over the past few years, google him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuOYmqSF6OQ
>>334235997
/v/ will do. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Is Overwatch vanilla TF2? Is Blizzard the least consistent company of all time?
>>334233452
if you did, you would have been playing nos already
it was widely popular with 13k people on the server at almost all times
considering the twitter patch was considered a major patch to WoD then legacy servers would take like 200 major patches
and that doesn't work when WoW only has 2 major patches these days
you'd have to combine like 100 expansions worth of major patches to create a legacy server
and thats too many resources diverted from creating store mounts, which each take like 1.5 major patch time already
>>334236362
What makes you think he wasn't playing Nos?
>>334233060
>wanting to pay more money to a company that treats you like trash, mocks you openly and in response to suggestions or criticism has their representative state that they know better than you what is it that you actually want
Smells like Stockholm syndrome to me. Or just being fucking retarded. This shit flies only in videogame industry, nowhere else would it fly - treating your customers this way and getting away with it and getting even more money because spineless mmo addicts keep throwing shekels at them.
>>334233060
>Please tell me where I can pay Blizzard for the opportunity to play vanilla World of Warcraft legitimately.
You cant!
>>334233060
>I'm willing to pay $30 a month
No, you're not.
>"Hey, this free private server with 150,000 (that's 150 thousands!) active users exists! Just think of how many of that whopping number would be willing to pay $15+ a month for it! Why doesn't your business model reflect my wishful thinking yet!?"
And no, I don't think they had any real commercial reason to shut Nostalrius down since those players were never coming back to the retail version anyway, but if you really think they ought to open up a server for the 'we vocally hate the current iteration of the game' contingent, you're shitting yourselves.
>>334236362
Not that guy, but literally the only reason I didn't play Nost was because the DMCA claims taking down streamers on Twitch scared me off. I've still got my character of almost twelve years on the official servers because Blizzard isn't going to take those down any time soon. I didn't want to sink hundreds of hours into a private server just for this exact same thing that happened to happen.
I knew in my heart Nostalrius was gonna get taken down by Blizzard the moment I registered an account. It was getting too popular and Blizzard was either gonna close it to try and retain some players or close it to release their own Legacy servers. It was only a matter of time. Everyone was talking about how great it was, how it all worked, and how Blizzlike it was. Blizzard isn't gonna shut down other bullshit private servers because they're all literally trash. Nost was the only good one and of course it got taken down.
>>334236935
I buy weed from niggers because I love weed. Loving weed doesn't mean I love the niggers I buy it from.
>>334237086
I am.
what's a good alternative to nost that won't be shut down in the foreseeable future?
I just got to 20 on nost before it shut down.
I really just want wow without the quest tracker and dungeonfinder bullshit that killed the community.
Can we ban this shitheel of a developer from this board already? Do it away with Minecraft and MLP shit.
>>334237580
>20
>>334237926
I didn't get to play nost that long. I played retail vanilla and BC though so it's not like I've never played before.
>>334237393
No you're not, you little shit. This entire thread is an obvious framing device to suggest there's a market demand that doesn't exist after Blizzard took your free toy away. Even on the absurdly off-chance you're a real person who's really willing to pay twice retail value for a decade-old game, you're just an anomaly. But no, you're full of shit. Kudos for trying to maintain the act though.
>>334233161
This.
You want to pay for the latest shit Blizzard pushed out of its ass.
>DotA All-stars eclipses Warcraft 3 ladder in popularity, millions of copies of Warcraft 3 are sold just for DotA
>DotA Community: hey Blizzard, do you think maybe we could get some form of integrated client support or even acknowledgement for this map that's taken over the custom game list?
>Blizzard: no
>HoN, LoL and Dota 2 emerge, Blizzard tries to sue Valve for supporting the development of Dota 2
>Blizzard releases Heroes of the Storm to little fanfare
Blizzard absolutely HATES it when their fans outshine them.
>>334238167
Not that dude, but I'd pay a full sub price to play vanilla as it was back then. Easily, without question. With no hesitation I'd set a sub up the very same day they opened the server.
>tfw been on kronos since launch
>and now salty nostbabbies are shitting everything up and bringing their gold farmers and cancer and 600 ping ruskies who think they can tank fury with them
granted, it was cancerous before but goddamn if it aint bad now
>>334238270
I wholeheartedly agree, but I don't see history repeating itself in the same way unless Valve decides to release a World of DotaCraft MMO, that's F2P and supported purely by cosmetics and in-game stream tickets.
>>334238560
Valve takes the opposite approach to Blizzard. When someone makes a popular mod to a Valve game, Valve hires them.
Blizzard shuts them down.
>>334233060
Vanilla WoW was shit
>>334238703
It was and that's part of why it was good.
>>334238686
This is why Valve is god tier and Blizzard is shit tier.
>>334238686
Then Valve calls them an ass and fires them
>>334238686
It would be amazing if Valve hires the Nost guys to make an MMO, but that probably won't happen. Nost guys worked some magic, but it's hard to tell if their work in scripting and server maintenance would transfer to game mechanics dev, art design, etc.
>>334233452
Remember having to find people to dungeon with? remember actually playing the game? yeah that was shit, you want dungeon finder, a feature released in WOTLK, aka 4 expansions ago, thats why we don't have servers on old expansions.
Makes sense right?
>>334238310
I'm sure you're not the only one, but Blizzard's put their foot down on this, not only because it wouldn't be very profitable, but because they'd be catering to people who have become disillusioned with their company. I don't see the point in trying to please ex-fans.And no, don't say it's so they can earn back their fandom. Blizzard knows that it's dead to these people, so fuck 'em.
>>334238824
I don't know why you'd do that.
WoW only really worked because it came along at the right time and had the right features. Simply cloning everything about vanilla WoW doesn't get you anywhere, because people can easily tell what you've done and they'll dislike you for it.
