ITT: we discuss why this game is going to fail.
Let's be honest: it isn't touching Witcher 3, let alone Dark Souls or Skyrim.
>>333836706
Well Zelda isn't an RPG, and those games are so you kind of can't compare them
It won't touch them in sales, because of marketing.
But it will very likely be better than them, as a video game.
>or Skyrim
Nice extra bait on the end of the hook there.
>>333837163
They are all exploration fantasy games.
>>333836706
The game is going to fail because it won't even fucking come out.
Nintendo is going to pretend it doesn't exist and just release the NX instead with another new Super Mario Bros game.
I want this game to be good so fucking badly. But I know deep, deep down it's not going to be because Aonuma doesn't know how to make a good video game.
>>333836706
Nigga what are you talking about, it's not even out yet
During the period of OoT, Nintendo games were the definition of the absolute peak of AAA in the game industry.
High budget, ultra well polished games. Nobody else could afford to develop a game over 5 years except for Nintendo.
And when the games came out there were the apex of cutting edge for video games.
What the fuck happened?
>>333837370
That term is so broad that the comparison isn't even fair.
>>333836706
We don't know much about it except for some rumors. It's too early to decide if it will fail.
>>333838954
They stopped affording it obviously. The Gamecube and Nintendo64 were not succesful.
>>333836706
Witcher 3, Dark Souls and Skyrim-players aren't the target audience for a new Zelda game.
>>333836706
>that art style
Fucking dropped.
>>333836706
zelda has interesting lore, items, and actually has dungeons that arent a bunch of random shit in a cave
As long as it's going to be playable with the Wii U Pro controller, it should be fine because it means they won't force any gimmicks on us.
>>333838956
It's fair enough when Zelda started the genre and many people judged the games on that standard.
Problem is that over the years Zelda games have gone from action-adventure to puzzle games.
Doesn't matter. You'll buy it anyway.
its in the pii u
>>333840996
>interesting lore
ganon steals zelda and link has to rescue her. He will use his sword (wood -> steel -> master), his hookshot and some bomb flowers in order to do so. For every interesting concept in the series (like the lanayu desert) there's two more that are vanilla platforming
>>333841138
TH-R-EAD
>>333841238
yes, and that still more interesting than skyrim and witcher u dumb faggot
>>333836706
>Let's be honest: it isn't touching Witcher 3, let alone Dark Souls or Skyrim.
THIS!
All Nintendo can shit out are barebone, simplistic Amiibo Festival casual turds. Their games have zero depth or complexity.
>>333836706
No one owns a Wii U
No one will own an NX
simple
Nintendo's lost their mojo. No new 3D Mario, no Metroid, last Zelda was shit.
They're doomed.
Zelda U is definitely going to be the best controlling Zelda game, if we take into account WWHd and TPHD control and UI improvements.
>>333836706
>let alone Dark Souls or Skyrim.
>>333836706
>we know little about the game
>ITS GUNNA PHAIL GUIZE SO BY BITCHER 3 AND DANK SOLS ON LE KHAN SOUL WHERE GREATNESS^TM AW8S :^)
>>333841441
Play FE: Conquest and say that again. You'll shit yourself crying about artificial difficulty.
>>333841238
ganon steals zelda at like the very end of oot
No guns.
Why doesn't Link have a gun?
Also the thought of female Link is dumb.
How about making Zelda playable? Or is that too much work...the worst people are the ones who say "I wanna play as Zelda!" and insist she use a sword.
>>333841238
>ganon steals zelda and link has to rescue her.
That only happened in 4 games. 5 if you count Squidward Sword.
>>333841819
>Play FE: Conquest and say that again. You'll shit yourself crying about artificial difficulty.
We call them nugamers.
>>333841328
skyrim has better lore, it's just that beth are hacks and do stupid things with it (re: being able to kill the emporer and nobody notices)
>>333836706
3D Zelda games haven't been good for 13 years. Who cares anymore?
>muh Aonuma boogeyman
>muh Zelda U shitposting
Can't wait until it comes out and everyone loves it.
I bet you liked Skyward Sword.
OP is a 12 year old Xboxfag
>>333836706
I think it's a pretty mediocre series with one or two very good games
But it won't fail
Drones will buy it just because it's a Zelda game
>>333836706
Why do people compare Zelda to RPGs?
>>333842864
>2003 was 13 years ago
Fuck
>>333836706
This isn't Zelda. It's some cheap Unity game made by a crappy dev trying to sell a horsebackriding simulator.
>>333841819
>>333836706
Nice bait
>>333841819
holy shit you really nailed step #1 through #4
>>333843217
>>333843217
You're acting like the guy he was replying to was even making an argument in the first place.
Nobody knows how good or bad Zelda U will be because nobody knows a fucking thing about the game.
Why make such a pointless thread holy shit kill yourself.
