>killed sixteen beautiful majestic creatures just to save some random girl
what an asshole
>>333836630
Bringsup a good question, would you kill 16 extremely endangered animals to save someone you loved?
>>333836968
Seriously who wouldn't?
>>333836968
what is love?
Would you kill 16 dogs to save one person?
>>333837027
BABY DON'T HURT ME!
>>333837116
I'd kill 20
>>333837116
i'd kill a person to save 16 dogs
>>333836968
Depends. If it was just carnal desire, then fuck it.
One thing I liked about SoTC's story is that it never gave any leeway for you to think your actions were for good - you were always doing something selfish, and - by the end - evil.
>>333837116
I'd kill 16 people to save one dog.
>>333837191
it's not selfish if you do it for someone you love because you're not doing it for youself but for the one you love and love isn't carnal desire
>>333836630
I think the really odd thing about SotC is Dormin actually makes good on his promise and does resurrect the girl.
Still better writing than most stuff released today.
>>333837276
Are you the old lady from Dead Rising 1?
>>333837357
But the whole reason you're doing it is, that losing that loved one makes you feel bad.
>>333837357
He only does this because he wants to be with her again. Thus, selfish. We don't know why Mono died, if she was killed or voluntarily sacrificed herself. If she sacrificed herself, would she even want to be revived?
>>333837357
Thats straight up autistic
>>333836630
The fucker in the canyon was a total faggot and had it coming.
>>333837358
What if it was a cycle and she sets out to resurrect him
Saving someone =/= resurrecting someone
Certainly not worth your own life in the process
>>333837358
He also tells him right off the bat that he'll have to pay a heavy price for it.
>>333836968
Fuck yes I would. I don't give a shit about the yellow spotted bengal tiger, that asshole can fuck off and die.
>>333837551
no it isn't. the reason you're doing it is because your loved one lost her life when she shouldn't have and you want her to live and be happy. the main reason you feel bad is because she lost her life not because you lost her even though it's a part of the reason too.
>>333837675
i haven't played the game but is it explained that he just wants to be with her again?
Since when is acting selfish a bad thing? Many of humanity's accomplishments and achievements were made thanks to selfishness.
>>333837403
No, just vegan
>>333838063
>he hasn't played the game
Get the fuck out of this thread.
>>333838063
>i haven't played the game but is it explained that he just wants to be with her again?
though even if it was said like that it would still mean he wants her to be happy and alive for her not for himself
>>333836968
Holy shit my brain. Yes definitely.
>>333838127
Oh it shows!
>>333837181
same
>>333836968
Fuck no, sixteen lives are worth more than a single one.
>>333836968
I probably would.
>>333838331
>moving statues
>living equivalent to humans
Do you eat meat?
>>333838331
Nobody has ever loved you, right?
>>333836630
They were evil though and they had it coming. Sons of bitches walking all over the place doing nothing all day. Thinking about sucking each other off but too lazy and too shy to walk 100 monster feet over to its faggot monster crush.
They had it comin.
>>333838063
>>333838227
Thus, ultimately selfless.
>>333838063
It's not even implied anywhere in the game that the protagonist and the girl have any history or know each other.
>>333838331
A Dog's life isn't equal to a human life.
Where do you draw the line?
>>333838331
Man if you ever truly love someone and they love you back, you'd do so damn much for them it's not even funny.
>>333838534
Did you skip the opening scene?
>>333838063
>I haven't played the game
Why are you even talking about it then? Can you die?
>>333837276
My doggo
>>333836630
Is there any evidence that the colossi are sentient, and not just magic, walking, self-defending seals for Dormin parts?
>>333836968
Without hesitation.