Really MMOs aren't worth all the bullshit unless there is intrinsically player influence on the world. A good example of this is Eve Online.
>>334238945
I know and agree with you. Opening up a legacy server is short sighted and would be disastrous for Blizzard. It would make me happy as fuck and I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same way. But there's no way it could long term be a good thing.
>>334238809
Who gives a fuck about some commentator?
>>334233060
>willing to pay 30$ of a month to the devs who say
>you think you do, but you don't
Have some dignity
>>334239070
relax friend, it was a joke. maybe you remember them from before you started coming to 4chan and became a bitter faggot
>>334238270
that is a neat tiny/mountain giant art
i really prefer the wow-style over the wc3 mountain giant
>>334238686
Since when does a carbon copy of an old version of a game constitute a mod?
>>334238686
Hell even M$ never stooped this low. When Official Halo CE servers shut down, bungie helped fans setup their servers. and when you consider they are still making new halo iterations that you need a subscription to play....
Especially when Halo 5 is actually somewhat similar to halo 1. Makes blizzard look like dogshit/
>>334237313
Exactly. You're a weedhead with no fucking dignity.
>>334233840
Look at osrs servers. I mean the populations of the two games are tiny compared to wow. But the os servers generally have an equal of not higher consistent player count. It may not work for wow but open to the idea of legacy servers
>>334238686
>"The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting anti-piracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates" - Gaben, 2011
>>334237926
Getting to level 20 takes longer than the average game takes to complete you nigger.
>>334239249
>he thinks DotA is mechanically identical to War3
kek
>>334237086
>st think of how many of that whopping number would be willing to pay $15+ a month for it! Why doesn't your business model reflect my wishful thinking yet!?"
okay but lets think about this for a second here. Servers based on more recent expansions actually have LESS players than nost. BY a lot. I know it seems intuitive that more people would pirate a game then buy it. But that's really not the case. Virtual console games get more hits then roms a lot of the time for example. Halo 2 had a lot less players through tungle which is free. then through XBL which cost money when it existed, and ofc online players SPIKED a lot in halo 2 when it was re released on xbox one, again requiring a subscription to play, event through it was free via Tungle and other shit like that.
Private server on X expansion vs private server on Y expansion is the only real comparison you can do.
Private server v.s. retail doesn't work. There are a lot more people who would play on official blizzard servers, that are advertised, just werk, are legit etc.
For the medium of play Nost existed on, it was more popular then any other expansion.
>>334238974
Usually I'd agree with your sentiment but Valve is such a big company I think they can pull it off especially since they own Steam and all that.
>>334239790
I stilll have nightmares about last hitting in wc3. I would go into practice games by myself just to practice last hits for hours
YOU
THINK
YOU
DO
BUT
YOU
DON'T
>>334238945
>but because they'd be catering to people who have become disillusioned with their company. I don't see the point in trying to please ex-fans.
this makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Why would you, as a business, care more about pleasing the fans who stuck with you after shitting on them for years, more then those who left? There is no reason to cater to your base. Current subbers will play regardless. Your EX fans made you serious bank and are customers you can get back, I feel like the people who would have tried WoW have all tried it by now. So your only aim should be to get back people who left, and keep who you have.
I mean in a $ sense why on earth would it be bad to win back old customers?
>>334233840
>After about a month you'll realize that your memory of the game is distorted
Thats fucking dumb.
not him, but I spent literal hundreds and hundreds of hours on WoW. I think I would of noticed somewhere there that it was shit. Im not going to go back and say, oh yeah I forgot the part where this was shit.
>>334233060
Why would you pay for no content at all?
$5 fucking max and past that you are a fool.
Serious question:
I haven't played WoW since Wrathe of the Lich King (2008) and have a lot of nostalgia for the vanilla WoW and Burning crusade.
What happened to in the expansions since that have caused such backlash? Did they implement or remove stuff or did the player base just go to pot?
Seriously, what's the game like now? What changed?
>>334239884
Look, I'm not saying Valve could never make an MMO, I'm just saying that they shouldn't try to make a WoW clone. There's been too many of those and none really work out. WoW was successful because of when it came out, not just what it did.
Let's say, hypothetically, SWTOR came out in 2004 instead of WoW. Then that'd be the popular game, despite its flaws, instead of WoW. Obviously that's an absurd example, but it's my general point. WoW filled a demand at a certain time, and that time has pass and the demand long since filled by numerous games.
So if Valve were to do an MMO, it would have to be very different. I dunno, maybe Prospero might be a good basis for an MMO. But my general point is, it cannot be WoW-like. That niche has been filled and it's pointless to try to refill it, no matter how bad Blizzard has gotten.
The only real way to refill that niche is for Blizzard to have legacy servers. People want the old WoW. They don't want anything other than that.
>>334233060
Nost dev here.
We'll have the server back up but it won't be called Nostalrius and we'll have to really cover our tracks this time. Shame on us for being so open, having a huge site, forums, etc.
>>334240328
Garrisons.
google it.
It's literally a facebook game now.
>>334233060
YOU THINK WE HAVE FORGOTTEN
YOU THINK WE HAVE FORGIVEN
YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU DON'T
>>334240328
biggest problem for me is that there is no content outside of one raid because they have 4 raid difficulties and you literally just run the 4 raid difficulties for almost 50 item levels.
>>334238167
Your the same as the "you think you do but you don't" guy. Thinking you know what others want.
>>334240547
YOU DON'T THINK IT BE LIKE IT IS, BUT IT DO.
>Played WoW on and off since BC
>Completely stopped at Cata
>Never actually made it to max level
Closest I ever got was 67 in BC
>>334240478
>>334240627
They can't even get 150,000 signatures on a petition.