The gameplay footage they showed a while ago looks pretty stale and like just about every other 3D Zelda.
>>333843217
>>333843364
So do you have an actual refutation or are you just going to post ad hominem reaction images and samefag?
>>333843397
you still got the style down perfectly. i'm sure you're a /v/eteran
>>333843589
I'm not that guy though, you're just a retard.
Pessimist, games going to score at least an 8.8 easy.
>>333836706
Here's why its not going to fail
>Its Legend of Zelda
Boom, done.
>>333843397
Anon, ironic shitposting is still shitposting, even against actual shitposting.
>>333843579
it's just an observation. i dont know whether zelda is gonna be good or not, i just immediately thought of that picture when i saw your post. it's scary how accurate it is on here.
>>333843682
One of the most popular game series of all time will fail.
People legitimately think like this
>>333843674
Game scores aren't really all that relevant.
>>333843667
:^)
>>333837370
"Exploration fantasy" is painting with broad strokes there bruh, skyrim and dark souls you can play the Role in RPG, in LoZ you play as link and thats it.
6/10 bait, you made me reply.
>>333843863
He was being sarcastic you dumb fuck, 8.8 is the score TP got.
>>333837370
Skyrim and Witcher 3 are boring games where you either follow the dots in the map to find cutscenes or complete useless fetch quests.
Zelda has actual exploration that rewards you with items.
>>333836706
Well judging by previous three 3D Zelda entries
>Story takes up too much time for something not very interesting
>Sidequests are just collectathons spanning the entire map that aren't fun to search for and aren't fun to find by coincidence
>Combat involves you just waiting for an opening/any nuances to the combat are made optional so no enemy is designed with you having to use them in mind
Now it seems like they have some of this stuff in mind, and they're trying to go in a different direction from before, but I'm not really on the hype train.
It's actually crazy how under wraps this game is.
>>333836706
to be honest it's going to fail because Nintendo has no fucking idea how to make good games anymore.
Cause Nintendo is unusually good at leaving out shit that should be standard on their games/consoles.
Pretty much that. They're stubborn about it, and flat out ignore it when called out.
nontindo tunnel vision
It's a major Zelda game. There's no way it'll fail, unless every publication says it will set your Wii U on fire and kill your pets/family.
Zelda has some unbelievable "untouchability" to it. Even the worst Zelda games sold like crazy.
>>333838954
>ultra well polished games.
They still are moron. Nintendo games generally have no bugs/glitches, have stable high framerates, fluid controls,etc.
>>333836706
We both know it doesn't have to and is going to sell a shit load of copies. Why did you make this shitty thread OP?
The game could be amazing, but failure is still very likely because
>Wii U
And it being ported to NX could make the situation worse, because no one knows what the fuck the NX even is yet
>>333846926
too bad the games themselves are shitty
>>333847460
That-s just like, uh, your opinion man
>>333847510
with Skyward Sword and Other M I think it's more of a fact.
>>333847589
>Largest developer in the world has a few bad apples that are still good games but bad in their respective iconic series
okay
>>333836706
>Zelda
>Fail
I think you underestimate the Nintendrones. This is literally the highlights of their lives.
>>333846887
To be fair, even the worst Zelda games aren't really bad games, just weak compared to others in its own series.
>we will never get a story about Ganondorf starting off good and slowly sinking into evil and both Link and Ganondorf having regrets about the way things went in their final fight
>>333836706
You know it will. Blame the publishers who wanna meet "deadlines" and don't wanna give the devs enough time to add attention to detail. Happens every time.
Modern AAA devs are lazy as fuck too. So that's another thing to blame.
fan made games > major studio made games
>ITT: we discuss why this game is going to fail.
Because of Aonuma
It's a Zelda game. Those weren't actually good since like 2002.
>>333836706
Because Zelda hasn't really been great since majoras mask. I still want to believe though.
>>333847895
Skyward Sword and Phantom Hourglass are pretty bad.
Not even by series standards, just by adventure game standards.
>>333848495
Personally, I think SS gets too much flak, the sky is empty, but the overworld on the ground is pretty good, and it has some great bosses save for The Imprisoned one.
I can agree with PH, though.
>>333848909
>the overworld on the ground is pretty good
It's filled with shit filler content though.
And nobody really wants Mario 64 painting levels in a Zelda game.
>>333845086
>Zelda used to have actual exploration that rewarded you with items.
FTFY
>>333840430
>muh graphic
>>333836706
Monolith Soft has made a better open world than your western RPG and they help with Zelda Wii U. So no, the game won't fail, faggot.
>>333849475
>That reading comprehension.
>>333848446
No, no proof, just lies.
Here's a detailed breakdown of what's up:
http://bakerbrothertv.com/2016/04/09/toby-turner-tobuscus-rape-drugs/
>>333849614
Xenoblade Chronicles came out last generation though.