>>333836968
Nah, every time a girls told me they love me they ended up hating me with a passion and it hurts man, same thing would end up happening and then there'd be no animal bros to chill with, I wouldn't kill for someone I love unless they were being attacked by said thing
>>333838227
What about killing 16 giants to save somebody he doesn't even know. What if by killing the giants he would save somebody in a foreign country he doesn't know or will never meet. Would you do that? Or does it matter that he's in love with the girl. If it's ultimately selfless and he's not doing it for his own sake, shouldn't he be just as willing to save some 86 year old man in China.
>>333838552
That depends entirely on the dog and the human. A trained rescue dog is worth more than a Ted Bundy or David Berkowitz.
A trained cat is worth more than either one, though.
>>333838485
>>333838597
Man you're retarded. Love is such a complex and difficult thing. You'd honestly be a retard if you did such drastic things for something that isn't even consistent. I've felt love or so I thought but I just found it was merely infatuation.
Killing anyone or doing anything drastic for love is literally autism. Get a grip.
>>333836630
>beautiful majestic creates
They're a bunch of goofy looking rock monster with grass growing on them.
>>333836968
You forgot the part where killing said 16 extremely endangered animals releases an ancient evil from its prison
>>333838552
Except it literally is, I love animals specifically mammals I guess more than I love humans, so I draw the line at mammals
Pussy power is real.
>>333837894
I know but the fact that he even does it at all is kind of odd, considering he's essentially a dark god and tricks Wander from the get-go.
THE POWER OF LOVE A FORCE FROM ABOVE!
>>333838852
Cute! Looks just like my cat.
>>333838063
>i haven't played the game
Then shut the fuck up
>>333838852
Dogs>cats
Cats are just walking houseplants.
>>333838821
Love itself is selfless and saving a person because you love her is selfless because you ultimately do it for the one you love.
>>333838897
>doing anything drastic for love is literally autism
that's the opposite of autism
>>333838552
Life is life nigga, sixteen deaths mean sixteen mournings. You can't end sixteen lives for your own selfish desire.
>>333839198
Love isn't a selfish desire.
>>333838552
A dogs life is pretty close to a human life. There's a bunch of people I'd kill to save my dog that will die in 8 years anyways.
>>333839270
It is though: "I'm killing sixteen creatures for what I want, for benefit, for someone who loves me."
What's the difference between a hit man and a murderous lover?
>>333839152
>Wanting your best friend to be a tool
Dogfags are cruel.
Call me a sociopath, autistic or an edgy retard. But I honestly don't understand "love". Even when it came down to my family and friends I can't seem share that affection back. It's not like I go out of the way to be a dick, but during therapy I was asked if I would sacrifice my mom to save 100 random strangers and I said yes. I just have no sense of what affection is, to me its just a chemical in your brain and I seem to be missing it.
>>333837358
>implying he doesn't just filter his "female voice" into her and live on through this cute teenage girl's corpse
>>333839367
He does it for the one he loves and not for his own benefit. It doesn't matter if he is the one who wants it because he does it for the one he loves which means it's not selfish.
>>333839407
>during therapy
I think you're answering your own question man.
>>333839368
>Wanting your best friend to be a NEET who leeches off you and doesn't even like you
That's kinda sad
>>333839527
And? Again, a hit man also kills for another person. Love can't redeem a sin like murder.
>>333839368
>A tool
I live in the suburbs, my dog is my bro. Just because I don't want a potplant with legs doesn't mean I'm cruel. Besides, dogs love being tools, sheep herding dogs/hunting dogs are happy as fuck when they're working.
>>333838598
Watched it again, nowhere does he say anything about knowing her or having anything to do with her except that she was sacrificed and wants to raise her.
Rules of nature, faggot. They deserved to die.
>>333839571
I suppose you've never encountered an affectionate cat. My cat loves meeting new people and always chills in my lap / bed when i want him to be around, and takes his leave when i don't.
Dogs are high maintenance and i've never met a dog you can just relax with and stroke like a cat.
>>333839407
You're literally a psychopath.