I wish blizzard released their sub numbers. So we could post graphs and then look at vanilla wow and say "you think you don't but you do"
Anyway What I really want is just a relaunched progression server. Though Im not sure if Id be as motivated endgame knowing that all my effort would be for nothing in X amount of days.
>>334240843
any regrets?
>>334240894
Will
never
happen
>>334240867
You do know how online petitions work, right?
>>334240458
Googled it.
So they're "home" instances for each individual player? Where are they?
Also... that looks fucking awful.
>>334240867
>signing an online petition
Do you want to get spam?
Cause that's how you get spam.
>>334240576
Essentially a single raid? That sounds pretty lazy.
People keep saying it feels like a different game now. I'm trying to figure out what they men.
>>334240935
I don't give a shit if it's blizzard or someone else, if blizzard rather I do it for free, all the marrier
>>334240925
It makes me feel bad sometimes. The raiding looked pretty fun, but by the time I would do the leveling it got stale. Feels like I had to play a meh game just to get to a different game.
>>334240726
No, I'm saying "You don't think you do, and you don't." I'm not calling him incapable of knowing what he wants, I'm calling him a bullshitter.
>>334240983
Yes, most people spend most there time here.
You send people on missions and it takes real time to do it, kinda like facebook games. Where you just click you go to mission for me, and then wait 13 hours or something. Additionally you can't go into other peoples garrisons so it's antisocial only time you see other players is on the way to the limited number of raids. Just sitting in your garrison, clicking shit, or queuing for something is 90% of gameplay.
additionally there is a cash shop now, cause $15 a month + buying every expansion wasn't enough.
>>334241325
You can go into other peoples garrisons
there is just literally no reason to
>>334240894
We already have enough data. A year ago wow was at 2005 levels of subs. It can only be worse since they stopped. Everyone knows its shriveling up. That's why Blizzard is so hostile about it. They are egomaniacal.
>>334240983
They aren't player owned housing like Runescape. There's no custom built dungeons or fun decoration/house arrangements. That would actually be fun. House parties in Runescape were the funky shit.
Essentially they are the hub for your adventures, and you sit in them, playing commander and "sending troops to missons." i.e. clicking on interfaces like "INVESTIGATE THE MYSTERIOUS RIFT: SEND MILLHOUSE MANASTORM TO THE RIFT. REWARDS: 200G." Nowadays people afk in their garrisons and the only sign of life in the game is when people drop blingotrons (robots like jeeves that instead give daily gifts) where the garrison instancing ends.
>>334241314
I know you were to young to remember in the mid two thousands. But there were people fucking obsessed with WoW. People would literally pay an extra $15 a month and jump through hoops just to have a second account to role the other faction or something. People dedicated their lives, quit their jobs. ETC. So yeah, your an idiot if you wouldn't believe someone wouldn't pay $30 a month just to play WoW.
>>334241469
And really, there's no reason to want to.
You think you want to have a reason, but you don't.
>>334241503
>TFW no MMO ever did player housing correctly.
>>334241631
Hasn't EVE Online, in a certain way?
Maybe it's not "housing," but it did property correctly.
>>334233060
>General
>>>/vg/
>>334241570
this is my favourite meme desu
>>334241314
I don't think you understand just how much people fucking love this game.
>>334241631
Ultima Online
>>334234554
>>I was just playing it a week ago, moron
How when vanilla code has been lost in time like a thief in the night?
>>334241694
IDK I never played eve.
do you mean ships?
>>334241732
You think that this is your favorite meme, but it isn't.
And you think I'm running this into the ground, but I'm not.
>>334233060
>$30 a month
Fuck off shill.
>>334233161
I like how he was such a fucking shithead about it too
Consider yourself lucky that Blizzard protects you from what you think you want. Jagex listened and what a shit show that turned out to be.
>>334241793
No, I'm talking about how actual locations in the EVE Online universe belong to certain corporations and there are wars over that territory.
So maybe it isn't "housing" insofar as a room that you fill with virtual shit, but it's an area you know and operate out of for long enough to be willing to spend a considerable amount of time and money to keep out of someone else's hands.
>>334240328
>>334240458
>>334240576
>>334241325
>>334241503
Thanks for answering my questions.
I also found this thread:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15161889955
That all sounds terrible. I can see why people are saying it's a different game now.
That's really disappointing, No wonder their sub-numbers started tanking so hard they stopped reporting them.
>>334240867
They're almost at 100,000 for a fucking Change.org petition. Government Legislation has passed with less.
>>334240328
Talent trees gone, most abilities gone, all of eastern kingdom/kalimdor changed, dungeons are designed so you can't die and are just there to be 5-10 minute linear corridor zergs, less raids/raid bosses, less dungeons, imbalanced pvp, lack of new pvp maps, class homogenization, dungeon/raid finder automatically matching you with other players from across various realms so there's 0 reason to talk to anyone, world mobs die in 2 seconds so 0 reason to ever group up with strangers, garrisons (facebook minigame) killing off the remaining social aspects of the game + dealing the final blow to professions/auctioneering, raids split into 4 difficulties now which makes it feel grindier, warforged loot increasing rng element, dailies currently very poorly designed, RPM so gameplay is extremely proc based right now resulting in MUCH less control of dps/hps, lots store mounts/pets for money some of which should have been in the base game, blizzard selling level boosts and gold.
I've probably forgotten a few but there. There have been positive changes as well, but overall the changes have been very negative.
>>334241512
You might try typing like an adult if you'd like to convince me you were over 10 in 2004.
And there's no way that OP wasn't being completely disingenuous acting like he's really looking to pay patronage to Blizzard. Look at the name of the thread.
>>334241850
This. I don't get how he didn't get booed.