>>333849820
Xenoblade X
>>333850040
LOL
>>333850181
>LOL XD
>>333847990
that woudl actually be a very good idea
>will u
>>333850040
>>333850312
XCX was shit bro. And when was it ever stated that MS is helping with Zelda?
>>333850181
You can say that Xeno X is a shitty rpg (story, gameplay, characters,..), but in term of world design and exploration, the game is fucking better than any of your open world games.
Zelda is all about world design and exploration, so it's clearly a good point if Monolith is here to help Nintendo with it.
>>333850469
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/06/monolith_soft_open_to_helping_get_zelda_wii_u_ready_for_launch
>>333850941
>but in term of world design and exploration, the game is fucking better than any of your open world games.
You need to play more vidya, because it definitely wasn't. The exploration was meaningless, and the world only had 5 areas with NO CIVILIZATIONS.
>>333850469
XCX was shit I agree. The characters suck, the story is thin & shit, & music is hyper-anime garbage but the world design & environment design in XCX is fantastic.
>>333843217
>LE I DUN LIKE HOW /V/ IS FUK THIS PLACE OMG XD
>>333851221
It wasn't. There was no story or lore to any if the world. Worldbuilding is a lot more than pretty backdrops. Last XC had much better world.
>>333836706
>it won't touch games its not like
Good? Personally I don't like either Souls games or Skyrim, so why the fuck would I want that?
I'm pretty optimistic about it.
>>333851509
>Last XC had much better world.
This is what nintenyearolds actually believe. A generic jrpg with shounen tier plot and characters is considered a masterpiece by these retards. No wonder you faggots hold stuff like Wind Waker in such high regard.
>Witcher 3
>Good
Even Zelda's 'mash b' combat beats Witcher's unresponsive Asscreed tier shit combat.
>>333836706
>it isn't touching Witcher 3, let alone Dark Souls or Skyrim
Here's your reply. Bonus points for making me post an image.
>>333836706
OP can't be so mentally handicapped can he?
>>333854336
>Nintenyearolds
Are you stupid? The retards that defend the piece of shit that was XCX are drones that try to justify their purchase. It was a shit game, and I regret buying it.
XC was marginally better in that it had a better story and more interesting world. Don't even try to tell me that XCX had any semblance of decent writing.
>>333836706
in two words :Zelda cycle
>>333841118
>Problem is that over the years Zelda games have gone from action-adventure to puzzle games.
???
>>333855252
Three words:
Doesn't exist retard.
>choose between male and female
Das it mane. Zelda has succumbed to SJW pandering.
>>333855570
>>333836706
baito desu senpai
Skyrim and Wtcher are shit
>>333856361
That's because SS IS the worst you fucking mongoloid.
>>333848909
The issue wasn't exactly the content for the overworld, it was how it wound up being dispersed.
The sky was barren to the point it was laughable, and the surface was cluttered to the point it felt more like a dungeon than an overworld. I don't even think Twilight Princess took THAT long to get to the first dungeon if you made good headway with the village stuff, but SS has the Skyloft tutorial, and THEN forces you to explore the forest, hunt around for the kiwi things, and cross the gorge area before it FINALLY lets you do the first dungeon. Hell, by the time you finish opening up all the dungeons and shit on the overworld, most of the neat little puzzles and sidequests have been done on their own and there's nothing left to explore.
The fact that the entire game was divided into discrete zones made the content disparity even worse, like the ONLY thing to do in the sky is go hunt down cubes, but even that manages to be boring because you aren't doing anything except spending time retrieving an item that's already marked for you. As if finding the cube on the surface wasn't enough, you're forced to go on stupid excursions back the the barren sky for your reward just to pad out the game.
>>333856623
>Zelda Tp was the worst zelda
>Now its SS
What zelda cycle is
>>333858179
That's because SS managed to be worse that TP. That's not a "Zelda cycle" that's the series getting progressively worse.
>>333858179
>people hold the opinion that TP is the worst
>SS comes along and it manages to be even more awful
>SS now considered the worst
The latest game in the series being the worst doesn't mean the rest of the games get retroactively better you dunce. What is the matter with you?
everybody in this thread: STOP and
see >>333847510
based el duderino
>>333836706
western games R soooo much better, because we r western gamers and its cool.
>>333847589
>skyward sword
I think you meant Majora's Mask, that one sucks both as a Zelda and as a game
Other M is still shit
>>333858402
>Says SS AND TP suck
>posts toon link
They're not bad, you have terrible taste
>>333858871
>what is a reaction image
I get it now, you're just fucking dense.
>>333837343
>It won't touch them in sales, because of marketing.
It's Zelda, you think Nintendo's not going to market the everloving shit out of it? This is one of their best sellers.