An actual one, not a Hollywood one. An actual one means you are chemically incapable of empathy. (Most psychopaths lead perfectly normal lives)
>>333838085
Name ONE
>>333839690
>Besides, dogs love being tools,
But you have to realise that they like it because we've bred it into them. You wouldn't look at a Genejack the same way.
>>333839607
hitman kills another person to gain benefit for himself a murderous lover does it to save her loved one so it's selfless. i didn't say it isn't a sin to murder but it's a murder for selfless reason.
>>333839951
Pyramids
>>333839407
Maybe you've just never gotten close enough to someone to love them anon
I dislike both of my parents and so I'd make the same choice you would, their "love" toward me is none existent in their actions and yet they say it all the time, neither of them ever spent time with me as a child and hardly interact with me even now
Am 19, I don't think I know what love is yet, the girls I've been with, I've wanted to protect and would probably sacrifice myself to save them at the time but that might just be because I don't really care if I die
>>333840001
Fair enough. Still, murder is unforgivable, even for love.
>>333836968
Bringsup a good question, would you kill 16 extremely endangered animals to whiteknight a random female on the internet?
>>333839921
You poor bastard. You don't even know that your cat doesn't even love you.
>>333836630
A bunch of nonsensical gibberish
>>333839994
>we've bred it into them
So? I like fucking because it's bred into me, doesn't make me like it any less.
>>333839994
Not really breh, we've only domesticated them because they were pack animals in the first place.
>>333839951
Capitalism and drive for success and wealth is all considered pretty selfish and yet is behind many of the biggest accomplishments. A tycoon might've done it all for the money, bitches and bling but has also created employment and progress.
>>333836968
If you love something, let it go.
I honestly dont think I even have the courage to fight gigantic beasts for my waifu. Playing through the game, the whole thing just felt wrong.
>>333840098
people who love someone are ready to commit unforgivable things to save their loved one just wanted to say this
>>333839943
>sacrificing your mom for 100 strangers makes you a psychopath
My mom is a shitbag, at least one of those 100 people is a good person, and that makes it worth it
>>333837153
>>>9gag
>>333839163
...so you can love them again?
That's stupid, you're stupid
>>333840392
No. So they can be happy and alive.
>>333840149
Hes always by my side when i'm sick, when i call and waits for me on my porch when i come home. My dogs, by comparison, i've always felt i'm a means to their end in terms of exercising / playing with them.
Unless you measure 'love' as energy and jumping up and down yipping, in which case you might suffer from ADHD
>>333836968
No, murder is wrong no matter the reason. Killing innocents is a betrayal to humanity and your own soul.
>>333840506
Don't worry, Anon. If you forget about all your cat, I'll show you what it means to truly be loved.
>>333839163
>Love itself is selfless
so if I am in love with someone and stalk that person to the end of the earth because of that love. I am selfless?
>>333839407
You are a psycho/sociopath
>>333840065
My parents have done everything in their power to make me and my brothers happy. When I told her that during the session she started crying all I could do was stare at her with a disappointed frown.
Maybe I am a psychopath. I have no idea.
>>333840473
The sixteen creatures can't be happy or alive ever again though.
>>333836968
The chances of the endangered species surviving is pretty low if they're already endangered anyway, so yeah.
>>333838897
>I've felt love or so I thought but I just found it was merely infatuation.
So you didn't feel love is what you just said. Sorry man, but real love isn't something that can just go away. I'm talking about real, pure love here, that stuff exists and I know it. That's the kinda love that you would go through hells worth of trouble for.
>>333840342
>sacrificing your mom for 100 strangers makes you a psychopath
Being unable to form emotional connections with people or empathise makes you a psychopath.
>My mom is a shitbag, at least one of those 100 people is a good person, and that makes it worth it
See? That's a logical and utilitarian reasoning, utterly ignoring any emotional connection you have with your mother, thus just proving my point.
>>333840473
So you can be happy?
>>333840506
This. My cat treats everyone in the house nice, but he's only obedient towards me. And I'm the only person whose feet he like to throw himself on.