I mean Jesus even if you don't care about previous expansion based servers you gotta admit he's a dick.
Like I don't give a shit about Jak and Daxter, but if someone went to a Naughty Dog Q and A and asked about a future release or ps4 port or something, and they answered "Fuck you, Jak and daxter is shit, I know you think you like it, but you don't it's terrible, remember this thing you like about it? yeah thats shit, your glad you have uncharted now instead, fuck you"
I'd probably boo the fucker.
>>334241631
I think the most important part of player housing is building a cool home, not having a distinct piece of property on the map, so Runescape's was pretty good. Unfortunately, it was attached to the game known as Runescape. Carving property on the map also wouldn't work well for basically all games. It doesn't scale well.
>>334241793
He's talking about corporations being able to own a part of the sector and build a base with factories and shit on it. I don't think it counts since it doesn't have that personal feeling. You don't own it, the corp does.
>>334233060
The demand is definitely there. That is undeniable, otherwise Blizzard wouldn't have felt threatened by Nostalrius. However, there is still a list of reasons why Blizzard is reluctant to do it.
1. Old WoW was made by an older dev team. Some of these people have since left the company, and aren't very popular with the people who stayed. Releasing a vanilla server would be like admitting that those old disgraced devs were more talented.
2. If the Vanilla server is popular, Blizzard loses their expansion box sales. They make a shit load of money from people initially buying the new expansions. If Vanilla becomes the most popular version of the game, they stand to lose a lot of expansion sales.
3. If people are happier with vanilla, The roles of the devs, and especially the lead designer, become far less prestigious. Right now they can say that they work on the most popular MMO in the world. Why would they want to give their customers the chance to choose between the product they created and the product their predecessors created? They'd risk humiliating themselves.
It's likely that the only way we'll see Legacy servers is if expansion sales and subs drop to critical levels and they give up on releasing new expansions. That would nullify the box sale loss, and the risk to the dev team's pride because most of the dev team would either be reassigned or fired by that point.
>>334242036
>people don't buy products from companies they don't like
>meanwhile EA was rated most hated company in america two years in a row.
So I imagine they are filing bankruptcy?
Also it's an image board. Not a fucking cover letter. Deal with it.
>>334234631
/thread
>you will never experience the magic of discovering World of Warcraft for the first time again
>now it's all piss easy yet absurdly long farming
>feels like most of the comfy atmosphere is gone
>want to sub once more, but know it's a trap
Goddamn I miss exploring Mulgore and the Barrens with my very first character so much. I miss shitting myself over dropping a green item.
Fuck.
>>334242026
Jesus fucking Christ. You serious?
How do talents work without trees? What replaced them? How do you customize your character?
How can you not die in a dungeon? Do you respawn or something?
All of this sounds terrible!
>played on a private server during TBC that was the retail game but less optimized
>Blizzard did nothing about
>private server comes along that actually functions properly and has a huge playerbase
>Blizz shuts it down
Not a coincidence. Retail is going down the toilet now and Nost was a threat.
Blizzard is a company that has no real competition for the past 15 years. They won't make WoW better because they don't need to. Faggots will pay for the game and the expansions regardless of how shit they are.
The ironic thing is that Blizzards first actual competition in years was a 10 year old version of the very same game.
>>334242134
sounds cool desu.
Aren't corps just player groups anyway?
and yeah I agree on runescape, but again it's fucking runescape.
imagine that level of custom home in WoW. ANd then like giant castles for guilds. That actually had functionality.
>>334238270
>blizz cucked themselves out of DotA
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>>334242486
>Not a coincidence.
No fucking shit. Why would they waste their time taking down servers with 200 people?
>>334242625
>Why would they waste their time taking down servers with 200 people?
Well obviously they wouldn't shut down retail...
>>334242417
You get 3 talent choices every 15 levels. This is outdate but I just pulled this from Google.
Trees look like this now. Most early talents are just mobility related and are mainly pvp focused. The early shadow priest talents are boring as sin
>>334242319
They don't, and EA's continued profits don't contradict that.
>>334242353
I remember the first character I made was on a pvp server
exploring the world was all the more exciting
>>334242725
>>334242206
>Old WoW was made by an older dev team
im sure their new team is competent enough to pull it off
a bunch of volunteers made it happen with nost
and they were willing enough to share their work and make the source could available for everyone else
they need a competent designer to not fuck it up though
>If the Vanilla server is popular, Blizzard loses their expansion box sales
debatable
people who play vanilla arent even going to bother with the new expacs anyway
same talk when it comes to piracy
> If people are happier with vanilla, The roles of the devs, and especially the lead designer, become far less prestigious
the moment that blizzard doesnt need any lead designers is the moment they wont need people to work on new expacs,
its going to peak eventually then theyll probably decide that their old content can be worth reselling
>>334242417
At level 15/30/45/60/75/90/100 each class can pick one talent out of 3.
I guess it's not gone completely, but it's a shadow of what it once was. Changed to eliminate "cookie cutter" builds even though right now people still all use a "cookie cutter" build for raiding or pvp...just with less options.
>>334240328
>What happened to in the expansions since that have caused such backlash? Did they implement or remove stuff or did the player base just go to pot?
Did you ever play UO or SWG or any of the "world" games as opposed to "themepark" model of WoW?
Well, the old WoW is a "world" game compared to new WoW, which is basically a solo lobby for minigames where you never have to interact with anyone ever and the entire world is completely empty and you just basically play a facebook/mobile game every day and log out.
>>334234068
Blizzard plz go.
>>334242749
Just saying the truth doesn't contradict your statement doesn't make it so.
People used to hate the fuck out of EA, and still buy their games. Same can be said about Ubisoft really. Im guilty of it as well. I fucking hate uplay, but I mean the Crew is really good...