>>333840996
>interesting lore
no.
>>333843217
>>333841819
nailed it
Well to talk shit about a game, details and specifics are needed, but we don't know a fucking thing about this because Nintendo refuses to talk about it or show it.
>>333840380
why make it open world then ?
>>333836706
I honestly believe the game will be good and the NX will be a success. Nintendo has something up their sleeve with the next console
Are people really so afraid of Zelda selling good that they even shitpost XBX's world?
XBX had THE most alive world ever. It wasn't just bullshit interactions all around. Monsters actually behaved like monsters and the whole world wasn't just a level progression dungeon.
Zelda with that world? 100/10.
>>333847990
This would be interesting. You as the player, know he's evil, but he's just Links friend.
There would even be scenes where you think shit is about to get real and Ganon will show his true colors, but they're just friends.
>>333860327
>>333858275
>>333858402
If you look around, you'll see TP getting alot of praise now. Why? Because the people who played it as kids are now adults and are now the majority. What used to be mostly hated is now mostly loved. Now the latest 3D game, Skyward Sword, is the most hated. In a few years people will warm up to it because kids who grew up with it have fond memories of playing it.
Zelda cycle.
>>333860143
>witcher/dark souls/skyrim invented open warudo
________age of 18
_________(You)r age
>>333859059
Nice cover up, ww babby
>>333847990
I want this!
>>333847589
Those games are 5 and 6 years old respectively
Don't get me wrong, I don't like those games either, but Nintendo has since left that rut of bad games
>>333836706
Aonuma
>>333844096
So riding on horse back across vast fields, mountains, plains, and deserts while exploring the land and killing monsters can't be compared to other games that do the same exact thing...because of the genre title?
8/8 you're a fucking faggot
>>333848909
The combat overall is awful though, motion controls aside, and it has one of the worst Zelda stories ever.
>>333861357
This is the same company that's releasing Federation Force this year.
>>333861010
>ww babby
>people will continue to unironically use this term, despite ww being nearly 15 years old
fucking oot babby
>>333861945
And Paper Mario Color Splash, too.
>>333861357
And they were the last major releases in those franchises.
Why does Nintendo take so long to make games? How did Skyward Sword end up shit after FIVE YEARS?
>>333861945
Which isn't necessarily going to be a bad game. I'd rather have a new main series Metroid game too, but just because something is unwanted doesn't mean it'll be inherently bad.
>>333836706
>gender options for a 30-year old iconic character to pander to SJWS and otaku
>world won't be that big by today's standards, maybe the size of Skyrim's
>world looks fucking ugly and not something I'd be to explore with all of those hideous rock textures, cut & paste trees and block mountains
>Aonuma is still in charge of the franchise
>has to compete with FFXV and its astonishing marketing gig
>will probably have shitty marketing in itself
>has to pick up from the horrible fallout of Skyward Sword, and just the slow downfall of the IP within the last 10 years in general
>world will probably be empty, game play will suffer from severe and lacking difficulty pacing issues
>modern kids and younger teens don't care about it, the majority of Zelda fanbase is probably 17-35 now, and people haven't liked the direction this franchise has been going in for a while because Nintendo wants to turn it into kiddie trash, thus effectively destroying their own user base
Yeah, this is destined to fail. And rightfully so. Maybe not an utter disaster, but it'll under-perform and it definitely won't be a hit.
>>333838954
they still are polished as hell though
>>333858629
>Majora's Mask is worse than Skyward Sword
Get the fuck outta here
>>333847990
>Nintendo will never do this, they will continue making the same story, but with a different world.
>>333862189
>Which isn't necessarily going to be a bad game
Have you even seen any footage?
>>333862161
Because that's how long video games take to make.
>it's an anti-ninty circlejerk thread
and just the other day people were ranting about how it's the most loved company on /v/
>>333862197
Bitter Assumptions: The Post: The Experience
>>333862432
>>333847990
>mfw Nintendo doesn't have the balls to do an awesome plot like this
>instead they have the balls to sell out their character to weebs and SJWS via gender options
KOIZUMI PLEASE COME BACK
>>333862432
>the one creative Zelda storyteller is now stuck working on Mario games
Fug
>>333836706
Zelda isn't even in the same genre as those games.
>>333862667
More like realistic expectations: the post.
>>333862197
I love you, anon.
>>333862517
No it's not. Skyward Sword only took that long because halfway through they entirely remodeled the combat.
![zziA9WF[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zvDAsUv.jpg "zziA9WF[1].jpg")
>>333862717
>Mario doesn't even have that big of a story
>Paper Mario doesn't even have a fucking story anymore, or any redeeming qualities other than muh graphics
There are people on /v/ who liked Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword. It does't matter how good it is. Nothing will ever change.
>>333862952
>>333862717
It really is all because of Miyamoto, isn't it?