I'm like his dad or something,
>>333840506
You do realize there are different forms of love right? A cats love is conditional, a humans is unconditional if they truly love you.
>>333840767
And your emotions are worth sacrificing lives for? You need to get over yourself, the families of those 100 strangers loved them too.
>Animal life is worth more than a human life
if you agree with this, you're most likely a wizard or a shut-in sociopath
>>333840767
>at least one of those 100 people is a good person
the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
>>333840935
This
>>333840582
what I meant by that is when you do things to make the one you love feel good you do those things for her. when you stalk someone just to see her you don't do it for her. when you revive someone from death you do it for her so she can be alive.
>>333840845
No. So they can be happy.
>>333840935
Or a vegan.
>>333840935
>a human life is worth more than a COLOSSUS life
Never ever m8
>>333836630
>Not killing all the gods and whatever creature you run into to save your waifu
>>333841045
I don't see how their happiness outweighs the happiness of sixteen creatures.
>>333841047
Militant vegans are scum and shouldn't be taken seriously. At least wizards and sociopaths have something actually wrong with them.
>>333840981
Nigger you replied to yourself
>>333840901
Psychopath isn't an inherently bad thing. But to think about it from a purely utilitarian point of view rather than an emotional one is a very psychopathic thing to do.
>>333841126
they're just some ancient dumb living statues that don't do anything, they might as well be giant cats.
>>333841203
Again, my point is that your emotions are worth no more than other's emotions. Sacrificing a hundred innocents is a solipsistic action.
>>333840767
You're the fucking psycho here bud, killing 100 people who have families, loves ones, and dreams of their own is far worse
But you'd rather save mommy because you love her too much, she's already lived her life and accomplished the evolutionary goal of procreation
Those 100 people could be kids who haven't even had a chance to live yet
>>333841139
Would you kill yourself to save 16 dogs?
>>333841045
So you can be happy?
you just want them to be happy so you can be happy
>>333840901
>And your emotions are worth sacrificing lives for? You need to get over yourself, the families of those 100 strangers loved them too.
There is no right or wrong answer, but the reasoning used in the post in indicative of psychopathy.
The reasoning was "it's statistically likely that at least one of these people is a better person than my mother and thus more worth saving", not "these 100 families will suffer grief as much as I will".
>>333841315
Why not? Lives are lives.
>>333841139
It doesn't matter because it's still selfless because you didn't do it for yourself but for the one you love.
>>333841330
No I don't. I want them to be happy so they can be happy.
>>333841281
Yes, I can see why you would say that, and that makes you a psychopath. I don't know why you're trying to debate me logically about this, if you think about choices like "I would sacrifice my mom" in an objective and logical way, that is a trait of a psychopath. It's not an insult, it's an actual condition. Look it up.
>>333836630
>killed
You know nothing.
>>333841359
Would you kill one dog to save yourself? What about an insect?
>>333841315
There are probably sixteen dogs that just got euthanized at animals shelters across the United States so no. That's not even including the stray animals that die cold and alone everyday.
>>333841315
Not him, but I would
>>333837116
Would you kill 20 million puppies for 20 million dollars.
>>333836968
I would kill 16 extremely endangered animals TO kill someone I loved.
>>333841313
>You're the fucking psycho here bud, killing 100 people who have families, loves ones, and dreams of their own is far worse
You don't know what psychopath means, bud.
Spoiler: it has nothing to do with killing, regardless of what TV and movies told you.
>>333841281
Those emotions mean you do it for the other person not for your emotions.
>>333841448
Yes, it's still one life.
>>333841482
Do I have to do it personally or does it just happen in the existential sense.
>>333841448
vampires pls go
I always did and still think that feeling sorry for colossi is akin to feeling sorry for big daddies: you are either a child or an autist.
>>333841545
So you think that your life is literally worth that of an insect's? You've never killed a bug in your life?