Some people may hate blizzard, but WoW sure as fuck is a drug.
>>334240328
Story-wise? Blizzard tried to tell their original stories and they're not good. Basically, vanilla and first two expansions have such appeal for people because they're still clearly tied to WC3 so it feel familiar. They also used an old existing character in Cata, but they mishandled Deathwing so badly he might as well have been any other generic evil dragon in the end.
>>334242206
>2. If the Vanilla server is popular, Blizzard loses their expansion box sales.
This. If Blizzard ever releases vanilla servers they will probably require you to buy an expansion to get access
>>334234068
>You'll like it
You think you like it, but you don't
>>334240402
What will you do about the China issue?
>>334242417
You don't die in a dungeon because the game is piss easy. I leveled a character to 70 soloing dungeons, only when the game reached 70 did soloing become not possible.
Talents are no longer trees, but you choose one of 3 abilities every 15 or so levels. Speccing is now selecting a role at lv 15, e.g. holy vs protection vs retribution, instead of shooting for certain abilities, like divine illumination or holy shield. Selecting these roles drastically changes what abilities you have access to. For example, "arcane" mages do not learn frostbolt ever and "frost" mages never ever learn fireball.
Oh yeah in addition to the abilities you have getting neutered that way, Blizzard recently homogenized all the classes, and removed all the "useless" situational abilities. Now every class has one buff and every class has an interrupt and every class has CC. They're going to remove even more abilities in legion.
>>334242353
I miss talking to strangers and grouping up with a rando to level.
I miss being intimidated by Deadwind pass.
I'll never feel the awe of stepping onto the Hellfire Peninsula for the first time again.
>>334242746
>A Murder of Crows
Shit. Take barrage.
>>334242973
that's fine. Require legion to play vanilla, problem solved.
Maybe use current expansion textures. and then frame that as the excuse.
>>334242869
>debatable
>people who play vanilla arent even going to bother with the new expacs anyway
>same talk when it comes to piracy
So why go back to blizzard and pay for a vanilla server when you can go to the next popular private server and pay nothing?
>>334242878
its less or the removal of min-maxing imo
instead of investing certain points on getting +5% X bonus vs something like +3% X bonus and +2% Y bonus
youre basically getting X or Y that you can interchange with dust
and the bonuses are situational in most cases like when you either want more aoe damage or more single target damage
>>334242746
Wow. That looks stupid. As in... it was designed for people who are stupid.
So, it sounds like most of the changes were to a make the game simpler and easier. Is that correct?If so, that explains why their numbers are falling. Where's the challenge?
>>334242887
>still have old guildmates on my battle.net friends list
>all but one of them has quit
>whenever I log in to hearthstone, I see that one WoW player is always in his "garrison"
Oh, so that's what that is.
>>334243017
Oh yeah soloing level 70 dungeons probably would have been possible if I had "heirlooms," items that cost a lot of gold that you can mail to your alts. They are essentially purples with scaling stats up to level 90.
>>334242134
>>I think the most important part of player housing is building a cool home,
Rift did this really well. Too bad they ruined it with "microtransactions" aka gambling rmt jew shit.
>>334242417
>How can you not die in a dungeon? Do you respawn or something?
Leveling dungeons (i.e. every dungeon before max level) have been tuned down. Player stats have been tuned up. And everyone leveling an alt wears heirloom (gear that scales with your level so it's nearly always best in slot until max-level).
>>334243207
>were to a make the game simpler and easier
They were to "streamline" the game and be "more efficient" so in translation yes.
People claim there's more variation in these talents than old Vanilla talents but I've seen more discussion about Vanilla warrior builds than any modern spec
>>334243132
id argue that youre paying for certain services with a sub
you get better (more or less) customer service, your account has access to more safeguarding and rollbacks whenever needed
and youre not at risk of losing your account when the server drama happens
*cough* moltenwow *cough*
Do you think WoW could get more numbers if they dropped the subscription model?
>>334243207
This talent tree style is the same way in Diablo 3 and HoTS, too. It's just what Blizzard thinks appeals to the lowest common denominator, nowadays, since that's what they think of their players.
Just like what they're saying about you think you do, but you don't. Blizzard knows best.
>>334243303
>I've seen more discussion about Vanilla warrior builds than any modern spec
That's because Blizzard has actively made the talents not fucking matter. By design you can pick any fucking talent you want and your effectiveness won't change much. When WoD was being developed, they changed talents saying "this line of talents matters too much." For example, I remember they changed the mage bomb talents because the bombs were too impactful on mage playstyle in Blizzard's opinion.
>>334242206
>>334243453
I think the only people who still want to play WoW are the people still playing WoW
>>334242959
> Blizzard tried to tell their original stories and they're not good.
weirdest part is it's still literally the same team and same lead writer. they just went to shit.
>pay for sub with gold
>doing timewalking dungeons today for weekly quest
>tanking so I can queue faster
>watching healers just stand there while I get pummeled to death
>watching a resto shaman cast chain heal to heal a single target
>people won't CC stuff I mark
>people dying to obvious telegraphed stuff like the worm in Stonecore or the first boss of Grim Batol charging then typing WTF
>dps is so pitiful that bosses take forever
>I just queue as dps so I can nuke bosses and carry people
The Cata heroics were too good for their own good. They actually had mechanics.
They've effectively ruined their game for new players and created a new generation of lazy uneducated shits.
>>334243547
It's always been shit.
>>334243132
There were times when private servers were very close to retail, but people still would rather not. I can't explain it. but it's the same reason people buy single player games instead of pirate I guess. I remember I have a friend obsessed with WOTLK who still plays I think, anyway I asked him to play molten with me and we was just like "yeah but private server."
>>334242353
If you ever resub, try out the undead questline. 1-30 is pretty fun. Closest to comfy atmosphere I've played in WoW for a while.