When will that man retire?
>>333863121
Miyamoto killed Zelda
Everything is his fault
>>333863276
I know you're baiting, but he really kind of did by putting Aonuma in charge of it.
>>333863443
Why did he even after Aonuma almost fucked up Majora's Mask?
>>333847589
>Skyward Sword
Not only is it 5 years old, they released TFH and ALBW since then
>>333862802
>that first meme arrow
>>>>>>>reallistic
Didn't even read the rest lol
>>333863603
Mario was their golden goose at the time, so it seems obvious to send the most talented director to the bigger franchise.
But now the Zelda franchise is in serious trouble. If Zelda U blows, then the franchise is on its last knees. Koizumi needs to return to save it, or they might as well give up and accept that they're own EAD team is shit, and hand the IP over to a competent second party.
It will be exactly the same as every other retarded Zelda game before it. Solve 3+ and older puzzles, open chests with generic items, explore boring as fucking shit dungeons, never evolve intellectually.
Usual nintoddler stuff.
>>333863683
>the recent rumors
>Linkle
>that leaked Zelda U Direct video with the father and his daugher
>vague rumors from Aonuma
>Miyamoto and Aonuma talking about the potential of a live-action TV series, the former commenting that a girl should play Link
>implying it isn't happening
>>333863793
>yfw Koizumi-directed Zelda developed by Retro Studios
>>333864252
I have a Wii U and I won't be buying this. I haven't enjoyed a 3D Zelda since Majora's Mask and Wind Waker.
>>333863995
>>the recent rumors
Did you believe the NX controller rumor, too?
>>Linkle
Non-canon KT OC
>>that leaked Zelda U Direct video with the father and his daugher
OoT confirmed SJW shit because it has men with daughters! Oh, wait, that's fucking retarded
>>vague rumors from Aonuma
Source?
>>Miyamoto and Aonuma talking about the potential of a live-action TV series, the former commenting that a girl should play Link
They had a girl play link in the LttP commercial, that didn't mean shit.
>>333864389
>that leaked Zelda U Direct video with the father and his daugher
wait, what?
>>333862197
>gender options for a 30-year old iconic character to pander to SJWS and otaku
so?
>world won't be that big by today's standards, maybe the size of Skyrim's
good
>world looks fucking ugly and not something I'd be to explore with all of those hideous rock textures, cut & paste trees and block mountains
Skyrim looked like major ass, that didn't stop them
>Aonuma is still in charge of the franchise
so?
>has to compete with FFXV and its astonishing marketing gig
ah yes, I forgot that Zelda is competing with a game that's not even on the same platform...?
>will probably have shitty marketing in itself
k
>has to pick up from the horrible fallout of Skyward Sword, and just the slow downfall of the IP within the last 10 years in general
Skyward Sword is not considered a bad game by most fans of the series, just because you constantly see that opinion on this website does not mean it's an overall popular sentiment.
>world will probably be empty, game play will suffer from severe and lacking difficulty pacing issues
horribly bitter and relatively unfounded assumption that is absolutely meaningless to whether or not the game will be a "failure" since any and all open world games you might compare this to suffer from a difficulty curve that looks like a stifled white noise signal
>>333864832
>Aonuma is still in charge of the franchise
>so?
Aonuma pls go
>>333847589
>Skyward Sword
it's really not. I'd rather play that then a fairly large portion of games from AAA developers.
>>333836706
you can't say is going to fail because
>1 because we dont know anything about it
>2 its a ultra popular franchise
>3 can't be worse than some other bad zelda games like SS
>>333863995
>Leaked footage
WHAT WHERE
>>333864832
Skyward sword wasn't bad though? and Wind Waker is probly my favorite game of all time.
>>333865441
How old are you, and what was your first Zelda
>>333836706
>Let's be honest: it isn't touching Witcher 3, let alone Dark Souls or Skyrim.
Good. It doesn't have to. As long as it feels like an adventure and not a list of chores like Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword, then it's already accomplished what it has to as a Zelda game.
>>333865201
The fact that we know so little is a bad sign. Our last video was what, 2014? With off screen footage? It was meant to come out last year and we didn't even see any more of it. It's clearly in dev hell.
>>333865535
33 and the original Zelda
>>333843217
>>333841819
What game is this? Im a noob.
>>333865909
The Elder Scrolls VI: Akavir
>>333864893
No, really. So? He wasn't the one that filled Skyward Sword with ridiculous pacing issues. That was almost certainly Fubiyashi's doing, and the writing was kind of on the wall with that one, since Fubiyashi had previously directed Minish Cap, which also suffers from some pretty nasty pacing issues and kind of awkward world design, which likely led Fubiyashi to head in a somewhat opposing direction and make a more harshly linear game.