>>333841545
>hold an ant in my hand
>tell you I will squish it if you don't kill yourself
>you do
Absolute mad man hahaha
>>333841543
It's no more moral, you're still sacrificing a hundred innocents. No innocent person is worth more than other.
>>333839407
I think that's literally the definition of a sociopath.
>>333838852
FBI lmao
>>333836630
>>333837358
>>333837894
>>333839054
The only source we have about Dormin being a "dark god" was that there were some people who were pissed at him and that stuff involving him looks somewhat "dark"
The colossi were hardly ceatures in their own right. They were all "living" prisons for fragments of Dormin's power.
Dormin is just a powerful being. He's tired of being sealed away in a temple, his power scattered across a serene landscape. Maybe he lived just a little too carelessly, and that's why he was sealed. Maybe he has a right to be pissed enough to try and kill the soldiers that attack him as soon as he wakes up.
He TOLD Wander that getting his help to revive deadgirl would be a massive undertaking with a terrible price. Who's to say he even knew exactly what borrowing wander's body as a vessel for his power would do to wander? He just assumed it would suck for Wander.
tl;dr, Dormin and Wander did nothing wrong.
>>333836968
if they were aggressive towards me on approach, yes
>>333840767
>Everyone has a 10/10 loving and caring mom
>Being a retarded armchair "psychologist"
>Trying to diagnose anonymous posters as psychopaths through the internet
Dormin
>never lies to you
>tells you granting your wish will come at a great sacrifice
>explains the details
>powerful enough to do what should be impossible
>revives your waifu when you hold up your end of the deal
Human fags
>killed your waifu because muh sacrifice or some bullshit
>created artificial beings that only exist to seal Dormin
>follow you to the end of the world to fuck you up
>destroy the only bridge linking these lands to the rest of the world
>people think Dormin is the bad guy
>>333841545
A spider is equal to a human life? Give me a fucking break you colossal idiot.
>>333839407
You are a sociopath though, it's nothing bad. You just use the reasonable side of the brain instead of the emotional one.
>>333840935
Humans are animals.
>>333841687
A person who loves someone is ready to do amoral things to save someone they love.
>>333841601
DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY BREADS YOU'VE EATEN!?
>>333838085
The American Revolutiom
>>333841895
wry wry
>>333836630
There's a lot up in the air about the game. I always thought of them as holy weapons, or guardians of some sort. Not as natural, peaceful creatures.
>>333841867
I'm not talking about whether someone would do it or not, just saying it's morally wrong.
>you think killing 16 creatures to save one human life is wrong
>you continue eating meat and killing far more creatures because you think it's tasty
explain this moralfags
>>333841867
I mean immoral.
>>333841813
Don't split hairs you fag, we all know what he meant.
>>333841793
Not him but-
>implying it isn't
You're telling me a neet neckbeard's life is worth a damn?
>>333841482
I'd do it for free.
>Moralfags believe they can stop a cycle of suffering perpetuated by natural human death drive and the very natural need to occasionally be selfish
>>333841974
>Implying I don't love spinach
>the colossi are just peaceful creatures who mean no harm
>the first one is holding a fucking mace
yeah okay
>>333842000
They still have far more potential, and other people will be saddened much more when they die. Cost of them dying is much higher than a spider's. On the other hand, the NEET is a drain on resources
>>333842000
But now you're moving the goalposts and changing the rules. We're talking about a human life without knowledge of its status or place in the world. And yes, even faggots like you describe deserve more of a chance than a fucking insect that will die in 3-5 days.
>>333841774
Yup Dormin was the good guy all along. Given the chance I'd free him without even getting anything back.
>>333841315
The girl was already dead, I don't know how you guys fuck up simple analogies like this. The proper choice would be "Would you stay dead to save 16 dogs?"
>>333842130
>tfw love spinach
>but am prone to oxalate kidney stones
Just fuck my ureters up, ston
>>333839054
>tricks Wander from the get-go.