>>334243510
>every MM hunter took Lone Wolf because they other options were garbage
>Blizzard's take on this was to just make Lone Wolf staple for MM and remove pets from their gameplay completely
>Survival is now melee and essentially just a reference to the melee hunter meme from Vanilla
>only true hunter spec left now is Beast Mastery
>>334242973
im sure thats fine
if they need to reopen servers or go through loops
im expecting them to be a jew about it
and depending on the situation thats probably going to be a bonus to some people if they plan to pair it with legion
you get a new expac and vanilla
but i dont expect them to be that atruistic when the time comes
>>334243207
There is still challenge, but it only exists in the form of Mythic (the highest of the 4 difficulties) raiding.
But that's obviously not enough for most people to justify $15 a month.
>>334243789
>reference to the melee hunter meme from Vanilla
In Blizzard's defense, Rexxar is a hunter and only uses bows in Hearthstone. He uses axes in WC3.
>>334242959
>Basically, vanilla and first two expansions have such appeal for people because they're still clearly tied to WC3 so it feel familiar
Vanilla, TBC and to an extent Wotlk worked because there was almost literally no story.
Vanilla is just a bunch of random quest chains that culminate in raids eventually. And that's honestly a fine way of handling an mmo story.
Doing a WC3 style campaign for an mmo doesn't work because you have thousands of player characters
Imagine how colossally shit raids like BWL or Zulaman would have been if there had been some kind of campaign storyline leading up to them and the raids had cutscenes/scripted events with npcs at the helm?
This shit destroys the flow of the game
>>334238824
The dudes that hosted Nost couldn't make an MMO, private server shit for WoW almost runs itself. All it needs is some minor tweaks here and there, but they do not posses the skills to create their own MMO.
>>334243696
> Decide to try out worgens becauseI'm a furfag
> Level up from 1 to 40 ,feel like discovering a new game because I never made an Alliance character
> Was high on acid the whole time
This, with the very first character I created, were the best experience I had with WoW.
>>334241783
...
>>334243696
>get to Brill
>old comfy brill was torn down and replaced with Gothic cathedrals
I played Horde for 10 years and they ruined them in Cata
>>334243982
>high the whole time
I feel like this is mainly why.
>>334243982
I know the feeling, played a lot of Alliance before. Decided to try out undead, it was comfy. The sad thing is that it will all be the same shit in the endgame, but at least we had levels 1-40. ;_;
itt: we try and list actual good things to come to WoW since Cata.
Worgens, Transmogs.
Im out already.
Anybody?
>>334244015
The storyline if fun though, but I agree that they went too retard with the gothic theme.
My favorite quest is the one where you're the questgiver. Fine change of pace.
>>334243789
i guess people wanted pet/melee like unholy dks but didnt like the dk class overall
>>334243952
>uses bows in Hearthstone
yeah what is up with that shit
you see him in desolace or in blade's edge in wow and hes wearing 2 axes
suddenly bows
was nobody else a better candidate to be the hunter in HS?
>>334243602
The vanilla Eastern and Western Plaguelands stuff was pretty good.
>>334244113
green shortstack porn
>>334244129
fucking vanilla, man
>tiny ass 4:3 resolution
>let's cram more shit around the edges so it seems even smaller
>>334237086
>the opportunity to tell blizzard's entire playerbase and the players of all their other games about a legacy server, as well as former paying customers that they still have the emails of and literally every site that they already advertise on
>comparing this to the playerbase of a private server that, for their own good, could only get its advertising done through word of mouth and private server listings
information flow is important whenever we're talking about this sort of thing and if you don't realize this you're either shitposting or haven't actually thought about it past the minimum amount of effort that a shitposter would give anyway
For nostalgia purposes, here's a thorough review of WoW written in 2005
http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/wow/index.html
>played EQ
>never got to play Classic WoW
>finally got to with Nost
I liked it. Basically EQ but a bit easier. The people who made it clearly wanted to make an rpg first and a balanced game second.
So many decisions were made to accommodate lore/rpg elements rather than just balance or player convenience. Its why Undead are stronger as Shadow spec and why Paladin spells like Exorcism only work on demons or undead.
Playing retail now and the classes all seem dull and sterile. There's not much now that makes them unique from another melee dps aside from the armor and weapons they use.
Their buffs don't really matter because they overlap with other class specs buffs. They don't have DI anymore, paladin tanks aoe abilities don't matter because other tanks can aoe tank just as well and most of the healing spells are restricted to holy. Paladins basically had all their lore and class identity stripped from them.
Doing those paladin class quests on Nost where I had to protect a woman from thieves and revive a fallen comrade to get my resurrection spell made me feel like a paladin
This is technically "balanced' but it makes for a boring dull rpg.
>>334244126
Rexxar is the OG hunter though. His expansion was essentially a WoW prototype. I guess they gave Rexxar bows because hunter = bows in most people's eyes.
>>334244284
This.
I literally never heard of Nost till it was shut down, and I've played private servers in the past. Now how would nonpirate/private server fags know or gain interest in Nost. Hype is everything, why do you think Ubisoft sells so god damn well?
Do RuneScape's old school servers have a population?
If so, why wouldn't it work for WoW?
>>334244126
>was nobody else a better candidate to be the hunter in HS?
Name an important hunter in WoW lore that isn't alleria or Nathanos Blightcaller. There's your answer
Legacy servers WILL happen in the far, far future, after the last xpac for WoW is released, and Blizzard wants to milk the last they can out of WoW. Just brace yourselves for that. Give it 10 years.
>>334244461
Oldschool runescape servers actually have more players than the current game.
>>334244461
RS3 player here, I can reliably say that the Runescape population is pretty equally split between RS3 and OSRS.