Aonuma's a producer and supervisor. He calls some shots, but he's not the one coming up with the ideas. The last real bit of input I heard from him was that he wanted ALBW to have as little forced handholding as possible, and that's exactly how the game turned out, so I'm not really sure why there's an issue with him.
>>333865441
I didn't say it was. I liked Skyward Sword a fair bit myself, though it's definitely better if you use a few cheats to improve the general speed of the game.
>people getting ass pained over the idea of being able to make a female Link
while traditionally male, the spirit of the hero doesn't have to be restricted to a male protagonist. Hell they aren't even direct blood of the original hero in most games. The tradition about males of age in wind waker is just tradition and its left to be a flexable option that Zelda's team seems to have been musing for a while now.
Hell potientally we could have an all goron cast and it could still be worked into lore, though autists would commit ritual suicide if the series changes formula.
>>333866271
>That whole comic
>>333865623
I doubt it's in development hell so much as it is they were getting ready to ship and then decided "oh god no this isn't really close enough to done at all."
As for why they've revealed so little, I think that may have to do with letting people explore and experience the game for themselves, which is a decision I'd personally support.
>>333866254
I know you didn't, just mentioning since you were replying on the topic and I know this is a bait thread but Dark Souls doesn't even belong in a conversation about GREAT open world games
> Let's be honest: it isn't touching Witcher 3, let alone Dark Souls or Skyrim.
It honestly doesn't need to be, if they stop pussy footing around and actually make the puzzles difficult and intricate while utilizing all your tools it would fill a niche the other games couldn't touch.
No one plays the witcher/souls/elder scrolls games for puzzle solving they play it for action and lore.
Meanwhile Zelda fans are already adept to the puzzle aspect of their games so Nintendo should crank that shit up to 11 and have at it.
>>333836706
>it isn't touching Witcher 3, let alone Dark Souls or Skyrim.
Good thing despite claims of wanting an open world Zelda isn't even a similar type of game.
>>333836706
I don't know for Skyrim, but but if I agree Dark Souls is great, Witcher 3 is a piece of crap.
There's no way this Zelda ends as bad as this.
>>333866917
>Meanwhile Zelda fans are already adept to the puzzle aspect of their games so Nintendo should crank that shit up to 11 and have at it.
This.
Enough with the 12 year old tier puzzles. Most of the Zelda fans that grew up with the game are now capable of more complex thinking than "this button needs to be held down and there is a pushable block in the room, shit I'm stumped."
I'm really starting to wonder if they are doing it on purpose or if they are just incapable of making a challenging puzzle.
>Won't touch this.
What do you mean, quality-wise?
Zelda is going to knock it out of the park. Those games aren't even in the league of a nonlinear Zelda game like Zelda 1, ALttP, and OOT.
If they've really taken off the gloves and are going back to that kind of design, and with permanent choices that affect the overworld; then this game is going to be BIG.
I'm talking New Super Mario Bros. Wii big. Or did you forget all the threads back in 2009 that thought it would flop because BLOPS had just set the new "world record."
Sales-wise? See above.
Hyrule Warriors is a new IP and has sold already like how much, 3 million? You're not gonna tell me a bonafide console Zelda without a peripheral requirement like Skyward Sword cannot sell TWICE that.
Remember, Ocarina of Time and The Wind Waker both ran out of preorders back in their day, breaking world records. And they were on a console that didn't win their gen.
>>333868749
>Hyrule Warriors is a new IP and has sold already like how much, 3 million?
this is b8
>>333847510
A very popular one.
>>333861815
But Zelda is only similar to Skyrim on the most shallowest level. They're completely different games that aim to do different things otherwise. Zelda was NEVER a role-playing game aside from Zelda 2, before anyone wants to correct me just to look cool.
You all really need to shut the fuck up with this desperate Aonuma boogeyman. He's the one guy who actually listened to nearly every criticism the fanbase directed at the series and continually strived to improve accordingly. Wind Waker's dungeons were shit? He made them better in Twilight Princess. Wind Waker's sailing was too slow? He told the development team to fix that for the HD version. The story progression of most games is too linear? He made his first attempt at canning that altogether in Link Between Worlds.
What the fuck did Fujibayashi do for the series besides introducing some of the worst handholding ever and the worst overworld ever? N-O-T-H-I-N-G.
Zelda U could be the best 3D entry of all-time and you enormously pedantic faggots would still nitpick a multitude of things to complain about.
>>333872742
Hey Aonuma. :^)nah I'm just fucking with you
>>333836706
This is the worst they've ever marketed a Zelda game
I know long-time fanscasualswho still know literally nothing about this game, Hell even I can count the main things I know on one hand
>Xboxhueg world
>horse dodges trees
>Link at his most twink
>sailcloth returning for some reason
>Matrix bow
And this is supposedly happening this year
We knew quite a bit about Skyward Sword before its release, and we were definitely shown more of OoT and TP before they were released, Wind Waker even had a demo before it came out. Why is everything about Zelda U a secret? We're a third into the release year and we know N O T H I N G.