>tricks
He doesn't bullshit Wander
>>333839054
But he isn't tricked. Dormin tells him he'll pay a terrible price. It's more like he's vague about what exactly happens.
>>333842270
The discussion moved past SotC ages ago
>>333836968
Which one brings more suffering to the world? Can the animals be killed in a painless way? Will someone miss them as much as I would miss someone I loved?
>>333841385
Selfless implies that you don't stand to benefit in any way from an act you're committing. True selflessness probably doesn't exist but there are varying degrees of selflessness. Your problem is that you're linking a non-existent virtue to a clearly mildly selfish action. Think about what the word selfish implies just by its simple word structure, your agenda is all over the desire to "save the one you love" even when it's at the cost of the "life and happiness" of 16 colossi, whom someone else may or may not love or whatever. You should recognize that yes, given the two options you are indeed acting by the more selfish path rather than the one which would probably result in objectively more overall "life and happiness".
>>333842296
I feel ya bruv, I'm axolotling menthol gravel from my udders every damn time I eat spinach. It's not fair.
>>333839407
>therapy
literal cuck lmao
>>333838504
Wander wasn't selfish. His only motivation was to restore Mono to life, not to be with her. There's a whole faq filled to the brim with speculation on why he did what he did. One thing that is evident in the game itself, is that Wander had no explicit goal of being with Mono. He just wanted to bring her back to life for what he felt was an unjust death, hence he broke all the rules of his homeland, ventured to the forbidden land, and made a pact with Dormin. When Dormin states there would be consequences, Wander responds that he does not care.
I think Wander is really the tragic hero of the story, but a hero nonetheless. He is doing what he believes to be the right thing, like most heroic figures in fiction, for a selfless reason. And he is willing to sacrifice his life. The tragedy is that his disregard for the consequences to his actions leads to his ultimate downfall, and the origin of the horned curse. Wander would fit right in to a Greek tragedy.
>>333839407
You writing this means you're all those things you mentioned at the front of your post, nigga.
>>333836630
Hey man no one said the wanderer was right or whatever. People have claimed for years that he was in the wrong. But that doesn't mean the Wanderer didn't have reasons to do what he was doing. People need to get off their high horse sometimes you do shit that is wrong because you can rationalize it by the shit going on that is surrounding you.
>>333841793
Yes, spiders may be even more because they eat flies
Colossi are, in a way, works of art. They're majestic creatures, and killing them is a complete waste. It would be like blowing up the pyramids or something
>>333842460
The action isn't selfish in the slightest because I don't do it for myself.
>>333838945
Wander didn't know that
>>333842206
They knew motherfuckers like Wander would come around, dragging their dead lovers along and ready to fuck everyone's shit up
>>333842490
Would you kill 16 normies to save your beloved pet?
>>333841596
You have to stomp them with timberlands.
>>333836630
Shit, what Wanderer did was wrong but he was being the hero from his point of view.
To him, he was slaying sixteen evil creatures to bring back someone who didn't deserve to die. For all he knew the Colossi felt nothing and were loved by no-one.
It's a better guilt trip than Spec Ops made with a simpler concept.
>>333842801
They're living prisons for Dormin's power and located in a place people do not tread, much less go to enjoy something aesthetic. Your comparison makes no sense.
>>333842081
(You)
>>333842842
Then why choose it over the other option, what motivates your decision?
>my love for the girl
And whose love is that
>mine
And so how is that not in accordance with yourself, whether you feel you benefit or not
>>333842917
Art does not stop being art just because people don't appreciate it. Their purpose is irrelevant
>>333842081
Id stomp 200 million puppies for a (You)
>>333842889
No. I don't place the whole of my affection into a cat or dog. Only a retarded wizard or alonefag does that.
>>333838063
>>333838227
>>333838507
Everything you do in your life is, ultimately, for yourself, to benefit your person. You make other people happy because that makes YOU happy. You wanted to save the girl you loved so YOU could be happy to see her alive and well.