>>334244461
Jagex made classic servers because the new Runescape they made was utter garbage and no one liked it.
Not the case with WoW. Despite how shit retail is, its still got mongoloids playing it
>>334244479
Sylvanas? It would make more sense since she uses a bow and such.
>>334239210
that """"joke"""" didn't even make any sense. get better bants.
>>334234068
>You'll like it if you just give it a chance.
About 11 million people thought they'd like it, but it a lot of them don't.
>>334244479
Green Hills of Stranglethorn Dwarf. Fuck. I guess I lose since that isn't his name.
>You think you do, but you don't.
Is this the new Toddposting?
>>334244558
>Jagex made classic servers because the new Runescape they made was utter garbage and no one liked it.
Ah okay. Totally different. The Key word is in "knew."
>>334244531
No. You think they do, but they don't.
>>334244528
10 years?
they can pull off vanilla servers in a week
and im sure the garrison missions v2.0 arent saving them subs
>>334244641
Hemmet Nessingwary
I got you senpai
>>334244606
I found it funny.
Fuck you.
>>334244685
>they can pull off vanilla servers in a week
You know that's not actually going to happen, though. Blizzard will just wait for this legacy server hype to die out and move on. It will happen though.
>>334234068
> paying a monthly fee for the privelige of playing a game that isn't even worthy of being called a turd....
>>334244113
>Transmogs
No. These people can't even dress themselves properly, and now you give them 14 slots to equip their PC with?
90% of them look like ass (or are slutmogs), 5% look mediocre, 3% look decent, and 2% look good.
>>334244674
You think it is, but it's not.
Anybody else really want legacy servers because they missed out on a lot of the content of classic WoW and want a chance to experience it?
>>334244674
See that mountain?
You think you want to climb that mountain, but you don't.
>>334244113
MoP
>>334244461
Yeah, higher than the main game if I remember correctly.
>>334244848
Give me specifics anon.
>>334244713
hemmet is very close to being a hunter
he doesnt tame them like rexxar though
>>334244568
i think shes more of a ranger/dark ranger
RuneScape is shutting down the osrs servers due to lack of interest.
Turns out people don't like playing stagnant MMOs with no future content, who knew?
Daily reminder that there will never be another raid trailer better than Gods of Zul'Aman and that Zul'jin did nothing wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmndxoF74qQ
>>334244806
I want them back because all MMOs now have almost no community, since 90% of them have a dungeon-finder or something similar.
I'd even play up to Mists if they didn't have the fucking dungeon/raid-finders.
>>334244934
You think you don't, but you do.
Also No they aren't you faggot.
World of Warcraft is pure shit, I want the old Warcraft games back, why can't you stupid fucks just let it die?
>>334244897
The isles
PokemonThe new talent system
>>334244743
But that just makes your character look more badass in comparison.
>>334245030
because it makes money even when theyre losing subs
>>334233541
He's right though, WoW players, mmo players, videogames players in general, don't know what they want.
>>334244934
there's actually slightly more people on OSRS than RS3 right now
>>334245162
And neither does Blizzard.
I wonder if Hearthstone is making more money than WoW yet
>>334245304
im sure the income from wow is more reliable
despite the loss of subs
>>334233060
>People are still bitching about this
Just let it go already, Your special snowflake server is not coming back.
Vanilla was garbage compared to the next two expansions anyway.
>>334244113
Reforging, Goblins, Brawler's Guild, Scenarios, Challenge Mode.
That's about it unfortunately.
>>334245446
>Scenarios
nah
334245359
Your baitfu is weak, it is not even worth giving you a (You).
>>334245446
I thought MoP was actually a pretty good xpac.... It's just unfortunate that for all of the great things it did it came right after the (second) worst expansion ever and carried all the bad things from it with it.
Farming was comfy and the asian themed continent was actually an interesting place to explore (I loved all the Mantid themed stuff in particular)
>>334244806
Yes. I was mad at how garbage Naxx 2.0 was so I was unsubbed during Ulduar. I've regretted it ever since.
I want to do Zul'Gurub and Zul'Aman all over again too.
>>334245527
I played wow from 2005 up till shortly before the siege of Orgrimmar patch in MoP and I can honestly say I would not want to go back to vanilla.
Would I go back to Wotlk? Maybe
BC? Hell yes.....but vanilla was a badly balanced shitfest that I can't justify wanting back after how perfect BC was.
Class balance was a fucking joke and 40 man raids (while fun as hell) were a nightmare to organize from an officer perspective (it was usually about 22-25 competent people and a bunch of chimps who didn't know fire burned....which made the 25 man size a godsend).
It was fun, I have fond memories of it, but it was nothing close to a well designed game....BC literally fixed everything I hated about it and then some....and while Wotlk introduced some controversial things (and arguable one of the worst filler raid tiers ever) it improved upon what was good from BC even further. People who want Vanilla back are just being hipsters.
>>334245162
Yeah but in this specific case we do.
Random Complaint about WoW in General.
Why didn't they scale dungeons instead of making them useless?
like grinding the extra 10 levels each expansion was sometimes fun, but not enough to justify making all your gameplay of previous expansions effectively useless. Why didn't they just make dungeons scale after each other instead? e.g. Cataclysm launches, and ICC is still relelvant cause you need tier 10 to do the dungeons, you can't level up instead. Tier 10 HC infact is sometimes better, etc. so a new player would still have to grind out all the old endgame raids.
Or why not just make them still relevant and instead scale them to meet new endgame level and gear?
>>334245954
In this specific case you're so displeased by the current state of the game that you just want to go back to a clean slate. You're willing to ignore the fact that bare bones WoW was fucking terrible compared to the expansion that directly followed it because you're willing to cut off your arm to spite your hand.
>>334245869
>I would not want to go back to vanilla.