>>333873109
expect a big blowout at e3
>>333836706
It's been three years and we still don't know shit about it.
>>333872742
Aonuma clearly has some flawed ways of approaching Zelda's game design.
Like for one thing, being utterly afraid to make any entry actually difficult again until ALBW and to some degree, SS.
Not to mention making every Zelda game based around gimmicks that are arguably underutilized, like the wolf form in TP (whatever happened to the shit that they promised, like being able to talk to other animals, which you only end up doing like twice in that game?), flying in SS, etc.
>>333873109
>This is the worst they've ever marketed a Zelda game
Because they haven't actually started, Anon. They delayed the game, so they delayed the marketing.
>>333873624
Might as well roll out my E3 predictions real quickZelda U's birthday blowout, NX, Smash 4 definitive edition or Smash 5 launch title on NX,Mother 3 with a trailer that confirms at least one huge thing censoredand a bunch of other things nobody wanted as usual.
>unironically comparing fucking Zelda to Witcher, Dark Souls, or TES
Is this some new meme that I'm not privy to?
>>333873936
Every director has "flawed" ways of approaching the game design for a particular series, especially if the first title you played and have fond memories of wasn't replicated in exactly the same ways you wish it was. People thought Miyazaki was literally god tier until Blunderborne.
What separates Aonuma from other post-Miyamoto directors in Zelda, namely Fujishit, is that at least Aonuma actually fucking tries to listen to his whiny fanbase. That might be his greatest flaw, if anything.
It doesn't matter.
If it's good, it'll get shit on.
If it's bad, it'll get shit on.
If it has bad reviews, it'll get shit on.
If it has good reviews, they were paid, and it will be shit on.
And anyone who talks about the game is either a shitposter or a viral marketer.
>>333874505
That's every game.
>>333874757
Yes. Yes it is.
I wish someone could convince Nintendo to turn down the bloom.
It looks like shit.
>>333837163
In the course of my career as a vidcon specialist (my own coinage, spend it wisely), I have never seen such blatant and frankly, sickening ignorance as that exhibited by the "people" (if, in fact, they are homo sapiens at all, as their intelligence implies elsewise) that claim that Zelda is not an RPG. There is nothing that Shigeru "Shiggy" Miyamoto could possibly do to make the vidcon any more of an RPG as it meets every single criterion for being one, particularly that it takes place in an imaginary realm with a fantastical beastiary, the damsel/villain ratio is at or above standards, and that the core emphasis of the gameplay is on bedazzling all foes with impeccable swords and sorcery. Furthermore, this line of thought can be extended to all vidcons in which the player controls a character (hence, roleplaying), though I cringe slightly at the thought of such mundane vidcons as Madden being RPGs, as they do not even include exotic weaponry such as the tonfa.
>>333874851
Bloom is the quintessential cheap shit effect to cover up for poor graphics. This is not just Nintendo, it's every dev, same goes for motion blur.
>>333836706
>Let's be honest: it isn't touching Witcher 3, let alone Dark Souls or Skyrim.
Well, no shit it isn't, Sherlock.
>>333875067
Some people actually think [OLD GOOK SERIES] is automatically better than [RELATIVELY NEW IP] because of muh grorious past.
Think of Resident Evil: there's still people that think it's not a shit-tier shooter like any other dudebro game of the past decade, only because it used to be good.
>>333875279
>shit-tier shooter
Except it's literally the equivalent of capekino that only casual plebs hate since they can't git gud.
>>333841819
>Conquest
>difficult
Typical toddler. Probably cried about "muh shitposters" anytime someone criticized the localization as well.
>>333875793
t. assmad tellius fag
Everyone that actually played it says otherwise.
It will be better than all three of them in some ways and far worse in others, like the basic gameplay will be way better than Witcher 3 but it won't compare graphically or in terms of writing and world building. The combat will be worse than DS but there will be a lot more to do than in a Souls game and it'll be better than Shitrim because it won't be a giant pile of dogshit. Seriously Skyrim fans and every Bethesda fan in general is a shit-eating retard who need to die.
>>333875990
>t.
This training wheels meme is great because it lets you know who's too scared to actually browse 4chan
>>333848495
SS is a great 25-hour Zelda trapped in a bloated 50+ hour Zelda, and it's still better than TP.
Phantom Hourglass is really good other than the stupid fucking temple. I love the touchscreen controls in both of the DS Zelda games.
>>333876220
>getting mad about a letter and a punctuation
wew lad
what an autist
>>333836706
If you mean sales-wise, I agree. But that's mainly because Nintendo and Aonuma's development team have done very, very little to market and advertise the game, despite its release date supposedly being sometime this year.