You wouldn't try make someone else happy if you could not feel happiness or satisfaction yourself, because all that remains after that is logical thought, and wasting your energy to help someone else would be undesirable if you didn't have feelings. You wouldn't care for them. You wouldn't do it, because it doesn't benefit you.
Selflessness is a myth. Regardless of how much mental gymnastics you try to make or how many facades you try to disguise it as.
The girl becomes the dark queen from ico and tries to ressurect wander by collecting all the cursed horned boys.
>>333836630
She wasn't some random girl though.
>>333838504
>that amount of projecting
>>333843054
If there's no one to call it art or place a brand of aesthetics on it, it can't be art my hipster friend.
>>333843141
So if everyone called this post art, would it be art?
>>333837153
fuck off tumblr
>do it
>she breaks up with you 6 months later
>>333841482
Why would anyone? Dogs are worth a lot more than a dollar, just sell them to people.
>>333836968
Yes.
>>333843180
You're saying something you would never see in the universe of SOTC is art when most likely you wouldn't even know it exists as a pleb.
>>333843079
Crawling in my edge.
>>333843141
>I get to define what is art and what is not
Even if that was the case, Wander was there. He witnessed their beauty, and that's enough
>>333837191
>Depends. If it was just carnal desire
Are you a fucking moron?
>>333836968
>to save someone you loved?
Someone you love, you inbred fucking nigger, he specified it as love, jesus how retarded can you get?
>>333843276
I'm not the other dude though. You said that if someone says something is art then it is, I replied.
>>333839407
>>333842081
I'd kill you for free
>>333843278
What's the matter faggot? Can't prove me wrong?
You know damn well I'm right.
>>333843298
They're not peaceful, beautiful creatures dude. The first one has a mace for christ's sake. They were made to protect a dark god's essence.
>>333843079
What about people that sacrifice themselves for others
>>333843278
Why does edge and idiocy have to be opposed here, what's the good option
>>333843243
You cant sell them. If you dont stomp them they will just starve to death and fuck up the ecosystem.
>>333843446
Then it's a mercy kill; I'd do it for free.
>>333843048
Doing things for the girl because of your love for the girl means you do it for the girl because that's what love is so it's selfless.
>>333843395
>Beauty == peaceful
I don't know how the fuck you reached that conclusion buddy, there's plenty of art pieces depicting scenes of war or conflict. I get the feeling that you don't know what art is
>>333843418
Self sacrifice isn't the same as selflessness if dying doesn't cancel out what your goal was
>>333836968
Yeah i'd definitely get fucked in the ass by the law after for sure.
Animals are fags anyway.
>>333843378
You don't have to be an edgelord, you pants shitting hyper baby.
>>333843418
A sense of valuing the lives of others beyond your own within that moment. You are going to do whichever makes YOU happier, regardless of its impacts on the future.
>>333836630
THE LAST GUARDIAN WHEN?!
Actually I don't even think it'll have the appeal of SOTC but whatever
>>333843328
I said it's a very debatable piece of human determination to apply the "art" label to something. And yes, just saying "it's art" doesn't mean it is. Just by nature of existing doesn't mean it is. The only reason we're having this argument at all is our brain developed an appreciation for aesthetics. Otherwise we'd just be drawing for no greater reason that we understood.
>>333843418
They die feeling happy knowing that they did something that made themselves happy. In this case, saving another person. Saving someone else would make you feel like you did something worthwhile, and that brings you the feeling of accomplishment.
>>333843590
(you)
I'm not the only one who quit at this one right
>>333836968
if those creates were actually the devil split into 16 different parts and when they all die he comes to life?
>>333843079
This is true, but I would not completely disregard the idea of selfless action. Even if it is fundamentally motivated by a hedonistic desire for "warm fuzzies," this moral instinct causes people to do things that are not in their own best interest, for the benefit of others. It's not absolutely selfless, but neither is it totally selfish.