You think you don't but you do.
Shutting down now made sense because now they need to play retail which just added 800k players to their user base.
It's called business you fucking dumb fucks. "Let's let people pirate the game, that's brilliant".
Nos should have been sued to set an example for people who treat software as bullshit they can pass around with consequences.
WoW is still there, just because your free game is gone doesn't mean you can't play WoW idiots.
As an Alliance player I would love to cheer for a character that in my faction that isn't a reactive leader.
I want to follow Genn as he leads an expedition to re-conquer Gilneas (or at least Southern Arathi, perhaps renaming Stromgarde as New Gilneas City.)
I want to follow a badass Night Elf as she and the allied Worgen forces push the remnants of Garrosh's forces out of Ashenvale, and see the druids heal it.
I want to quest with the Westfall Brigade as they secure that region once and fall all, and clean up the final traces of the gnolls and Delfias, following the death of Vanessa Vancleef in Cataclysm.
I want to follow a badass Draenei character who won't be killed off or be forgotten on Neo-Draenor.
I want to fight alongside the Deathknight Admiral Taylor in service to the Alliance.
Etc. What the hell is wrong with the writers, why are they making my faction so god damn reactive (for no reason!). Why destroy Theramore to give Jaina character development, only to do jack shit with Jaina, minus a Dalaran storyline that goes nowhere?
>>334246090
>Three tank specs
>Only one of them is allowed to tank
>Three hybrid classes
>They have one healing spec, they're healers
If you badly balanced shit then go play everquest.
>>334246023
Because lol no new raid only old ones scaled is perfect for a lazy expansion and it will happen sooner or later.
We have timewalking instances though.
>>334246079
The guy asking the question literally said "previous expansions"
For all they knew He could of wanted fucking Cataclysm servers.
>>334245869
All shitposts aside this is mostly true, but I think you would get best of both worlds with progression servers.
Also I would love to play a 40 man raid with a better monitor and 60fps.
>>334245446
>reforging removed from game
>blizzard STILL creates crit int mail
COME THE FUCK ON
>>334246118
0/10, not even remotely convincing.
>>334246196
>You're willing to ignore the fact that bare bones WoW was fucking terrible compared to the expansion that directly followed it
subjective
>>334246118
3/10 you tried.
But
>they need to play retail which just added 800k players to their user base.
Gave it away, way too soon.
>>334246258
well, he's kinda right, people were basically pirating the game and playing for free
>>334246118
Not a single person that left Nost went to retail. Over 100 people THAT I'VE SEEN had even refunded legion. You are lacking some serious critical thinking skills there.
>>334246309
It makes perfect sense. If you really piss off a bunch of people they'll start paying you every month to do something they don't want to do.
>>334246172
Blame it all on Furor because of EQ's balancing.
>>334246350
It would be pirating if it was the same game. Garrison simulator isn't the same as the game when it first came out.
>>334239565
>thank you for the great service fatty. But I'm still pirating games
>>334246172
Tbh I would have tried EQ2 when it first came out if the character models weren't so repulsive
Meanwhile at blizzard headquarters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znobaqshbsg
>>334233452
No, you don't.
Vanilla WoW nostalgiafags baffle me. WoW was never a good game at any point in time, the game you worship and hate Blizzards for casualizing was the fucking poster child for shit casualized MMOs back during the so called golden age of vanilla that you all cherish so much. I've never understood the fascination post-2007 /v/ has with this shit game, and why 99% of the complaints you post about modern WoW are about QoL features like flying/fast travel and group finders. Surely there's worse things Blizzard has done to the game that don't involve removing the need to stand outside of a dungeon spamming LFG all day.
>>334246134
The problem is that there is no reason for the Alliance to not completely wipe out the horde. The Nelves should have the control of everything north of Orgrimmar, which should be under constant siege, and the Barrens, because who is going to stop them?
>>334246309
>you tried
No I didn't.
>>334234068
t.metzen
>>334246618
>The problem is that there is no reason for the Alliance to not completely wipe out the horde.
It would be to costy to do something like that and in the end it wouldn't be worth it.
>>334246610
>the game you worship and hate Blizzards for casualizing was the fucking poster child for shit casualized MMOs back during the so called golden age of vanilla that you all cherish so much.
Absolutely correct. And it's still better than any MMO released since. Isn't that a sad state of affairs?
I'd obviously rather play something like SWG with 15k people online but SWGEmu doesn't even have JtL yet and the playerbase is tiny, so this was the next best thing.
>>334246293
I was a shaman for all of vanilla wow. I loved enhancement leveling up and wanted nothing more than to crush stuff with lightning infused hammer and watch windfury crit the shit out of things. I'll never forget when I got that lvl 30 ish axe from RFK and saw my first 4 digit crit...it was amazing.
And then I hit 60 and the crushing reality that I either had to become a dedicated healbot or reroll hit me like a ton of bricks. It was like spending hours baking an amazing cake, sitting down to eat your awesome cake, and then get told you aren't allowed to eat that cake...cake was reserved for the other classes.....you just got to bake it and watch them enjoy it.
Then BC comes along and suddenly every spec is viable. I got to eat my cake....it was delicious. I don't want to go back to watching everyone else enjoy cake while I press healing wave like a moron, fuck that.
On a side note I later made a disc priest and that was actually a fun healer to play.
>>334246172
>Three tank specs
>Only one of them is allowed to tank
>drinking the minmaxer's cock flavored koolaid
Nigga palatanks got by just fine.
>inb4 but raids
Palatanking could happen with raids, most groups just weren't willing. The lack of a taunt wasn't that bad because blessing of protection. Additional paladins in the raid, which you'd want anyway, would allow for more frequent switching.
I never saw too many druid tanks, but I think there were some people that were into it.