But Nintendo has always had these problems, frankly. They thought they could rely on word-of-mouth for their Wii U sales when it first came to store shelves and it backfired horribly, whereas the marketing itself didn't come until it was already too late.
Shame really, because I do have a pretty big hunch that Zelda U will turn out to be utterly fantastic.
>>333876404
Reddit spacing, tumblr capitilzation and outdated [s4s] memes, tourist status confirmed like always lmao
>>333876685
It could turn out to be utter trash and you'd still praise it.
Anyone who isn't a rabid fanboy has already stopped caring about nintendo. wake up friend, there are still fun games for you to play.
>>333876713
>Reddit spacing, tumblr capitilzation
you would be the expert on the subject
now i'm doing it on purpose to trigger your autism
chaika on the front page :^)
>>333848495
Phantom Hourglass is just fine, and some of the dungeons in it are really good. Some strong boss fights, too.
People shit on PH and ST a whole lot and I feel like most of them either haven't played those games or got needlessly stuck on the amount of padding present in both of them and refused to enjoy the games past that. ST may well be the only game in the series with mechanical puzzles that actually present some sort of a challenge, but most people don't know that because they can't be bothered to play it.
>>333876838
I can play Nintendo games and also play other games. Shocking concept, I know.
It'll sell because it's Zelda.
>>333876838
>Anyone who likes what I don't like is a rabid fanboy
What a faggotron.
>>333877070
I feel bad for quitting PH during one of the central dungeon sections and never going back, I loved pretty much everything else about it, other than having to move with the stylus.
Just finished pic related. There is still hope, family. A bit short and easy but otherwise excellent. If they apply the design mentality of this game onto zelda wii u, we're in for a fucking ride. No hand holding, open world, multiple ways to approach puzzles, game's gimmick actually reshapes the way you think and play. That ending also gave me feels. I want it to be good, guys!
>>333877586
How did you feel about the stamina bar?
>>333877070
I wasn't a huge fan of PH because the Ocean Temple was annoying and the soundtrack was the worst in the series, despite this game being a sequel to WW which easily had a god tier soundtrack IMO.
I agree wholeheartedly in regards to ST though. Truly an underrated title, and arguably one of the best 2D games in the series.
>>333874960
>it's stale pasta
Dammit.
>>333877813
Not him but the stamina bar at least covers the issue of rolling everywhere.
>>333836706
I don't care if it fails financially, I just want it to be fun because it's probably the last thing I'll have ever bought a Nintendo console for.
>>333879037
I think he meant a link to the past
And I'd say Skyward Sword's stamina meter is one of the worst parts of that game, because your default speed is too slow to feel remotely good and your running speed only lasts so long, TPHD has the prefect speeds for Link in all of his actions, maybe speed up climbing even more, but the rest is perfect.
>>333879542
>because your default speed is too slow
Not really. You just get used to going faster when you sprint.
It's why I basically sidejump my way through OoT now. Running is just too damn slow now.
>>333877813
I actually like LBW's magic bar use. It's a lot better than SS's.
>>333879763
>he doesn't bomb-slide everywhere
>>333836706
Well thankful we don't live in a world where you can only play 3 exploration focused fantasy games and then must stop forever, so I will play Zelda U as well.
>>333836706
>Witcher 3, let alone Dark Souls or Skyrim.
Zelda doesn't even appeal to the same audience as these games it'll do just as well as all previous Zelda's or slightly better.
>>333879763
OoT's also too slow
Majora gives you too many options to go fast, making epona useless. Hell Bunny Hood is also useless if you play the cards right.
Wind Waker could stand to be a bit faster but is basically fine
Vanilla TP had some animations that were longer than needed
I want Zelda U to come out. Have the first 90 minutes be opening cinematics and tutorials. Then as soon as you seem to start the adventure, the game stops and then starts playing a 50 hour CDi Youtube poop.
And that's the game, it's canon.
>>333838954
CoD, Assassins Creed, adn some other, yearly continued franchises....
>>333864343
So, for what is that selfie necesarry?
>>333880180
Every Skyrim and Witcher 3 fanboy I know of is also a fan of Zelda.
For Dark Souls, you're mostly right, with the exception being 2D Zelda hipsters who keep comparing it to Zelda 2 like it was the greatest fucking thing since sliced bread. Dark Souls fans in general are mostly bandwagoners.
>>333881156
He had switched his and his sisters brains while sleeping and was showing off his new body. Geez have you ever seen "Hard Knockers"?
Fun series, Doyers fans. It's a shame about that bobbled double play in game 3. See you guys later this week!
>>333882229
Fuck, wrong tab
Does Aonuma still have a job?
Zelda cannot be allowed to be good.
>>333840091
This doesn't mean quality and high budget stopped being necessary to succeed. These consoles had other problems.