>>333843570
I get the feeling you're using the position of "it's art" to deflect criticism because then no one can argue because you can hide behind "dude it's art lmao".
>>333843728
They weren't, they prevented the devil splits from getting together.
>>333843376
I think you'remore bark than bite
>>333843562
self less, not the self, the fact that you love the girl adds to the fact that it's a selfish act, love involves selfishness, the selfless act is impossible because it comes from your own motivations. To be clear I'm not criticizing your choice to save the girl but more your delusion that what you're doing is selfless
>>333838473
>moving statues
They were gods
>>333843752
I'd say that selfless actions serve to give not those "warm fuzzies" in the immediate hedonistic sense, but rather a higher-order sense of happiness that might not be immediately felt, but still self-serving.
>>333843754
You're free to disagree, but you're doing it for the wrong reasons, like no one appreciating them when the protagonist interacted with all 16 of them for example. I was just voicing my opinion, not all things are 100% factual and objective
>>333836630
>Idols are creatures
This is why you heathens hate christians. You think stupid dolls are actually alive
>>333843857
A truly selfless action doesn't exist because our brains are naturally wired to self-preserve.
>>333838808
Only reasonable anon itt
>>333843752
Morals are there to make you think you're doing the right thing, and by doing what you think is right, you feel satisfied with yourself. Going against your morals would make you feel bad because you consider it wrong, and nobody wants that.
>>333843692
>I just took phil 101 and it's blowing my mind
>p-prove me wrong, faggot!
Maybe I didn't want warm fuzzies or my dick sucked when I give the homeless guy five bucks. You could maybe argue that I don't like feeling bad about not sparing the homeless guy money, but that doesn't happen it. It is either I do or maybe I don't.
Explain that fuccbois. In this case one anecdotal example is enough to disprove your assertion. I don't feel shit. I know other people don't feel shit either. Maybe it's about something greater than your stupid self conflict over 'omg what do I do with my life I can't even justify helping people!'
>>333843942
And I think you're being a weasel to bolster your position because "it's art!" is vortex-like, bullshit argument that no one on either side wins, ever.
>>333841706
>>333841667
Never. I am a man of peace, I'm done killing. I wanna raise a family
>Murder 16 beasts to revive your gf
>'Die' at the end
>>333839152
All animals are just walking houseplants.
>>333843802
each collosus contain a piece of the devil dudes spirit. They are "idols" that aren't actually alive at all.
>>333843079
That's false. I do good things for others so they can be happy. I do good thing for my loved ones so they can be happy.
The feelings have the meaning of doing things for others in themselves. You feel you help the person because you want that person to be happy. Caring about someone isn't just "I feel happy if I help the person I care about." Nobody who cares about the other feels or thinks like that. The feeling has the meaning of doing it for the other in itself. That's what you truly feel and that's also what the feeling makes you think. When you care about someone you help that someone because you truly care about her.
>>333837116
Yeah, fuck dogs.
>>333844064
>It is either I do or maybe I don't.
>I don't feel shit. I know other people don't feel shit either.
And you have the audacity to call others edgy.
>>333843590
quality argument
>>333844110
You're too bent on picking up fights where there are none, and without valuable arguments to boot. If you wanted to start an argument that you can "win", you shouldn't have replied to a post that talked about something completely subjective
Going by your logic no one should ever call anything art because no one can prove it. Might as well call art a buzzword
>>333842889
Yes. I love my pet and I dont know those people. Fuck them.
>>333842889
I wouldn't kill anyone, much less my kin.
>>333836630
"creatures"
They are fucking not alive or sentient. They are the same as a disney theme ride animetronic. Except power by magic instead of machines.
>>333844303
Compared to the guy who hand waves altruism and wonders why the world is shit and thinks THEY'RE Mr. Logical for it.
Don't be such a dingus and please don't vote this year because you probably aren't helping.